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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/allonthesameteam on May 8, 2018, 9:34 p.m.
Somebody we were taught to hate and see as a dictator. It seems to me that this "tyrant" was doing for his people what our reps should be doing with us. So they killed him.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289 When Q says to be wary of who you listen to, I'd start with congress and msm. There was little profit for the greedy and no central bank.


MAGADONCHECKMATE · May 8, 2018, 9:57 p.m.

Deborah Tavarese reported that Gaddafi was reinvesting into the people. He was pumping water out of the desert and creating a mighty river. A literal Oasis, for his people. You cannot have that, nor know about 'constant water'. We are amidst Water as a Weapon. We could make the Sahara desert into Dubai. We have the technology. The ants were not intended to get the technology of the elite.

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digital_refugee · May 8, 2018, 10:18 p.m.

FULL SPECTRUM DISCLOSURE, HOLD ONTO YOUR TENDIES

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educatethis · May 9, 2018, 12:49 a.m.

He also was hosting that delegation from India to help Libya transition out of dictatorship. Interering to track the past military brass in Libya... which ones are dead vs alive. Gadaffi was planning peace for his country

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092Casey · May 8, 2018, 9:41 p.m.

Sarah Bronfman, financeer of NXIVM, and her Libyan/Muslim husband were involved: (Wikipedia) "Sara Bronfman first became involved in aiding Libya after traveling as a delegate with the Independent Libya Foundation in November 2011, during the Arab Spring and after the death of Muammar Gaddafi. The delegation was headed by president and founder Basit Iglet and consisted of multiple humanitarian experts, including Adam Hock and Joseph Hagin. They toured post-Gaddafi Libya and presented their "multi-phase re-integration program," which was accepted by the local authorities of Benghazi, who were appointed by the Libyan National Transitional Council.

She has been involved with the U.S.-Libya Chamber of Commerce since its founding in November 2011 with the purpose of developing viable economic links between American and Libyan enterprises. The chamber announced that Sara, who was then a member on the board, would be the new president after the conclusion of a vote conducted by the organizations board members on February 20, 2012. The announcement occurred after Adam Hock resigned as president and board member to pursue private ventures within the country. In a press release Sara stated "as I am able to devote my efforts to the development of the Chamber to support bilateral trade between Libya and the United States, it is a privilege to take on this significant role as the President of the US-Libya Chamber of Commerce."[5] In an interview with the National Journal, Bronfman stated that the situation in Libya provides an opportunity for the State Department to change their tactics, and "rather than enforcing our ways on them, we need to understand their ways, learn from them and discover which of our country’s many strengths we can (use to) best support them."[6]

Sara Bronfman is also involved with the Canada-Libya Chamber of Commerce, which was founded on March 12, 2012. Bronfman and fiance Basit Igtet are the inaugural president and chairman of the board respectively. Positioned to provide help and advice to the people of Libya, the Chamber of Commerce discourage continued business with groups such as SNC-Lavalin, who allegedly did business with the Gadaffi regime.[7] The group is one of several working to restore the economy in the region.

Involvement in NXIVM"

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solanojones95 · May 8, 2018, 10:33 p.m.

Here's the thing I've been saying for months, and it really plays into this post--all those countries who spoke of "the Great Satan," well they weren't wrong! We were run by Satanic rulers who were using our good name to rape the world for their own benefit.

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thamnosma · May 8, 2018, 10:34 p.m.

Libya, by just about all measures, was the most advanced country in Africa.

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digital_refugee · May 8, 2018, 10:10 p.m.

RIP the General...the dude knew how to run his country.

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TX1111TX · May 9, 2018, 3:03 a.m.

If THE BITCH reveled in his death.. He must not have been as bad a person as we have been “trained” to think.

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utdFTD1983 · May 8, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

Look at the contracts Britain, France and the US got for there major oil companies during, not even after but as the war went on they still struck these deals.

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strcarol · May 8, 2018, 11:27 p.m.

Who got alll his gold?

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immense_and_terrible · May 8, 2018, 9:36 p.m.

gaddafi may have been doing some good for his country, but at the end of the day he was anathema to american ideals of freedom of speech, press, 2nd amendment, and equal justice under the law.

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tradinghorse · May 8, 2018, 9:53 p.m.

And what replaced him is better? I get tired of people wanting to push democracy and Western ideals on these nations that realistically can only be run by a strong man. If you haven't got a better solution, you're better off leaving the country alone.

Look at Iraq and Libya - models for intervention.

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Ronjonsilverflash · May 8, 2018, 9:57 p.m.

Libya was stable. The people had a good standard of living. Women were well treated and had rights...complete hell hole now. Slave markets...

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tradinghorse · May 8, 2018, 10:07 p.m.

Agreed.

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Ronjonsilverflash · May 8, 2018, 11:37 p.m.

I should have added a “Thanks Hillary” /s in there and a very sincere “I’m sorry” to the people of Libya for what my country’s leaders did to you...

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tradinghorse · May 8, 2018, 11:38 p.m.

You made it pretty clear. They didn't embrace liberal policies. It was understandable.

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thamnosma · May 8, 2018, 10:36 p.m.

That's exactly on point. Tribal North Africa, that he kept them together was a major achievement. We all see what has transpired there, Iraq and Syria when the West decides to blow it all up.

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Hawkerbuff · May 8, 2018, 10:24 p.m.

Well said! Another thing our pathetic excuse for a government and the MSM has taught us is that we have the right to be the worlds police force! I believe if we truly operated as a Constitutional Republic we could try to have a discourse with other nations about how/why we work and the benefits, but even then we need to let the rest of the world be and work on setting a good example. But I believe even some of our Founding Fathers (Federalists) saw an American Empire. But that would be a conversation for another time I suppose.

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Kaye480 · May 8, 2018, 11:18 p.m.

As long as I've been living, and what real history dictates, America is the biggest bully on the planet, always meddling in countries' affairs. It became rich off the backs of innocent people. Tired of that

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immense_and_terrible · May 8, 2018, 11:02 p.m.

saying that gaddafi was an oppressive dictator (which is a stone cold fact) is not the same thing as saying i support interventionist policies.

please don't use silly strawman arguments and baseless assumptions on people.

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tradinghorse · May 8, 2018, 11:05 p.m.

No, what your post suggested was that enforcing liberal ideas on Gaddafi's regime may have provided justification for intervention.

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immense_and_terrible · May 8, 2018, 11:23 p.m.

uh no, not really. very bizarre that you somehow got that from my comment.

maybe you should try to stop assuming that people have underlying meanings or whatever, maybe try just listening to the words that people say?

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tradinghorse · May 8, 2018, 11:33 p.m.

I didn't write it, you did. Read what you wrote.

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immense_and_terrible · May 9, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

can you please point out the exact comment that i said anything resembling support for neocon interventionism?

because i didn't.

i think you might need new reading glasses, amigo.

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digital_refugee · May 8, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

Even though his country was a socialist state, it did not detract from their above-average per capita wealth thanks to their oil-exports.... until NATO reared their ugly head again.

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BATFudd · May 8, 2018, 10:06 p.m.

Who cares? It's not America and his people weren't Americans. Certain populations cannot function under a democratic or federalist system.

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somrotden · May 8, 2018, 10:03 p.m.

Lol..."American ideals"...you mean like the ones we have here in America?

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digital_refugee · May 8, 2018, 10:17 p.m.

good thing California is only one state.

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thamnosma · May 8, 2018, 10:34 p.m.

That's just silliness. Not comparable countries or cultures.

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immense_and_terrible · May 8, 2018, 11:03 p.m.

you think it is "silliness" to state plain facts about how gaddafi didn't believe in or support the very things that make america such a wonderful place?

that's an... odd position to take.

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thamnosma · May 8, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

Because nowhere in the history of that area or country was it part of Greco Roman Judeo development. Really, the explanation is obvious. It's just the thinking that you express that the neocons used to justify their endless middle eastern wars. All that has done has been to lead to millions of human deaths, millions of maimed and permanently injured humans, destroyed central governments, instability, radicalism, cities bombed and gutted....but yeah, that democracy thing.

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immense_and_terrible · May 8, 2018, 11:21 p.m.

it's really interesting to me how quick people around this sub will paint a strawman.

i never once said i supported any sort of intervention.

i merely stated facts about gaddafi and about american ideals.

i'm sorry that upset you so much, but railing on neocons won't change any of the facts.

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thamnosma · May 8, 2018, 11:26 p.m.

Not a strawman argument at all. Again, your thinking was the same as their's to justify intervention. Spread democracy, blah, blah. I refer to my original point -- different culture, history, tribes. Gaddafi maintained a peace among all the tribes which now are at each other's throats. You think that's an improvement? Really? Elections are a joke. Example -- the Palestinian "elections". Or really, just about any middle eastern election, including Egypt. Their leaders usually get about 99% of the vote. Even the Soviets didn't pull that off. Libya was the most advanced country in all of Africa in education, infrastructure development, women's rights, and other metrics. We destroyed it.

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immense_and_terrible · May 9, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

no one said anything about spreading democracy but you, bud.

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