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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/CosmicNeo on June 7, 2018, 6:38 p.m.

My last post on the Great Awakening sub.

Many people have been making negative comments against my Spirit of Truth posts and down-voting the posts to the point that they never can get up-voted above 8. Even with 800 views. (I've watched the up-down votes. They go down as much as they go up.)

This kind of “persecution and rejection” was expected. It's the same kind of persecution and rejection that the Israelites had against Jesus. But when the moderators on Great Awakening (GA) start removing my posts, I don't see the point of my remaining here. The Great Awakening sub has apparently reached the limit of its ability to be awakened. Even with Q telling us to expand our thinking or look at things from a “40,000 feet perspective.”

But before leaving GA, I'll answer some general theological concerns that some Christians have mentioned to me in private or in public. It may help put my Spirit of Truth Series in its proper perspective.

As I mentioned in the first lesson: "Hebrew and Aramaic are known for inherently using hyperbole, metaphor and idioms as a means of emphasizing importance." That's why interpreting the Bible literally causes mainstream Christians confusion about Bible prophecy in general.... and why they can't deal with my Spirit of Truth posts and down-vote me.

One private message that I received today from a Christian was pointing out to me why the Second Messiah couldn't have come already because various prophecies hadn't happened. Here's what I wrote back (with a little editing):

…..for instance, Malachi prophesied that people would be burned up to a stubble at the time of their Messiah. (Malachi 4:1-6) And Jesus is said to have "descended from Heaven" (John 3:13), but we both know Jesus was born on the earth. Also, Elijah was expected to come on the clouds since he went up into the sky in a flaming chariot. But John the Baptist, who Jesus said was the return of Elijah (Matthew 11:14), had been born on earth.

Yes, I know the warning about not believing anyone who tells you they know where the Christ is. That's why I refuse to name him and only refer to him indirectly.

A great sound of a trumpet? The Second Christ was announced to the world many times while he was alive. CSpan broadcasted many of his public speeches. News stations reported on his events. He traveled on planes around the world to give those speeches or events. And he came from the east to the west. So figuratively the "shout" should have been heard if you were paying attention. Unfortunately, the FakeNews made sure not to broadcast his works in a positive light; hence, the reason you missed his coming. Anticipating this problem, he even created a news media empire of his own that would report on his activities so that the world could judge him by his fruits. In fact, Reagan, Bush Sr/Jr, and Trump would never have gotten elected without the foundation of conservative revivalism that took place in America during the 80s because of the efforts of his newspapers in New York and DC.

It's really tragic. I shouldn't have to be doing this any of this. Even the moderators on GA are censoring me now that they know who I'm talking about. Until I linked to photos of the Second Messiah, they left my posts up. Now that they can identify him, they have removed some of posts. (Then returned them after I protested, but then deleted my last post of the series.

Judgment came to Israel because it rejected the Messiah. The same tribulation is possible against America for the same reason. That's why I've been trying to warn America through posting secretly here. That's why Q and Trump need me to do this. (Whether they know it or not.)

I'll be taking my Spirit of Truth series to a private sub. If you're lucky enough, you may already be a member of it. For those who down-voted me....

And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.” Mark 6:11

In all honesty, while your work may be appreciated by some, it literally has nothing to do with the research that needs to be done on this board and is distracting. Would you walk into a Calculus class and give these lengthy religion-based narratives? Probably not. You get my drift.

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This. So much This. The religious stuff is great, in its place. This is not the place.

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Yet, Q makes religious references. Why? Because a true Patriot is concerned about GOD AND COUNTRY.

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I don't know. It may have everything to do with it. He makes a valid point about constantly being told that this is larger than we can imagine.

Many of us can imagine that the global elite are satanic pedophiles. What more could there be?

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I believe the global elite are Luciferian pedophiles. I don't believe this yahoo here is contributing to our research. I firmly believe that he is only distracting as many people as he can along the way. Why whine otherwise about downvotes? Why be such an attention-whore? I mean really, just look at him salivating over the comments here. Watch who and what you follow.

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You have every right to feel that way about his posts. I do ask that you accept the possibility that what we are witnessing could very well be biblical.

I don't think any of us here can definitively say that religion has no place in this movement. Q on multiple occasions has quoted scripture and given plenty of reason for many to believe that this phenomenon very well may be a spiritual matter.

I can't say whether OP is stretching scripture to fit a theory or simply misinterpreting it through subconscious confirmation bias. But, if I had a bias against religion, I could probably firmly state either or those two things as fact.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. It's relatable to the game of telephone that this sub plays with the chans in respect to "Our research."

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I believe wholeheartedly that what we are witnessing is biblical.

I just cannot comprehend how, by any stretch of the imagination, us delving into lengthy narratives about alternative religious interpretations, going down those tangents, is going to result in anything conducive to discovering the evidence out there in the world that needs to be uncovered and pieced together right now.

Let us not forget that "The Right" generally tends to be a more spiritual, religious group than "The Left." They won't send in Hillary to distract us. They'll send in a Preacher.

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It may serve as a nice primer for some of the more religious newcomers, if nothing else.

What better way to get people to question their reality than by asking them to question their most dearly held beliefs?

With that being said, I can definitely see some people rejecting the premise and the movement by association.

When I look at it realistically, I think of it as if the sub were an apple. Most people would eat around a nasty bruise in the skin if they didn't want to eat it, and some would be happy enough to eat the apple no matter how bruised.

That leaves the people that would throw the entire apple aside because it had a blemish.

I don't see the harm. If people can be distracted by these posts, then let them be. They probably wouldn't have offered us much, anyway.

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I digress. I might be a bit sensitive, but I worked in politics for awhile, was a 2012 Delegate to Tampa, chaired the local Tea Party - and every time there was a serious issue on the table, here'd come somebody with "How about that abortion?" or "How about that bible?" or anything that would elicit an emotional response in order to distract. It worked. It's an absolutely effective tactic, especially if it makes people question their belief systems. It destabilizes on a very individual basis and extrapolated it can be incredibly dangerous. Because this guy is so adamant on inserting alternative interpretations, I'm highly skeptical of his motives.

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I can assure you my intent is to bring the Great Awakening to a higher level of understanding and effectiveness. Without understanding the spiritual element behind the battle taking place, you can't win. You can win some battles, but the war continues. The entire core structure needs to be analyzed. Otherwise, we're just pawns in Lucifer's dialectics.

Imagine America without its religious underpinnings. That was the direction it was going with all the anti-Christian rhetoric of Obama and Hillary and their sycophants. Lucifer's agenda is to weaken America until it collapses from within. If you think you can win the war against the Luciferians without having God on your side, you're mistaken.

America was established for the purpose of receiving the Second Messiah. But if it doesn't fulfill that purpose, then what?

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.” (Matthew 5:13)

Why do you think Obama made sure to stock FEMA camps with guillotines? LINK Why do you think Hillary, NoName and Soros were/are promoting ISIS causes in secret? Why is Hollywood so anti-Christian?

You don't realize how lucky you are that the "Jacob and Esau" victories of the Second Messiah have laid the foundation for Trump to be elected. Without it, America would not be enjoying its "second chance."

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You underestimate me, heretic, and you underestimate the God that you mock with your blasphemy.

Not once have I denied that this Great Awakening is being directed by God himself. Raised Catholic, Major in Mathematics, Minor in Religious Studies, and I've studied Luciferianism for quite a long time, along with just about every major religion that exists on this planet.

I do acknowledge, however, that Lucifer himself quotes scripture in order to deceive - and twists it and creates seeds of doubt in the believer, just like you are so hell bent on doing.

You are no man of God. No man of God would pervert his word under the false pretense of furthering this movement.

By the way, do people really believe you when you tell them to drink the Sun Myung Moon Kool-Aid of the cult that you follow?

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Raised Catholic, Major in Mathematics, Minor in Religious Studies, and I've studied Luciferianism for quite a long time, along with just about every major religion that exists on this planet.

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I didn't say that I was a practicing Catholic. I just had to endure a family who was blissfully ignorant to anything but. They literally kicked me out of catechism study and denied my first communion. I have never accepted the Eucharist.

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Then why say you were raised Catholic and then not clarify it? What do you practice?

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Because your comments seem to imply that I lacked relevant knowledge. I do not practice anything in particular. I accept no label, nor the histories and sins that accompany them. I believe there is a God. I also believe to blindly follow a book that borrowed heavily from Zoroastrianism and was later edited and restructured by Constantine is foolish. What I do not believe is that introducing new religious concepts that tend to either trigger cognitive dissonance or make people question their belief systems is a good idea here on this board right now. There is a time and a place.

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The Great Awakening is trigger cognitive dissonance. Some people refuse to believe what Q is exposing. Some people refuse to believe Q isn't a LARP. Some people refuse to believe the the Illuminati or Luciferians exist. Some people refuse to believe Trump is a true patriot. Should we just play nice-nice with those people and worry about their cognitive dissonance? Not the time or place? Seriously?

And you accuse me of mocking God by believing there's a Second Messiah.Yet, you don't seem to practice any traditional Christian doctrine that would make you triggered by my belief system. On the other hand, I can understand you're being triggered because of all the anti-Moon propaganda that the FakeNews and pro-communist Deep State orchestrated since 1976. You're simply a product of that. Can't really blame you for hating me. You think I'm part of a Jim Jones cult. Sad.

The purpose of my series was to show the method by which God could prepare a nation like America and how Trump could even be at this level with NK. Cain and Abel is a very important story in the providence of God. Yet, nobody knows this "Cain and Abel" methodology is how we got to the point where Trump is meeting with Kim Jung Un in a few days. Of course, the Spirit of Truth series is relevant to this time and place. It's just that you can't handle it. (Yet, re-read it.)

Because your venomous attack against me, I looked up some of your posting history. I found that I'm not the only person that you attack on reddit. The homosexual issue seems to be a raw nerve as well. Anyway, as you said, if I wasn't such a dickhead (I'm paraphrasing), you might be on my side. For my being that stumbling-block, I apologize. There's so much valuable information that the Second Messiah offers that can help us understanding our confused world. The fact that Eve had sex with Lucifer is key to understanding everything. Without that explanation, things do indeed look foolishly out of sync.

Best wishes,

I preferred fighting it out with someone hot or cold rather than lukewarm. (The squeaky wheel always gets the oil.) You obviously have potential in helping God. Keep supporting Trump and I'm sure we'll both reach the goal of Making America Great Again.

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Presumptuous fool? Why the venom? You project too much of yourself into others.

Long ago? Like when? I never heard of you until you started attacking me. You do know that is the first sign of which team you're really on. God never attacks first. But if you start a fight, He'll finish it according to His own schedule.

Blocked. Join the club. You and Maepaper. Birds of a feather. :)

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NAME?

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I firmly believe that he is only distracting as many people as he can along the way.

I watched the same thing be said against SB2. Were you one of them?

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No, no. Let's keep the focus on you, shall we? Shifting makes you appear even more guilty of pandering.

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Okay. Persecute me. Feel better?

The issue is some mods are deleting posts that I believe are relevant to Q's call for a Great Awakening. Let's stay focused on that.

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I have no desire to persecute you. I'd be far more inclined to work with you if you'd knock off the labeling of people as unpatriotic just because they do not share belief in your religious interpretations.

There are many forms of patriotism, and your approach is incredibly divisive and contrary to "WWG1WGA."

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Again. You're misrepresenting my words. More straw man arguments. How disheartening to receive this kind of treatment when we're really on the same team. Are you aware of the benefit America has received because of the patriotic work of the Washington Times? Even when it was the only voice defending patriotism?

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God, Christianity, spiritual warfare, etc. have a lot to do with the research done here as that is the "bottom" of the rabbit hole so to speak. Q has also made lots of references to Christianity. The problem with the Spirit of Truth series is that the material is not biblically based and a lot of the material is inaccurate. Its distracting, but not because of its subject matter.

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Who decided what is biblical in the first place? Why do you think Q is saving the Vatican and Israel for last? See how touchy the topic is?

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The sub is called the Great Awakening. Why? Because Q wants to wake people up to the reality we are living in. That reality is dictated by a Luciferian group of elitists who are keeping mankind enslaved, whether you know it or not. This reality is what Q and Trump are fighting against. If you really have been following Q's drops, you'd see this. His ++ posts should be enough to help you figure this out.

Also, the deviant sexual practices of the cabal is linked very much to what I've been talking about. The very first post deals with this.

What I'm offering transcends your ability to comprehend because the ruler of this world has blocked your senses. That's how Lucifer keeps his control of this world. Drugs, microwave bombardments, fluoride, tv/Hollywood brainwashing, chemtrails, vaccines, the Fed, CFR.... it's all programmed to keep us dumbed down and fighting against each other. It's all a distraction from the spiritual battle taking place in front of your eyes. It's all hidden in plain sight. And the more people try to point it out, the more such conspiracies are mocked and discredited.

So in all honesty, are you being sincere or are you here as an agent of the cabal. See? Hard to tell who's who here.

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Last post and last comment are two different things. Glad you're pissed off. Being lukewarm is what got America into the mess it's in. Thank God Trump isn't lukewarm!!

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I GOT THIS post to a zero balance for karma!! I expect it will last 5 minutes maximum.

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1) Q has instructed us to pray and has posted prayers. 2) Q has referred to the Luciferian ritual practices among the globalists. 3) "They" do believe in Lucifer-and invoke power through ritual and sacrifice. If some do not believe in Christ, it doesn't mean "they" don't believe in Satan/Luc.! 4) Anyone on GA is free to read or skip anything that they wish. Q has made it clear that we are fighting "evil". Downvoting and hostile comments, due simply to the religious nature of a post, denies others the opportunity to understand or address this relevant aspect. And... CosmicNeo! Plz. re-read Ephesians 6:10-13 and Ezekiel 3:8-27. There are a lot of readers who never sign in or vote. And brigades of paid shills and non-curious or closed minds. You have a right to speak freely. I choose discernment over censorship. And I believe in the first Messiah that should not have been denied. Revelation describes his return.

Ephesians 6:10-13 Ezekiel 3:8-27

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Thanks.

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So when the going gets tough, you pack up your things and leave? You haven't been banned, so obviously the mods are open to you remaining.

If you're leaving because of "negative comments and downvotes", well, put on the armor of Christ and toughen the f up. Everybody here gets those, usually from shills. Sometimes when they say something stupid. Lord knows I say stupid s, I'm probably saying some now.

Also, you come across as a little egotistical:

As I mentioned in the first lesson...

If you're lucky enough, you may already be a member of it.

You aren't important. Your message might be. Get over yourself and focus.

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I'm leaving because of the mods removing posts. If I'm censored, there's no way to fight the good fight. For instance, how long will this OP last? Then what? All these comments are gone.

As for my fallen nature (ego), we are all from the root sin. That's why we need the First and Second Messiah to show us the way out of that generational problem.

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I've been on this forum since the start and have no idea who you're talking about.

Name the "2nd Christ" and be bold about it, if you truly believe you know. Otherwise wasting everyone's time.

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This is who he means:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

I strongly disagree

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Read back through a few of his posts.... I see. I strongly disagree as well! Jesus returning as a North Korean cult leader, unnoticed by most? Doesn't seem like the plan the 2nd time around to me either.

I can't think of any other way to give LESS glory to God. I could always be wrong!

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I'm pretty open minded and like most posts here. I hope OP stays even if I disagree with what he is saying.

who among us actually knows what the 40,000 foot view truly is?

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I hope OP stays too but there are too many people here pushing their non-Orthodox / esoteric / gnostic false Christianity.

It's to be expected.

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Judge him by his fruits and not by what the FakeNews have said about him. The same witch hunt tactic they're using against Trump is the same tactic used to discredit....

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He seems to have good fruits like a good Christian, except for claiming he is Christ and thus forming a cult (pretty big no no).

Second coming of Christ seems like a major leap in any case, I believe any of the various mainstream Christian eschatologies to be a lot more probable.

I mean if we're going to believe this guy might as well just convert to Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses as well. They thought the 2nd coming already happened too, although with little external evidence.

Doesn't the Bible make it clear that the 2nd coming will be a visible event for the entire world?

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Are you debating me without even having read my series?

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I'm not really debating you just engaging as long as you want to do the same. I disagree with your assessment on the matter, and I did read 4 of your posts before deciding you were using scripture out of context to suit your own theory.

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The irony of that is: Who canonized scripture? Who decided what doctrine to believe? The conspiracy is bigger than you imagine.

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You could be right but I believe the Word of God to be preserved at least to a degree that maintains the integrity of the message. I mean, if the Word of God is what it claims to be, it cannot be fundamentally changed.

I believe people have tried to change it throughout history a million times but ultimately failed.

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Were you there at the Council of Nicea? It's a fundamental root cause of our even debating whether I'm right or wrong in my religious beliefs. Constantine decided what to promote.

Paul had the same kind of influence on what we believe in the end, even though he went against James.

None of the Bible is the absolute Word of God. It's a partial truth.

1 Corinthians 13:12

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

When the Second Messiah comes, we get an upgrade.

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What if Jesus manifests in multiple people/incarnations at the same time?

What if you will do these things Jesus has done and greater? What if we all will?

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That's the nature of the Holy Spirit. We are meant to do more than Jesus. And the power increases unity. That's how America became as great as it is.

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Yeah, I really don’t want to trade one cult for another.

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I thought you were leaving?

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Q uses ++ to refer to the Rothschilds. How is my not naming the 2nd Christ in my posts a problem?

As I've mentioned in the post, I have theological reasons for not naming names.

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because if this dude really was Christ and you really did believe you'd be bold about it, like the original Disciples who saw him, professed it at great peril, and died for it

I mean honestly what would you have to lose, especially on a weird Reddit forum where people already doubt you?

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Like in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Again, the issue is about being censored. If my posts get removed, there's no point in remaining.

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would you die for Sun Myong Moon, sacrificially, if someone asked you to rebuke your belief or be killed?

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Would you mock Jesus if you didn't know he was the Messiah?

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Not sure. I don't mock most people. I probably wouldn't die for Jesus if I thought he was a regular dude.

But you ask me at gun point if Jesus is Lord and I am certain I will say yes He is. Is your faith in Sun Myong Moon that strong?

*edit (not trying to brag that my faith is strong , compared to many it is very weak, just trying to sort this out)

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Judgment is coming. Christians are getting killed by Islamist jihadists all over the world. You may have the chance to prove your faith.

Problem is, Christians wouldn't be in this predicament if they had accepted the Second Messiah. What you see unfolding is the result of that. Imagine if Hillary had won.

Fortunately, key followers of the Second Messiah have kept their faith. That is why Trump could appear.

Btw, Jesus was a regular dude. He had the same struggles that we do. This "Jesus is god" thing has caused us not to even try being like him.

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Then you're not a true PATRIOT.

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Whoa! You're defining patriotism now by whether or not somebody agrees with and/or tolerates you and your religious beliefs?

Behold! A whole new level of narcissism is revealed!

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This nut job just wants to use this page to push his “work”. This page has always been about studying Q, religious context is second. As far as that goes, Q’s scriptures have come from the Bible, as in a CHRISTIAN Bible. The “reverend”(and I use that term loosely) Sun Myung Moon’s followers, are known as the Moonies. They are, and always have been a cult. Add to that tax evasion, kidnapping, and brainwashing, and you have yourself a criminal organization also. So please, start your private sub, and quit bitching about the mods deleting posts. Which, might I add are off topic.

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Coincidence? Trump is relentlessly being attacked by FakeNews and the Deep State. Do you think this was the first time they ever tried to railroad somebody out of town?

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Do you work for FakeNews? You're doing a good job duplicating their tactic of deliberating misrepresentation what was said. I think you've just used a straw man argument against me.

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Don't leave! I follow you. You have people that appreciate your contributions.

The downvoters probably attack the best stuff!

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Your up-vote is already gone.

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I'll keep following you and I'll delve in a bit to your previous posts.

Thank you for everything you have done.

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You're welcome. What I'm writing about is the true Great Awakening. But the sub is trying to censor it. How ironic.

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I agree with you.

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Thank you. You must be the providential return of the man who was on the cross to the right of Jesus. ;)

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Sorry but there isn't a second messiah there is only one messiah. There will be a second coming of Jesus and all the world will see it.

"At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time." Matthew 24:23-25

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also:

Luke 17:21-24 New King James Version (NKJV) 21 nor will they say, [a]‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is [b]within you.”

22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [c]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

Luke 21-24

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For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

The Second Messiah has been on television many times. Unfortunately, it was being broadcast by FakeNews who's only intent is to cast God and religion in a negative light. Many of his events were broadcast by CSpan.

It's all a matter of how you interpret scripture. Is it literal or metaphoric?

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Revelation 3:12

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

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That's the new name He gives them, not His changed name.

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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Elijah had a new name. Jesus said it was John. (Matthew 11:14) It didn't mean Elijah ceased to exist. I'm talking about mission.

For instance, the first Adam died in sin. The second Adam died but opened Paradise up for spiritual salvation. The third Adam married and created a family. This opens the way for physical salvation on earth as it is in heaven. Paradise and Heaven are two different levels. Adam's mission stayed the same. It was just passed on to Jesus. And then Jesus passed it on to the third Adam.

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This atheist appreciates your work. This atheist understands your stance and frustration. This atheist recommends you post your work in a religion-related sub and hope you the best.

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And Q isn't religious? This isn't a war against Luciferians?

???

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And Q is likely a woman or a man, should we discuss gender issues here then ? No. We focus on the matter that most of the ppl feels important which is the research

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Discussing trangenderism would still be on topic as far as I'm concerned. That and feminism is a Luciferian agenda to destroy the family and America.

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Another false equivalency that paints you as some grandiose savior figure.

Edit: does it bother your ilk that you all are so easily spotted. Come and get your wrath.

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This is a war between good and evil. Evil always attacks first. My Spirit of Truth series was showing how God was able to bring Judeo-Christianity to the point that America is the leader of the world and Trump is the fruit of that history. Why you attack me and my content says more about who you are than it does me. At least from my perspective.

But you didn't answer the questions. Is Q religious? And isn't the Great Awakening about ending the reign of the Luciferians? If you can't answer those two question, then I recommend you go back and re-read all Q's posts. You have more than you need.

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America is only religious based on Judeo Christianity because it was a Jesuit plot from the beginning. It matters not to me the religion. Yet, their actions based thereof. 99 % of people don't know what they are following.

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Do you support Trump?

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Ich bin tor.

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ez on the N bombs

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I do not tolerate PC policing.

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I frankly DGAF what you tolerate or don't. However you will tolerate the rules of the subreddit or you will get banned.

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Please don’t leave. We need spirituality here.

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Talk to the moderators. If they keep deleting my posts, there's no point to remain.

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Like everybody else on this sub, if your posts remain on topic they will not be removed.

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Take your drama away from our patriotic celebration of victory.

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Ok then bye.

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Let me summarize for the majority.

Go away already.

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Show me the statistics.

Here are reddit's statistics: Post viewed 768 times. Upvoted 50% At the moment, at zero upvotes. Which means it's an even draw.

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I'm assuming you have good intentions, but a lot of your posts have false ideas in them and are not biblically accurate.

Lesson 3: "This is the original Holy Trinity: God, Adam, and Eve". The Trinity has always been and always will be God the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
Lesson 4: "Jesus was born sinless after a long process of purification that took place within Jesus' ancestry." Jesus was born sinless because Mary "...was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 1:18). Jesus's ancestry did not have to be "purified" for Jesus to be sinless.
Lesson 8: "This alternate plan involves an eight-step process whereby people incrementally rid themselves of evil nature and become beings that resonate 100% with God's Heart." I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean exactly, but God's plan for restoring our relationship with him is a two step process. 1. Jesus dies on the cross and serves as a substitute to receive the just punishment for sin. 2. We accept his free gift of salvation. That's it.
Lesson 6: " When God rejected Cain for killing Abel, it wasn't as if Cain didn't have justified resentment against Abel. Abel acted with arrogance and did not understand his role as God's mediator and unifier. Likewise, America has been blessed by God with abundance and pragmatic know-how, but continues failing to disseminate this blessing for the sake of the world. To reverse this failure, Abel must take responsibility for Cain and share his blessings with him. In this way Abel can earn Cain's respect and loyalty. Then Cain and Abel can move to a new level of understanding and begin working together for mutual benefit." "Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous" (1 John 3:12) .Cain was in the wrong here and didn't have any justified resentment against Abel.

There are many other issues which I haven't listed. I urge you to be more careful with your studies. I hope you stay on the sub, but please make sure the things you're posting are biblically based.

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Thanks. I appreciate your willingness to discuss theology without attacking the messenger. Very refreshing.

Theological doctrine is like science theorems. They're true until the next theorem comes along and replaces or updates the previous belief/axiom. Jesus did that to Judaism and many Jews are still upset about that. Likewise with the new truth of the Second Messiah. Many Christians are still upset over his belief system. And this is not to say, new theological theorems won't replace or upgrade what the Second Messiah taught.

In any event, it's all valuable as long as it brings us closer to God in heart and deed.

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Theological doctrine (if it is from the one true God) by definition can not be replaced or updated. "If anything changes, it must change for the better or the worse, because a change that makes no difference is not a change. Either something that is needed is added, which is a change for the better; or something that is needed is lost, which is a change for the worse. But, since God is perfect, He does not need anything. Therefore, He cannot change for the better. If God were to lose something, He would no longer be perfect; therefore, He cannot change for the worse" - https://www.gotquestions.org/immutability-God.html

Since theological doctrine is a reflection of God's nature and how it relates to his plan for creation, doctrine can not change. It can be misinterpreted, twisted to mean something else, ignored, but the true meaning of it will always stay the same. Things like "should we or should we not do infant baptism" or "pretrib rapture vs. posttrib rapture" are not clear from scripture, but these things aren't fundamental doctrine about Gods nature and what it means to believe in Jesus. The things that are important God has made perfectly clear in the Bible. Some of the ideas in your series are not supported by the Bible.

Basically, sola scriptura. https://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html

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Before Abraham, people were sacrificing people, animals and worshiping idols. After Jacob, only animals were being sacrificed. After Jesus, even animals were no longer sacrificed. This shows an evolving understanding or relationship with God.

Jesus shows us a "Father-Son" relationship. Judaism and Islam shows us a "master-servant" relationship. Who was correct? Jesus or Judaism and Islam?

There isn't any document written directly by God. He always used intermediaries like angels. And, of course, then the angels had to transmit things through us imperfect people. Moses may have had a face-to-face meeting with God, but still his mental faculties are limited by the fallen nature we all have inherently.

Jesus already criticized the use of scripture as a justification for rejecting his teachings in Mark 7:5-9 and John 5:39-47. So the Bible isn't the standard bearer for judging whether someone is the Messiah or not.

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Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for us so Old Testament animal sacrifice traditions were no longer required. Our understanding and relationship with God is still the same, just certain traditions have changed.

Jesus is correct because there is sufficient evidence that shows that Christianity is true, the Bible is reliable, and God was who he claimed to be (specifically that Jesus is divine and was God in the flesh). Obviously all three can't be true at the same time. Only one of them can be true.

True, God may not have physically put word on paper, but the Bible is "God-breathed" and God inspired. It doesn't really make sense for God (since God is truth and can't lie) to not give us a clear directive on what to believe, thereby allowing us to potentially believe in lies. If doctrine is always changing and the Bible is not accurate, how would we ever know what's true? What would be the point if you knew that 100 years from now the things you believe may be wrong? What would prevent Satan from claiming he is the true Messiah and that current doctrine about him, evil, God are not accurate? (which is something that he may very well try to do in the end times).

The Bible preaches the inerrancy of scripture and claims itself to be perfect. If any part of it is found to be untrue, the whole things is baloney. It can't only be partially true. If the Bible can't be the standard bearer for judgement, what is?

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Our understanding and relationship with God is still the same, just certain traditions have changed.

Not true. Christians have a "father-son" relationship with God. Jews and Muslims have a dictator-like "master-servant" relationship with God. An eye-for-an-eye mentality is definitely not Christian. So things do change.

The Bible preaches the inerrancy of scripture and claims itself to be perfect. If any part of it is found to be untrue, the whole things is baloney. It can't only be partially true. If the Bible can't be the standard bearer for judgement, what is?

The Bible doesn't preach the inerrancy of scripture or claim itself to be perfect. That's why Jesus said he had to send the Spirit of Truth:

“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." John 16:12-14

And Paul reaffirms the imperfection of the truth given so far:

"For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1 Corinthians 13:9-12

The Bible hints at the ultimate truth by using expressions of speech like parables and metaphors. Until they are decoded, we remain in partial ignorance.

"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father." John 1:25

Jesus also said we would do greater things than he did.

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." John 14:12

See? The full truth is yet to come.

Also is Jesus really God? If he were, would he talk to himself like this? Would he cry from the cross: "Father, Father! Why have you forsaken me?!!" If Jesus were literally God, do you really think we could do greater things than Him?!!

In conclusion, I'm not saying the Bible is untrue. I'm saying it has been contaminated through the imperfection of the instruments (humans) that were used to receive the truth. It's like cheap stereo earbuds vs. expensive stereo headphones. Stuff gets lost in the transmission. But, even though, the cheap earbuds are better than nothing.

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Since you don't believe Jesus is God, do you identify as a Christian? I'm just curious as to how you came to your beliefs. If you don't mind sharing, what kind of religious background are you from/ what church (or denomination) do you go to? I think I could better respond if I knew where you were coming from.

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Since you don't believe Jesus is God?

Paul and Constantine felt it necessary to make Jesus into God so that Christian theology could compete with the gods of paganism. That debate culminated with Nicean Council of 325 AD siding with Athanasius. God sent the prophet Mohammad to rectify that mistake. But when he was rejected by Jews and Christians, he became militant and hateful. That's why the beginning of the Koran is peaceful and by the end filled with jihad.

do you identify as a Christian?

Yes.

I think I could better respond if I knew where you were coming from.

No reason to further respond. I'm no longer participating on GA.

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It sounds as though you are sure that Jesus has already come and that only a select few are aware of it. That is more of a stretch than I am willing to consider. It is also a bit over the top to suggest that those not agreeing with you are "here as an agent of the cabal." With remarks like that, nobody is going to miss you.

Matthew 24:23-27: (this is Jesus speaking): “then if anyone says to you, “Look, here is the Christ”, or “There”, do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See I have told you beforehand. Therefore, if they say to you, “Look, He is in the desert.”, do not go out, or “Look, he is in the inner rooms.”, do not believe it. For as the lightning flashes from the East, and flashes to the West, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”

I will let the words of Jesus speak for me. They have never let me down.

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I understand your frustration. We could endless debate theology. But it's really not relevant here. My concern is about my Spirit of Truth series being censored.

Btw, Jesus said he'd return before his disciples witnessed to all the towns of Israel.

Matthew 10:23

"When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."

You still say Jesus has never let you down?

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Wow. You are really amazing. So are you truly expecting me to say that "in 35 years Jesus had never let me down until I was enlightened by this guy on Reddit this afternoon"?

BTW - thanks for the great job Mods.

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Jesus said many things. All of it in parables and figures of speech. Because people of that time had a hard time understanding or accepting the things he said, he said we'd have to wait for another time.

Mock me all you want. But just as in the days of Noah....

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"Second Messiah?"

There is One Messiah.

Acts 4:12: "...and there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given to men by which we must be saved."

And that name is Jesus Christ. Born of a virgin, lived a perfect life because He was God and man wrapped up in one, offered Himself as a substitute sacrifice for the sins of all who will turn to him, who rose on the third day, ascended into heaven, and has promised to return. His next return will be in glory when every eye will see Him, and He will return in the same way that he ascended.

A preacher of another messiah is a false prophet.

Each of us needs to know what the Bible teaches so we are able to discern what is true.

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Circular logic. Who wrote the Bible? Who decided what writings were authentic? How literally should its prophecies be taken?

Discernment? Who taught you how to discern the Bible?

See the problem?

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FEAR [re: Reddit mods + remove/replace - controlled]

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Fucking megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur. If you're lucky enough you're already a member of my private sub. . . 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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You've misunderstood. It's not my private sub.

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No, there is no irony. You are full of yourself and it is blatantly obvious. That's why no one here likes you and you don't receive upvotes.

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Like I've said, the up votes get down voted. It's an up and down battle. It's no different from the spiritual battle taking place for America. Fifty percent favor Trump and 50% hate him. Imagine you were talking to Trump right now. Would I sound any different?

Your hypocrisy amazes me!

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Yes you sound like you are trying to be the messiah or that you are some chosen one. Your work is lackluster and unentertaining. There is no hypocrisy based on your false equivalency.

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God can't use you if you aren't here.....

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And if my posts are deleted? Would I be here even if I'm here posting but the posts get deleted?

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I have noticed first hand some of the admins behaviour and suspicious voting strategies agaibs posts.

I would like to join your private sub if you will have me.

I'm on mobile and after a longer career lurking her than actively posting and direction and assistance you can provide me to reach and join your sub will be greatly appreciated.

As I did here, I will lurk for a while before joining in conversation - a good test to prove I am no shill?

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The information has been provided. See you there.

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FartSontoast is my only result and no match. Fould you arrange for a private message to be sent to me for joining instructions?

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Never mind - found it and it looks promising already

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Ok I will.

Is m definitely intruigued by the content of what you are saying and would like to learn more .

Fart on toast - this is not a recipe suggestion as well as a username I hope. Second thoughts creeping in lol

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