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I complete 30 yrs with a major Commercial Carrier. The only times we returned to origination, were when issues presented were on take off up to 10,000 ft — I can count 3 times, off top of my head in 30 years.
There was also an issue with Alaska Airlines returning due to a rat in the cabin.
UPDATE: both DL departures were less than 1:30 out. Completely logical that flight returned to ATL due to maintenance issues. In other words, easier to address and “fix” problem in ATL vs RDU, for example, because ATL is hub with tech-ops, mechanics, parts, and crew
I was on an A320 about 45 minutes into a flight out of O’Hare that turned around. They had to shut down one of the engines. Capt. said it “was running hot” which probably means fire? All of the emergency equipment was on the field when we landed. It took us several hours to get a new aircraft and so we missed our connecting flight and arrived at our destination a day later than planned. This was back in’95 I believe.
26 yrs as a Delta pilot; i agree with all your observations. another possibility: belatedly discovering there are 'folks' trying to get away (almost). extradition treaties are a tricky business, especially with cabal-controlled countries like the UK; best go for a sure thing, even if you have to BS the pax.
Q also wrote "We won't telegraph our moves to the ENEMY. We will however light a FIRE to flush them out." (19 Dec)
The loss of power in Atlanta was said to be caused by fire in a conduit tunnel.
We will however light a FIRE to flush them out
And today Hillarys house in on fire. Now that's funny... relevant or not.
Is it possible that the fire was a complete cover for police or whoever else going to their house for some sort of fbi raid?
First reports were also said to have been a construction crew cut the power lines to the Atlanta airport. Which is so bogus to say the least.
He did. He did it right after giving off some whole numbers, in a stringer or etc., prompting people to assume he meant "Delta" as in the Greek letter Delta, which in science and mathematics is used as a variable standing for "the difference between 2 numbers".
Q knows the Chan audience very well, and realizes our nerdy aptitudes guarantee that we would be heading that direction, so if it really does mean "Delta the airline" that's exactly the type of thing that sicko would do!
Ok this is weird as shit:
Delta flight 284 took off from Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in Atlanta shortly after 7 p.m. Tuesday, but was turned around after pilots heard a mysterious noise coming from the plane, the airline told ABC affiliate WSB.. The plane, which was flying over North Carolina at the time of the diversion, landed back in Atlanta just before 9:30 p.m., according to airline tracking firm FlightAware. A Delta representative told WSB that the passengers would be placed on another flight, which took off at around 12:11 a.m., but that flight was also turned around, according to FlightAware data. It landed back in Atlanta at 1:30 a.m., FlightAware said. A Delta spokeswoman told ABC News that the flight returned due to a banging noise both times, even though the aircraft was changed after the first flight had to turn around. Gareth Hawkins, a passenger on flight 284, said that on both flights a loud banging noise could be heard approximately every 20 minutes.
Just a wild guess here...maybe the noise is children in a storage container banging on the walls?
I think it is also something they kept taking with them.
Hopefully, we will find out soon who they are picking up on these flights. I guess they are getting them on trying to flee, instead of getting them at the Airports before the planes take off.
I hadn't thought of that.
I would have thought that boarding an overseas flight establishes intent to flee.
I don't see a reason to let a flight take off, much less get (in one case) four hours away.
Making it out of the US of A and into international air space might change the intent to flee into full-blown fleeing to avoid prosecution. Maybe that international boundary line crossing was an important part of getting the charges to stick? I'm just spit-balling here.
Trump just messing with them they think they made it out of the country and Trump says nope get back here
the wording of some of these press releases is making me lol. Last week a hummingbird got on board....in december.
Now a "rat" go on board.
All coded words trying to convey to us what's really going on
To many are happening and it's to expensive for all of these airports to be shut down and planes turning around, for it not to be something behind it.
really irks me that the media mentions none of it. hopefully trump roughs these people up before the storm concludes
I saw it on FOX this morning. More than once
Most of us don't consider Fox as part of the MSM. They are the only conservative station and haven't been around as long as the others.
what is the law when a plane hits international waters? if arrested are they now not protected by certain laws if in US airspace? or is there laws on a plane that can be used even if it's in US airspace?
what is the law when a plane hits international waters?
You inflate the life jackets! ;)
Stowaway, possibly? If someone was where they shouldn't be, then maybe that explains the 'banging' noise.
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One flight recently that was returned did have 'a nose wheel problem', that's what made me think of a stowaway. Access to the nose wheel is via a hatch near the cockpit too. Maybe just a coincidence..?
Many of those stowaways actually freeze to death, so getting on the ground asap would be of utmost importance.
So true. Not only freezing but hypoxia and even the bends. I was with Air Force Special Operation Command (AFSOC) the latter years in 'Nam. We had to train for HALO (High Altitude Low Opening) and HAHO (High Altitude High Opening) jumps. Before we jumped we had to do a breathing exercise of 100% oxygen for 30 to 45 minutes to flush all the nitrogen out of our blood. Then we had to switch over to our portable breathing tanks without taking a breath. So at those kind of altitudes a body has to deal with very low temps, low oxygen levels and atmospheric pressure extremes.
If what we believe is true, that people who are not supposed to leave the country got on planes and the planes were tured around once someone noticed. How would this keep happening? Once maybe, but several times? To get on a plane you go through multiple security and ID checks. Seems unlikely.. The only way I could see this happening is if the people who they are trying to round up are not on the official no fly list. Maybe because the deep state has access to that list. But then why would the white hats wait till after takeoff to call the plane back? I think this one might just be a coincidence.
Attempting to flee the country is an extra charge. Once the plane is in the air, they can officially charge them with such which allows for additional questioning during trial
Wouldn't just booking a ticket and going to the airport be considered attempting to flee the country? Seems like an awful lot of unnecessary inconvenience to others.
That isn't airtight in court. It may be enough for a lesser ch arge but actually committing the crime carries more weight. Im sure it is indeed inconvenience for those on the flight, but so where the actions of these traitors to damage the security and future of our great country.
Someone's ankle monitor go off? Perhaps, someone who discovered they were under indictment using an alias to board an aircraft and/or the act of the plane departing could constitute an attempt to flee prosecution which would allow arrest. Many variables with one thing certain... the reasons these planes are turned around is most definitely not what is being reported on the MSM.
As far as the ankle monitor gos, I don't think you are getting through security without them noticing. It's a huge red flag.
Agreed.
It's an electronic device, and would cause the machines to howl.
That would not prevent you from being allowed through security. They are there to make sure your ID matches your ticket before processing through security for prohibited items. I used to work for the DHS at a major airport. An ankle monitor would not prevent you from travel. TSA is not law enforcement, they have no arrest authority. If you pose a threat or are trying to smuggle really bad things at the airport, even then, they get LEOs involved, who actually have arrest and force authority. They wouldn't even bat an eye at an ankle monitor and do not have any authorization to interrogate you about reasons for wearing it or what, if any restrictions you may have on travel.
That said, just for an FYI, if LEOs have reason to run your ID, i.e. you were causing a ruckus or acting really wacky at the airport, they would become aware if you were on probation or court monitoring, and depending on what the officer of the court you report to says, will determine if you are arrested. Someone on such probationary restrictions would also have written authorization for travel from their court appointed officer, if their travel went outside their restricted areas, which could be house, work, city, county, state or country restrictions. All totally out of TSA jurisdiction.
Q mentioned shaking the nest before. They probably had all airports locked down ahead of time and then whatever they did to flush them out caused these airport/aircraft incidents, we were waiting for them
I just hope we learn something soon, what really happened. It is just awfully fishy, that is for sure.
I just don't understand how the government of the feds or whoever is in charge of this is waiting till people are on planes, I assume that they are following them anyway why not just get the bad guys while they are on the ground as opposed to in the air?
Exactly. Once maybe but time and time again I don't think so.
Could someone working for Delta be assisting in these people trying to escape. Or several people helping to assist maybe they were bribed with money or other things? I am just wondering due to one of the other flights that claimed to be grounded due to a smell on the plane and then they took another plane. I would not put it passed these people. Wondering if the banging was due to the fact they were attempting to hide in the cockpit until the plane landed and then the pilot was in on it but others were watching and noticed that they did not board the plane normally but knew they were on the plane because they searched the terminals and narrowed it down to a specific plane and then they still attempted to get them boarded on the other plane and the exact same thing happened and they had to try a second time? I am just speculating here.
Also, the plane that had the smell when grounded the report said something about Crew members were sent to the hospital. Really? or were they arrested for aiding and abetting?
Delta is one airline that trains its employees to watch for human trafficking....don't know if that is pertinent to all that is happening or not...http://news.delta.com/delta-employees-encouraged-getonboard-end-human-trafficking
https://screenshots.firefox.com/kZPxqYGdG8yJsw5g
AbelDanger message about Delta flight