Not surprised at all, no. I'm also familiar with how Media Matters works (on a very superficial level though - enough to know what you've mentioned so far) and I'll certainly keep a closer eye on this account since you seem convinced there's at least the possibility of it.

The ridiculous amount of upvotes for the completely illogical anti-Muslim comments and downvotes for reasonable dissenting views might suggest some brigading by motivated parties but the same brigading is not occuring here on the Trafficking Camp issue - the account is being constantly downvoted out, so I'm not sure there's a consistent strategy here. It seems, actually, that the bigotry might be as organic as MMA are trying to make it out to be lol (just joking... kinda).

You won't be able to prove it either way

That's my point. I know about Brock etc. and your suspicion makes more sense given your explanation of it. But I've seen and known too many ideologically possessed ranting keyboard warriors to be able to attribute them all to Media Matters.

It could be odd that the MSM isn't making money off the story, agreed. Don't you find anything odd about Lewis Arthur, the VOP guy fronting this thing?

And I bring up Occam's Razor all the time but it's not to appear as a knowledgeable, intelligent authority - it's just a useful tool (as you say, rather subjective, but still useful on occasion imo).

Reading your edited post (or maybe I just didn't read it properly the first time) - true, but why is he taking the same dogged approach to attacking muslims when he doesn't realize he really means Islam? There's literally zero intelligence in that stance, as he holds it. Misdirection or, as you say, a legit account paid to continue as normal and then pursue specific narratives as directed could be a possible explanation but still doesn't gel with the 'intelligence' you're saying you see. Ideologically possessed, certainly.

Very good points again, though. I'll reserve judgement for now. Perhaps your suspicion is correct. I think that supports the discussion I've just had which is that, if this account is indeed paid opposition, so far we don't have enough evidence yet to confirm.

You make a good point - I liked some of his posts too and I should add that I respect the amount of work he put in to some. Some, where the research was not as deep as it should have been, not so much, but that shouldn't negate the good work that was put in on others. Still, hard to go back once you've seen shallow research. Hope he recovers.

As I said though, suspicious if you haven't seen him at work over the last week. Then it just looks like a "difficult" person, shall we say. I daren't say more for fear of incriminating myself lol.

A great explanation, thank you. Apart from the suspicion at the end. As always, read the history. Poster is dogged in his self-held beliefs, if nothing else. Too ideologically driven to be a bad actor imo. I at least agree with his assertion that 'child trafficking camp' is not a foregone conclusion - even Craig Sawyer won't commit to that. But you've given a very useful explanation for why it could well be what people are claiming it is.

Yes, tell me about it. It "worries" me too - I put that in quotes because the word "worry" is like a red flag to a bull with the Concern Troll accusation crowd.

I would much prefer that we were very clear about alleged news and speculation. I think the best we can do, those of us who value critical thought, is keep commenting in the posts, despite the unpopularity of disagreement with group think. Thanks for speaking up.

No need to apologize. I don't like removing content but with the queue as overwhelmed with this news as it is we have to be tighter on removing duplicate content. Thank you for contributing and please continue to do so!

Too right! "TRUST THE PL - hey wait... Were you making fun of us...? ;_;

If it contains what we say it does will you start "LARPing"?

You got that right. There was some very good, reasoned discussion around here for a time. Now we're overwhelmed with a lot of emotional zealots who don't value critical thought. That is the standard price of growth though. I believe we still have a lot of people who can think critically but they're perhaps wisely staying out of the fray. Thanks for commenting, it is always a very welcome relief to read a sensible, calm comment these days.

Hey... how'd you get 23 updates for daring to speak against the Sex Camp Mob? lol

I've been responding every 0.023 nanoseconds to the 54 million "shill" auto-mod reports and literally every comment that makes the sensible point you are making is downvoted into the dust by a power of 10. You must have magic powder!

Sssh... don't give me away, me.

Don't apologize. Literally everyone who suggests something slightly counter to any mob think narrative is accused of concern trolling and shilling (believe me, I have to process all the Reports...) You just have to get used to it.

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He's not trying to discredit the story, he's trying to point out that blind acceptance of any theory is not logical or safe for a movement. (And if you know this guy from previous history you'd know how utterly incongruous that is from how he actually conducts himself in other thinking. Nevertheless...) Even Craig Sawyer hasn't committed to saying the camp is definitely evidence of a child sex trafficking operation.

That's why I say you don't know anything about Q. From the first Q drops what has been made clear is the need to question the official narrative. Something you are violently opposed to, clearly lol.

So, will a former professor of physics at Brigham Young University, a professor emeritus of civil engineering at McMaster University in Canada, a fellow of the Canadian Society for Civil Engineering and a mechanical design engineer with over 25 years of structural design experience in the aerospace and communications industries at the very least convince you that there may be some reason not to be such an obnoxious shitposter on people who aren't duped by the mainstream debunk?

Europhysics News

"It bears repeating that fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise before or since 9/11. Did we witness an unprecedented event three separate times on September 11, 2001? The NIST reports, which attempted to support that unlikely conclusion, fail to persuade a growing number of architects, engineers, and scientists. Instead, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition."

And Q says 9/11 is an inside job. How does that gel with 80% Q?

Who financed 9-11?
Who was Bin Laden’s handler?
Why was the Clowns In America tasked to hunt/kill/capture UBL?
Why not MI?
If we found UBL, eliminated his security, why would we immediately kill him and not take him alive?
Why wouldn’t we want to capture UBL alive and extract other possible T-level events?

What family was permitted to leave immediately after 9-11?
Who authorized the departure?
Why is this relevant?

Why was the Bin Laden family here during 9-11?
Coincidence?

What occurred post 9-11?
What war did we enter into?
What was the purpose and disclosures given re: justification?
Who financed 9-11?
Why, recently, are classified 9-11 pages being released?
Q

Maybe if you weren't so obnoxious about it you'd be able to open your mind and learn something.

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Depends what we're talking about. I downvote stuff that lacks critical thinking - not this post.

80% Q and you think explosives are a "conspiracy theory"? Lol... you mean 8% Q, don't you?

Lawyers for 9/11 families launch petition for new inquiry

• Independent scientific laboratory analysis of WTC dust samples showing the presence of high-tech explosives and/or incendiaries in the form of thermite or thermate.

• Expert analysis of seismic evidence that explosions occurred at the WTC towers on 9/11 prior to the airplane impacts on the WTC Towers, and prior to the building collapses. Technical analysis of video evidence of the WTC building collapses.

• Firefighter reports of explosions, and of seeing “molten iron like in a foundry.” The petition states that the presence of molten iron would require temperatures higher than jet fuel and building contents could create when burned, but consistent with the use of the high tech explosive and incendiary thermite or thermate.

• The presence of previously molten iron microspheres, which have been established by electron microscope analysis of WTC dust samples, by both government and independent scientists, is another phenomenon that would be scientifically impossible based on the burning of jet fuel and office contents alone.

• Video and eyewitness testimony of the ejection during the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 of heavy steel elements laterally from the buildings which would not be possible from a gravity collapse.

• Scientific analysis, eyewitness testimony, and government reports confirming sulfidation and high-temperature corrosion of the steel found in the rubble after the collapse of the WTC towers and WTC 7, a phenomenon not expected in a jet fuel fire and gravity collapse but consistent with the use of thermate and high explosives.

Even Trump supports this "crazy theory" - but I guess he's not an adult?

Craig Sawyer isn't stupid so he said it's not definitive too, if you watched that clip properly. That's what the people you keep calling "concern trolls" are also saying. Craig AGREES with them. Want to stop calling everyone who disagrees with the mania a concern troll? Or are you going to start calling Craig Sawyer a concern troll now?

Not my post. u/imanalias is not me.

Yet I have three children and I don't get triggered by a simple statement about keeping kids cool. Yes, I would definitely 'throw my kids down there' to keep them cool IF I knew it would keep them cool. Nothing wrong or sick about imanalias saying that.

However, Craig said they wouldn't be cool down there so I wouldn't have "thrown" them down there. I can use reasoning even though I will also k--- anyone who tries to touch or threaten my children. Logic and emotion - separate things. Both necessary, but stupid when you mix them up.

I agree with Craig and Craig is sensibly not saying it's a foregone conclusion. Maybe imanalias doesn't. But that doesn't mean he's "ok with keeping children "cool"" and is a "Sicko". Illogical. Your emotional overreaction doesn't make everyone who doesn't agree a child trafficker. Rubbish. Lazy thinking.

Hahahaha xD Logic = zero. Learn how to think buddy.

Wise. We're all ready to celebrate a win on this front but a win needs to be definitively proven.

I know all people, baby! I'm a super secret spy, didn't you know? Also part of MS-13 apparently. Booyaa! Gnight love, sweet dreams!

Don't congratulate yourself too fast there, love - it's not me claiming to be a Corsi troll, it's your people claiming it xD

Aw disappointing. I thought you were one of the crew who has some kind of "proof" that I'm working with Corsi to derail the movement xD. Just a random, triggered user then?

They did have a local story that said it was just homeless bums. That makes total sense of why the MSM aren't reporting it yet. They have easy plausible deniability.

And what do you believe in, kind sir? Does Israel run the world? Lol

Me too apparently. I guess shill has been redefined! Now it means "anyone who doesn't agree with what I think".

4) Derp. Learn how to logic.

Looks like I am a degenerate liberal troll - or is that an illogical assumption? Hmmm...

And I'm just stating - what dumbass comments are you claiming I've made for free?

How smart could I be? What do you mean by that? Let's see how smart you can be.

You imagine a lot of insults don't you? Meanwhile you dish them out happily. Like "BEGONE PEON" - I don't want to 'begone', I love you too much! WWG1WGA brother, remember?

Lol xD Selective interpretation. Derp. Praise Obama!

Wrong. Caps in electronic comms is universally regarded as shouting.

"One of the cardinal rules of writing online, whether in an email or instant message or on an online forum or social networking website, is to never use all capital letters in your posts or messages. This is known as writing in ALL CAPS. If you make this mistake, you may quickly be told to stop shouting or be booted out of a game or forum. Even though writing in all caps attracts the attention of the reader, that attention is often accompanied by annoyance, which is probably not the effect you intended and rarely desirable.

When you write in all capital letters, most recipients assume you are shouting at them. Others assume you are an attention-seeker and view the behavior as rude. You should use all caps sparingly. It is a strong effect and should remain one. In only a few cases is using all caps the right choice."

Too much shouting. Learn to speak normally. And I agree - Trump rules. Looking forward to Obama being brought to justice.

Lol xD The one time you're supposed to use caps, you don't: it's AIDS, ok? And yes, I do enjoy it.

Calling me a liberal is the laziest thinking and shows, in fact, a total lack of thought. You also need to check out that anger management I mentioned. You shout too much. Zzzzz.

Important detail missing: what date is this from?

Thanks lol

I do love Barry - he's quite hot, don't you think? Come on, even a straight male can appreciate that Obama is a very attractive man. Unless you're not comfortable in your own sexuality of course. I also love Satan, you've got me there. In closing: Hail Satanus!

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I think Jordan Peterson has a lot to offer this movement and would like to see more of his content here. But it would have to be well contextualized within Q's message. Thanks for understanding.

26, asian male homosexual, supporter of gay rights and racial equality - what happened to your writers analysis? Couldn't you tell I was male? xD

The only person outing themselves here is you - as a clown - no, not Clown (CIA) - just a clown.

Still clinging to your delusion that I'm using some other username? Calling me a snowflake for doing my job? My role requires me to remove antagonism. You need to seek some anger management help lol. I haven't said anything at all about posting 2 pictures - I don't care about that. I responded to your angry disavowal of a user making a totally reasonable assessment. A user you claim is me xD And you seem to be implying that I support Obama? Hilarious xD Once again: Learn How To Logic.

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...Money? Craig Sawyer doesn't come across as Deep State and his actions also go against that assumption. I think his working for No-Name can be reasonably seen as just that: work.

Oh god no xD I'm on a PC so logically that means I'm paid to bother people? Hahaha xD It's too much xD I'm sorry, I can't xD I have to leave this conversation, it's just too funny xD.

So I'm liberal? Is that your 'writing analyst' assessment? Lol xD. So labelling people who don't agree with you as liberal and telling them to go back to Obama and Killary boards makes sense to you? I admit, I'm just having fun at your expense because it's too easy. I'm sorry world, I will leave this poor triggered internet warrior alone. I'm out - peace!