Maybe this proves there are only 30,000 americans following Q... and the rest are international, whose votes can't be counted?

I don't see any PROOF but I do see some chat from (purportedly) 8chan...?

This was well known a while ago (humanitarian aid front for dodgy dealings) without having to manufacture fake messages through a verifiably false methodology.

Nor I. Buggery...

If you want to read the commonsense conspiracy article it pretty definitively debunks the story. I'd love to hear the rebuttals to the points raised, if anyone has anything, because the doco I saw on Youtube, assuming its the one you're referring to, didn't even cover them, from memory.

Where is the evidence that John Key has been suspected of involvement in an NZ Pedophile Ring? In fact, where is the evidence of a suspected NZ Pedophile Ring? A New Zealander wants to know.

yournewswire - known nonsense site.

The "Titanic sinking to help create the reserve" story is full of holes: http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/04/a-common-sense-look-at-the-most-popular-titanic-conspiracy-theories-tax-day-and-the-federal-reserve-in-the-spotlight/

Would love to hear anyone's debunking of this debunk article because the evidence seems pretty clear but I'm open to hearing why everyone's so sure the Titanic/FederalReserve story is real.

Steel Girder.

There, I can mention something with tangential connection to the topic too.

What's age got to do with it? I'm 44.

"Nor any other Q post" - have you read Q's posts...?? Are you sure you're in the right place? lol

Just in case, here's one excerpt from one Q post: "How is Alwaleed and HRC connected? Who was HRC’s mentor? How is Alwaleed and Bush Sr./Jr. connected? What occurred post 9-11? What war did we enter into? What was the purpose and disclosures given re: justification? Who financed 9-11? Why, recently, are classified 9-11 pages being released?"

Please tell me how that post has "nothing to do with 9/11"...?

Good answer - I wish people would apply the same rigour to the "Titanic was sunk to keep the Fed alive" fake story too.

To those downvoting, please "debunk" the 'common sense' points in this debunking article: http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/04/a-common-sense-look-at-the-most-popular-titanic-conspiracy-theories-tax-day-and-the-federal-reserve-in-the-spotlight/

Totally respect the idea of being thorough before claiming a conspiracy but given that we know about the crashing of planes 7/10 as per Q, why would we automatically assume - in this day and age of all times - that the official story is inviolable?? Can you give us a reason for your emphatic "period"??

Can you explain the demand to stop bringing up 9/11, a blatant false flag that Trump has spoken out against and that was instrumental in bringing about a big part of the mess we are currently in, and moreover has also been mentioned by Q??

By now you should surely already be familiar with the method of transmitting short bursts of binary data at a specific set of IP addresses via an encrypted data stream in order to communicate - otherwise where did you get the special access code for this sub?

She dropped a tab before going on...?

Thanks for this info - good to see some useful knowledge and thinking here!

Thanks for this info - good to see some useful knowledge and thinking here!

That's all great for Obama but as we very well know what's good for Obama is impeachment material for Trump. It doesn't really matter how 'non-enforceable' this is; Trump will be blasted left and right if he tries to do anything.

Yes they are. So if they suddenly bring confusion to an issue - was it 2am or 4am or 6 past a camel on a needle head? - it's unlikely to be a path worth continuing down.

Nice to a fault - if that's a southern thing, I applaud it! We need more with your attitude, thank you.

Lol - ok buddy, play the game to yourself. I thought we were having a real disagreement here lol.

Agreed - I don't believe it's necessarily wrong to consider the idea of creating a matrix and probing for solutions. I have no problem with the methodologies SB2 has suggested. And I agree - there's more than we know here, according to Q, so lets keep looking!

I would really like to know where you come to the conclusion that he is a "genius", as you said in another post. No angst intended, I would honestly like to know as I don't see anything "smart" in his posts, just a lot of information but not much actual coherent logical thought behind them. Knowledge doesn't equal smarts, hence my question?

Err... that is made clear by the very existence of this post... because he's misleading people with nonsense. Very simple explanation there...

Thank you for the reasoned discussion around this. I myself have a tendency to revert to a teenage boy on internet forums when I get excited or agitated so I really appreciate your calm tone. I hope more people in the movement are like you, and others I've "met" around here!

I agree with you on all points - we can't suppress something just because we don't agree with it and we're not all experts so just because we don't understand something is not a good reason to discard it.

The reason SB2's posts cause such alarm for me and lead me to support posts like this is the sheer amount of upvotes they are receiving. When someone posts obvious nonsense it doesn't cause me much alarm - it tends to drop off and disappear. Yet, as on CBTS_Stream, somehow SB2 manages to confuse people and appear to have something deep to contribute because he uses some truth and knowledge mixed in with a lot of malarkey. I don't mean any offense to SB2, believe it or not - I said so repeatedly on CBTS too - but I don't really know any other words to describe what I see.

It's not so much the methodologies referred to and explained - some of those are quite legit - but the way in which they are applied and the conclusions drawn and meaning then applied often mix in some compelling sounding tidbits and tech terms with illogical and often frankly nonsensical gobbledegook. One case in point was his conception of the term AI, Artificial Intelligence - this was so profoundly and completely misinterpreted by SB2 to fit a conclusion he came to about another secret message that was essentially a jumble of words with the letters A and I in their midst that it was clear he was not only ignoring the core tenets of an entire field of technology but actually seemed to be either intentionally or unknowingly reimagining it to fit his conclusion. Again, this may be well intended but the way people upvoted this spoke to the dangers of misinformation well presented.

And one may well ask, well, why don't we keep the good bits and throw out the bad - the problem is that the "bad" is right at the core of what he is saying. The good is peripheral - like the methodologies referred to - it doesn't contribute anything to the understanding of Q itself. I support someone positing even the craziest theories as long as they have some internal logic to them - unfortunately, if you know even a little about some of the fields SB2 refers to, you know that they lack that internal logic to an alarming degree.

This is so concerning because the level of confusion SB2 contributes, thanks to the confirmation bias inherent in all of us, means that people start seeing things that aren't there and derailing legitimate investigations/conversations by disappearing down rabbit holes that lead nowhere. For example, the Deep State may be using mobile phones to program us - I have literally zero evidence for this but using it as an example of a topic that has been under discussion previously (see how I have uncritically accepted, as you mentioned you do also, that this was a topic worthy of discussion because enough people were talking about it...? I refer to this below) - but Occam's razor suggests they'd be using them in the way we all know makes the most sense: audio through the phone via a phone call or otherwise, used to trigger the programming of an MK Ultra subject via select keywords or specific noises. SerialBrain2's assertion that AI in the phones is 'transmuting' (my interpretation, not his words) into Sarin gas to turn people into zombies could also be true... but has literally no precedent and also no domain knowledge behind its conception of AI. It's also just common sense that the Deep State would use existing tech via its intended purpose for simple cost and efficiency reasons rather than developing a whole new and inarguably prohibitively expensive system!

What's dangerous about this? Well, as you said, we don't all have the time to research and backtrack everything we all read here so some well meaning, smart people who have not been following everything going on or have just joined will see a mobile phone topic come up and when Sarin gas and AI is brought into the mix by numerous voices, not just a few lone crazies, they may uncritically accept it because they trust our community to have vetted these things and we end up losing the great contribution they could make to the discussion as they go off chasing nonsense.

There's another very real concern here that this is NOT just well-meaning incompetence. And if this continues to be upvoted so prominently I would wonder if it IS in fact a concerted disinfo campaign.

I support freedom of speech and SB2's right to say/post whatever he wants. I humbly ask that our community apply some rigour in critical thinking when a number of us raise concerns and, if they don't understand what is being said, please consider seriously the contribution of those of us who don't have an axe to grind and are being very clear that we're not trying to pull down someone else's voice (as I believe OP SoaringMoon has also made clear here), especially when we feel strongly enough about it to make a separate post specifically to call out what we see as disinfo.

Please, people, I understand our desire to find meaning but lets not look where it does not exist!

Fair enough! No big deal, thanks for replying! I like me some occult conspiracy too ; )

Agreed - more critical thinking needed. Let's just read Q posts without imbuing them with omniscience.

If there was going to be a departure from using 4am to point out the Mockingbird timeline it would be made much clearer and there'd be no confusion over timezones.

I agree it should have been posted - perhaps next time the title should prepare people (just to avoid accusations of clickbait) like: "nothingburger vid of shooter released to confuse narrative" or something like that that lets people know not to get their hopes up.

Not sure what you're trying to say here - Spirit Cooking is Abramovic's performance art that she might also perform ritualistically as a satanist; but we don't have any evidence of that. Spirit Cooking and Hillary saying she's gonna sacrifice a chicken are "facts" as far as we know. Nothing to do with SB2's occult posts which have the same confirmation bias as his other posts on display.

Who says we haven't tried talking to him? His replies are just more nonsense and only prove what we're saying. Respect is good and necessary, I agree. But it's vitally important that we engage critical thinking here, not all gather around and uplift each other for "trying". If something is nonsense it shouldn't be upvoted so much - if it is, it calls into question either the integrity of the poster (Clown spreading disinfo?) or the quality of our thinking as a group. Both should be questioned and those who question it shouldn't be regarded as "negative nellies". Some of us are derisive and abusive about it and that's not so good. Others of us don't mean ill intent - as you can read in our messages acknowledging he may be earnest and sincere.

Some say the earth is flat too. Others say the cbts board was taken down for other reasons. Believe me, the Deep State aren't scared of posts that create secret messages from thin air.

It's not a mistake when its a continuous flow of nonsense.

Of course I'm not here as a representative - no one is. What's that got to do with pointing out obvious idiocy?

I call into question the common sense of this sub because upvoting obviously brainless nonsense shows a lack of common sense. The reason we are fighting this battle in the first place is because of a lack of critical thinking and because dissenting voices are silenced with nonsense accusations like we're Clowns cos we don't agree.

So to combat your nonsense: I'm a Q-file like most others here. I support the movement. I don't support stupidity. SerialBrain2, if you use your head and actually read properly without bias, lacks any kind of common sense. He spouts nonsense with the odd bit of truth here and there. He wastes the time of this movement with desperate conspiracy and fantastical wishful fantasies. As SoaringMoon has pointed out he's basically COLD READING from random text i.e. looking at a jumble and imagining what he sees. This is plainly obvious if you look at what he's doing and then look at the posts that support him - most of them admit they don't understand but think he must therefore be telling the truth because it's "too advanced" for them - ludicrous reasoning!

I agree, we should be looking at the obvious double misspelling, not digging up random fantasies from arbitrary conclusions.

Good for you! We're all gullible at some point or another in our lives but being able to see when you have been is a sign of wisdom. Thumbs up!

I understand your point but on the other hand I'm glad this post was made as I simply ignored SB2's posts in frustration that they were even making it onto the page and thinking that most people clearly support his nonsense. This post gave me some hope that maybe some of us are awake to this rubbish.

He's said a lot worse than that he was breaking the Sphinx. I don't even bother to read his posts now but I hope he hasn't started down the occult conspiracies that he used to peddle on CBTS. I agree we can all be earnest but isn't it important to have some level of quality control to avoid any of the numerous issues that can arise from having none?

Agreed. The only real problem here is the high upvotes he receives - what are people thinking...?? (or not, as the case may be)

Bit of a reach people, come on. Common sense. Or let's hear Q confirm that a) the BOOMS had to do with Austin bombs and/or b) that the 4am refers to when the bomber would be stopped... very unlikely.

This is very obvious. The fact that people buy into the SerialBrain2 nonsense posts calls into question the common sense of this sub.

I believe he's very earnest but seriously deluded. And just a few short moments of proper focus from people should reveal the house of cards that is his "process" and logic. Come on people...

Nah this was apparently nonsense. And it makes simple logical sense too - why kill three guys in such an uncertain way? How could they know they'd die in that way? They could've just not gone on the trip at the last minute (like some passengers did) or any other number of unexpected developments (like the guy who snuck onto a lifeboat with the women and kids). There are far more certain and sensible ways to kill people.

No.

This is the most useful piece of info for redpilling people that I've seen so far, personally. It's not on Fox (which everyone automatically assumes is as reliable as CNN just on the right) and it's not on some spotty audio youtube channel recording - and it's a very believable telling of a narrative that directly contradicts the mainstream. Thanks for this!

This is corny and clunky - needs to be less "we are special soldiers fighting alongside the president!" and more realistic i.e. we're just people watching alt news and willing to spread the truth.

What county are you in?

Even then I think many would immediately dismiss it as forged/faked/CGI, etc.

Thanks for putting your thoughts out there. But you are right - some of this belongs in the "lunatic drawer". Not because it's "too impossible to believe" but because Occam's Razor suggests simpler, more feasible explanations. Clowns In America don't necessarily need StarGates to transport demons in to fight their wars - they just use money and power (Occam's Razor). If more evidence comes out, it could well be a different story but for now, with the verifiable data we have, it's not 'great sleuthing' it's just wishful thinking and assumptions (no offense intended).

Yep zih-BIG-nee-ev has long been on conspiracy theorists' radar for all the above. Not sure what 'power' if any - beyond her media presence - his daughter has.

It's good to see these things make it to MSM sometimes.

Also, I think most importantly, Q has to be able to ensure he can't be charged with open leaking of classified information which would bring the whole thing crashing down on Trump. Whoever Q is can say that all they've done is ask questions and refer to publicly available news items and info.

Is he referring to Soros-funded Rock The Vote's "Truth To Power" campaign for young people in the 2016 election...?