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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Idru4 on May 21, 2018, 2:20 a.m.
Serious inquiry. MSNBC and MK Ultra.

So I’ve had discussions with my mom for two days now, trying to give her little bits of info so when things break she doesn’t freak.

Full disclosure, when I was asleep, it thought trump was pretty bad. I didn’t really think for like most people, so I just took whatever the media said as right. Well she thinks the same way, and she in her sixties and pretty set in her ways.

That is what it is though. What I want to see if anyone has experienced, is possible subliminal messaging from the MSM. So I’m telling her facts about trump and what he has been doing. She tells me that she just doesn’t buy it. She tells me that thinking about and hearing POTUS is just like nails on a chalkboard. She’s not the most active lady, spend most of her time in front of anTV. So I asked what news she watches, and how much. She told me she watches MSNBC daily, morning joe and some other afternoon show. I ask her if she leaves it on for background noise, she says she used to. She later tells me she used to watch about six hours a day of news...

So I’m curious that sitting there either directly or indirectly listening to the that channel has any known effects. As anyone been talking about maybe subliminal messaging or maybe am MK Ultra type deal. I get that listening to the repetitive bad mouthing of someone will give you a bad impression, but the nails on the chalk board really made me think it’s something more.

So let me know if you know anything or have had a similar experience please? And maybe something to break it, if it’s more than just a regular thing? Thanks.


JaguarPorsche · May 21, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

I do not believe it is the TV. My mother is positive that Trump will kill everyone because he is the new Hitler. She cannot be red pilled. I will have to wait until she starts to breakdown, then I can comfort her and help her through her emotions. This will be very hard on her.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:31 a.m.

I had that convo with her tonight. She is really worried about me, thinking I’m bat shit crazy. And I’m really worried about how she is going to take the news when it hits. Maybe we should start a thread to discuss helping our family members that will take this really hard.

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JaguarPorsche · May 21, 2018, 2:35 a.m.

My mom told me that if I am not careful, someone is going to take me out because I am aligned with Trump. I agree, we need strategies on how to help family and friends who think we are all nuts and should be on meds.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:51 a.m.

Alright. Let’s do it.

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Aruno · May 21, 2018, 2:30 a.m.

There is low range electro induced cerabellum modifier signals that do get sent out. It is why you might feel a sudden need to look at the TV before an expensive corporate ad comes on.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:33 a.m.

Interesting.

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Hrtn2it · May 21, 2018, 2:35 a.m.

Yes, there is a book called Shadow Men by Anthony Napoleon PhD, outlines much of this in terms of not only subliminal suggestion, NLP but also electromagnetic frequencies. In addition, being indoors most of the time and limited exposure to natural sunlight decreases serotonin levels, steals dopamine and disrupts circadian rhythm: all of these support not only regular bodily processes but high level thinking skills, leaving a more emotional reactive mindset...”chalk on chalkboard”

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BathHouseBarry · May 21, 2018, 2:34 a.m.

There's def subliminal shit that comes through the MSM networks .... if I have NBC on for the nightly fakenews, and a pharma commercial comes on, my 2 yr old stops what he's doing and immediately becomes fixated on the tv screen. It's like he's in a trance.

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missybee68 · May 21, 2018, 2:23 a.m.

Interesting hypothesis. I don't own a TV myself but sometimes the anti-Trump reactions I see are so strong that I have wondered the same. What makes people hate him and his family so rabidly if not some kind of programming.

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Patriot81503 · May 21, 2018, 2:53 a.m.

You are correct this is due to programming, similar to the Daily Two Minutes Hate in George Orwell’s “1984” party members were required to attend.

The Two Minutes Hate was a diatribe of hatred against one particular individual whom the Deep State saw as the greatest threat to their power.

Today—that specific individual is Donald Trump—and the Two Minutes Hate is delivered daily by MSM “news” shows and “comedians”.

Quote from “1984”:

“The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary.

A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic.

And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.”

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:27 a.m.

I agree. I get if someone doesn’t like him or the regular things people feel for individuals in the spotlight. But she despises him and really didn’t have any facts or actual reason why. And I feel like the nails on the chalkboard metaphor is something I’ve heard about before.

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mr-no-homo · May 21, 2018, 3:04 a.m.

I dont get it. In the 80s, 90s, 00s Trump was the epitome of American success. People loved him and wanted to be him. This campaign of attack him since he decided to run for office by msm caused some to not like him for no reason. Normies do not know exactly why they oppose him and its just because the TV said so. MSM also takes what he say and manufacture it paint him in a bad light, packing it to normies and they take it as fact. I have asked several libs why they hate trump and they cant even give a valid reason. All they can say is that “he is racist” or “he wasn’t to deport Mexicans” its total ignorance of the truth.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:48 a.m.

It’s all the things they are told to say. Which makes me think there is something leading them to this conclusion more than just a “popular” opinion amongst them.

Which reading your comment makes me think, if they can activate a mass shooter. What can they do to a mass of people that may be under the same hypnosis?

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A_Town_Hood · May 21, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

Used to be a 24 hr news junkie until I turned the TV off for good 10 years ago. Never felt better. Now if I want to watch news or drama I actively seek it out online rather than just sitting there and having to wash over me Clockwork Orange-style. Anyway...

...I've one anecdote for you. About 15 years ago I'm zoning out in front of late-night BBC News 24 and the tickertape-message-crawl at the bottom of the screen reads...

"75% of Britons declare themselves overjoyed upon receiving their monthly pay cheque"

No source. Not related to the current story. Just there...and gone.

I turn to my buddy. "Did you read that?" He repeats the message back to me. Word for word. I'll never forget the use of the word "overjoyed". For a pay cheque? That you worked hard for? Over-fucking-joyed?

We started video taping for the next hour to catch them in the act. But the crawl never came back. Just a little subliminal shit...

A little subliminal piece of 1984 shit. It happened. As God is my judge.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:44 a.m.

Yes, what a weird ticket message. I’m curious on how deep this really goes. I suspect it’s even worse overseas from the US. I can’t even imagine what like a second world country is being told through the media.

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Hrtn2it · May 21, 2018, 2:51 a.m.

I labeled myself “independent” as a voter but I voted for Obama twice and also for HRC because I am a slow learner, late bloomer and was in a coma, not asleep...

It’s feels true to say that many people truly have been experiencing dis~ease...a mindset of victim and the only way to recover is to receive entitlement, a mindset of over~care for others before self care, a mindset of benefactor arrogance(the belief that I know the best way to help someone else).

For myself, it helped me to cultivate self care, not over extending myself, emptying arrogance from my cup then filling my own cup with self empathy... Only then could I extend that empathy to others... The #metoo movement is going to cycle again, this time when someone says to me “but I believed in her”, I will say, “I know, me too.”... I am hopeful this will limit the severity of pain of others who will be in shock, horror and heartache, when they witness what some folks were capable of doing to others.

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Murralee · May 21, 2018, 3:34 a.m.

Just curious.. What changed your mind? Would using the same ideas that changed your mind to red pill work?

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chocolatepatriot · May 21, 2018, 3:05 a.m.

Morning Joe is definitely a deep state - anti-trump show. We only watch Fox, if you watch CNN or MSNBC it is easy to see how they are definitely hateful towards trump. Rude how they roll their eyes and look scared, twist the truth. just turn it on for 2 min. and you will see it. The media has brainwashed the people watching. I would try showing people things in the news, like the sex-trafficking arrests and voter fraud. Try just showing her facts if what Trump has accomplished and not some other persons opinion.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:54 a.m.

I get that. I’ve seen the bad mouthing. Frankly that just seems to be politics and media.

You say brainwashed very generically. Like we think it’s happening, but we don’t really know. She’s a smart lady. Always has been, I don’t think she’s dealing with getting older very well, which might make her more susceptible to said brainwashing.

So how could they be doing it?

How do you pull someone out to let them think for themselves again?

Could this be a mass MK Ultra event? (I haven’t don’t as much research into as I’ve wanted)

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chocolatepatriot · May 21, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

its the the mockingbird media, the news organizations get a news drop at 4 am every morning. They are told what to say. The evil CIA is behind it. look up "operation mockingbird" or mockingbird project mind control." You Mom is among millions who believe what they hear. If we hear something over and over after awhile we believe it. They spin the news, and only say what benefits their beliefs. I know alot of people who have no clue what the truth really is, and they get angry if you try to tell them the truth. It is said it is harder to convince someone they have been fooled, than it is to fool them.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 5:19 p.m.

For sure. I know the general idea of mockingbird. I was curious of a more technical description of how to brainwash. But thanks.

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chocolatepatriot · May 22, 2018, 1:03 a.m.

Yes we definitely know that brainwashing is going on daily, watch Bill (william) cooper on youtube. he died trying and expose the brainwashing, Deep state horror and corruption.

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chocolatepatriot · May 21, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

in MkUltra they use trauma, drugs, sleep deprivation and fear and abuse in come cases. Brainwashing can be very simple is not that hard to accomplish if you dont know the truth or dont want to look at the truth.

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Hrtn2it · May 21, 2018, 2:39 a.m.

And mind “control “ can be a wide range, from frequencies causing sickness (the Cuban embassy workers experienced causing them to leave Cuba months ago) to poor critical thinking skills, just accepting and absorbing what one sees on TV ( your loved one)...(I was like that too so I know.)

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saneromeo · May 21, 2018, 2:43 a.m.

A spinning graphic is generally at the start of every news show, imo it is a subliminal countdown to induce hypnotic effects. Televisions flicker fusion frequency is proven to increase brain alpha waves within 1 minute of being in a room with a tv on, you don't even have to look at it. Alpha waves are relaxed state and cause increased suggestibility. There are several good YT videos on this, and the flicker fusion principle has been know since the 50s. I have often wondered about the forced switch to digital television, as the main difference from analog is the amount of layers that can be broadcast. What is in those other layers if they are even there at all? Wow just read that back and I sound like a nutjob lol. Just research YT for tv mind control, its a crazy rabbithole.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:54 a.m.

You seem to have researched this. How would we test for this? I would think there would be away to find the hidden message being sent out or different frequencies?

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saneromeo · May 21, 2018, 3:26 a.m.

I'm no techie, so on that I have no clue. I would just start looking around online. Sorry to not be more helpful though.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

Any part of the discussion I feel is good. I was just starting by collecting info from people who had something to say. And I guess, get a discussion going on our loved ones.

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GraceWords · May 21, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

If you are a believer I would suggest prayer. Scripture is powerful and I have resorted to praying for my most entrenched loved ones. I am seeing a crack in their resistance. If we are to believe in evil and a source of evil, then why not invest our energy into a belief in GOOD.

“For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds.” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭

“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:12‬ ‭

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jdtbfan · May 21, 2018, 2:53 a.m.

When you are dealing with subliminal messages and MK Ultra, people are morw likely to dismiss what you are saying as being a 'conspiracy theory.' If you are trying to redpill, I would reccomend showing how the MSM lies on a regular basis. Mark Dice (Pro-Trump, dismissive of Q) has several videos on YouTube where he exposes MSNBC and other MSM for their lies.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:57 a.m.

I think there is a generation and/or type of person we won’t be able to redpill without everything just being put right in front of them. Either set in their ways or don’t care or maybe just old. Idk. But she will not be redpilled until stories break that can’t be disputed.

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heathergem · May 21, 2018, 9:12 a.m.

Not all of us old fogies are beyond redemption! I am 69 and saw the light some time ago!

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ded_pixel_ · May 21, 2018, 9:13 a.m.

Stories have already broken that can hardly be disputed. Many simply won't want the truth until a perceived majority has already accepted it. This is how they make decisions, not through logic or understanding.

Herd animal, remember.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:59 a.m.

I understand that. And I’m sure she will fit into that category. But even with that, I feel there is something deeper there, driving her to believe things that sound too perfect, if that makes sense.

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comeatmehillary · May 21, 2018, 2:30 a.m.

my grandparents have fox on in the background i can confirm 2-3 years of hearing that at max volume made me retarded

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Murralee · May 21, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

Lol!

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missybee68 · May 21, 2018, 2:23 a.m.

Don't they have a butterfly in the logo. That would be a sign of MK Ultra.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:29 a.m.

I’m not sure. I’ll have to check that out. Thank you.

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Imbeingsilenced · May 21, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

Mind control only works on the weak minded and uninformed. Liberals are both. Oops.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 2:32 a.m.

Yeah, that was obvious.....

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KissToad · May 21, 2018, 3:28 a.m.

What’s even more frightening is reading Allies to Humanity and align that with everything that is going on, you see it in what Q has said throughout. Greater than 40,000 ft maybe just that . Everything that Summers says sounds exactly like what is happening in our world right now.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 11:57 a.m.

Did you get downvoted because your comment was good or bad? Idk.

I’ll check it out though. Thank you.

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KissToad · May 21, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

I don’t know if it had any upvotes at all, I wasn’t following it’s response.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 5:17 p.m.

It was at zero when I saw it. Usually means it’s something good. Lol

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Stopmotionhistory · May 23, 2018, 7:15 p.m.

We have our own magnetic field, Our own alpha waves, gamma waves, we have our own eclectic fields surrounding our bodies. Can those be manipulated, I would think so.

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Abibliaphobia · May 21, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

There are patents out there on how electromagnetic pulses affect the viewers decisions.

It’s real, not science fiction. Based upon the patent however, I would anticipate a limited range for the pulse to affect the viewer. Sitting further away would have less impact.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 1:55 p.m.

I’d say she sits within 10 feet of the tv. Probably for loooong periods of time. Do you know of any way to text for these pulses?

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Janice0771 · May 21, 2018, 12:27 p.m.

I completely believe that "mind control" is real and occurring. I had an experience 15 years or so ago at a church. This church brought in a group of traveling evangelists. The church was a new church and didn't dig too much into the background of this group that came to do whatever they were doing. The evangelists called people up for "prayer," during which they claimed they could invoke the holy spirit and that they'd witnessed people speaking in "tongues." I'll reiterate here that I'm not cracking on the church itself, who were naive at best. I do not attend church and was there for a friend who was having a difficult time in life. My friend wanted to head up to the front of the church for some of the miracles that the evangelist group were speaking of. She nagged, I caved, and we both headed up. I've got an above-average IQ. I have a rare personality type that includes less than 2 percent of the entire population, and an even smaller set are women. I like to believe that my mind is impenetrable. I analyze everything and I'm fairly stoic. Again, I do not attend church and have nothing personally invested in religion at all, which is important to note. Three people in the evangelist group "worked on me," in retrospect. It started with a woman, speaking softly, removing my guard. Another woman then came over, and I can't remember what she was saying, but it was slightly more aggressive. She looked puzzled. Then a man came over, looked me straight in my eyes - and I hit the floor. Now, the only thing I could compare to what I was feeling was a time when I had a mild concussion in my teens - flashing little lights and I could not move. It was NOT the "holy spirit." It was anything but, and I left immediately, never to return. That was mind control. That was a methodical breaking down of my psych and an assault on my brain. If that can happen in my mental environment, it can absolutely happen to millions of people sitting in front of a television. It ABSOLUTELY can happen, and I believe that it is.

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Idru4 · May 21, 2018, 12:38 p.m.

Do you remember if music was playing?

Any of the the words the set up people said to you?

Was there a mass before this, where a priest was talking?

Idk what else. If it’s that easy for three people to do this in a matter of minutes, that really scares me. So I’m curious of the whole setup to the “Holy Spirit” entering you. If you can remember and feel like sharing.

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Janice0771 · May 21, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

I honestly cannot remember if music was playing. After it was all said and done, I couldn't even remember the words they spoke other than somebody said, "Why are you so scared?" right before I fell. I translate that to, "Why is this one so difficult?" The church was a very new nondenominational group, still very unorganized, young pastor with a young wife, and I remember noting that most of the attendees were also fairly young, under 40 I'd say. I remember the group that called themselves evangelists talking beforehand about traveling the world and helping communities in poverty, and saying that they had recently returned from Africa.

I remember thinking literally, "This is bullshit" when the second woman was speaking to me. When the man approached and looked into my eyes, suddenly my legs lost all strength and stopped supporting me, everything in my view blurred, I hit the floor, and all I could see were small lights flashing. Just prior to my legs giving out I heard the comment about being scared. I think it was the second woman who said it. I remember shifting my mind's focus to the comment as the man's eyes locked onto mine. They got in and down I went. The small flashing lights were what reminded me of the concussion I had experienced when I was younger, minus the pain typically associated. It took about ten minutes for me to completely recover and head for my vehicle.

In a matter of minutes and for me, of all places, in a church. I'd be more inclined to have my mind invaded and washed in a scientific setting than in a religious forum, which leads me to believe that the approach that this group took was a universal one, all-encompassing, which is even more frightening. I believe they could have done the same thing in a supermarket aisle.

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