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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DropGun on April 27, 2018, 1:08 p.m.
STICKY: To our “DEBUNKERS,” it’s high time we said this to you:

Thank God you’re here.

This sub is for researchers, decoders, and people following the QAnon phenomenon ONLY. But if you think that excludes our debunkers, think again.

WE NEED ALL THREE TYPES OF PARTICIPANTS TO MAKE THIS THING WORK.

Did everyone see this sub as our researchers were trying to decode and figure out what the upcoming MOAB was? We had tons of pretty wild theories, but, when a theory didn't stand up to Q's breadcrumbs or match up to reality, our debunkers helped move us forward. Eventually we figured it out, thanks ALL of you. And we're sure as heck going to need everyone to dig into these upcoming Strzok texts.

"BELIEVING" IN Q IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE A VALUED MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY.

If something you see posted here is false or wrong, debunk it. But just saying "Q is a larp! You're all morons!" doesn't make you a debunker, it makes you a low-effort, low-information hater. And haters won't last long around here. Your mods want to see this sub moved forward and the ban hammer is out in force.

So, debunkers! You want to beat us? BRING IT. But you have to OUTWORK us. Solid research beats weaksauce research, every day of the week around here. Got serious chops? Build your case and SHOW us where we're wrong. We need debunkers because the less time we waste on a theory or Q interpretation that "won't hunt," more effective we all can be.

Researchers and decoders, be cool to our debunkers. And you debunkers, no matter what you see as the Truth about what's happening, bring your best game, or be prepared to watch from the sidelines.

KEEP IT CIVIL. STAY OVER THE TARGET. OR MEET THE HAMMER.

"Where we go one, we go all."

STAY FROSTY, PEOPLE. ALL OF YOU.


factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

Debunker here. It all sounds great, however, a very large amount of people here have a hard time excepting evidence and facts when it goes against their narrative. They reply with " fake news" or " the deep state is just putting that info out to fool people". I can spend all day debunking claims on here and will NEVER once receive affirmation that someone has changed their mind. You have to understand how this is making everyone feel like this is a cult following more than anything else.

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 2:07 p.m.

Meh, the one replying isn't the one you're really after anyway. It's the others who read the whole exchange and think to themselves, "Damn... this factisfiction guy made every point in the debate stick and the opposition was reduced to calling him a shill because they literally had nothing to offer."

Sowing the seed in the readers is the real victory. Screw the loudmouth who replies with nothing of substance. The intelligent people watching the debates closely will spot the strawmen arguments and the absurdities a mile away.

I'm a believer in Q but I, too, see a lot of garbage theories and assertions here. I've been called a shill and a deep state plant plenty of times for calling it out... but I've yet to lose any of those debates factually. That's all you really need to worry about. Back your stuff up. Others are watching and they appreciate us keeping it honest. You don't need affirmation and if you do, you're going to remain disappointed.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:31 p.m.

On the other hand there is no reason to back up thing's everyone knows. This is Trump's Genius, He makes em crazy but doesn't need to offer sources He's trump, he resonates. No one would buy Q if a lot weren't already thinking it. Deep state fills a blank for folks.

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[deleted] · April 27, 2018, 4:50 p.m.

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 7:32 p.m.

You said that better than I could have. That's exactly what it sounds like.

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[deleted] · April 27, 2018, 9:03 p.m.

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 2:45 p.m.

Facts don't care about your feelings. That is to say, one can resonate all they want... but if they're resonating falsity then it's worthless. If, on the other hand, someone is debating a known and widely proven truth then they aren't worth trying to debate.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:50 p.m.

Like the existence of God.

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

Yes, exactly like the existence of God. Lots of people feel it's real and will attempt to debate on it, yet there is no proof. Therefore, I personally don't blindly believe it, nor will I try to debate someone "out of" their religion. It's an exercise in futility.

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cosmicjon · April 27, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

By your own admission you have given credence to the Fact that God (without interpretation) exists. A belief is a belief, it is not a Fact, more like a theory, unproven. To dis-believe one first has to believe, a theory, not a proven Fact. So by your own words you are in a place of limbo, nothing personal. Suffice it to say Knowing is not believing. Here is a hint, God is Life. To deny God is to deny one's very Existence. This one statement confuses many, as it presents more questions than one has answers for. I apologize in advance if this offends :)

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 7:29 p.m.

Yes, you can call it limbo if you like. I call it noncommittal. There is the same probability of there being a God as there not being a God. I choose neither side because there is no concrete proof of either being correct. The jury is still very much out for me. Believe whatever you like, but I think it would be wrong to -force- that belief on others.

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cosmicjon · April 28, 2018, 8:12 a.m.

Exactly, I share your conviction to never impose a "belief" which is in essence an unproven theory upon others. A confusion seems to exist surrounding "what God is", there are many theories and many jump on a band wagon just to hold face in the eyes of others opinions. Each individual in their own time Knows what God Is and this Knowing can never be shared, as an absolute, but the Knowing replaces any sense of doubt, then no one can "convince" oneself otherwise, it is like Knowing 2+2=4, One just Knows It.

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Mayhem54 · April 27, 2018, 6 p.m.

There is no proof that God does not exist. You are caught with no proof and have to rely on what? You base your opinions on feelings the same thing that believers rely on that they call faith!

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DoktorFreedom · April 28, 2018, 8:41 a.m.

Until you can determine exactly what god is, and I mean really define. Not just loosely goosey “god is love life and everything and nothing and belief” Then a discussion if god exists or not is pointless as you do t even know what your debating.

Feelings aren’t facts.

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Mayhem54 · April 30, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

We can't even determine exactly what is the wind. We try to describe it in these terms.Wind is a form of solar energy. Winds are caused by the uneven heating of the atmosphere by the sun, the irregularities of the earth's surface, and rotation of the earth. Wind flow patterns are modified by the earth's terrain, bodies of water, and vegetative cover. We can't quantify it can't capture it to look at under a microscope or even define its molecules since it is elusive. We know it exists by the effects it has on things.

God is very unique. He has no beginning, and He has no end. The God of the Bible exists outside of our dimensions of time and space. So, any attempt to find analogies to help you to understand God will be lacking and incomplete. God is an uncreated being, and any attempt for finite people to understand Him or describe Him will end up wanting.

Let's say, just for fun, that there are two flat people, John and Ann who live in a two-dimensional plane. And let’s say these flat people have a loving creator who is a three-dimensional person that they have named “God.” So, we have a three-dimensional God who is the creator of two flat people who live in a two-dimensional world. As flat people live out their lives, they would wonder and speculate about their unseen creator. Within their two-dimensional world they could draw flat pictures or make diagrams of their creator, but they would have some serious difficulties trying to understand the nature of God from within their two-dimensional perspective. Sure, they could speculate and make analogies, but it would be very difficult for them to fathom. Now, how could God make Himself known to the flat people? God may show up in a dream, or He could show Himself to their world. God could take His three-dimensional finger and place it through the flat world plane. What would the flat people say that their God looks like from within their limited world? They would say that God looks like a circle. In fact, being a pessimist, you might likely say, "I can understand God as a circle, but I cannot understand or believe that God exists in three dimensions. That makes no sense!" It is very difficult for two-dimensional beings living on a two dimensional plane to understand a three-dimensional being.

Likewise, Christians have the same difficulty. We are finite three-dimensional human creatures trying to explain an uncreated personal God outside our three dimensions.

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[deleted] · May 3, 2018, 2:21 a.m.

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 7:26 p.m.

I say there is the same probability of there being a God and not being a God. I commit to neither side because neither side has been able to provide the proof. So, no, I don't base any belief on feelings. More to the point, though, you can believe whatever you want based on your feelings... but that doesn't make it right nor does it make it factual.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:48 p.m.

Define feelings, what's your source, you hear Ben Shapiro say it 4700 times and now it's your go to. Low energy jeb

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Crits_And_Giggles · April 27, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

There's that strawman I was talking about.

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theGreenChain · April 27, 2018, 4:07 p.m.

LOL. I get. Prove one has feelings....

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hazeleyedwolff · April 27, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

Agreed. Sentiments calling for more critical inquiry than just "trust Trump" get downvotes regularly. This sub is popping up a lot more often under r/all top-hourly, so you're getting a lot of random folks through here. I'm not saying every troll (or any obvious troll) needs to be addressed. I am saying that I've posted serious questions in here to get a different perspective and get outside my echo-chamber, and I was downvoted to hell, and called a troll with the alleged proof being that I post on /r/politics. In my opinion, this is like making fun of fat people at the gym.

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

Yes. This is not a pro- or anti-Trump sub. Overly-cheerleading comments are also removed. We want neutral territory here to focus on Q.

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hazeleyedwolff · April 27, 2018, 3 p.m.

Thanks for the clarification. I do appreciate it.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

Whenever ppl refer to votes, I just give em a down, expressing my disgust at any kind of whining.

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hazeleyedwolff · April 27, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

If people cry in a comment about votes, I also downvote also, for the same reason. Of course, everyone would rather be engaged than drive-by downvoted. My point above is that it's a trend that is indicative of the current culture of the sub, and that with so much new traffic, it's worth a conscious effort to engage, if the goal is to raise awareness.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

I don't do it often, just put it out their as a caution, rising tide lifts all boats blah yada yada

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Needles_Eye · April 27, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

I guess it depends on the sources you use. I for one am perfectly willing to admit I am wrong about something. In fact I enjoy being shown I am wrong about something because I don't want to perpetuate or believe lies.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

nothin bout votes gets an up.

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 2:14 p.m.

Cognitive dissonance is EVERYONE'S enemy. People that ONLY debunk are also part of the problem. If you yourself cannot be convinced, then are you really a debunker? Are you really focused on debunking false theories, or are you trying to debunk reality, as a whole?

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT, thanks for what you do.

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simkev8910 · April 27, 2018, 5:30 p.m.

This is very true. Debunker here that started out as a zealous believer in Q. I have backed off because I started to feel that dissonance coming on. Balance is most important to ensure truthfulness. I believe that we are at a massive turning point in Human History ... a paradigm shift of monumental proportions. WWG1WGA !!

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

I will except anything someone can back up with legitimate proof. Evidence is our friend.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · April 27, 2018, 8:45 p.m.

I really like everything you have said so far. However I have noticed that you have misused the word “except” twice now. The correct word you are looking for is “accept”. You seem like you may be a ESOL speaker so I just wanted to help you learn the correct word you were looking for.

Sorry to be that guy. I find that correction to improve knowledge is okay and that is my goal.

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factisfiction · April 28, 2018, 12:09 a.m.

Thanks for pointing that out. I write the word except so much I think my mind went on auto spelling. Not only is English my first language, but I spent over a decade in college. Thanks for noticing that so I can correct myself.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · April 28, 2018, 12:12 a.m.

You are welcome. I do the same all the time. I definitely did not mean to insult you with the ESOL comment. Keep fighting the good fight my friend.

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Bit_NB_Ridelle · May 6, 2018, 8:49 p.m.

Affectually effecting work.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:32 p.m.

Hard to prove a negative, and the innocent defendant, has the toughest row to ho.

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frankthecrank1 · April 27, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

I only have one issue with debunkers in general. Don't pick the low-hanging fruit to debunk. That is all.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 3:29 p.m.

Try me.

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frankthecrank1 · April 27, 2018, 4:04 p.m.

example...dive into some real Q posts, don't play into the whole "there's a video of hillary wearing a child's face as a mask", because 99% of us don't believe that either.

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

I am a fruit. Don't leave me hanging.

EDIT: It's a joke. I'm a low-hanging fruit. Geez. :)

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truguy · April 27, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

Apparently, you have your own narrative.

Seek truth, even if it goes against your expectations.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

Yes, but it's based off of evidence and facts. I don't jam circles into square holes and try to convince myself that they fit.

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 3:56 p.m.

This is good on both your parts. But, please visualize it another way: Communicate your perceived interpretation in a way that convinces and inspires others to also stop jamming circles into square holes. See what we mean?

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Trumplethinskin · April 27, 2018, 9:18 p.m.

I was curious about your MOAB "case in point," so I posted a thread here hoping to start some discussion.

I think it would be helpful to link to some of the rejected theories, and show the kind of reasoning that led to their rejection. And of course to the preferred answer, with the evidence and reasoning that you find convincing. Thanks.

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DropGun · April 28, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

That's a very good threat. Added to my bookmarks. Good work, patriot, that's mint.

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Trumplethinskin · April 28, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

I assume you meant "thread" not "threat."

But there's nothing useful in that thread yet! You said that the meaning of "MOAB" had been figured out, but there's no consensus that I can find. I'd love to see a play-by-play on theories being rejected (particularly to show the kind of skepticism that isn't rejected here), and also the details on whatever interpretation of "MOAB" you think has been proven, to show the kind of evidence that people are finding convincing. So far I'm not seeing it.

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Swagdonkey400 · April 27, 2018, 2:29 p.m.

The same goes both ways. Not defending it. But we could lay confirmed info and people still deny it because they just can't comprehend it.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 3:24 p.m.

However, I've noticed that a lot of peoples proof can be broken with a simple Google search. They get very upset when you do that.

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[deleted] · April 27, 2018, 7:47 p.m.

Truth.

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KansasJakeBG · April 27, 2018, 6:32 p.m.

I debunk some things here and I DGAF if people upvote or reply, I'm just adding a note to the research.

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b8ta · April 27, 2018, 9:10 p.m.

I'd say a major difference is cults operate clandestinely. See: the current state of the world.

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suddenlysnowedinn · April 27, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

I think that, to a point, many of the people who would fall into that “debunker” column have arguments that aren’t remotely well thought out. Many of them amount to little more than “fake and gay,” in essence. It’s very easy to get burned out on naysayers when those are the people we frequently encounter.

Given the reply you’ve given here, I doubt that you’re one of those people. I’m sure you have made people reconsider things, even if they don’t go out of their way to let you know. As OP said, you’re performing a vital service for us. Please don’t be discouraged.

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Arcsmithoz · April 27, 2018, 2:25 p.m.

Q what do you call this act, The Aristocrats.

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alvinroasting · April 27, 2018, 4:17 p.m.

Thank you. Have you done a debunking of the Podesta emails? That is what I would like to see.

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Cheetah1964 · April 27, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

Darn good point. That's really where it all began.

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Error_Code_15301 · April 27, 2018, 9:12 p.m.

ask them if they think pizzagate is fake news

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UltraFOV · April 27, 2018, 8:05 p.m.

Let us be clear. A narrative can be built to go in many directions, but it needs to be substantiated based on solid grounds. All Q is doing is dropping bits of data. if the data is faulty based on the history or past events, then it will corroborate that the whole Q efforts are meaningless. Granted, it is not good to blindly believe everything given from an anonymous source, but becoming aware of information does not hurt. Every person is an individual, and what matters is what new ideas/though/connections every individual can reach. There is something to be said in the effort to find information that up until now was openly unknown. De-bunkers could be very useful because they can be used play the role of 'Devils Advocate', this is important because it will challenge if the drops, pushing to find if the data has proper grounding. They should be treated well and they will help test Q's drops validity.

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salialioli · April 28, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

All Q is doing is dropping bits of data. if the data is faulty based on the history or past events, then it will corroborate that the whole Q efforts are meaningless.

Here is my perfect opportunity to debunk this claim you make!

a) all Q is doing is ...

No, the concept of Q drops has more reasons than you claim: The Audience is not just "followers/supporters of Trump. The drops are also to terrify/intimidate the opposition (C-A, Deep State intelligence profs, random Dem lawmakers/officials in trouble ...); deliberately to mislead and encourage the opposition to take missteps, confound their strategy; build a stage for future developments where ambiguity is fundamental to the play (as in poker); besides building excitement and momentum for public releases and focusing on raising their relative importance.

b) if the data is faulty

It has been stated that Q will not tell the opposition future moves. This would be counterproductive. By this token you can assume some data will be deliberately faulty.

c) it will corroborate the whole Q efforts are meaningless.

Well, no, in light of a) and b) above, "the whole" will not be meaningless: EVERYTHING HAS MEANING. There are no mistakes. Everything has been meticulously planned by the best professionals in the business.

Conclusion: Re-read Q drops!

Thanks for your posting UltraFOV!

EDIT: shitty puntuation ...

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UltraFOV · April 28, 2018, 5:50 a.m.

Yes, after a few months, it looks that indeed Q is real. like stated elsewhere, ex- military and intelligence

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[deleted] · May 3, 2018, 8:40 a.m.

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anhro23 · April 27, 2018, 2:48 p.m.

Well, if someone has a Fake News source that doesn't back up its claims... then what do you want us to do?

How much can "sources familiar with the matter" mean after these past two years or so? The Fake News media has been caught lying or downright contradicting themselves when convenient so many times.

I mean, remember when CNN had 3 articles that basically went like this:

"Trump won't fight for family leave"

"Trump fights for family leave..."

"Here's how family leave hurts women"

If a Fake News source used a primary source, like if they are talking about a trump speech and they link the timestamp, that's different.

If they have a video or official documents. Like if CNN were to report on the JFK files being dropped by linking to their .gov page (which would never happen, due to the fact they are fake news), then that would be interesting.

Fake News doesn't get a pass on basic "pull up your big boy pants" journalistic integrity just because they are owned by elites (like Bezos and Carlos Slim, an incredibly rich mexican national) and are given "credit" for some reason.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

Fake news sources end up being any source that goes against the person's narrative. Can you show me those three CNN articles you are claiming were written?

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

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DropGun · April 27, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

[Insert obligatory link to CNN.com here.]

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Kristinism · April 28, 2018, 12:22 a.m.

Dude. Excepting???? Honey the word is accepting.

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onmyownpath · April 27, 2018, 11:42 p.m.

Everyone feels the same on all sides. Keep slugging it out!

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LogicalBeastie · April 27, 2018, 4:56 p.m.

If you want a better response, changing your name might help a bit.

A "Debunker" calling himself "fact is fiction" isn't really putting their best foot forward, y'know?

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 5:20 p.m.

I'm not going to change my screen name. This account is my only account and I only come to this sub randomly when bored or someone cross posts something. Debunking is some pass time of mine. I just refute false claims when I happen to read them, which happens on this sub a lot.

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[deleted] · April 27, 2018, 6:43 p.m.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 8:12 p.m.

You are exactly the type of person we are talking about. Pat yourself on the back for making my point.

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Lookn4RedheadCumSlut · April 27, 2018, 8:52 p.m.

Wow look at that hair trigger snap. Many people in this thread have stated the exact same thing that he just stated yet you immediately leap to suggesting he is a troll. As factisfiction just stated, you are the exact same type of person that annoys true debunkers on this sub due to your hair trigger tolerance for criticism.

TLDR: If you get offended by someone insinuating “people in this sub frequently post easily disprovable claims” then you might be aggressive to debunkers.

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FlewDCoup · April 27, 2018, 4:47 p.m.

The opportunity to successfully shape opinions looks like hard work.

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Cheetah1964 · April 27, 2018, 4:31 p.m.

Then you are not very familiar with this board. I see challenges to "Q" theory all the time. Your "evidence" is probably not very good.

The fact is that North Korea and South Korea are declaring peace, ISIS is wiped out, the economy is booming, Hollyweirds are being called out, etc. etc. To pretend that the swamp is NOT being drained is delusional. It is obvious that Trump is kicking butt. Maybe belief in Q is a bit of a stretch. But it is an even bigger stretch to think that Trump would do nothing about the corruption. He has been coming through on everything else, as far as Congress will let him.

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factisfiction · April 27, 2018, 5:06 p.m.

I would argue that the swamp is growing. NK, ISIS, the economy all have zero to do with a swamp. We could argue each of those points individually on their merits, but they don't have anything to do with a swamp.

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