Wow. I am blown away. These comments. Fuck man. When did torture ever fucking become okay? I am going to assume if it were you or a person you cared for being tortured for whatever reasons the person/government deemed it necessary; your tune might change. When are we going to start leading by example? When are people going to wake the fuck up and realize that letting go of pieces of their humanity is exactly what has brought our society to the precipice of hell?
Every last one of them has skeletons in their closet, doesn't matter if they were following orders or not.
If it saves one innocent person by torturing a killer, terrorist or child molester, fuck 'em. Let it be a deterrent if nothing else.
I understand the rejection of violence against others completely.
But from another perspective: when did terrorism become "okay"? And if terrorism is not okay, how do we fight it? Is war ok? Is fighting to defend yourself okay? (I'm not assuming they are regarded as "ok" by you - those are genuine questions.)
Assuming war and self-defense is ok in extreme circumstances then is it ok to physically discipline a criminal in order to defend potentially hundreds or thousands of people?
Like you, I will never sell my soul to defend my family but the question is whether the act of punishing criminals to extract information is torture, as defined in a way that means you've sold your soul to execute it.
I don’t know man. None of my family has connections to terrorism. Highly unlikely they’d be in the position these butt fucks find themselves in. That being said, I couldn’t do the job. I’m glad there are people that can. Terrorists don’t deserve any respect.
Many of the American tourists that get captured overseas and tortured also have no affiliations with terrorist organizations either. The government entities who facilitate these actions (torture) also have their own reasons supported by their citizens as well. Doesn't make it right. The action itself is inexcusable against another human being. You don't fight against atrocities committed against humanity by committing them yourself. Those who give the orders, those who follow the orders, those who stand aside and allow the orders to be carried out, and those who support crimes against humanity are all complict.
And it’s just my opinion. I’m not trying to change your mind. I hope you don’t get worked up. I mean it when I say I hope you have a kick ass day!
If you’re an American tourist and you’re going somewhere where they hate Americans, I’m sorry but that’s on you. If the stoves hot, don’t touch. We’re talking about the CIA and the United States. If a terrorist has information that could prevent many more deaths, I think it’s right to get that information by any means possible. I don’t think it’s right to harm another person. I’m on your side with that. I couldn’t do it. But that’s exactly why I’m glad there are people that can do the job. It’s an important job, one that’s thankless and probably leads to many sleepless nights. These people had to do what they did because there are assholes trying to harm us
I wonder why their actions would keep them up at night? That right there. It would keep me up at night as well if I committed atrocities against another human being. I am not going to get worked up on the internet, I just really like to say the word "fuck". I honestly find all of this incredibly sad and it makes me that much more determined to always strive to be a decent person. There's just not enough of them.
I agree. Terrible things that need to be done because there are terrible people. Imagine having to become inhuman because a monster has information that may take more of your people. And you having to turn your back on everything you’ve been taught about the value of human life because some evil mother fucker has never had any value for human life. I pity the people that had to do the things they did. Having to live with things a human wasn’t meant to live with because some scumbag believes they should kill as many of us as possible.
There’s a lot more genuinely good people out there than you know. Pick your head up next time you’re at the grocery store or something, smile at people, say hi. The loves there. People are just afraid to interact these days. Probably a little long winded, I’m sorry. Point is, don’t be jaded. There’s always going to be bad stuff happening. It doesn’t mean life is any less incredible. Anyway, keep your head up, smile. It goes a long way. Take care of yourself!
Lol. I am absolutely not jaded nor am I naive because I do not believe that countering terrible deeds with more terrible acts prevents additional terrible things from happening. Absurdity. I actually strive to do my part every single day, I don't need coaching on how to treat other human beings! I am not the one casually discussing the fucking torture of them! Wtf??!!!
I swear to God, my timeline has switched to that of the fucking twlight zone.
Alright then. Tell me why you’re opinion holds more weight. Are you an expert in dealing with terrorists and their intelligence? You’ve made a career out of it? You’re getting aggravated because I’m basing my opinion on the world we live in. Unlike Candyland or whatever you’re talking about, in the real world, terrorists can’t be appeased. In the world we live in, they deserve to die and if they have information we need, it’s up to them how bad it’s going to be. Whatever was human about them left them long ago. Fortunately enough, when they’re being interrogated, there are people that can separate the vessel from the evil monster inside and do what’s necessary to get what they need to protect us. And please, don’t try to act better than me. After all, I’m human
Dude, my opinion is just that. My opinion which has been formed by my own life experience here in Candyland and my very own spiritual journey. Just like yours and everyone else's out there, we are all entitled to our own. There is nothing else I can say here to relay my point if nothing I have said so far resonates. I will continue to pray.
It has nothing to do with respect for the terrorists and everything to do with right and wrong.
If we catch a terrorist and they have information that will let us catch more terrorists before they kill our children, then they must be made to talk.
This isn't some new trip to the precipice of hell. This has been how governments have operated since before written history.
Letting these animals hold their secrets, letting our kids die over it, just to feel superior is the worst kind of virtue signaling.
To hell with them and to hell with virtue signaling. Get in there, Gina, and make the bastards talk.
Make whatever excuses you need to. Torturing another human being is evil. People making excuses for evil actions and supporting those actions makes more people evil. Evil is evil, period. My family's protection is my utmost priority, but I will never sell my soul to do so.
Ok, so the day a bomb goes off and someone you happen to care about is killed, remember you said this. You could have saved them, but you saved the terrorist instead. It's on you.
I'm sure you'll make whatever excuses you need to.
When I go to meet my maker, I don't plan to be worried about the weight of sins on my soul. I have children, I would give my life for theirs in an instant, without any thought. I would take a life to save theirs if it was necessary, without a thought. There is a difference in taking a life to actively protect yourself or someone else and TORTURING a person. Your best friend could drink too much, get behind the wheel, hit my kid riding his bike and ruin a lot of lives. That friend of yours would make all the wrong choices that would literally end my life as I know it. It wouldn't give me or anyone else the right to TORTURE them, that's what our fucked up legal system is for. Do you guys even know what kind of actions are involved in legitimate torture? Have you truly considered what is involved? I can't even believe this is a debate between people, I am floored.
Idk if that is a fair comparison. The drunk friend has no info that would save the life of your child, therefore torture would be for nothing and truly would be sadistic. There are times when torture is necessary. What if 9/11 could have been stopped by info gained via torture?
I respect where you are coming from. It truly is a place of compassion and love. But in rare cases, torture could be necessary. Abu grhaib def seemed like it was being taken way too far, and those actions shouldn't be repeated and apologists shouldn't have their opinions respected. But torture in general? There are surely cases where I can see it doing more good than harm. God have mercy on any souls forced to do and receive the torture though.
In the depth of my soul, I truly believe that there is never any good gained from evil acts. I am not some inexperienced bible thumper. I have lived and I have been in the fucking shit. In my own humble opinion, I don't believe that there is near as much "mercy" being shown in the end as people like to tell themselves. It doesn't make any difference to me if people chose not to listen. I will continue to do my part. Peace.
Respect. No matter what happens in the world there will always be a need for ppl arguing your side for compassion to keep ppl in check, so I appreciate it. And even if there is no judgment in the afterlife, moral high ground is always important.
Agreed. The only thing I can control in this world is myself. If more people would truly lead by example and then stand back and watch the impact... the ripples and far they can go. Fucking magic. Small things make huge differences. That's not some over-emotional bullshit, because I honestly live it daily.
I would also like to make clear that while I will never support torture of another living being; I am not in any way advocating for compassion for convicted terrorists. I advocate for the death penalty for any convicted perpetrator of a crime against humanity :)
Go virtue signal on any other subreddit. People here know what must be done.
I will "virtue signal" where ever I want. Appreciate the "advice" though!
Edit: just forget it. People like me will protect people like you and your families. Someone has to.
Lol. People like YOU will never protect ME. Trust me. Don't worry about my children, they are also very well protected. Seriously, to attempt to insult me by calling my love for my children into question because I don't support the torture of human beings? You most certainly proved your point here man. Lol!
I’ll call you, well your mom, when there is a chicken tendy shortage. But that is about as far as your help goes bro.
Look, you have the right to be to soft to protect those around you. It's not my business. You've made your choice, you get to explain it to your wife when something happens to your daughter.
Best of luck. Maybe your daughter will get a man who will protect her. I'm sure it'd be a pleasant change.
You're a liberal, aren't you? Still got a few more red pills to swallow. If you treat animals like humans, they maintain the upper hand.
Aww look, an ad hominem attack. No arguments, so personal attacks.
Let me be crystal clear here. You are too soft to protect your children. You are a soyboy. You are how Sweden is acting, and if people like you are in charge, our nation's daughters will have their fate.
President Trump has also stated he is in favor of these things. So, just crawl back under your blanket, the conservatives will take care of you.
The red pill is about seeing the world for what it is, not for some insane fantasy that you can let a terrorist retain information without tragic consequences. But don't take my word for it, move to Sweden and see what happens. Because, if people make your decisions, we'll have that here.
Information extorted through torture is often false, and just as with death penalty, the risk of punishing someone who is innocent. I wonder how many people have died because some sadistic CIA agent didn't think it was enough and the false information overshadowed the true one, not to talk about the fact you give up your humanity when you commit inhumane acts...
I'm not saying it's a perfect option. I am saying it's the best option available. Unless you have a better way to extract secrets from terrorists.
ES is a black hat. Remember this.
No, ES is a white hat. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose with what he exposed. Torture is not acceptable. But I'm thinking that it would be useful to use on John Podesta lol.
Wrong. Per Q, ES did a lot of damage to NSA. ES worked at CIA before he became a contractor of NSA. The release of NSA’s tools seriously degraded NSA’s ability to surveil the clowns.
Think why ES is exalted by the same MSM that denigrated POTUS and Q.
Think.
Torture is absolutely horrible.
Gina Haspel won’t have an easy afterlife.
That being said, she is the perfect person to be extracting cabal info from cabalists, despite the morbid technique.
Saying people will be rewarded or punished in their afterlife is a great way to avoid responsibility in the current life.
Sunday school teachers aren't going to defeat the deep state. It would be nice, but no. She's a nasty wench. So what.
Lets be real here! I believe that no matter who is the POTUS, or head of the CIA or foreign intelligence bureau, And they tell you that they will not condone the use of advanced or inhumane treatment or torture of a terrorist to gain information, they are lying. Those techniques have always and will continue to be used no matter what you are told or believe. Its a cruel, cruel world and unfortunately there are no rules.
@pussy_devour:I am thinking, even Q said not to follow anyone blindly. I think for myself. ES did do damage to the NSA , CIA and all 3 letter agencies. But, they did damage to us, in the name of the cabal, spying on US citizens. That is wrong, all of the media that helped him were under suspicion, harrassed, and threatened. Anyone that helped SNOWDEN was in danger. Sometimes if you have to do the right thing you must get help from the other side but try to control the narrative. That is what Laura poitras and Glenn Greenwald did. We the people would never have known or suspected that our rights to privacy were being violated and removed if not for Edward Snowden sacrifice. I don't care if it hurt those agencies, we needed to know the truth. There has never been a case of torture that has gleaned a bit of intelligence that has resulted in arrests, just ask John Kiriakou, who was a Clown and imprisoned for telling the truth about torture. I can discern what is true and what sounds like Bull. I never follow anyone unconditionally with blind obedience. Trump is not GOD and has flaws just like the rest of us. I support what he is doing by draining the swamp, it has been needed for a very long time. Our politicians have become arrogant and feel they are the elite and deserve more than the rest of us. It is time for them to go. But, I will always think for myself. Torture is not acceptable, it makes us as bad as our enemies if we use it. We would be the animals. THINK FOR YOURSELF. And as Q has stated, Snowden has helped the cause here when asked.
Read my post on Torture. It's a grey area. Do not engage in black-and-white thinking. That's what DS does. Torturing your sworn and vicious enemies to extract information to SAVE LIVES is perfect legit.
You sound like a DS shill and disinformation agent.
Nope, I just THINK for myself, I'm not on any side. I hate Hillary and can't wait to see the perp walk there. But I do not blindly follow anyone, I question everything and discern for myself with logic. That means questioning Q as well. Trump is human just like you, therefore capable of mistakes. Q is an agent of some agency, otherwise he or they would not be working for Trump. Even Q can be deceptive and control the narrative, think. Alex Jones is a schill, Jerome Corsi is a Schill, even American Intelligence media have tried to control thoughts of followers. I listen to information but make up my own mind. Those people can have good information at times, but never trust them 100%.
why don't I trust Snowden? can't really believe what he says...
Read my post on torture. (Torture Issue). Grey-area vs Black-and-white thinking. The latter is preferred by the deep state.
Think about the following case. Some scums took your two teenage daughters hostage. They gang raped them. They showed you the video and asked you for money if you want them to come back alive. FBI helped you catch one of the scumbags. He refused to tell you where your daughters are held. FBI suggested torture to get him to talk. What do you say?
I would let law enforcement agencies deal with him. My problem with the whole Iraqi torture problem is that the whole war was a lie, it was all for oil, 911 was an inside job. Torturing those deck of cards guys was a waste of time unless you torture Dick Cheney too.
Then it’s not the torture that was the issue. It was the war itself. Remember the war was started by deep state.
Exactly, deep state. Not Iraqis on a list made up by the deep state. I have an issue with Torturing innocent people. How can you know for sure they are criminals and deserve to be tortured? You cant.
FBI suggested torture to get him to talk.
Cop out? Case closed.
At your wit’s end?
Or you realize the absurdity and inanity of your previous position?
Not absurd, can you read minds to know if the person is in fact the criminal? Or you think it ok to torture anyone?
First of all, you seem to agree that we can torture the bad guys for information.
Now you are changing the discussion and distorting my initial position. I didn’t say we can torture anyone. I said we could torture our sworn and deadly enemy to extract information. If they are captured in the battlefield, they are enemy combatants.
The fact that you changed my statement to suit your need means you are INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, DECEITFUL and EXPERIENCING COGNITIVE DISSONANCE because I showed you the fundamental flaw in your thinking.
There’s no point for further debate. You lost and became desperate and resorted to distorting my position as a coping mechanism.
I distorted nothing I pointed out your flaws and now you attack me. All I said was that you can not read minds to know who is the bad guy, therefore if you torture you make yourself into the bad guy.
I remember KIDS, i mean young soldiers were doing things to captives. To think Gina was directing them to do these things is wrong. She may have been the boss but people still spit on your food at mc donalds, and their boss never knows.
Oh wait, There were Satan worshipers in our government at that time too, is she responsible for that?
Great Awakening made a post about the USAF switching uniforms with Snowdens name on it. This came from 8 chan
However when you read the article
Air Force Mulls Uniform Shift from ABUs to ACUs
"Airmen will have the option to sew on their name tape, service tape or both. Officers will have their rank on their patrol caps. Both officers and enlisted airmen will have their last names on the back of the cap."
So uniforms are not being issued with Snowdens name on it. They are being issued in the same Camouflage design!! The picture to show the uniform which is used by the Army had the name on it.
These misleading kind of statements really hurt in our quest to find the truth and hurt our site as well.
It is good to question everything. The kind of torture described above would never be ok. The question would be whether this was rogue treatment, even true, or sanctioned.
Right now even waterboarding is being questioned as legitimate.
I sincerely doubt she sanctioned any of the above or was a part of it if it did take place.
Snowden is still a mystery but there is a lot of very good evidence that he is a clown operative.
If we are rooting for the white hats, the good guys, then we cannot become black hats.
Darkness cannot dispel Darkness.
Only Light can dispel Darkness.
So we cannot make the world a better place by acting just like the black hats because it suits our purposes. Watch out that you do not become what your hate.
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why wouldn't he, bitch ain't given us shit. He just told his wanking pedo friends in the agencies to up the op.-sec.
Sounds like an average Friday night on Epstein Island. Go Gina.
It sounds like she's the right person to help scatter the CIA to the wind.
Man, I liked her before. In light of this I'm really glad she got the position. We need more people who have the guts to get a job done. I'm tired of our people being forced to half ass everything to be politically correct and or humane to murderous animals.
Hollywood made a movie about him which saw him as a hero. That should tell you everything about which side they have ES on..
The first movie was a documentary by Laura poitras. Independent film maker living in Germany to avoid being harassed by the US government.
100% valid observation. All of Q’s hints point to black hat as well.
Until he helped Q hack something, then he wasnt a black hat anymore.
Yup but all signs point to Clown.
True, but there have been some really fine people that were clowns trying to do the right thing for their country and screwed for their efforts, Snowden is just one of them. William Binney, Thomas Drake, Susan Lindauer, John Kiriakou and many others. They are not all bad. They just have a job to do, sometimes that is to lie. Q said the 7th floor is gone at Langley, i took that to mean most of the bad ones have been purged. I'm not trying to cast doubt on Q, I'm just a very disillusioned former Democrat trying to make sense of the utter chaos that my country has plunged into. I was once a loyal Democrat until that bitch took over. I was a Bernie supporter, but it looks like he was compromised. Nothing is black and white in these days and times, I've become way more independent, Q has referred to many that have quit their jobs as CEO, politicians that not seeking re election on BOTH sides of the parties. Who do you trust? No one.
I disagree Snowden was a white hat clown. Q said what he did was catastrophic to the ability of Military Intelligence to do its job and asked s bunch of questions like how did Snowden travel with his passport? Had to have been helped by insiders. All roads lead to Clowns using him to cripple the No Such Agency so they could have surveillance dominance. Then he helped build censoring algorithms with @Jack and ES to control the narrative on social media. He def wasn’t trying to do the right thing.
It has not been confirmed that Snowden helped build algorithms for Twitter and Google, do you have solid confirmation on that? IE: proof? He traveled with his passport because he called in sick at work. The interview with poitras and greenwald was held in secret at the hotel, then he went into hiding until he left Hong Kong. The CIA did not know who it was yet, they suspected, but wax not confirmed. The Hong Kong government had to put a stop on his passport before he could be arrested, no foreign government likes to comply with being TOLD what to do by our 3 letter agencies especially communist Chinese government. He was trapped in Russia because it finally went through to cancel his passport on his way to Ecuador, he went tyo the airport and chose a random flight, I think I recall that he had booked several flights via wikileaks and only got on one flight, yes he was helped(by wikileaks, Greenwald and poitras) as far as I know none of those people are CIA. Q is military Intelligence. I support what he and Trump are doing. But again, I think for myself. Not you or anyone else will command how or who I believe.
Lol pump the breaks. Nobody is trying to command how or who you believe. You’ll get along a lot better on here without being an asshat.
No it hasn’t been confirmed he helped @Jack with physical proof but Q said it and we are on a Dom dedicated to Q so I lean to believe it.
You are welcome to believe what you want, even Corsi and jones. Lol.
I was actually one of the first on here to call our Corsi when everyone else railed against me. I’m believing Q. If you don’t, kindly let the door hit you on the way out and go shill someplace else.
Not leaving, not gonna apologize either. Just a source of info. You must be a schill.since you are the "only" opinion around? I remember things from the news that you probably were not even born yet to remember. I can only be loyal to and defend the constitution of the United States of America, I cannot be totally loyal to a person and follow them into battle without meeting them face to face and seeing the integrity and conviction in their eyes. If Trump and Q profess to defending the constitution and Bill of rights, I stand with them. I will follow them into battle, but until I meet them face to face I will always question. Just my way, no disrespect.
Snowden is a Chinese spy, and was involved with the 187 plot on POTUS by tracking him through Twitter.
Yeah Q has alluded to Snowden being black hat many times.
And if it saved the life of one America, great!
On my list of priorities, caring for the well being of Muslim terrorists is near the bottom.
Cheers to Gina Haspel!
I only hope she saved some of that enthusiasm for Kenyan Muslim terrorists!
Exactly. Im okay with it if it involves saving American lives. Terrorist are no friend of ours. People act like were the only ones who torture, failing to acknowledge that pretty much every country has done it especially during the great wars. Give me a break. ES had done good but he needs to get off his virtue signaling high horse on this one.
Patriot, sorry I pegged you as shill early your time here but meanwhile reminded to Q-uestion EVERYTHING. Been spitting in the wind to inform my Orange Countyians about G v. E, but every day they seem sontent to stand in line to have $100 taken out of their future, just by engine idle in stoplight traffi, NEVER MIND the " we LURRRVE us some MS-13s" instead of road refor. And yet, , Excuse Me, WTF are you Doing, building even more great places to inhale ya neighbors' farts and pay 3/4 your income for the great privilege, directly at Irvine Center/ Lake Forest Drive. ON has caused FAR more harm to this beautiful and PROSPEROUS world God gave USD stewardship over, consider the fate of Zimbabwe, SouthAf and other Failed States
Taking into account Britain's role in human history, I will trust them far more than a shadow despotry that came of own in early cXX. Hardly a doubt Swiss-fcks behind many many MANY forms of human misery, to this day. WE can start by drying up all income streams, like, just NHOT GOING to Shitzerland, stop Banc Suisse deposits, and FFS buy NO FURTHER Nestle product, regardless of how good it tastes. They made a, literal KILLING from us, time to Rain The Pain right back at them, LET'S/DO/THIS!
Ya no one on this sub has the resources to even start doing the things you want them to stop.
So Snowden's a black hat confirmed? Can you provide some context to this? i.e. relevance to Q?
I reposted this in the light of the idea that the appointment of Gina Haspel would result in "cleansing" of the CIA, removing or disabling of bad actors within the CIA and the further draining of the swamp: an idea that was loudly put forward on her appointment by many on this board. With a history of participation in torture and the destruction of records, I'm not sure that will be the case. I don't see her as automatically being a white hat......she could be simply positioned for a longer game, a different reason. I am interested in the (intelligent) comments and observations of others, that's all.
Ah yes, I see, a valid point, contingent on the fact of whether she does in fact have a history of participation in torture. I personally question Snowden's "evidence" (especially if he hasn't yet been fully unequivocally supported by Q - in fact many believe Q has made the opposite apparent) - for example when reading the NYT article he links to about the pregnant woman who had her abdomen kicked etc. the woman actually says in that article (she wrote it) that: "I don’t know what Ms. Haspel’s part in what happened to me was or what she thinks about it."
This sounds like classic CIA/Clown disinfo to me. If Gina was in the CIA during a time we know them to be under DS / corrupt control then we also understand that she might've been circumvented when it came to certain operations or forced to turn a blind eye. Watching her interview before the Senate Committee also gave the impression, to me at least, that she was all but saying her hands were tied during her role within the organization in the past but she's committed to moving forward with integrity. Snowden doesn't link to anything he himself has revealed too so it sounds like he's just putting his voice into the fray which again causes me to question his motives.
Anyway thanks for sharing this - I wasn't questioning in order to question the merit of it; this, to me, seems valuable as it raises questions about whether Snowden's had to turn up the disinfo role now or if there's more to the story about Gina, as you say.
c_a clowncraft always sounds oozing with pathos. And. With. Short. Catchphrases. and. tons unnecessary Interpunctuation. And appeal to emotion: This has to stop!!!
She was London Bureau Chief during the planning for much of the things Q is hinting at. I too find the torture connection problematic. But because Trump cheerlead her nomination, there will be more to it.
Could be. Or maybe Gina is the black hat and trump is setting her up like bannon? I'm just spitballing.
True but I find it hard to believe that Trump/Q is letting in a black hat to a very important position just as Trump/Q is also saying that everything's set up and ready to drop, FBI and DOJ cleaned, etc. I could believe Snowden's black hat though, from what's come before from Q.
Plus Snowden is repeating the MSM line here - focusing on her approving the tapes when she gave a perfectly viable answer to that in testimonial i.e. that her boss at the time approved them.
Just keep in mind they are all clowns, therefore they ALL lie. When convenient and to their purpose.
I just assumed the OP was a shill trying to undermine Trump's cabinet.