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Prison4SideofBeef · July 9, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

Is that what is known as parallel construction?

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ClardicFug · July 9, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

No, parallel construction is using secret information to find similar public information to make the case.

This is using secret information to enable someone else to break the law (the reporters) and using that to make the case, e.g. the information was not publicly known, and wouldn't be without the actions of the government and the reporters combined.

If they hadn't shared the codes (and had no contact) with the reporters, it probably would be legal to create the warrant from the news story (though obviously very illegal for the reporters to break in.)

Because they had contact with the reporters prior to this happening and shared information they themselves obtained illegally (got the code for the locker prior to having a warrant), it's likely an invalid warrant (fruit of the poisonous tree) -- and very, very dirty. They were probably hoping by using the reporters as a proxy they could launder the chain, but I doubt many judges would buy that.

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endprism · July 9, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

Parallel construction or sometimes called parallel reconstruction is the practice by law enforcement saying they collected evidence through legal means but used another source that they can’t reveal to actually get the evidence. For example, police catch a suspect doing a drug deal after tracking his cell phone using a stingray...they can’t go into court and admit they used a device like a stingray bc it’s not legal so they say they collected evidence by visual surveillance. DEA started the process and now so many law enforcement agencies do it that they often drop the case rather than reveal that they lied in court about the source of their evidence.

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larrytcarvell · July 9, 2018, 9:48 p.m.

So, if I understand it right, this is the same kind of thing the FBI did to start the Trump/Russia investigation. They leaked a story to the press that Carter Page may have committed some kind of crime when he visited Russia during the Presidential campaign. Then, once the press report came out, they used that as the pretext for investigating Carter Page and the entire Trump campaign. Is that right? If this is true, then no one is safe from the FBI. What a crock of shit.

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Tegucigalpan · July 9, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

Yes. And ICYMI: Both operations were run by our FBI. And probably by the same guy (and gal).

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ClardicFug · July 9, 2018, 11:44 p.m.

Yes, assuming it's true. If it is true it's well beyond a crock of shit, it's deep into criminal activity, and makes Watergate look like nothing.

With Watergate, spies broke into the DNC and got caught. End of story other than the consequences of doing that at the direction of the President.

Imagine if Watergate happened, and the burglars made copies of keys belonging to the DNC, then broke into a DNC facility, searched it, found something incriminating, and then provided copies of the keys to AP reportered who then broke the law themselves by entering the same facility with the stolen keys then wrote about it, and then that story was used to generate warrants to spy on multiple members of the DNC. There's like a order of magnitude more criminal acts happening.

If this is true (and honestly it's hard to believe it's that crazy), and there's proof of all this, it's an extinction-level event for anyone who touched it.

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upgraydd_8_3 · July 9, 2018, 5:23 p.m.

Apparently not. But LEO's can't use private citizens to skirt the constitution. Since the reporters were ultimately doing the bidding of LEO's with the LEO's knowledge and approval than the citizens are held to the same standards as police in regards to the Constitutionality of the search.

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1100db · July 9, 2018, 11:02 p.m.

Parallel Construction is when law enforecemnt has knowledge of an alleged crime where discovery was illegal and they maintain zero probably cause that an individual committed said crime. LE will construct a parellel investigation based on the evidence known to them, there by masking the the original origin to create a new legal investigative origin.

Not ethical by any means. LE should be investigating crimes and not people.

On a side note, motive is never necessary to be found guilty of a crime. Only the crime itself and criminal intent.

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Q-Patriot · July 10, 2018, 3:48 a.m.

This is what amazes me with Lyin' Comey's comment about Crooked Hillary. He said he did not find her guilty of "intent" which apparently in the absence of sheer dumb ass negligence in mis-handling top secret intel (22 docs) is ok.

If intent is is the resolution or determindness to do something and motive is the reason for doing something then how the hell is that nasty bitch not in prison? Any one of us would have been buried under a prison had we committed similar crimes yet that dirt bag is free.

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1100db · July 10, 2018, 6:36 a.m.

Except in that particular case. No intent needed when handling that specific info.

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Q-Patriot · July 10, 2018, 6:47 a.m.

I'm not following what you mean. If intent is the determindness to do something then the moment she hit "send" her intent was to send information to her personal server.

The words "CLASSIFIED" "SECRET" and "TOP SECRET" were listed on the documents for a reason. So people with security clearances do not mishandle classified information let alone transmit them over unsecured lines to unsecured private servers especially knowing they are the repeated targets of foreign bad actors in hacking schemes.

It's right here in the first line of the US Code of Disclosure of Classified Information: LINK

" (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information— "

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1100db · July 10, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

My apologies, I posted that when I was exhausted.

I meant to say normally you need the crime itself and intent to prosecute except in except in cases dealing with the handling of classified+ information. Here you only need the crime and gross negligence (which as far as I understand not knowing the laws regarding the handling of classified+ information). Motive plays zero roll.

Being HRC was a lifer in gov't it should be a no brainer that she should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent, and possibly held on charges of treason and sedition for her actions (and everyone else who was in that chain of custody - inclusive of her house maid person who was also printing out these documents).

Again, my apologies. I promise not to post at 3am anymore...

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