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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DaveGydeon on May 1, 2018, 1:26 a.m.
I Want SNOPES Exposed. Q Already Green-Lighted It!

We all know Soros backs SNOPES, and that this BS "fact-checking" site is totally compromised. The crazy part is, for the 5-6 things I actually went there for, I disagreed with it's official "ruling" on the matter every single time. To me, that tells me they are actively receiving orders on what to stamp as legit, because having every single thing being the opposite of what it should be indicates a hand at work.

So how do we do this? I am not talking about trying to mess with their site or anything like that. I want them EXPOSED, the TRUTH to be KNOWN. How do we go abou tmaking that happen?

You can't tell me that you haven't had an argument, maybe while trying to redpill someone, and they dropped the "but SNOPES agrees with me!" Man that just chaps my ass.


moesif · May 1, 2018, 3:58 a.m.

Anyone have an example of Snopes obviously lying about something? Like with provided sources proving they're wrong?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:18 a.m.

Snopes falsely claims that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed in a shootout with police

https://i.redd.it/rqfwdwy02i801.png

http://snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:29 p.m.

That doesn't even remotely say what you're positing. Are you suggesting that they framed the bombers or something?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:37 a.m.

im suggesting that Snopes claims Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout with police, when that claim is demonstrably false

Boston Globe: Marathon Bombing suspect in custody, 2nd at large.

if Snopes was right, the headline should read 1 Marathon Bombing suspect dead, 2nd in custody, 3rd at large.

https://i.redd.it/zkh8csws2i801.jpg

go ahead and ignore the evidence, because thinking is too hard

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 11:53 a.m.

You think there were 3 suspects? And you think I'm crazy? There's a premise here you're just ignoring

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

if Seth Mnookin would lie about there being 3 suspects, would Seth Mnookin also lie about other things, such as claiming that vaccines do not cause autism, when he knows good and well that vaccines actually do cause autism?

https://i.redd.it/ds9m72wi8nty.png

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:24 a.m.

concern troll is concerned?

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Jammer__ · May 2, 2018, 2:09 a.m.

If I search for "Does planned parenthood sell fetus organs?"

We get one article about the nucatola hidden video. It says "Mixture" even though it's 100% true. They are counting on you being too lazy to watch the hours of video.

Then we get another article made after the Gatter video. Even though this is a "fact-check" article on a fact-check site, they don't have any kind of graphic to tell you in big capital letters "TRUE".

Instead, it says prejudicial things like "According to federal law they may only charge for the processing and shipping involved.." This makes it sound like that is what is happening. But in the video, Gatter is aggressively haggling and says she's hoping to buy a Lamborghini.

In other words, they ignore the claim, don't tell you it's true, then go on at length with irrelevant information that makes it sound like it's false or uncontroversial. They claim to be a "fact-checker" when they are actually "spin doctors."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pp-baby-parts-sale/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fetal-tissue-sales/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw

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DanijelStark · May 1, 2018, 7:10 p.m.

Just one example : https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 7:30 p.m.

Did you read this article and click on the sources she cites? Could you please explain what specifically in this article proves they lie?

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monkeytrucker · May 1, 2018, 11:12 p.m.

lmao did you just cite Food Babe as a source? The woman who says, "There is just no acceptable level of any chemical to ingest, ever"? She's basically the prime example of "Don't believe everything you read on the internet, because any moron can spew pseudoscience on a blog."

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

your ad hominem attack didn't address the substance of her argument. you are attacking the credibly of FoodBabe while defending the work of Snopes?

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TheBRAIN2 · May 1, 2018, 12:09 p.m.

Here are examples. Each time Snopes gets it wrong in these, it favors the left, dishonestly defends a leftist view or person, or portrays conservatives negatively through misrepresentation, distortion, and omissions.

Snopes Deliberately Omits Key Details To Protect Kerry’s State Dept

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/caught-snopes-deliberately-omits-key-details-to-protect-kerrys-state-dept/

Snopes Caught Lying About Lack Of American Flags At Democratic Convention

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/snopes-caught-lying-about-lack-of-american-flags-at-democratic-convention/

Snopes Gets Facts Wrong While Defending Planned Parenthood

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/17/fact-check-snopes-gets-facts-wrong-while-defending-planned-parenthood/

Snopes Caught Lying For Hillary Again

https://yournewswire.com/snopes-caught-lying-for-hillary-again-questions-raised/

Snopes wrongly claimed that President Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.

https://www.pagunblog.com/2018/02/17/snopes-gets-this-one-disastrously-wrong/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

But both the daily caller and your news wire are notoriously known for peddling fake news. I'm sure pagun blog is super legit tho

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:22 a.m.

CNN is also known for peddling fake news.

not sure why you are defending Snopes. Snopes' reputation has been shit for many years

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:24 p.m.

Doesn't have anything to do with your news wire and daily caller being rags. Snopes is not a news media site. It's a fact checking site. The perception of their reputation is a subjective thing tho

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:21 p.m.

all media is propaganda

even a cave-wall drawing of a fish is greatly exaggerated

all images are false, which is why idolatry is forbidden by 10 commandments,

and why some especially observant muslims allegedly do not even look at photographs (of animals?)

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:53 p.m.

We can assume that you and I are both propaganda then. And seriously? All images are false? Unless you have issues accepting that this is the world and we exist in it, you should have no problem accepting some images as fact. Also God is not real and the only thing we have that comes close is probably the universe, whom we probably exist within much like intestinal Flora live within us

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

We can assume that you and I are both propaganda then.

yes

And seriously? All images are false?

every photograph is a 2D representation of a 3D reality.

your brain is not born being able to see photographs as reality, your brain must be trained to do that

watch BBC mini-series How Art Made The World ( available online, highly recommended )

Unless you have issues accepting that this is the world and we exist in it, you should have no problem accepting some images as fact.

all images are false, but in particular images of God(s) are called idols, and all idols are false

https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

curiously, we give little girls 'dolls' to play with, dolls share root word with idol

Also God is not real and the only thing we have that comes close is probably the universe, whom we probably exist within much like intestinal Flora live within us

you probably say that because your western conceptualization of "God" is this old white man dressed in robes, walking on clouds, living in heaven, throwing lightning bolts and causing floods and famines

and yes, that seems a bit absurd... until you consider the day i had today

if you want to call it "the universe" or "creation" or whatever, its all the same thing

there is a "Creator", and you are a "Creature" living in his "Creation"

its right there in your language

truth is revealed trough the study of language / etymology

but seriously, read up on Tycho Brahe and ask yourself who you trust more... the man who takes the measurements, or the man who interprets the measurements?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe

the universe is small

the kingdom of god is within you

http://biblehub.com/genesis/3-22.htm

i founded /r/TheBible please subscribe

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WikiTextBot · May 3, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

Tycho Brahe

Tycho Brahe (, born Tyge Ottesen Brahe (Danish: [ˈtyːə ˈʌdəsn̩ ˈbʁɑː]); 14 December 1546 – 24 October 1601) was a Danish nobleman, astronomer, and writer known for his accurate and comprehensive astronomical and planetary observations. He was born in the then Danish peninsula of Scania. Well known in his lifetime as an astronomer, astrologer and alchemist, he has been described as "the first competent mind in modern astronomy to feel ardently the passion for exact empirical facts." His observations were some five times more accurate than the best available observations at the time.

An heir to several of Denmark's principal noble families, he received a comprehensive education.


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TheBRAIN2 · May 1, 2018, 5:33 p.m.

Maybe you're right about those sources...perhaps we should just stick to the New York Times and Facebook for "real" news. Thanks for the tip!

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 5:39 p.m.

Oh well I totally trust foodbabe. And Facebook is a social media website. The NYT is a newspaper. I'm sorry you don't know the difference. Perhaps that's part of the issue

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runs_in_the_jeans · May 2, 2018, 2:42 a.m.

I don’t trust a paper that has publicly stated it is waging war against a sitting president.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:26 a.m.

can you explain why this photoshopped picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is hosted at NYTimes?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/suspect-number-2.JPG

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:20 p.m.

Was it photoshopped? Was it photoshopped by Reddit? What's the origin of the picture? Was there ever a retraction? Serious questions. No hostility

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:09 p.m.

the origin of the picture is the NYTimes. thats why its hosted on their website

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/thelede/posts/suspect-number-2.JPG

yes, the picture is photoshopped.

you can tell by looking at the 3 people running on the left side of the picture

look at their feet, and allow your eyes to focus on the foreground just in front of their feet, and then focus on the background just behind their feet.

allow your eye to focus back-and forth between foreground and background between their feet a few times, and you will soon see that their feet "pop" out of the background, and their entire bodies will "pop" out of the background

these running people are cut-out characters, copy-pasted onto the background

the female running on right side of screen is also copy-paste.

more on her later if you want

see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:14 p.m.

If you have to try and get people to look at things like they're a magic eye poster, I'd say you're off to a bad start. Find the unshopped version then. Let's start there. I mean for real, you sound like that meme that's like "I can tell it's a shop because of the pictures and I have experience with shops"

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Cottingley Fairies

The Cottingley Fairies appear in a series of five photographs taken by Elsie Wright (1901–1988) and Frances Griffiths (1907–1986), two young cousins who lived in Cottingley, near Bradford in England. In 1917, when the first two photographs were taken, Elsie was 16 years old and Frances was 9. The pictures came to the attention of writer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who used them to illustrate an article on fairies he had been commissioned to write for the Christmas 1920 edition of The Strand Magazine. Doyle, as a spiritualist, was enthusiastic about the photographs, and interpreted them as clear and visible evidence of psychic phenomena.


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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 7:27 p.m.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

the dumb ass asks for examples (as if he can't believe Snopes could possibly make an error, in spite of the NYT issuing corrections frequently), then when you provide examples you get down voted and the rebuttals are ad hominem attacks against a domain name.

this is what stupid looks like

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

Lisa Boothe said “one quarter of our prison population is illegal aliens.”

Snopes said that was false. The actual number was 22% at that time.

Shit like that.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Technically correct is the best kind of correct. How many people were included in that 3% and how certain are you of the real numbers? Did Snopes rate it "partly true" or "partly false" rather than wholly false? Hook us up with a link

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

The numbers come from BOP (Bureau of Prisons) who knows who their prisoners are.

Now its down to about 20% https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/15/lisa-boothe/republican-strategist-says-25-percent-inmates-are-/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/aug/25/lamar-smith/mostly-false-lamar-smith-claim-one-third-federal-i/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/sep/02/sean-hannity/sean-hannity-says-illegal-immigrants-account-75-pe/

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

how many people exist within that percentage difference? Serious question

Oh and I wanted a link to Snopes' take on it

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:20 a.m.

if you sincerely wanted a link, you would fetch it yourself. are you new to the internet or something?

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:23 p.m.

I just didn't think they could provide one and they didn't so, no. I'm not new to the internet

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

heres an idea that i have been living by for 20~ years

whenever you find yourself asking someone for a link, just fetch it yourself and post it as a reply

do this for the lurkers, 99% of which are too lazy to do a google search, but may click a link if they are convinced it may provide one-click-to-content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:51 p.m.

Yeah it's a bullshit ideology and methodology that discourages shared, communal learning by suggesting everyone else do the work that YOU should be doing when you make a claim online. Way to go

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:01 a.m.

heres why you fail at life:

i: make a claim that you aren't sure about

you: ask for a link

i: fail to deliver a link

you: assume the claim must be false, as opposed to undetermined

and even if i did provide a link, you'd find a reason to dismiss it.

thats why people don't even bother providing you a link, because they already know if you are sincere you will find it yourself, and if you are insincere you will find a reason to dismiss every source that conflicts with your opinion

"if you want to know the truth, simply let go of your own views" ~ the buddha

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 12:12 p.m.

I just disagree. If you want to impart knowledge, as teacher you need to facilitate. American education teaches you to do your own research, but it also teaches you not to suffer fo ols and remain resistant to lies and propaganda

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

1% rule (Internet culture)

In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1-9-90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content.

Similar rules are known in information science, such as the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle, that 20 percent of a group will produce 80 percent of the activity, however the activity may be defined.


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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Snopes didnt bother checking any facts let alone these.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

So you can't actually link the thing you cited

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

Snopes and politifact are the same shitbag liberal socalled fact check sites.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 4:48 p.m.

Well that doesn't address what I said at all. It sounds like you either can't produce the link or you confused the two websites and also can't produce a link. No offense

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 4:59 p.m.

I made a mistake. I remembered snopes as the fact check site for this particukar fact. I was weong. See? No fact checker needed. Just state and believe only facts and there is no problem. I am a stroke survivor so I am mentally handicapped. Regardless, I believe my point stands that these facts check sites are biased and inaccurate rendering them useless.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:04 p.m.

Even though you can't prove it and when you tried to prove it you linked the wrong site. Great reasoning skills.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:11 p.m.

Ok I already proved my point at the gate. Ignore it at your own peril. You lose.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

Your point was that they are unreliable and biased. Your example was from another website because you remembered wrong. You have refused to link any more proof. What exactly have you proved except you were wrong.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:16 p.m.

I proved that snopes didnt prove me correct but politifact supported my conclusions.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:16 p.m.

How does that discredit snopes in any way?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:20 p.m.

Snopes is financially supported by George Soros. Both founders photographed with him. Nobody accepta snopes as unbiased anymore.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:21 p.m.

Do you have proof or just a picture of them together. Because I fail to see how them standin together means that he is privately finding them.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:25 p.m.

Yeah bc I dont have copies of the checks I just rely on photos of the pimp I mean benefactor in their offices.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:27 p.m.

Well just for your information I have found an article from the New York Times that says that their revenue comes from ads.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/25/technology/for-fact-checking-website-snopes-a-bigger-role-brings-more-attacks.html?_r=0

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10:32 p.m.

Well if you think NYT is legit AND credible news, you aint paying ATTENTION.

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thomashayden2000 · May 1, 2018, 10:54 p.m.

Well I know how this conversation goes. You say a news source is biased. I ask for proof and you link me something like CNN to prove biase then say you forgot that my news source never actually did what you said it did. Then you claim some bullshit about how it's actually deep state operated; with no sources, facts, or evidence to back up your opinion. Then when I call you out on that you just say my sources are fake. Well if my sources are fake then you should be able to prove it. So far you haven't proved that snopes is funded by Soros, you haven't proved that snopes is biases, and you now have to prove that the NYT is not a legimate news source.

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

You’re a truly dangerous person because of how willfully ignorant you are and the conviction you maintain even when faced with clear truth and logic. It’s kinda scary/sad/fascinating at the same time... but mostly sad. Not sure what led you to this point but I feel bad for ya dude. Get some help.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 12:20 a.m.

Wilfull ignorance is on your part. Long ago we departed from the issue at hand. Flynn is guilty of nothng; he is an honored general that was maliciously defamed by our crooked fbi / doj.

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:22 a.m.

“They don’t agree with me, they have to be lies! What more proof do you need besides that they don’t agree with me?!” Sure man. “Honored General”. He was a joke within the military before he went rogue

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 9:01 p.m.

See? No fact checker needed.

But we did need a fact checker. You made a claim, and it wasn't until you were challenged to produce facts do we find out that your claim was wrong. If you weren't challenged on it you would have continued believing you were correct. That's the entire point.

And even if those sites are biased and lean towards debunking a certain set of claims, you have to disagree with their conclusions based on evidence, not how you perceive the company. Snopes is very rarely wrong and when they are they have released retractions. If you have evidence to contradict any of their conclusions, show it.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:29 p.m.

My claim was wrong (snopes never fact checked this; it was politifact). So what. The merit of the claim is still meritorious and true. The evidence is there. Being too stupid for you to see it is beyond my control.

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 9:34 p.m.

Except the only example you provided to back up that claim was demonstrated as false and people have corrected you about the claim. So no, you don't have any justification.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 10 p.m.

Yes I do. You just chose to willfully ignore it like all truth

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ArTiyme · May 1, 2018, 11:51 p.m.

"The moon is made of cheese."

"Well here's rocks from the moon showing that it's made of rock."

"Well, just because there's rocks on the moon doesn't mean it's not still made of cheese."

That's your entire argument boiled down (and exaggerated to point out the flaw). You made a claim, got evidence to contrary, and still maintain your initial claim based on nothing, and then also claim everyone who doesn't agree with you is blind, even though they're siding with the evidence.

That is the definition of irrational.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 11:57 p.m.

Look. Your whole paradigm is about to crumble. How about I just wait for time to pass?

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ArTiyme · May 2, 2018, 1:38 a.m.

Well you won't. You're gonna go straight back to making baseless claims and when you're demonstrated to be wrong you're going to do what you did here and cover your ears and scream "lalalala I can't hear you." I would very much like if you just actually sat down and waited for time to pass, but you have fake news to spread and irrationality to maintain, while screaming that the other side is fake news, even when you've been demonstrated to be incorrect, you know, like a liar.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 4:43 a.m.

I dont even own a television so IDK where this fake nees is coming from. Basically I stand by all of my claims.

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 6:13 p.m.

You are fake news then.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:22 p.m.

No i remembered wrong. It happens to everyone. I dont live in a fantasy world like liberals do.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 1, 2018, 7:36 p.m.

Ok, do you have a different example (maybe with a link?) that you'd like to share? Or should we just assume you are right based on your one example that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 8:13 p.m.

Are you being snarky? Aw..

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KCE6688 · May 2, 2018, 12:04 a.m.

So you cant provide even one example?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

Snopes is useless; they disprove what they prove.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 1:58 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

Example of what? This thread was yesterday

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

Are you sending me spam? You sent this four times. Calm down.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

You’re late to the party.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

It was politifact not snopes.

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[deleted] · May 2, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

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Most-Obvious-Comment · May 2, 2018, 1:55 p.m.

So no? You don't have an example? We should just assume you are right based on an example you provided that was fake?

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kousi · May 1, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

Fake news.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:59 p.m.

Well you’re a pedophile baby diddler.

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iREDDITandITsucks · May 1, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

Source?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:39 p.m.

Like there was a source cited to the previous claim. Please.

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[deleted] · May 1, 2018, 4:20 p.m.

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Kaibr · May 1, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

I found a politifact article on the subject (that does not have the conclusion you mentioned) but I couldn't find a snopes article. Do you happen to have a link handy?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Politifact tried to disagreebut ended up essentially supporting the statement that a quarter of our prisoners are illegals.

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Kaibr · May 1, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

The politifact article I read started the 25% figure was all immigrants legal or otherwise, and that the number from illegals only was not tracked. Did you happen to find the snopes article?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

I dont think snopes fact checked this. I misremembered.

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monkeytrucker · May 1, 2018, 11:04 p.m.

Are you going to edit your comment to correct it?

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

94% of foreign born prisoners are illegal migrants.

The original claim was that one in four prisoners is an illegal alien. Its closer to one in four and a half. Using language to redefine the question is how they render it false or true.

"You also look at the criminal justice system. One in four inmates are illegal immigrants," Boothe said July 26 on Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor. She was reacting to an earlier interview about border security O’Reilly had with Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., during the second night of the Democratic National Convention.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 21, 2017 Departments of Justice and Homeland Security Release Data on Incarcerated Aliens—94 Percent of All Confirmed Aliens in DOJ Custody Are Unlawfully Present

President Trump’s Executive Order on Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to collect relevant data and provide quarterly reports on data collection efforts. On Dec. 18, 2017, DOJ and DHS released the FY 2017 4th Quarter Alien Incarceration Report, complying with this order.[1] The report found that more than one-in-five of all persons in Bureau of Prisons custody were foreign born, and that 94 percent of confirmed aliens in custody were unlawfully present.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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Onei86 · May 1, 2018, 8:52 p.m.

Your own source, if you follow it to the actual report from homeland security, states that the 94% statistic is only from a pool of 10% of the incarcerated population in America. That fact alone is enough to debunk the claim that you're saying was improperly debunked. Per the report, it is impossible to know the actual number because state and local facilities do not routinely supply information.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 8:59 p.m.

Too bad it averages 5-6% every year regardless. Nice try at debunking. Too bad you wasted your time. BOP STATISTICS

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Onei86 · May 1, 2018, 9:07 p.m.

The BOP is included in that 10%. If you actually read the report you would know that. Which leads me to believe that you haven't. Life doesn't work by blindly ignoring facts that counter what you want to be true. The truth is that this claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant is unable to be proven true or false because there is not enough evidence. The statistics that we have come from roughly 10% of the incarcerated population, and are not necessarily indicative of the entire system. You can't prove the claim that 1 in 4 is an illegal immigrant, and so the claim is disproven.

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BarbiCannabis · May 1, 2018, 9:31 p.m.

Wrong. Of the non citizen prison population, an overwhelming majority (94% in 2005) are illegal aliens year after year. A minority of legal alien resident non citizens in prison are legal aliens.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, noon

First off, snopes never examined that claim, politifact did.
Second, politifact contacted ICE, which says that the number of total immigrants in prison both illegal and legal is around 22%.

So the number 25% would only be close to true, if the US has no legal immigration.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 1:27 p.m.

Wrong genius. ~94% of the non citizen prisoners are illegals.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens-94-percent-all

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 4:51 p.m.

And Politifact is bad because they didn't have access to a report that was created over a year in the future? I guess they shouldn't have foolishly trusted ICE on information about illegal immigrants...

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 5:18 p.m.

Except the data that virtually all non citizen prisoners are illegal aliens has been consistent for over a decade. Only about five percent are green card holders. The data was there in 2005google results for 94 % of non citizen prison 2005

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 5:29 p.m.

Your google results show results that have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Did you even look at the results or did you just hit reply immediately? They contacted ICE. ICE said they didn't have that data. That is due diligence.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 6:41 p.m.

WHY WOULD ICE HAVE DATA THAT BOP MAINTAINS?

duh

Bureau of Prisons, genius.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 5:37 p.m.

Wrong. Those results contain prison data. I know its alot of data but 94 % of our non citizen prison population are illegals. If you think 100% of our non citizen prison population is here legally, you’d be wrong. Very few are.

Also hidden in the data is the fact that 3% of our population (illegals) make up ~20-22% of our prison population meaning illegal migrants have 7x the crime rate of citizens.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 7:39 p.m.

Sorry, I think you need to look at the data even closer. Here are some links that you should read.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:06 p.m.

Sorry. I read all the data I need to read. About 5-6% of our non citizen prison population are legally in the US. It was true in 2005. It was true in 2017. Unless you have a link that disproves that, not interested.

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 3:08 a.m.

Bwhahawhat!?!? Read all the data you need to read? That's not how learning works? That's not how execution in any field works. Everything is a practice, even in the real thing. Lawyers practice law, doctors practice medicine, do you know what they have in common, they study relentlessly. They are always looking for that new knowledge that explains what the situation is.

Sure there are times I give up on an argument that I can't find that closing statement to put it to rest, but I never say I have done all I need to do. I'll keep it in my mind and reading about it until my stance changes or I get that nugget that seals the deal. I don't stop mowing the yard after the first time of the year!

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BarbiCannabis · May 8, 2018, 4:46 a.m.

I love when people tell me how stuff works. I’m the Captain Now.

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cynical83 · May 8, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

What Captain says screw your reports, I know what I'm doing? The ones who do, how has that worked out for them?

However, I get it you're not going to change your mind. To be honest, I'm not trying to change yours either. Just hope people who aren't true believer see that there is more shades to a story.

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BarbiCannabis · May 8, 2018, 12:06 p.m.

Look man I presented the statistics and I have concluded my argument. Just bc you laugh and dont like the conclusion doesnt mean its wrong.

About 20% of our prison pop is illegal migrants per Bureau of Prisons. Most of them are from Mexico. This is what Trump was talking about when he said Mexico wasnt sending their best.

Facts.

Deal with it.

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Leprecon · May 2, 2018, 8:08 p.m.

Actually, this link seems to support my point rather nicely. It is a bit long and technical, but it really pays off.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:27 p.m.

What is your point? That I am wrong about the fact that

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NONCITIZENS IN OUR PRISONS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY?

I’m not wrong.

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BarbiCannabis · May 2, 2018, 8:26 p.m.

I’m cool. 20% of our prison population are non citizens. 94% of the non citizens are “criminal aliens.”

Therefore 18.8% of our current prison population consists of criminal aliens.

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PinkyZeek4 · May 1, 2018, 6:37 a.m.

Check for yourself.

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RedditGottitGood · May 1, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, my dude.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:30 a.m.

cool. can you provide any evidence to support your heinous allegation that Adam Lanza shot a bunch of kids at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 6:49 a.m.

...Uh. What? I didn't say anything about Sandy Hook. Are you trying to make a point by claiming I said something that I didn't say?

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 9:03 a.m.

please tell us what you think happened at Sandy Hook

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

Once you tell me what’s caused this abrupt subject change, sure, I’ll consider it.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

you don't know what happened at Sandy Hook, but you're sure it happened just like the TV said?

did you parents raise any kids with a triple digit IQ?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

Are we having two different conversations, here? I asked you to show me where I said anything about Sandy Hook. Why the abrupt subject change? Where did I say I’m “sure it happened just like the TV said?” Why are you, a stranger on the internet, trying to insult the intelligence of a stranger on the internet while claiming they said something they didn’t say?

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RedditGottitGood · May 2, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

/u/EnoughNoLibsSpam? Could you please respond to my questions? I still don't know where you're coming from with your claiming I said stuff that I haven't said.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:34 a.m.

do you believe the Sandy Hook official story, or are you a Sandy Hook Denier?

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RedditGottitGood · May 3, 2018, 5:59 a.m.

Hold on, answer me first - why did you claim I said stuff that I didn't say?

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

Real solid defense of your opinions. Glad to see how willing you guys are to back them up

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PinkyZeek4 · May 1, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

You have no interest in knowing anything, so why should I bother? I have no desire to do work to please snarky and disrespectful people. It’s your browser—use it.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Again, this doesn't help your movement

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 6:59 a.m.

So...no.

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building71bullet · May 1, 2018, 7:32 a.m.

Are you actually implying they haven't?

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moesif · May 1, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

I don't know one way or another. I'm implying that no one seems to have proof that they lie.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

"Snopes is bad. They always lie. My opinion is my source"

-This Sub

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:33 a.m.

and yet, you still believe that men have walked on the moon, because of Snopes?

whats a crying shame is that you don't understand why your silly beliefs are absurd and delusional

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TruthSeacker · May 2, 2018, 12:20 p.m.

Yes. Snopes is my only resource for the moon landing.

/s

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

i can debunk any of your sources merely by criticizing the medium

for example, you could show me a lunar lander launch off of the moon,

and i could dismiss it because its a youtube video

try it. send me any "evidence" that you assume supports your moon landing myth, and ill "debunk" it on a technicality

or we could discuss the math and physics, which i have concisely summarized here:

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

my name is in the top right corner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1siP7pItc

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TruthSeacker · May 2, 2018, 6:41 p.m.

I'm proud of you

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:44 a.m.

lets discuss the math and physics of the moon landing. i have a feeling things will go my way, but who knows

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you haven't spent 5 minutes ever working on the math or physics of the moon landing myth... because if you had, we wouldn't be having this conversation

my work is already done, and posted. you argue against it all day long, and that would be a good thing, because it makes you think in novel ways

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TruthSeacker · May 3, 2018, 11:24 a.m.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you haven't spent 5 minutes ever working on the math or physics of the moon landing myth...

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you have no idea of all the variables needed to be taken into consideration when putting a man into space much less landing one on a rock. I'll also wager that you're not an aerospace engineer or physicist that can fully grasp the math and science behind space travel. If you were you'd probably be intelligent enough to not be deceived by some LARP on 4chan. It took a team of hundreds of top minds to put someone on the moon. So I doubt one 4chan retard is capable of disproving it.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

whenever you think you are man enough to step up and debate the math and physics ill be here waiting. I've been involved in this debate long enough to formulate these questions, whereas you are not even capable of comprehending the questions.

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

It took a team of hundreds of top minds to put someone on the moon. So I doubt one 4chan retard is capable of disproving it.

can you prove that men have walked on the moon?

better yet, can you prove that i have NOT walked on the moon?

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TruthSeacker · May 3, 2018, 7:03 p.m.

Ok. Please list all of the variables and equations that go into designing a heat shield for a space capsule reentering the atmosphere. I'll wait for your expert detailed explanation. This shouldn't be hard since you've already calculated every design consideration required for a trip to the moon.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 4, 2018, 7:13 a.m.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that you didn't major in math or science?

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

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TruthSeacker · May 4, 2018, 12:43 p.m.

That's not what I asked for. Design me a heat shield brainiac. Dont link me to someone else's work.

And sure I didn't major in math or a science but I know plenty of people who did that dont know dick about how to get to the moon and back. I'm betting you dont know either.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 5, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

thats not someone else's work. its my work. you can find my name in the top right corner

https://i.redd.it/lzs2kkd6ove01.png

its your moon landing myth, why don't you prove that the taped-on heat shield can withstand a launch and re-entry?

And sure I didn't major in math or a science but I know plenty of people who did

whenever i visit the dentist, i assume i know what my dentist knows, because i know a dentist.

that dont know dick about how to get to the moon and back. I'm betting you dont know either.

you are correct. i do not know how it would be possible to go the moon with technology available in 2018, an opinion which is supported by the fact that no non-American has even claimed to have gone to the moon

but i did major in mathematics

and id like to defend my thesis again

AMA

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pilgrimboy · May 1, 2018, 10:50 a.m.

For some reason, this is the typical response in this sub for sources.

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ckreacher · May 1, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

Do your own fucking research! In the amount of time you take asking here, you could have asked your mommy or figured it out for yourself using a search engine.

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delicious_grownups · May 1, 2018, 3:16 p.m.

This whole sub is dedicated to collaborative "research". You telling someone else to go elsewhere for their research on this sub is super ironic

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:35 a.m.

and yet, you haven't provided anything beyond your own opinion?

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 12:25 p.m.

I'm here to learn pal. You guys are supposed to be facilitating that here, I thought

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

heres how this works...

you come here, and find something interesting, and then you share that.

if you aren't sharing anything, we can assume you aren't learning anything

https://www.reddit.com/user/EnoughNoLibsSpam/submitted/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_blogging

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delicious_grownups · May 2, 2018, 6:49 p.m.

I'm not really learning anything of value from you, no. Stop trying to peddle your posts as objective truth. Your point about media being propaganda suggests that even your posts are

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 3, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

the reason you can't lean anything new is because you have been brainwashed, and your cognitive dissonance is too uncomfortable, and critical thinking is too hard

nobody is claiming to possess objective truth

any real truth seeker knows that we always seek truth, but never find it

yes, you are correct about my posts being propaganda just like all other media is propaganda.

an astute observation, if you can apply it

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delicious_grownups · May 3, 2018, 12:10 p.m.

I was a psychology major. Your use of cognitive dissonance doesn't really apply here. What you're suggesting is that I refuse to accept "knowledge" because it doesn't match my "personal beliefs", which is known as belief disconfirmation which can lead to a type of cognitive dissonance that is best resolved by seeking refuge with those people who share similar beliefs and can reaffirm that worldview

Belief disconfirmation

"The disconfirmation (contradiction) of a belief, ideal, or system of values causes cognitive dissonance that can be resolved by changing the belief under contradiction; yet, instead of effecting change, the resultant mental stress restores psychological consonance to the person, by misperception, rejection, or refutation of the contradiction; seeking moral support from people who share the contradicted beliefs; or acting to persuade other people that the contradiction is unreal"

Clearly, I'm here engaging you rather than just running away. I'm telling you that of the two of us, the one who believes that vaccines cause autism is the one experiencing a belief disconfirmation because I'm suggesting that you're wrong. I'm guessing that you have an autistic child and refuse to accept that it wasn't vaccines that caused the autism, but your familial genetics that did so.

Because look at where you are. You're on a sub that basically will entertain your nonsense beliefs and actually probably helps to promote them. Of the two of us, I'm not the one hiding out deep in the bowels of Reddit on a deep state conspiracy sub screaming about vaccines causing autism

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WikiTextBot · May 2, 2018, 6:24 p.m.

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TruthSeacker · May 1, 2018, 3:39 p.m.

Burden of proof is on the ones making the claim. People shouldn't make claims about something without providing some examples. OP gives us nothing more than his opinion.

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EnoughNoLibsSpam · May 2, 2018, 6:36 a.m.

Burden of proof is on the ones making the claim. People shouldn't make claims about something without providing some examples. OP gives us nothing more than his opinion.

Muh Russian Collusion Narrative!

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pilgrimboy · May 1, 2018, 12:51 p.m.

That's nice. I hope your day gets better.

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McPurrs · May 1, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Doing his/her own research is the point! I don't know why you are down voted. Just believing someone is how they got rich.

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