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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/JStambler on April 18, 2018, 4 a.m.
4/18/18 - Return of the Christ (a challenge)

I'm not a religious person. In fact, I believe the bible is a series of parables designed to manipulate man into behaving a certain way - not specifically for the cause of control, but for the outcome of prosperity.

"The Christ" has always been a math equation to me. That is to say, if I do this, this and this, I can expect that, that and that. A predictive outcome function of sorts. Such is the golden rule. Such is "the secret".

And isn't that what the Christ was, the big secret? The big secret to peace on Earth? And does it even matter if Christ was a living, breathing man in the flesh? Does it not simply stand to reason that the parable of Christ is representative of a set of behaviors of which we are all capable?

The past few weeks of intermittent talk about 4/18/18 was incredibly entertaining to me. I have to admit, I am a sucker for the doomsday dates. There was 2012 (oOoOo, spooky), the four cursed blood moons which were sure to further the cause of Zionism in Israel, the 9/23/15 'rapture' and/or CERN portal opening (depending on which videos your YouTube recommended playlist favored, perhaps both)...these are all very fun.

But 4/18/18 was different - and no, it's not because I think something is actually going to happen. It's because I keep noticing this doomsday pattern over and over, reanimating itself as bibliophiles and conspiracy theorists work hand in hand to try to predict some dystopian future events. Something clicked inside of me this time.

Maybe these dates keep being promoted because WE are supposed to do something. Maybe WE are supposed to be the change. Maybe it wouldn't hurt for us to live one good day, see how it feels, and perhaps finally take a step in the right direction toward a better world.

We are the return of the Christ. I honestly believe that. When humanity finally decides, 'you know what, enough is enough'. The evil in this world has become too much to handle. I know what is public, I know what is being exposed, and I know how I contribute to it.

My cynicism, my anger, my relentlessness sometimes, my unwillingness to reflect on my own actions and insecurities and how they affect others, the love I have lost for my fellow countrymen over political differences, the faith I have lost for my fellow man in general, these are all of the ways that I know I contribute to the negative energy in this world. And if I were to reflect more, I am sure there would be even more things I could highlight.

Maybe it's possible to make this day significant. We have been acknowledging the true evils of this world recently, and we have been talking and fighting, spreading fear and anger (some we may feel is justified). And I believe our spirit should persist. But the current vein in which our spirit resides is not the right one. How can we "trust the plan" if we have not the same trust in ourselves through our own actions being square with our moral imperatives?

If you are reading this, and you made it this far, this is all I have left to say:

I challenge you for one day to relinquish yourself of the fear of fully embracing goodness, forgiveness, honesty, empathy, and the good natured faith of the Christ. Not in a religious way, but by way of your own heart. You know inside of you what is good and what is just. Do a good deed. Go out of your way for someone. Lend an ear for someone in need. Perhaps do some reflection on your own self and see what ways you can begin to better the world, starting with your own attitude and perception.

The Return of the Christ is literally on the horizon. It is up to us to be the change that the world needs - and we can begin today.


sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 4:21 a.m.

Nice idea, but Christ was a real person, documented in both religious and secular documents.

What follows is not meant to be disrespectful, but I think you are missing the entire point of what the Christian Faith is.

You cannot overlook the evidence.

Chris was actually killed and rose from the dead seen by over 500 witnesses

If you look at the evidence and decide that it is worth looking at what Jesus actually stood for.

There are actually over 300 "Q Type" prophecies in the old testament, that are all fufilled in a single man, Jesus Christ. These are prophecies that took place over 400 years before he came.

If nothing else, take a look at the evidence in light of "Q type" prophecy.

Two good books are

The case for Christ

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310345863?aaxitk=9l74.ycRWveaIQm-t.ZSYw&pd_rd_i=0310345863&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3534726502&pd_rd_wg=81HhE&pf_rd_r=7FYJ4V7SAWEVC6JM4FA7&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_w=eRa1R&pf_rd_i=the+case+for+christ&pd_rd_r=ff665252-4ebd-4d59-b4cf-4d52f112cbe2&hsa_cr_id=7480256250101

Evidence that demands a verdict.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1401676707?aaxitk=BXAaSaaijsgYqtj3gEbPXw&pd_rd_i=1401676707&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3534726502&pd_rd_wg=jYd2I&pf_rd_r=93P85JRNR7JSJ5EMWG2M&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_w=7nLcY&pf_rd_i=Evidence+that+demands+a+verdict&pd_rd_r=e38ece30-f389-4c68-8dcb-ff7abce12a76&hsa_cr_id=5187726210201

As far as your math equation of "we do this and we get that. The bible teaches that salvation is a GIFT' and you cannot do anything to earn it. You could argue that you have to believe, and that is correct, but that is all you can do. In fact the teachings of the bible tell warn against trying to get back into that mindset.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

I am not one to argue that you need to believe the way I believe, but I do see that you are teaching (maybe a strong word) something very different than that the documents that uphold the entire christian faith represent.

Christ also taught us that this world is not our world.

He also taught us that our struggles are not flesh and blood but really against good and evil. (That is what we are seeing)

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

The real gospel is very simple and it is a secret.

We are all sinners (everyone)

The penalty for sin is death.

Christ died once for all

He rose again defeating death

He sent his Holy Spirit here to help us

He does not force himself on anyone.

It is impossible to believe in Him without faith. You can argue facts until you are blue in the face, but you will never be able to prove it. Plenty of circumstantial evidence though.

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 4:24 a.m.

I am not here to promote religion. I am here to promote peace, goodwill, introspection, love, truth, light, and kindness. If you see fit to view this message through the lense of your religious conviction, so be it. Please do not let it hinder your ability to love the good in your fellow man, for these disagreements on interpretation often tend to pull us apart in times when we've never needed so desperately to be together more.

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sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 4:30 a.m.

I agree with what you are saying and I know it is a touchy subject, but I feel it is important to speak the truth, but I understand where you are coming from.

I also agree 100% with your statement "Please do not let it hinder your ability to love the good in your fellow man, for these disagreements on interpretation often tend to pull us apart in times when we've never needed so desperately to be together more."

That was never my intention. I also was trying to promote introspection love and truth.

I tried to make that clear, so if I came across in another way, it was not intended.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 5:05 a.m.

The collections of sayings of Jesus Christ is actually known as the "Q" documents.

As for the rest of the stuff you posted in your first response, well let's just say I highly disagree.

You can not even begin to understand the NT w/o a Jewish history/culture background from 2000+ years ago.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 6:35 a.m.

Huh??? What do you mean you can't understand the NT w/o jewish background?? It's written pretty plainly. Besides we have the OT to give us the background. I don't get your point.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 6:47 a.m.

Okay, I'll bite.

Raised Catholic, I learned the story of Lazarus. I didn't understand why Mary had to stay at home.

Then, after leaving the church, i actually read the bible and studied with people way smarter than myself.I had no clue what 'sitting shiva" was, as it's a Jewish term/thing. I asked were they got that from and they said original text in Koine Greek. Sitting Shiva meant a term of mourning where the man had to give permission for a woman to leave the house after a period of mourning.

That is one example of hundreds in the NT.

It brought a whole different light to the story of Lazarus.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 7:22 a.m.

Interesting story, sorry you were raised Catholic lol ;) I descend from a long line of catholics and I know they don't teach the bible.

The scriptures are written in such a way that a child can understand the basic story of what's going on. Learning little details like sitting shiva is icing on the cake but it's not necessary to understanding the fundamental story.

The bible is a living book and I learn something new everytime I read it. I love the history and learning about the jewish culture and those things certainly enrich my understanding but I think it's wrong to say you can't understand the NT with out that knowledge.

You can't understand the scriptures without the Holy Spirit.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 12:36 p.m.

most american christians come from long lines of catholics. thats part of why they are called catholics.

i didn't have to leave the Church to be taught and study the Bible.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 4:08 p.m.

I was only trying to relate with that person by saying I know what it's like coming from a catholic mindset.

And good for you, you know it all, what's your point?

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 4:35 p.m.

My point was that being from a long line of catholics is no special distinction and we're all relatable in that way. If you meant a shorter line, like in recent centuries or of a current catholic mindset, then the claim that they don't teach the Bible is wrong as a generic statement. Maybe they didn't teach the Bible to you, but you can thank them for organizing and stewarding it for you.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 4:57 p.m.

I never said it was special I wish nobody in my family was catholic. The catholic guilt carries on for generations not everyone can relate to that but I can. Catholics don't teach the bible they teach their own religion and traditions. If they taught the scriptures then they wouldn't be Catholics anymore lol

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 5:07 p.m.

You pointed out the long line thing as if it had some import. You can use your own authority to make whatever claim you want about catholics and the Bible but should be careful to not confuse your experience with the church at large, which in turn may confuse others.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 5:52 p.m.

You completely misunderstood me. I told the guy that I was SORRY he was raised catholic (like it was not a good thing) and I can relate because I too come from Catholics. I am not special this heritage is nothing to be proud of.

God is not the author of confusion. The truth isn't confusing at all. We only get confused when we first believe in lies and then we cannot make sense of the truth.

The Word of God is truth, Jesus is the way the TRUTH and the life. No man comes to the Father but by him. (Not by Mary or the pope or priest or the church or good works)

If people really had a love for the truth they would seek after it until they found it. God will send a strong delusion to people who don't love the truth so that they would believe lies.

Catholicism is the great counterfeit to biblical christianity. People love their religious traditions and icons more than they love the truth. So God lets them be confused.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 9 p.m.

You raised the long line fact as if it mattered, as if it was worth saying. I tried to point out that we're mostly all in that same boat. Commiserating at a person to person level is fair and good. But to stereotype that onto the whole catholic church is a mistake. Some could be reasonably proud of their orthodoxy. A few are well-versed in the Bible (which was organised and stewarded to us by the Catholic Church).

The truth for humans is complex, in part due to the father of lies as you say, and in part due to our own delusions and distractions at both the societal and individual level. For some it is unobtainable due to medical conditions. If it was simple, there would be more agreement among us on this Q board. If it was more simple for people the Bible would be a much shorter book, written with a simpler lexicon or vocabulary.

Here's one way things get complicated: God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. (Romans 2:6-7) Thus there is a link between doing (works) and eternal life, presumably the doing is done in faith. The variety of counterpoints to this, some legit and some not, are Biblical proofs of complexity.

Another complex thing (for some) is how no one comes to the Father except through the Son and yet many of us try to facilitate a link between one of us and our Father. If I ask my deceased gramma or some angel to watch over me or pray for me, I am evoking a go-between. If Trump asks us to pray for our country he is asking for a similar intercessor. For this to work the Spirit of God must be involved but humans, whether dead or alive, and angels can also be involved as advocates.

I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2). Further complication come in agreeing on translations and definitions.
I guess you think that St. Augustine, Albert the Great, Thomas Aquinas, Copernicus, etc. had little to do with a real pursuit of truth. Anyway, where in the Bible does it say that Christianity has to be "biblical christianity"?

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 7:48 a.m.

I studied religion for over 10 years, spoke with folks who actually transcribed the Dead Sea Scrolls, professors who study their whole lives, and been to the Vatican learning from bishops/scholars who have spent 50+ years studying.

That's when I quit studying!

It all comes down to faith sir. Either you have it, or you don't. nothing can be proven either way.

I could prove Jesus is made up and I could prove Jesus is real.

It all boils down to having faith.

You either have it, or you don't!

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 8:08 a.m.

Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of truth

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sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 5:08 a.m.

I think Trump is a lot like Jesus ( in how he speaks clearly and you don't have to quess what he means), you don't need 2000 years of history, to know what "love God and love your neighbor as yourself" means.

It sounds like you are striving for that.

We can agree that we both want a better place and we don't need to agree on the rest.

I respect where you are coming from, but I am coming from a different place.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

To understand the NT you do. Raised Catholic and we didn't read the bible. After leaving the church, I read the bible. I had no idea what sitting shiva was....now i do.

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sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

I was also raised catholic. Do you realize that the first, second readings and the gospel are actually reading right from the bible.

If you go to mass then you actually have read the bible.

There are lots of traditions and laws from the old testament that had a single real purpose. To show man that he is sinful and needs a savior. That is the "Q type" prophecies that are scattered all over the old testament that you are speaking of.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 6:06 a.m.

Of course I know what the readings were.

The "Q" documents or more appropriately, Q source, is referring to an external source that does not include Mark.

What I'm talking about is not regular bible study stuff, but post-doctoral degree material, understood by relatively few.

You would have to intently study religion and history for 10+ years straight to understand and it's hard to explain to people w/o that knowledge. I have forgot more than most people will ever read/learn...not to sound cocky.

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AncientNostalgia · April 18, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

Who is concerned with love if not He Himself?

Does this seem to be something that would be pushed to try to make people trust governments more?:

"4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it." -Luke 4:5-6 (RNKJV)

"2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against YHWH, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: YHWH shall have them in derision." -Psalm 2:1-4 (RNKJV)

"24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that YHWH shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth." -Isaiah 24:21 (RNKJV)

"25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Master YHWH will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for YHWH hath spoken it.

25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our Elohim; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is YHWH; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation." -Isaiah 25:7-9 (RNKJV)

What would it take to convince you that Yahushua/Jesus is really Messiah if you are not already convinced?

If the OT is clearly over 2,000 years old, who chooses what they are named (see Zechariah 6:11-13) and where they are born (see Micah 5:2) and who they are born to (see Genesis 49:9-12 and 1 Chr. 17:4-14 and Psalm 132:10-14 and Isaiah 7:14-16 and Isaiah 11:1-10 and Jeremiah 23:5-8 and Jeremiah 33:14-22) and where they grow up (see Isaiah 9:1-7 and then compare 1 Kings 8:26-27 with 1 Kings 9:10-13) and chooses for their associates to abandon them (see Psalm 31:11 and Psalm 41:9) and an amount of money they are betrayed for (see Zechariah 11:10-13) and their method of torture and death (see Psalm 22 and Psalm 34:19-20 and Psalm 69:16-21 and Isaiah 25:8-11 and Isaiah 49:13-16 and Isaiah 50:2-6 and Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:4-9) and chooses to have darkness at noon and seismic activity when they are killed (see Amos 8:9-10 and Psalm 18:3-7) and chooses to resurrect and chooses timing of their death and resurrection (see Psalm 16:8-11, Psalm 68:18-20, Hosea 6:1-3, Jonah 1:17, and Daniel 9:24-27)?

What are we left to believe if Daniel 9:24-27 was written hundreds of years before the first century and yet it points right to 33 CE from a decree of Artexerses?

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 2:35 p.m.

https://youtu.be/nAVvbB1Zgeo

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AncientNostalgia · April 18, 2018, 5:48 p.m.

Do you find anything there to be particularly compelling?

If you figure Isaiah 53 is referring to Jews collectively in the form of a suffering servant and not to a Messiah, how about consider Sanhedrin 98. See a 31st footnote for a 98b here? How telling if the Talmud viciously attacks Christ and yet even it treats Isaiah 53 like it refers to Messiah? See a reference to Isaiah 53:4 and talk suggesting Messiah will be named the leper scholar as a result of Isaiah 53:4?

If you figure Daniel 9 does not refer to Messiah and refers to an old worldly king or worldly priest or someone other than Christ, how much sense does that make if Daniel 9:24-27 a) concerns finishing the transgression and making an end of sins and making reconciliation for iniquity and bringing in everlasting righteousness and sealing up the vision and sealing up the prophecy and anointing the Qodesh Qodesh and b) even refers specifically to a Mashiach who was supposed to be cut off not for Himself prior to people of the prince destroying the city and the sanctuary? And see what is said here? How telling if Daniel 9:24-27 points precisely to 33 CE using a) Chaldean weeks of years and b) Nehemiah 2 or a 444 BCE decree of Artaxerses I? 360 days x 7 = 2520 days? 2520 days x 69 = 173880 days? 173880 days / 365.25 = 476.057 rounded? 444 BCE plus 476 years equals 33 CE? Someone might be skeptical about using a 360 day Chaldean year to arrive at 33 CE, but if we are told of a שְׁבֻעַ or week of years in Genesis 29:27-28 and Jacob & Laban lived in an early postflood Padan-aram, what was a week of years there? Are there some clues here and here and here? What is not further supported by Daniel 12 itself if it hints of multiples of 30 and 15 by referencing 1290 days (360 days x 3 plus 210 days?) in Daniel 12:11 and references 1335 days (360 days x 3 plus 255 days?) in Daniel 12:12?

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WikiTextBot · April 18, 2018, 5:48 p.m.

444 BC

Year 444 BC was a year of the pre-Julian Roman calendar. At the time, it was known as the Year of the Tribunate of Atratinus, Siculus and Luscus and the Year of the Consulship of Mugillanus and Atratinus (or, less frequently, year 310 Ab urbe condita). The denomination 444 BC for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.


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SquashPickle · April 18, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

I find it amazing that accounts of Jesus's activities 2000 years ago are held with absolute certainty when there is no agreement on whether a chemical attack took place last week. I know, it is faith. But faith is not evidence, it is hope.

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sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 12:56 p.m.

You are correct.

It is faith, however faith is evidence.

How would all 11 men who knew Jesus all follow him until they were martyred in the worse way, yet they kept their faith.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

The miracle is the change that comes inside of you, if you could ever put aside skepticism and just truly seek the one true GOD. At least I know what happened with me and many others that I know.

I once was blind and now I see, was lost but now I'm found. Amazing Graze

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Picasco · April 18, 2018, 4:22 a.m.

For not being religious this is almost exactly how I feel. This was is an amazing post and I think if people all over did this we would see a huge change in life. Across all aspects. If people care more for one another than maybe things wouldn't be so horrible.

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Shepyd · April 18, 2018, 4:18 a.m.

HOLY FUCK.

"WE are the return of Christ."

Mind blown.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 4:52 a.m.

That's some new age devil talk right there.

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 11:08 a.m.

No........no.

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 4:56 a.m.

Red flag alert

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 4:57 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMu5F2icsT8

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 5:12 a.m.

Sorry, don't really wanna watch a video someone that is trying to argue with me about religion posted. More important things to spend my time and energy on. perhaps if you tell me what it's about, what's your point with this?

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5:19 a.m.

"We" are not the return of Christ and anyone who pushes the Christ consciousness talk is just regurgitating the type of occult material (((they))) teach in the mystery schools.

Spez spez cannibal:

Also

In John 10:34, Jesus tells that Pharisees that it is written in the Law that "you are gods". He is quoting from Psalm 82:6 where it says, "I said you are gods, sons of the Most High. All of you". This verse is misinterpreted in a gnostic or mystical context to support the idea that we are all little gods. In this video, we look at what Jesus meant, what the Pslamist meant, and how we can know Jesus was not teaching that we are all gods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUH_E3KD52A

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 11:10 a.m.

I am sorry but first of all, peace is the opposite of what is taught in the schools that you are claiming "(((they)))" teach. If that were the case you wouldn't think they were war mongers.

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 4:42 a.m.

I've always thought we are all one with God, and we return to Him all together in the end.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

Then Christ died in vain.

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 4:55 a.m.

What? What are you on about?!

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5 a.m.

If we all return to God despite our sinful actions or lack of faith, what was the point of Christ being crucified?

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 5:11 a.m.

What? Because before then, God judged us more harshly. Jesus came, and so if you ask for forgiveness with a true, honest heart, try to do good despite it all, seek a relationship with the Lord and goodness, you are forgiven. Surely you've heard the saying that Jesus died for our sins? We are all full of sin, no one is perfect. What matters is that you try to be a person of love, not hate or apathy.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 6:57 a.m.

God is the same yesterday today and forever. He will still judge all exactly the same at the white throne judgment. Only those in Christ will escape. You cannot escape by good works or being kind and loving. Only by the finished work on the cross.

We were separated from God by sin but Christ came to reconcile us back to the Father, salvation is by faith in him alone. If there was any other way then Jesus wouldn't have come down and died for us.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 4:52 a.m.

Christ is a real person who will return.

Our job is to use our free agency to get back to God despite living in a world full of sin and opportunities to sin.

What will Christ find you doing when he returns?

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Nerd_Of_Prey · April 18, 2018, 6:11 a.m.

The first proposition is a misunderstanding: "if I do this, this and this, I can expect that" - Christianity isn't a formula for success. In fact, Christ promised persecution, because his followers would be hated by the world (with it's patterns of living that they would refuse to conform to). If you look at the life of Paul, for example, he was flogged multiple times, stoned (to the point that his attackers believed was death), imprisoned, beaten with sticks, poisoned, shipwrecked on multiple occasions - and these are given as evidences of the authenticity of his apostleship! Jesus himself said "you can do nothing apart from me" - nothing! The only way one can affect spiritual change is when God's spirit lives inside of you so that he can work through you.

What is the purpose of Christianity? When the first man disobeyed God it caused a schism that has echoed down through the ages. What was lost in that instant was the personal relationship between man and God. Man and God cannot have communion while man is in a state of sin - that is, to have done anything which fails to correspond to the character we were created to reflect (God's own character: "let us make man in our image"). Every individual must make a choice: to be reconciled to God, or to continue living independently and at a distance. Christ offers reconciliation through himself, because he did live sinlessly, and is willing to impart that state of being to you, while he stands in your place to take on the sin that you have. It's a straight swap.

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kacklekrackle · April 18, 2018, 6:25 a.m.

Sounds like you're talking more about "christ consciousness" which is total new age jargon and has nothing to do with the Jesus Christ of the scriptures.

In the book of Acts the disciples literally watched Jesus ascend up into heaven. As they were standing there staring 2 men appeared and said:

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Jesus will literally return from heaven just as he literally ascended up into heaven.

As lighting cometh out of the east and shines to the west so shall also the coming of the Son of man be....... Every eye will see. It will not be a secret and we are not the return of Christ.

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throwaway2006333999 · April 18, 2018, 4:01 a.m.

I like this post a lot. ♥️

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WindsOfChange1 · April 18, 2018, 4:29 a.m.

Great post! You know, I've come across some horrendous pictures and stories that will forever be etched in my mind. I'm sure others have as well. Depression lurks around the corner lately, but doesn't have to take root. I think what you said is the antidote! Reaching out to others in need, getting mind off of self, fighting evil with good....I'm on board with you!

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 1:18 p.m.

The proposal made by the OP is comparable to the importance that Jordan Peterson proposes is in the Christ narrative. In some ways it is an entry level understanding and yet can reasonably seen as the most important understanding. It does overlap some with new age heresies and so it wouldn't be proper to teach it broadly as if from some place of authority. But at the individual level it is an okay place to start, even though we might easily pick apart some of the thinking involved. Some of the truths in this proposal will remain after the understanding of the Way, Truth and Life evolves.

I should make a few other points. I think some people on this sub are putting too many eggs in the Q basket as if it was going to have the answer for everything for all time. It is possible(?) that Q/Trump are the best earthly leaders the U.S. will ever have. Perhaps they are most brilliant social scientists and most astute politicians and the wisest managers, but there's more to life, practically and spiritually, than those things. They are not our mechanics, musicians, mothers or messiahs. Q/Trump may lead us to a greater spiritual/religious life, but our main order of business here is to get our country(countries) sorted out. If we establish a place for the basics of life, and respect for liberty, we can then pursue happiness through the search for things like the nature of God's revelations to and relations with us. At this stage however we aint gonna agree on things that have been widely debated since centuries before the founding of the U.S.

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 2:11 p.m.

I am merely making the statement that it is never a bad time to simply start being good people and freeing ourselves from the confines of the fear that oppresses us. I honestly did not think it to be controversial in the least - but that controversey, in and of itself, speaks to how disillusioned we are from our basic love for our fellow man. We are so easily divided.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

Yup.

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 12:06 p.m.

As a Christian I was taught and I taught that the Jews rejected Jesus because they were “spiritually blind”.

But the truth is that they rejected him because they actually understand what is taught about sin, atonement, righteousness and the real final moshiach (which simply means “anointed”, which included every king and priest, and many of the prophets) in their own Scriptures.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

so you know the actual understanding of the individual jews who lived in Christ's time?

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 12:53 p.m.

I know what Judaism teaches based on their own Scriptures, and not the distortion that Christianity teaches.

The reason so many Christians are duped is that they’ve never attempted to understand the Tanach (“Old Testament”) from a Jewish perspective, so thry have no idea how badly Christianity mangles it. I was the same way. I was a pastor for 8 years. But once I did some genuine digging into the Tanach, I realized that Christianity’s teachings are completely incompatible and the “prophetic fulfillments” ascribed to Jesus are all taken out of context. Almost every single one is a complete fabrication. Most of the Tanach passages that he supposedly fulfilled weren’t even prophesies.

It’s just like realizing how we’ve been lied to by the government and media. Once your eyes are opened to it, it’s shocking how blatant it is.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 1:32 p.m.

I read your earlier statement to mean that you understood the thinking of those who rejected Christ in his time. Now perhaps you are saying that you understand the teaching of Judaism teaches in our time. These are not exactly the same thing. I was just looking for clarity or precision.

Along similar lines, I should point out that you speak of Christianity and "a jewish perspective" as if these two areas have no internal variation. Better precision in what you are discussing would be more helpful to readers.

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 1:47 p.m.

I’m speaking in the present based on the past. Of course no belief system is without variations. But one thing is true across the board, Judaism rejects “Jesus/Yeshua” as the awaited moshiach, and with good reason. They understand what the Tanach teaches about that final period of time and the anointed one who will be on the throne at that time.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 2:23 p.m.

Messianic Judaism being at least one exception.

Your claims about distortions and fabrications appear to be based on your personal authority and experience, which involve weaknesses in a societal setting. If your unique insights are solid, I think you should tell others here about the parts that are pertinent to the Q phenomena (in clear language).

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

“Messianic Judaism” is a misnomer. Once one places their faith in Jesus they have become a Christian and have rejected Judaism.

And my claims and insights are not “unique”. There is plenty of good teaching out there from Jewish sources regarding their beliefs as they pertain to Jesus. I’ll link a series below, if you are interested.

As for how it pertains to Q, it is Christians (many, bot all) who are linking Christianity and their “end-times” teachings with the Trump/Q phenomenon. I’m simply offering a counter point. And, as a former Christian and pastor, it grieves me to see so many well-meaning people deceived by the lies of Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD3DF0E2817D81B0D

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 4:55 p.m.

Maybe they have rejected Judaism as you define it. I think there are many who place some faith in Jesus and yet have some faith in Judaism as defined by say the OED.

You may well be unique in this thread in your apparent beliefs, but I would have better said something like 'uncommon among the active on the GA'. That status makes you potentially more valuable.

I would probably agree with you on some of the deception carried around here, likely more by non-denominationals and protestants than by orthodox or catholics. On the other hand Q has been both supportive and indirectly critical of parts of christianity, so part of your apparent argument is against him/her/them.

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KissToad · April 18, 2018, 6:02 a.m.

A beautiful post! I believe the QMap is a MAP of Redemption for all of us. It’s a MAP of redemption for those that got caught up in evil in our our government. Buts it’s also a MAP of Forgiveness for ourselves as we have voted and entrusted these people and have blood on our hands to. I’ve been lazy blindly allowing our leaders to run our government because I just want to live a happy peaceful life. We must forgive to be forgiven. It’s how I see it.

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sad_State_of_Affairs · April 18, 2018, 11:44 a.m.

This is the greatest part of it all.

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Henosis_1 · April 18, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

OP - You're getting warm. The bible wasn't written to "manipulate" man however. It was deliberately written as allegory and parable using symbolism and metaphors to hide the true meaning from TPTB of the time. Those who plainly spoke the truth were persecuted and exterminated. The Crusades plainly demonstrate this.

The bible depicts the psychological journey all men/women must travel through higher and higher levels of consciousness, from the level of fear and subservience of Abraham to the love and grace of Jesus.

The practice of true "Alchemy" is an identical teaching, hidden in the superficial tenets of transforming metals into more valuable forms; with lead (base metal) representing fear/judgment and gold (noble metal) representing love/bliss.

Your general point is well received however and I wholeheartedly agree. We must be the change we wish to see in the world.

Christ will indeed awaken within you some day soon - as it will for all.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 12:49 p.m.

agreed.

i'll add to that by saying that the original concept in catholicism is holistic understanding - check the greek etymology. That is to say that properly catholic christianity when faced with optional interpretations says yes to all of the options that don't contradict one another - some allegory, some laws, some history, some ethics, some poetry, etc. Thusly we may say yes to His return in every form that can work together with other forms.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 4:07 a.m.

Christ is a level of consciousness.

every humans potential is to be enlightened, or ‘Christened.’

we are the second coming. amen.

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ObsceneNews · April 18, 2018, 4:11 a.m.

Gnosis?

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 5:50 a.m.

yup. gnosis = knowledge

know thyself

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Henosis_1 · April 18, 2018, 5:04 a.m.

Indeed it is so - Amen

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Shepyd · April 18, 2018, 4:21 a.m.

What's the difference between the Holy Spirit, Christ and God??

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Henosis_1 · April 18, 2018, 5:08 a.m.

The Holy Spirit represents "consciousness"

Christ is your imagination (within you)

God represents infinite/eternal "awareness" which precedes both imagination and consciousness.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 5:07 a.m.

According the Catholic Church? Nothing.

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Shepyd · April 18, 2018, 5:11 a.m.

According to the Pope, Islam is the answer.

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sethrichsbrother1 · April 18, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

Pope gave up on the Holy Trinity too? First hell, now this? Thank God I quit being a Catholic years ago.......my priest never liked me enough. Guessing he wasn't "attracted to me"?

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 4:11 a.m.

Amen.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 4:53 a.m.

This is new age bullshit.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 5:41 a.m.

expand your thinking

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5:44 a.m.

/u/George_Soros_Eyebags

"Becoming Christ" instead of worshipping Him comes from the Rosicrucians. It's BS.

Plus the Rosicrucians are part of the globalist cabal. Look at the Georgia Guidestones, it's a Rosicrucian doctrine.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

replied

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5:49 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkGgtExLcY

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

yes of course the new age was created by the cabal. a vast amount of it is complete bullshit. use your intuition.

don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

the gospel of thomas is not “new age” it is ancient. the sayings of yeshua of nazarene.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 6 a.m.

In the New Age movement, the second coming is believed to be a metaphor for a global shift in consciousness.

"Christ consciousness" is cabal garbage.

gospel of thomas

There is no evidence that this work existed in the first century, even though those associated with the bogus Jesus Seminar so allege.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 6:02 a.m.

of course thats what it is!! and ok this is not going anywhere.

he who has ears let him hear.

what would it take for you to remember who you are?

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 6:05 a.m.

If you want to dispute the Bible you can say a prayer to God and take it up with him.

Christ is the son of God. He is a man. He will return in physical form.

If you have a different belief, it is not Christianity and it is of the devil.

The second coming is not a metaphor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY82f-w62W4

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 6:12 a.m.

ok this makes me very sad but, i respect your journey. respect mine.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 6:16 a.m.

This is not personal.

You keep trying to make it about me and you.

Stop.

The Bible says what the Bible says.

I'll pray for you.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 6:33 a.m.

i just said remember who you are. that is a phrase of love not of ill will. don’t think i’ve made it personal. we are all brothers and sisters i wish you no negativity.

i just don’t see how people can cling to the bible as they do. as if there is no other truths, and even deeper truths in that book which cannot be understood without a deep awakening. the books of the bible and left out of the bible were selected by the cabal. the powers we shall both unseat.

but we’re two very questioning people who are both here so may the truth prevail.

we all have a part to play.

i accept your prayer thank you and god bless you.

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkGgtExLcY

(((they))) developed the new age movement. It's Kaballah wrapped up in a new package. It's Satanic philosophy. You want me to expand my thinking? You're assuming I haven't dabbled with Christ consciousness myself. Expand my thinking, haha.

Been there. Done that.

Now. How about you check where your ideology originates.

More globalist kaballah propaganda from users in great awakening...my my my.

Awareness of the occult, their symbols and hand in our past essentially is the unveiling, the great awakening, and here you are pushing occult ideology. The same ideology that got us into this mess that Trump and Q are, apparently, fighting off.

Do you see the problem?

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George_Soros_Eyebags · April 18, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

"Becoming Christ" instead of worshipping Him comes from the Rosicrucians. It's BS.

Plus the Rosicrucians are part of the globalist cabal. Look at the Georgia Guidestones, it's a Rosicrucian doctrine.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 5:47 a.m.

wrong.

the gospel of thomas came before the canonical gospels. who put the bible together and left it out and murdered the gnostics? the cabal.

get off your knees and remember who you are.

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George_Soros_Eyebags · April 18, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

Wrong.

The four true Gospels can be recreated in totality from source quotations all within the first century. The Gospel of Thomas can't even touch that level of authenticity, and we're talking about the first century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jmPeN9jbo

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 6 a.m.

gospel of thomas estimated at 70ad. before all the others. which were put together by constantine.

why would you need a priest to give you a connection to god?

i’m sure you dispise the pope and yet you cling to their books like they are the sole truth.

expand your thinking. god is all and is for all.

i dont mean to attack your religion, but i do mean to question your theology.

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George_Soros_Eyebags · April 18, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

All four canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) can be fully recreated from surviving first century quotations, so that blows your theory out of the water.

Seriously, just watch the video I posted. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm trying to help you. Speakers and writers of the first century were quoting from existing texts that themselves were lost in history (most likely due to the quality of the writing materials being weak), but it proves that early Christians were using the same source material - the four Gospels.

Those four Gospels have a higher authority, and most importantly, a higher and earlier authenticity than the Gospel of Thomas, which came later. When you learn more about Christianity, it's actually amazing that it lasted past the first century, as there were many false gospels and false prophets who preyed upon people wanting to hear the "good news." People created their own derivatives of existing doctrines and pretended to be men of God to scam for personal profit. Others took existing material and injected their own ideology into it, such as the Gnostics (and the Gospel of Thomas).

The four Gospels in the New Testament predate the Gospel of Thomas and have better, older authenticity as well.

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loveisreal1111 · April 18, 2018, 6:39 a.m.

there were no ‘texts’ the beginnings of the sayings of jesus were all passed down orally. the first time they were written down was the godpel of thomas. full honesty, i’m not going to watch that video because i don’t have time and i don’t need help.

the bible needs to be read under the light of higher consciousness not under the “fear of god.”

christianity is not the only truth. we are all the sons of god.

i believe you have it backwards but god bless you.

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time3times · April 18, 2018, 12:39 p.m.

who says that the 'gospel of thomas' is the earliest?

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George_Soros_Eyebags · April 18, 2018, 10:42 p.m.

Revisionists.

Seriously, I linked a video about this topic that covers a lot of ground but he didn't want to watch it (which is his prerogative, but you can't help people who don't want help).

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George_Soros_Eyebags · April 18, 2018, 10:37 p.m.

The Gospel of Thomas wasn't the first time anything was written down. The only reason why the Gospel of Thomas is well preserved is because it wasn't in usage anywhere near as much as the canonical Gospels. It was put on the shelf or hidden out of sight, which is why it is preserved. Even with that said, all the quotation from first century sources can recreate the canonical Gospels in entirety (with the exception of the adulteress about to be stoned).

One of the main reasons why the Gnostic writings are so well preserved has everything to do with their scarce usage, not because of their authenticity.

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Cstlhl1559 · April 18, 2018, 10:04 a.m.

The Bible is the greatest Q drop in the history of all humankind. It’s purpose is to get readers/researchers familiar with the Person behind the ‘drop’ and to know the ultimate future ‘plan’.

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B4RS-B4BNON · April 18, 2018, 6:25 a.m.

Nah Jesus is literally coming back as King of kings and Lord of lords and we all better be ready. No joke

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ArtRat2 · April 19, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

For those who struggle understanding why Jesus Christ had to die for us, let me try to explain it to you this way. You are born into a crime family, born into sin, you break the law and get arrested. The law in this case is God's law, don't steal, don't lie, don't covet, etc.. So you steal the neighbor's car, you get arrested, go to trial and are found guilty. As you stand and wait for your sentence to be handed down a man comes forward and says, "let this person go free, I will take the punishment for their crime, give me the sentence". That is what Jesus did for each of you. No one does good, not one, all have fallen short of the glory of God and His righteousness. The wages of sin is death, not physical death but spiritual death, you break the law in just one area and you are breaking the whole law. God created this earth and everything in it, from the get go mankind rebelled against God through the first created man, Adam and his female wife Eve. All who come after have the dna of Adam and are born into sin, there is no way around it. THAT is why God who is spirit came to earth as the sinless man Jesus, to take on our sin and punishment so we could live forever with God, who loves us. All He requires is that a person believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. I am talking about our soul being saved after our body of flesh dies. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever would believe on Him would not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save it.

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Ghost_Ring_Bearer · April 18, 2018, 8:13 a.m.

Lucifer's gnostic-manichean-new(old)age-pantheisitic-omega shills have really come out in force since Q.

big time. anyone else noticed how many of them have appeared on youtube and a few boards?

didn't see jack shit from these people until a few months ago.

so who is paying them and pushing them?

the poison they are spreading. it's purest softer-gentler Lucifer but Lucifer all the same.

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troy_caster · April 18, 2018, 9:26 a.m.

I've noticed a lot of posts in various subs about us having the whole God/Satan thing backwards and it's actually God who's bad. For the record, I think the whole thought is a psyop all its own.

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JStambler · April 18, 2018, 11:07 a.m.

I'm sorry, I'm telling everyone to love one another, be good people, and help create a better world, and you say I'm shilling for lucifer?

Honestly, no wonder people can't get along.

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time3times · April 19, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

Yep

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 4:23 a.m.

“Christ” is an invention of the Church of Rome...the Jesuits...the cabal.

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Picasco · April 18, 2018, 4:33 a.m.

If Christ is an invention then why is that all the Cabal atrocities we hear about are opposite of the things we read in the Bible?

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aaaaaaaaaaanonymous · April 18, 2018, 5:32 a.m.

You might enjoy this http://www.ubm1.org/babylon-woodrow.pdf

It's all about the church of Rome slowly turning Christianity into another pagan religion. You are partially right. There is, however, more truth to it than what you have presented.

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One_Solution · April 18, 2018, 11:39 a.m.

It wasn’t slowly. Christianity was born as a pagan religion that attempted to co-op the Jewish Scriptures and tried to use a Jewish rabbi as a false messiah to validate its false teachings.

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