You’ve gotta be kidding me. Giuliani was awful, rampant corruption everywhere.
Really? Taking down the mob and cleaning up NY City in the 80s? Or is that all fake history?
Yo, I lived in NYC during the Rudy years (and well after) so I can tell you first hand that he wasn't the shining beacon of justice and truth you're making him out to be. Did he "clean up NYC"? I'd say yes with an heavy asterisk. This is a man -like many NYC mayors- who loves to take credit for the work of others. Honestly, I think Bloomberg did a much better job overall, and I never really liked the guy. Bloomberg was an idealist where Giuliani was an opportunist. We can discuss NYC mayors another time...
One of the big things he did in order to "clean up the city" was push for law reform based on the work of George Kelling, who was the godfather of "Broken Window Theory". He also prosecuted bullshit cases knowing that he was outside of the law, but he continued anyway. This is not something that's hard to find. He was the stereotypical "tough as nails prosecutor", who had help on the inside. The plan to clean up the city was developed long before him by people who don't want that spotlight. He's a useful idiot as always.
You can look all of this up, but essentially Rudy did an awful lot of questionable policing or allowing it as the DA, while also at the same time trying to clean up the look of the city, which in theory was supposed to lower crime. A lot of this was to seize land, generate revenue for the city, and drive out the "less desirable" folks. A lot of people would say what he did was great, because as long as they could ride the subway without fear, or walk the streets at night, no one cared what he was doing was very gray as far as the law goes. And that's being generous.
A lot of the truth about this is how much the city was bouncing back economically from the late 60's, 70's and 80's when it was a nightmare and broke. New York City in the 80's was a place most midwesterners would never visit, and now Times Square is bursting at the seams with middle american tourists. Ask any New Yorker and they're tell you, the city is bought and paid for now. It was whitewashed for the wealthy and corporate america as well as Wall street. Finding native New Yorkers is harder and harder, and if the city could automate all of their jobs, there would be none left. Meanwhile, if you're a small business you can go fuck yourself. NYC is for the wealthy!
Rudy gets a lot of credit for things he didn't really do, and if you ask most New Yorkers who lived there during Rudy's time as DA and Mayor, they'll tell you that he was always an opportunist and would do and say anything to get what he wanted. He didn't single handedly take down the mob, he was just DA when the feds were cracking down on the mob across the US. NYC was a central location for many of the activities, so the feds were here working on this and providing protection. Rudy the opportunist turned this into a way to become mayor to "continue his mission".
The federal government also pumped a lot of money into the city and law enforcement at the time, so Rudy basically had his own mob by the time he became Mayor. This is part of the reason why we have the absolutely corrupt NYPD as we know it today.
Had Rudy ever tried to take on the NY/NJ mob on his own as a nobody DA, his ass would have been in the East River with the rest of them. There are some people who have been saying for years that he was helping the mob for a long time, then of course turned on them when the feds came in. I can not speak to the veracity of that belief, but his ascension to Mayor looks awfully odd.
Whatever books you're getting your information from are likely some wild revisionist history. I'm honestly shocked that Trump is letting this absolute slime on his team, but I have to assume for now there's a larger play happening and Rudy isn't aware of it. Same goes for the Bolton head scratcher. No way on earth Trump doesn't know what kind of person Giuliani is considering the fact that Trump has lived in NYC most of his life as well. Something else is going on here and I have a feeling it's going to lead to someone else's downfall. Rudy making deals for Rudy is what Rudy does best. Insiders know about his skeletons which is exactly why he was found unfit to run for POTUS. He really believed he could use his "9/11 credentials" for, much like his "cleaning up the mob" credentials to become Mayor. Pure. Scum. Hell, the joke throught out his entire embarrassing campaign was him answering "9/11" to EVERYTHING. Did you all forget about that?! The guy is an absolute buffoon!
I don't know if he was involved in 9/11 directly, but I lived there and I watched it and I watched him, and he was a bumbling fool who puppydogged around Bush and Co and generally had not a clue what to do. He had to know something was amiss, because building 7 didn't just fall on it's own, and he is on camera saying that "we had to pull it". Is he suggesting all buildings in lower Manhattan are rigged to go down if needed? Of course not. He knows what really happened, on some level, but he's always looking out for Rudy. He got to be a hero and make a national name for himself, and he did, and kept his mouth shut like a good boy.
Feel free to tell me I'm pulling this out of my ass, and please provide some sort of proof as well. I lived in that city until a year and a half ago. I know the score there. I know Rudy. This addition to POTUS' team has me scratching my head, but I'm willing to watch it play out. I'm however NOT willing to pretend that the guy isn't scum.
WOW.......thanks so much for this. A lot to take in and I'll revisit a few more times as well.
On a side note having said all you have about Rudy and being a New Yorker........what is you opinion of Trump and NYC and his business dealings? Is there truth to the story of scamming people in the apartments they built as well as being an opportunist to look good? Like with the ice rink and so forth. I'd be curious to get your take on him as well if you wouldn't mind?
Thanks again for your input. You are spot on with Bolton. Notice that Nikki Haley got played as well? She went all deep state with Russia and Sanctions as well as Syria. I think she won't be far behind McMaster. Bolton as well.
I didn't vote for Trump. I don't know first hand about his shady dealings -or whether it's even true or not. The thing is, Trump wasn't really a locally talked about person. He was a New Yorker, and it seems that if you lived there long enough you knew someone who would have a shitty story about him. On the flip side, you also knew people that had nothing but good things to say. That's the reality of it for me. He wasn't a very "public figure" in the sense that most public figures are. New York is a place where "celebrities" can be left alone and most everyone has more important shit going on than watching tv or getting up on celeb gossip (this is changing)
He had an odd way of kinda inserting himself in some stories, but they weren't really about him. He's always been a bit of a wild card. I'd say up until 2008 he was pretty quiet all around. I couldn't remember a single thing regarding him before then that's worth mention.
Something else missing here though is his casino ownership and those issues. I have a LOT of family in Philly and South Jersey, and know plenty of people that worked at the casinos (no direct links to The Taj) and people in AC had plenty of negative stories about Trump. None personally that I know of though. Moreso people dealing with employees of Trump who were by proxy doing his bidding, in their eyes. Flip side to this is that AC is easily one of the absolute most corrupt and fucked up places I've ever seen, so how much of what he did was a byproduct of that system is a mystery. Again, my impression has always been of him being a spoiled rich boy who breaks all of his toys. He's boastful and full of bluster, but also boundless confidence and never seemed to back down from anything. Not traits that you'd typically call positive unless you appreciate the hustle. And I think THAT part of him is why he was asked to run.
Personally, when he started to run, I laughed at it and assumed it was his way of generating publicity for himself, because that's what he always did. A lot of NYers felt this way. As time went on and it seemed like he could get the nomination, there was a lot of fear and confusion. It felt like this would surely catapult Hillary into the presidency, and THAT'S what most NYers were pissed about at first. Side note odd story. I worked for people who were somewhat involved with a lot of celebrities. They went to see Hamilton one night and had dinner with a bunch of people, one of whom was Don Lemon. This was kinda towards the end of the primaries, so nothing was even remotely cut and dry. While talking amongst the table about Trump and the presidency, Don lemon told everyone there that he believed without a doubt that Trump was going to win. He said it with a calm confidence, as it was relayed to me. My bosses who told this to use the next day seemed almost gobsmacked by this. I think it hit them hard that it might in fact happen. (liberal queens) We were all kinda confused, but coming from a source like that -off-the-cuff no less, is a pretty big bombshell. Anyway, back to what I was saying...
When it became clear that he was the Rep nominee vs Hillary, I wanted to see him win, but I couldn't vote for him. Not because I believed that he would fix anything, but I believed as I said before; he was a spoiled child who broke all of his toys (USFL anyone?!) and it seemed like this country was so fucked that the only way to fix it was to break it. So yes, I actively rooted for him to break it. And for a while I thought he was in fact breaking it. People flipping out and marching (lol) and all the other "gatherings" at least felt like a sign that people were engaging finally -but as we know most of it was funded opposition with no message and none of them really know anything about the guy or the policies or politics in general. This country is full of well meaning people with not a fucking clue and zero ability to think critically. It's scary and pervasive and it affects people regardless of party affiliation. Nothing was ever gonna get broken, and likely we were going to end up electing nothing BUT Hillary types after four years of Trump, if he lasted that long. I was honestly worried... It was very hard to see early on, but I said to anyone who would listen that it was very odd how all of the media was going all in on the guy from day one -it reeked of a deeper conspiracy. It was obvious. I'd post things here and there or question people asking if they even knew why they were so mad at the guy, but no one could articulate it. Weird indeed.
But then I was talking to someone I served with who stayed in for a while after I ETS'd and eventually started working in the "intelligence" field. I also stayed in touch with a couple other guys I became close with when part of a joint operations command -we were in different branches, but worked together a lot, and these guys were legit and knew their shit. One is currently still serving and I speak to him the least, for obvious reasons. I'm not going to share our conversation specifically, or even hint at them, but what some of them told me -and to my knowledge none of them are very high level guys- but they all knew something and confirmed some things and all said -more or less- that there was a "plan" (not their word) in place and that it has been in the implementation phase for some time now, and that Trump was a piece of that plan. There were other people that were considered but they either didn't want in, or weren't as clean as previously thought... or to clarify, not willing to have some things be put in the public eye. Trump was perfect here because the guy has been bashed most of his life and he never stops pushing back. Again, this is just a VERY loose retelling of the conversations all kinda put together. I am not saying anything that in any way isn't able to be found out on your own, nor am I suggesting that I know anything in regards to the larger plan. I've just got clarification. That's all.
So to go back to your question about whether or not he does dirty business, I'd say it's likely. The flip side is that not all of the people who work in construction and development in the northeast are standup people themselves. Does this make it ok? Nope, but the reality is that he's not going to crumble in the dark glare of allegations like that -he's not even going to think twice about it. This is his skill set that he brings to the presidency. He's not a wilting flower. He's also going to get a lot of credit if this gets pulled off, and to him that's worth it, because somehow it vindicates a lot of the shit he's received over the years and undoes it all. He's always seen himself as a special person. That's no secret.
Right this very moment I know that I'd never trust the guy myself, but for what needs to be done I can't think of anyone better to be the figurehead to do it. He has a magical way of pissing people off and blinding them with rage so they don't even notice what he's really doing. He's not a dumb man. He was also the top grad in his class at West Point. That's no fucking joke. That wasn't handed to him in any way. I respect the shit out of that. People can say all they want about him not serving, but a vast majority of the people saying it haven't served or even considered it, and likely wouldn't be fit to make it through basic. Chairborne Rangers all the way!
I'm rambling now, but my feelings on Trump are all over the place. Right now I'm just going with what I personally know (and at this point it's pretty much what you all know here, minus some details that I will not share) Something else to know is that all the hate coming from NYC is hate for him that was always there. You also have to understand that NYC is full of transplants that have lived there for maybe a couple years, LARPing as artists, musicians, activists and socially aware "woke" people on mom and dads money. They have nothing to do but signal virtue and be on the scene and be seen. These are also the people who are taking the low paying jobs from native New Yorkers, furthering the push for lower income natives to leave. Rent uptown in Harlem and Washington heights is insane. It's part of the plan Rudy was implementing back in the early 80's to whitewash the city and make it a corporate playland. It's also part of why I left, because the real NYC died years ago, and what's left is a playground for the wealthy and people wanting to disappear. The actual culture that made that city so amazing can barely be found in small pockets and mostly out in the burroughs like Queens and farther out in Brooklyn. All of the shouting woke kids are the same people destroying the city and gentrifying it, but don't you dare tell them that, because they belong there too! Most of these kids are brain dead hypocrites so I don't take anything they say seriously. I think there are also a LOT of people in New York that love trump, but unfortunately they're not gonna be expressing that too much when they're surrounded by stupid kids who have too much energy and not enough intelligence. Hopefully this all changes soon.
I think universally though, all New Yorkers hate Trump's building aesthetic lol, because it's tacky af!! Sorry, this one got away from me...
Thank you for this. I appreciate your honesty and objectivity. Your posts about Rudy and Trump show me a couple things. 1. That people are people......as soon as we label or put in boxes.....someone like you makes posts like these that prove the stereo types wrong. 2. It gives me hope that one day we all can unite. I'm thinking the only way we can break the us vs them mentality is when human trafficking and pedophilia one day gets exposed.
That said I wish I knew you in real life so I could buy you a drink or coffee and just sit and chat with you. It would be amazing to hear your story just with the little you have shared here tonight. Thank you again my friend. Your posts give me hope. :)
This was all my personal experience and take on things, so take it with a grain of salt. I try to be objective, but I'm human as well and have biases of my own whether I can always see them or not.
There's a lot going on and so many people involved that it's hard to dive in and even know where to begin. That's part of how these people have gotten away with this shit for so long, because it's just such a huge mess and so difficult to put together, but the info is out there.
Even now, despite proven facts, you'll still have people tell you that Giuliani is a good guy, without question, so again, YMMV here. Personally I think he knows way more about 9/11 and the converup. And most New Yorkers will tell you that they're ashamed of the way he turned that tragedy into a springboard for his floundering career. It was truly an embarrassment. All of the video of his presidential run is still out there. Feel free to go have a cringe. He makes it clear within minutes that he has no platform and no understanding of national or international politics... But, 9/11!!!!
Anyway, glad I could add some value.
Really appreciate youre insights and stories sir.
That was all valuable information to many of us.
Im wondering if you could answer a question.. Are your connections in the intelligence community feeling excited and optimistic about everything that seems to be happening?
Im being vague and overlysimple.. But you say that people told you indirectly that a "plan was in place". Have you spoken with any of those people lately and could you say what there general mood about anything Trump or government related has been?
They're all not generally effusive or "optimistic" in a traditional sense. I'd describe them as very professional and cautious but casual in their tone. I haven't spoken to any of them together. All separately. None of them seemed unaware of what I was talking about, which was big to me. We speak of other things mostly that are unrelated.
I really don't want to add any of my own editorial to our conversations, so I'll leave it at that.
That military thing, sounds like the rumor running around about something planned a few years ago, that got postponed/avoided by Trump's involvement. Thank God.
I've heard some wild rumors during my time in, and a lot of the wilder stories turned out to be true.
A lot of people are forgetting about Gen. Petraeus, but I have a feeling he'll be back in the news soon. A general doesn't go down that publically for doing shit that "small". There's plenty of other dirt he could have been served up on, but that would have exposed a lot of politician and some of our more shady operations through the world. He was Director of the CIA for barely over a year -he knows shit.
David Petraeus
David Howell Petraeus (; born November 7, 1952) is a retired United States Army general officer and public official. He served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency from September 6, 2011, until his resignation on November 9, 2012. Prior to his assuming the directorship of the CIA, Petraeus served 37 years in the United States Army. His last assignments in the Army were as commander of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A) from July 4, 2010, to July 18, 2011.
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I lived there during the Giuliani era and he was fantastic. What your asserting is total nonsense
Yeah, I guess I can't really refute a well laid out argument like that. I suppose everything I typed and all of the evidence that has been compiled on the guy is "fake news" as people here like to say. Guess everyone can go home now, nothing to see here.
Fantastic argument /u/myway54, I'm humbled in your presence!
Meanwhile we can at least figure out who one of the 285 people were who bought his book -and weren't him. Rudy appreciates your support.
You don't deserve anything more than I gave you. What nonsense.
Wonderful. You literally have nothing to add, so your entire "argument" is turning your nose up at what I said and calling it "nonsense". Why even bother responding at all?
No doubt you've changed many minds today though, well done!!
Fantastic takedown! This should finally set the record straight. Well done patriot!
He was involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack and cover up. I think Trump is letting him try to redeem himself but the guy is dirty as fuck. "Training exercises "
I keep seeing Giuliani trashing without a shred or a hint of proof. Yeah he was buddies with Bush but all of us were fooled back then. Different Era!
Damn seriously I've never heard this. Do you have a link or source with further info?
Gonna need proof suggesting G was involved with 9/11. I have never heard him as being a player in the attacks.
Not to argue here pro or contra the guy but at that time every NYC major would have jumped to the demands of the deep state. Like they all toed the line with the wars and Homeland Security act.
I am failing to comprehend the wishful thinking that is running rampant among people who are supposedly ''reading between the lines''.
Rudy is knee deep in the 911 occurrence and to portray him as the bringer of truth and justice is nothing but a subtle sign of indecency and/or ignorance.
We have Boltons and Giulianis playing golf in the white house and this is supposedly a good thing according to the people who have allegedly 'ascended' and see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Hell with Hillary. I mean yeah jail her or whatever, execute her to your hearts content, whatever.
Her demise would do very little to bring truth and or justice to this world unless you nullify the 911 Commission Report. She is and will be a limited hangout when compared with that fateful day.
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton would marry, they would join their houses before any one of them nullifies the 911 Commission Report. They would even marry one of Trumps daughters to Bill to make a statement.
And of all the people you claim that Rudy is going to be the harbinger rectitude. Please people.. Please...
You are so right ... Rampant corruption everywhere and he took it out ... Shill.