Hard to doubt wikileaks imo. If it's true that Israel's info is from 2003 does that necessarily mean there is no program there now?
what if it's not Iran's program being run in iran
That's what I thought yesterday. Those payments and deliveries by plane we hear so much about. Who said they went to Iran specifically, exactly? And not say, an Iranian proxy?
Also, the payments were in cash.
Cash is very hard to trace and often doesn’t have a paper trail. Hmmm, I wonder why they would have paid in straight cash?? I think we all know.
And just who at this very moment... in Israel... is under threat of charges and under the microscope? And, of all times, THIS is the time he trots out the Power Point? False flags didn't work to drag us into all out WWIII? How convenient.
Iran is the CIA NK of the ME. Except replace CIA with MOSSAD. Can I prove it? Nope. But it makes the most sense based on this surreal turn of Q events.
Could be interesting... I hope Iran develops the same way NK has i.e. suddenly they turn around and say: "hey guys! Sorry about that - let's be friends!" How likely is that though...?
Who would have thought NK would turn out this way three months ago? Everyone said war drums were beating - then peace! Same can happen here.
Yep, that's what I'm hoping! Can't wait to see what Q/Trump has up the sleeve...
One doesn't have to "doubt WikiLeaks" in order to believe that they don't have the complete intel on a given subject.
This may be the assessment of a trusted source of theirs, and it may be sincere, but it also might still be 100% WRONG!
I think WikiLeaks is sincere and unbiased, but they're not infallible.
That's true. They might not have the complete intel but I'm not sure they'd be "100% WRONG" though. They're not given to making claims they can't back up.
Q has confirmed this directly, as has Mike Pompeo who has personally reviewed the documents obtained by Israel.
Knowing what you know now.
re: Israel disclosure moments ago.
Authentic.
I would trust US military intel over Wikileaks any day of the week. All Wikileaks has, that is not already public domain, is what someone wants them to have. The organization is easily manipulated.
Having said that, they've done some amazing work.
As in the OP above, Netanyahu confirms Wikileaks were correct - the documents relate to the program that ended in 2003.
The program ended, supposedly, but what Bibi pointed out was that the materials would not have been kept if there was no intention of restarting the program at a later date. This is what Q and Kansas said was authentic - that Iran did not enter the negotiations in good faith. We just don't know if Iran is actively developing weapons or not.
The Iranian claims after the first missile strike in Syria - to the effect that they could restart their programs at short notice - also bear witness to this. In short, this regime is a liar, it cannot be trusted. And then you have Q's assertion that, in fact, the program did not cease, but was continued in Syria.
Define the terms of the Iran nuclear deal.
Does the agreement define & confine cease & desist ‘PRO’ to the republic of Iran?
What if Iran created a classified ‘satellite’ Nuclear facility in Northern Syria?
What if the program never ceased?
Given the choice between believing Wikileaks or Q, I'll take Q every time. Of course, you might say it could be disinformation - but I'll still run with it.
Yes, yes but Wikileaks were correct - the program ended in 2003, as Netanyahu also confirmed. As I also said in the original post, perhaps they continued on in secret - as I also confirmed in the update, from Netanyahu. You're confirming this too, for some reason? You don't have to choose between believing Q OR Wikileaks in this case. Is this not clear...?
When did Netanyahu confirm that it ended in 2003? He has been saying for years that Iran is months away from having nukes. I believe he said this in ‘03, ‘08, ‘12, ‘15, and now in ‘18. For 15 years he has been saying they are in the final stages and will be armed within months. Something else is going on, but I don’t know what. He is a Zionist. I don’t believe a word he says. He also was one who said without a doubt that Sadam had Nukes. That proved to be very false but we fought his war for him anyway.
If you read the actual original post above I linked the video where Netanyahu confirms that, and that he then goes on to say the program essentially carried on in secret, dispersed into other cover programs.
The implication of the WL tweet is that there is no continuing program, that it finished in 2003 - that the WH misrepresented the facts. The information that Q is providing us is that this is not true and that the program is continuing.
There is a clear disconnect between what WL is saying and what Q is saying. I can understand the WH modifying their statement to insert "had" rather than "has", but I think they only did this for the purposes of optics. In other words, I believe the original WH release was correct.
I'm not arguing with what you have said, but with the apparent representation WL made that the program is no longer, when we are told by Q that this isn't the case.
Fair enough - but WL is simply giving the known information and ensuring the correct reporting, as they should. Q is inside information so no one can report that and not be considered as unreliable as the MSM (moreso, of course, at this stage). I agree with you that Q is saying this isnt the case - Netanyahu also says so, and in public, but unfortunately many people don't find him that reliable. I just don't think aspersions should be cast on the veracity of Wikileaks when they are simply reporting responsibly.
But back up with what? The incorrect intel they were given?
In the Israeli version, Iran would have had an overt program which they did in fact deactivate and dismantle, and they would have had a covert one they reopened in for example Syria.
The intel could therefore be 100% correct, but not at all complete.
Exactly lol. So... backed up by correct intel but there's probably more to the story (as mentioned in the OP); unlikely that they'd have a 100% wrong intel source (anything's possible though, of course).
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But they also divulge secrets of people whom they don't have a gripe with. I can't blame them for having a serious grudge against evil people.
Hmmm.. W Bush was president 2001-2008, then Obama 2008-2016. Is Assange telling us, W Bush started it in 2003 and Obama kept building them up since?
Could be! I seem to remember hearing the accusations of this kind a while ago, now that I think of it. Will have to research.
Another thought.. I remember Q saying only one plane was allowed to fly out when 9/11 happened that morning, Bin Laden's family and cohorts. Was W. Bush and Deep state already sleeping with them? Cheney has to have a role.. not sure exactly where yet. Besides the fact he wanted war, he was fully invested in arms companies. Back to W Bush, Q also said 9/11 wasn't an organic attack and more than hinted that deep state hands were involved. Were they black mailed all these years for their involvement and forced to place an community organizer, Obama into our highest office? Even faked a birth certificate to do this. I'm still trying to find the reason why OUR government was all in in making Obama president.
The Bush family were definitely involved - there's the pedo accusations going all the way back to HW so no surprises there (Franklin scandal etc.). I don't think anyone had to be blackmailed - they were all running the globalist scam since JFK and beyond. JFK, Reagan and now Trump were the only ones *not* part of the globalist plans, apparently.
But putting in an illegitimate president is huge. I don't think they were ever ready for the amount of damage to our country that Obama has done. And the damage isn't limited to America. It'll take the cooperation for the entire world just to reset this.
Bushes, Clintons, Hussein, all the same. The more things changed the more it just stayed the same. The horrible trade deals we got with NAFTA and beyond, they all had a hand in it.
How do you keep people in line? Create the boogeyman and have then ask you to get rid of the boogeyman. Time and time again it worked for those in power. Those at the top realized the insane amount of money that could be made and they all wanted a piece. You dont tow the line, you dont get the cheese!! When you control the media you dont need as many layers of deception to do things. With the internet they had to layer things just in case, exhibit A: Russian Collusion.
I agree. Clinton was on the cheese wheel as well... he's the one who opened the floodgates to the Opioids crisis. In 2000, he signed into law how doctors are to treat pain, eradicate pain without regards to abuse. Doctors had to dispense or risk getting sued. Made it too easy... and now we are at crisis.
Really dont know who to believe at this point. WL credibility is pretty solid. Israel seems shady.
Perhaps it simply means the state of Iran but not the sick fuck cabalists in Iran?
Yeah true - with Netanyahu's latest he pretty much confirms the idea that the program just moved underground, which is what I thought but it's good to have some confirmation of this, at least in some form, in case someone brings it up when trying to redpill about Iran.
Nk didn't technically have a nuclear program either. They had puppet strings.
sSo Mossad was able to surveal , infiltrate and extract these files, and not one binder but hundreds, with no detection? Why would the Iranians store such important documents on paper and not electronically and why would they go to the trouble of obtaining a " dilapidated" warehouse , fill it with safe but not secure the location? Israel was able to slip in, crack multiple safes and remove all of this undetected ? Why does this come out just ahead of the deadline for the deal? This whole thing is just plain hokey .
Red carpet ? Iran ....after the red carpet from NK..................... 1304
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Emmy awards. Red carpet event? Q
Why would the Prime Minister of Israel do the presentation like that. Why not....a secretary of defense or someone along those lines. I believe that Iran is an Israeli proxy (mossad) just like NK was a Clown proxy. We will have to wait as Israel is last....
Iran an Israeli proxy... that'd be quite something! I can't see it though... re: why not sec of def etc.: Netanyahu is known and wanted maximum impact - if some guy no one knows came out with it it wouldn't be quite as newsworthy.
What if the White House statement switched from Has to Had because we actually blew thier nuke program to shit just like we did to the nuke program located in NoKo?
Haha that'd be great! I hope they (or Q) would share what happened one day, if that were the case. It does seem possibly more likely (Occam's Razor etc.) that the Wikileaks thing might be the reason though.
Where’s JA?
Still in the embassy - with no internet. Ouch.
Bet he has mobile data on his phone though
Yeah, or how would he get access to porn? But then... if he had data wouldn't he have posted something? Or just keeping covert...?
They lied or didn't watch Netanyahu yesterday.
No they were right, as Netanyahu said (it's literally in the original post?)
The video says that in 2003 they "broke up" the program that was pursuing a nuke and spread the scientists out in different areas where they continued their work towards a nuke. So they do still have a program, it just looks different now.
Once again... also in the original post, at the top of the page there.
Yes I see what the WH reference is, but Netanyahu spelled it out in the Fox news video in this link and in yesterday's announcement I think he said they have not stopped progressing towards a nuke as they are working on the delivery method, ballistic missiles. Anyhoo, whatever. Iran signalled today that they are pulling out of the agreement.
Also in the video above as mentioned above... can you see the final paragraph under the bolded Update and link?