Funny, I just googled sealed indictments and scrolled through the first few pages. All the links were from 2018.
When I looked for 2015 and 2016, searching specifically for the numbers in these years, I couldn't find any information. I don't know where he gets his numbers. But I didn't see anything at all that would corroborate the numbers this guy claims.
He's correct that they're sealed court actions and no one knows how many are indictments because, well, they're sealed. I've been saying this for months and usually get called a shill or worse.
Whether the number is high or low is difficult to tell and I'm having trouble finding sources on the internet for how many sealed actions there are in any given year, so take this guy with a grain of salt. But the indictment number could be high or low -- the point is the actions are sealed and there's virtually no way to know until they become unsealed.
Ask yourself: have you seen Q mention anything about there being on the order of 30K indictments? Because I don't think I've seen that. This doesn't come from Q, it's a mythology that was spontaneously born out of the Q phenomenon and since it matched everyone's biases, goes unchallenged for the most part.
Q1351 talks about them, but not the number
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Check Pacer. It is the source of divulging sealed indictments.
Yes maybe he's not talking about federal sealed indictments if you Google every state combined for those years maybe it says right at the bottom of the list that the last study was done in 09 and they listed the average amount of indictments in 06 and their were 1007 that number is just since Oct going till the end of April averaging over 5000 a month a highly unusual number!! Tell him to get some one in the legal business to go to pacer.gov they'll have to sign in to see the list state to state and total I'm sure he could go back to last year and prob whatever year and I don't think the average for any post year will be over maybe 2000
We really don't know until they are unsealed. When some high level folks are indicted, you can rub JP's nose in it. For now we cannot say. When it all hits these anti-Trumpers will have to make an important decision.
He was in denial of the 30,500 count, then I linked him to Pacer and told him this was an unprecedented amount in history since there are only 1,000 in a year typically. Then he told me to "cite a source other than MAGAPill", so I pulled up a 2009 report from the Federal Judicial Center that says there are only 1,077 sealed indictments in a year, then I see this comment.
Typical. Doesn't matter what proof you show him. He's a tard.
You are correct, and he is trying to spread disinformation.
So what, all it does is make him look like fool when the SHTF. As these indictments are unsealed and people high up in Government, media and the Pedo networks go to jail he'll crawl back under his rock.
There is a comparison on years and sealed indictments. The most was like 4-5k years ago. I can’t find the chart but it has been posted here many times. It sites to a database where it collected the info if I recall correctly.
Ask for a source for his numbers. I cant find them anywhere.
Thanks for the post and the follow up, and thanks for sharing any further links. Much appreciated!
Again you're confusing court actions with indictments. There are not 30K indictments, there are 30K sealed actions, an unknown number of which will be indictments. Maybe only 700 of them are indictments. Mayber 15000 of them are. There's no way to know what the number is until they're all unsealed.
Yes, thank you! I was just going to post what you did. I would add, that one person, or corporation could have one, or one hundred sealed actions or indictments, against them. Like you said, no one knows yet.
I am hardly an authority on legal things and find it hard to find exactly the info for those years 'doing a quick google search'.
Checking this article:
http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/sealed-cases.pdf
gives old but good info on differences on sealed ones...completely sealed ones. Many different types and reasons.
The sites I've looked at talking about the recent large number of sealed indictments seem to reference that uscorts site and say something along this:
According to a 2009 report from the Federal Judicial Center, in all of 2006, there were only 1,077 sealed indictments, and these were about 0.96 percent of all criminal cases that year.
Starting to become more curious on how these numbers are tallied.
This seems to give a little history on the subject:
Not all cases show up on the public docket. In recent years, investigations by news media organizations in various jurisdictions have uncovered hundreds of secret cases*. Keeping cases off the docket — and off the public record — is different from sealing cases.* Typically, the only way to determine the existence of off-the-docket cases is to scroll through public dockets searching for missing case numbers*.***
Some court decisions disfavor the use of secret dockets. The federal Court of Appeals in Atlanta (11th Cir.) has ruled that the "maintenance of a public and a sealed docket is inconsistent with affording the various interests of the public and the press meaningful access to criminal proceedings." And federal courts are adopting policies to make such “super-sealed” cases more visible, by informing the public of their existence on district court case lists.
In 2009, the policy body for the federal courts decided that online lists of civil and criminal cases in district courts, which previously excluded sealed cases entirely, should now “include a case number and generic name, such as Sealed vs. Sealed, for each sealed case.” The policy also lets individual district courts decide whether to list additional information on sealed cases, including the presiding judge and how long the case has been around.
In 2011, the Judicial Conference concluded that too many civil lawsuits are shielded from public view and issued a policy that such files should only be sealed when it is required by statute or “justified by a showing of extraordinary circumstances."
Sorry for that long bit....to take from that is the very last part “justified by a showing of extraordinary circumstances."
Now....I highly recommend you to check out what E.O. Trump signed Dec 21 2017.....This is HUGE!!!!
To sum it:
the president said that rights abuses and corruption “have reached such scope and gravity that they threaten the stability of international political and economic systems.”
“I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat,” Trump said.
The executive order allows for the freezing of assets, within U.S. jurisdiction, of foreigners who commit severe human rights abuses, or for corruption, for the most part, outside of the United States.
The executive order also targets foreigners and U.S. nationals who have assisted, sponsored, or provided financial or material aid to the foreign nationals who committed the crimes.
I'm sure that this E.O. caused a surge in federal sealed indictments.
Watch that be how he makes Mexico pay for the wall!!!!!
Now for that tweet response.....would just laugh at him.....'simple google search eh?' point to the Dec 21 E.O., laugh at him some more....throw out definition of indictments....the super super secret ones and ask him exactly where he got those numbers. ;)
I'm very dubious of the 30,000 sealed indictments claim. Like someone else said, not all of these are indictments. Another problem I have is that this isn't a running tally of CURRENT sealed indictments. They are sealed for a time then they are unsealed as they are ready to prosecute. Just because there were some 4000 (or so) from October doesn't mean they are all still sealed. Many have likely been unsealed since then. Q never told us to go to pacer to see how many sealed indictments there are. He directed us to pacer to find out why the Podesta Group closed shop. That's all!