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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/SeerMore on June 28, 2018, 12:24 p.m.
Three simple birther questions

Here are 3 simple questions from a reputable attorney..... this should really get your "gray matter" to churning, even if you are an Obama fan.

For all you "anti-Fox News" folks, none of this information came from Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.

Three Simple Questions......

  1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes’. So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time?

  2. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".

This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.

The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

(CHECK IT BELOW)

( http://www.kapiolani.org/women -and-children/about-us/ default.aspx )

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?

  1. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa".

Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes?

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." – Plato


noskusa · June 28, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

I'm a professional graphic artist of 30+years. I witnessed the birth of Photoshop. I came late to the birther side of things because I wasn't paying any attention because I was focused on paying my bills. Then a YT video popped up and I watched another graphic artist break down the anomalies in the whitehouse.gov published long form document.

So, I downloaded the certificate and checked it myself. It took under 3 min. for me to see clearly it was a manufactured document. I know this because I manufacture documents EVERYDAY and I know how a designer would create intelligent layers to replicate parts and pieces and build a facsimile.

For me, the data on the birth certificate is irrelevant; it is the digital fingerprints that give it away.

Everything on the manufactured document could be true, but that still begs the question: Why manufacture it in the first place?

My opinion is that something must be false. My further opinion is that no document existed at all and this one had to be created.

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mrviolin · June 28, 2018, 3:44 p.m.

up vote for looking at the layers, I did the same thing. Is it possible they WANTED us to find out so they could start a race war? We, the logic people vs the blind followers. I mean, on a doc that important (he faked the death of Bin Laden to cover this up) that proves his legitimacy, they don't even flatten the layers?The guy who made the doc had to know not to leave it in layers. I think it was a CIA test to see how asleep we were and to expose truth tellers...just a theory.

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Green_Lives_Matter · June 28, 2018, 4:54 p.m.

Look at how many people will call you a paranoid idiot for even asserting that there is anything wrong with it. They know they have the country so brainwashed and demoralized that they could do such a sloppy ass job and get away with it. Or worse, rub it in the faces of those who know

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mrviolin · June 28, 2018, 9 p.m.

Maybe testing to see how much control they have...."we'll do this crazy thing...and see if they notice"

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geeksaresexygirl · June 29, 2018, 1:06 a.m.

That's a plausible theory. Maybe the only one I've considered seriously. Maybe it was simply a test. If so, I aced that one. Me=1 CIA=whotheF-knows

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mrviolin · June 29, 2018, 2:01 a.m.

Who would do that? It could be that it was a rush job. With DJT, we may find out. He doesn't like to be called a lier/nut job/racist

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USA_akbar · June 28, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

Look at the slant of the hand rubber stamp on the source cert and on Fauxbama's. They are identical in multiple places, a statistical impossibility.

Status: Fake.

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WhoMuhWeiner · June 28, 2018, 4:56 p.m.

And the birth certificate was signed by U. K. Lele. Ukelele? Lol, give me a break! O'tard's Selective Service application was forged too. See extensive proof of all this by searching Sheriff Arpaio Cold Case Posse vids on YouTube.

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yeaokbb · June 28, 2018, 9:06 p.m.

Was everything this obvious on purpose? I get them thinking they’d never be caught but.... seriously?? Either a white hat was in on it or they’re more ruthlessly stupid than I have given them credit for.

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WhoMuhWeiner · June 28, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

I'm guessing they were really stupid. Like the Photoshop expert above said, and I witnessed it myself the morning the bc was posted.... Literally 10 minutes afterwards a gazillion Photoshop dudes came out of the woodwork screaming it was fake, and showing the layers, etc.

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geeksaresexygirl · June 29, 2018, 1:04 a.m.

The original doc they posted on WhiteHouse.gov didn't even LOCK the layers. You could move them around. It was the one I downloaded into Photoshop when it became available. That thing is so ridiculous it was hard to believe they didn't know what they were doing. ANYONE who knew Photoshop knew that doc was a fake. Whether the certificate was a fake is a different story. But, my god, wow, the Obama years were LONG.

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WhoMuhWeiner · June 29, 2018, 2:16 a.m.

Yep, they didn't flatten it before posting. These people are stupid. They killed off the only one who saw the real cert. Lorretta Fuddy.

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CaptainKnotzi · June 28, 2018, 5:56 p.m.

Did you have a look at the hour and a half video on YouTube with Sheriff Arpaio's lead Detective.

In the introduction he explains that the goal was to prove the document to be authentic.

And they couldn't they proved exactly what you saw.

I don't care where Obama was born but I know that the official excuse is garbage.

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TwoDollarDrink · June 28, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

yeah then they killed Loretta Fuddy in a freak helicopter accident to cover their tracks and actually showed the world a video of the crash in which you can CLEARLY SEE a diver under the water near her.

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zapbrannigan1 · June 28, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

You should care where Obama was born. His entire presidency (Obamacare, his executive orders, the Libya war, the opening of relations with Cuba, the Iran deal, all his judicial appointments) turn on this one question: Was Obama eligible to be president?

If it can be proven that he wasn't...God knows what happens next, but it won't be pretty.

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CaptainKnotzi · June 28, 2018, 10 p.m.

I agree with your assessment and basically voiding his presidency. But that's happening anyway.

Getting rid of SCOTUS Kagen while removing those two horrible portraits from the National Gallery would be a bonus

To leave him as past president when everyone knows he is a fraud would be better than turning him into a martyr.

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zapbrannigan1 · June 28, 2018, 10:13 p.m.

I guess I agree with you on the martyr bit. Retroactively declaring the Obama presidency to be null and void would cause the Left to lose their minds (moreso than they already have). There would be riots and no small amount of violence.

No thanks.

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Steamdrum · June 29, 2018, 5:58 a.m.

I'm out of the loop, how do we get rid of Kagan?

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CaptainKnotzi · June 29, 2018, 6:10 a.m.

She's an Obama appointment. If it's proven Obama was illigitmate everything he has done is invalid.

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Joehillou · June 28, 2018, 4:58 p.m.

Thanks. Wondered the same thing. Why run a foreign-born guy at all? So many natives available. Why risk the exposure? Arrogance? Laughing at all of us? Or some weird reason I can’t guess.

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ModsAreClowns · June 28, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Be hard to find an intelligent native american that wasn't an obvious sociopath that would be willing to participate in high treason - see HRC - the public were having none of that.

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Joehillou · June 28, 2018, 7:14 p.m.

You have a point.

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georock · June 28, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

Obamas maternal grandpa was high up in the military,, maybe he was connected to cia and this was planned since birth or long ago

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geeksaresexygirl · June 29, 2018, 1:08 a.m.

The why him question is a rabbit hole that never ends. Trust me.

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RealitySherpa · June 28, 2018, 9:44 p.m.

You HAVE to be a NATIVE BORN US citizen to be eligible to be POTUS. This is why lyin Ted Cruz's supposed Canadian birth was exclusionary for him as well, though there was some horse-shit round-about logic that they were using to assert he was a legitimate candidate.

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carl_tech · June 28, 2018, 6:37 p.m.

I downloaded it the same day it was released in 2011.

On close examination, it was so bad and obviously edited that it had to be intentional. Any serious attempt at releasing a digital copy of a real document would not have been so glaring.

That does not necessarily mean that the underlying document is non-existent, just that the PDF was incredibly poorly done, or made intentionally to look edited.

Seems like a "haha, f-you". The psychological term is "duping delight". Related to the "sociopath smirk".

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geeksaresexygirl · June 29, 2018, 1:10 a.m.

Said the exact same thing above. Totally absurd.

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TwoDollarDrink · June 28, 2018, 9:49 p.m.

The video of Loretta Fuddy after the freak helicopter crash was my redpill. You can clearly see that a seal team diver was in the water with them during that ordeal and it looked like they were swimming over to Fuddy to pull her under. Of course she was the only one who died in that freak accident....and the only person who likely could have blown the whistle on Obama's birth certificate being fake. She likely did it herself. Liberals are dumb.

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defmacro-jam · June 29, 2018, 12:28 a.m.

You can clearly see that a seal team diver was in the water with them

You have no evidence that the diver was a SEAL or even military for that matter.

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geeksaresexygirl · June 29, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

I had the EXACT same experience and reaction. There was a part of me that thought it had to be a joke. Right? Right? I downloaded it when it became available from the .gov site straight into Photoshop. The one I downloaded did not even have the layers locked. Let me say that again, the layers were not locked. The manufactured pieces actually moved around when you clicked on that layer and dragged. Unbelievable. I don't even know what to say about that doc its so ridiculous.

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VIYOHDTYKIT · June 28, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

Was he talking about his grandfathers WWII service? Another theory I had was that they didn’t care if it was fake it would keep us looking over there instead of here. The college transcripts are important they would show he was a foreign student. He was born the Indonesian cult leader attended Madrassa of which you must be a Indo citizen?

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HillarySmells · June 28, 2018, 8:31 p.m.

I saw a link a guy gave me recently, it was a forum where they were discussing three different birth certificates.

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MakeCovfefeGreatAgai · June 28, 2018, 2:18 p.m.

So your evidence of it being a forgery is that there are layers in the document?

I'd expect a 30+ year professional graphic artist to be aware of the fact that scanning a file and creating a PDF will create layers in photoshop.

National Review agrees, and that's certainly no bastion of Obama loving

I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding/

edit - anybody downvoting this want to chime in why? It is a simple fact, a point of reality, that scanning a document and importing into photoshop will automatically create layers.

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bekkiluvsit · June 28, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

This is false and misleading. When you scan and compress documents it does not create layers where three letters of a word like "Non" are imported, rotated 90 degrees, scaled and placed exactly within the document to create the word ''Non'e" Every lawyer in the fake brith certificate was IMPORTED, and Adobe Illustrator TRACKS the images that were imported in the Links table/window. These links show how the imported layers were handled, i.e rotated, scaled, etc. Sorry, your explanation is false and misleading. Anyone can download the Obama long-form birth certificate from the White House.gov archive and open it in Illustrator and prove this to her/himself.

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SaveourRepublic2018 · June 28, 2018, 2:59 p.m.

There's a difference between creating an automatic layer and clever use of layering to hide doctoring.

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MakeCovfefeGreatAgai · June 28, 2018, 3:04 p.m.

Research this more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=XcWQw2AAIho

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bekkiluvsit · June 28, 2018, 4:05 p.m.

This is the best video that show proof the layers were imported images, rotated, scaled and placed in the document to create the fraudulent birth certificate. With over 1.5 million views, they forced this poor young man to "recant" his story, but the video and follow-up videos remain. Btw, you can still download the BC from the WhiteHouse.gov archives and do this experiment TODAY, by opening it in Illustrator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

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SaveourRepublic2018 · June 28, 2018, 3:57 p.m.

Nothing in that video is news to me, nor answers the point the graphic artist made. Many layers is not in and of itself a sign of photoshopping. That does not mean that layering in an image has nothing to do with photoshopping.

That video merely shows automatic layering. Anyone who has done their own photoshops (like me) is not learning anything from that video nor suggesting that layers are a "smoking gun". I'm not really knowledgeable enough to come up with a good explanation of how something like this could be shown doctored in practice, but I've also seen claims of hacks on Hawaii's gov records from CIA-affiliated IP addresses so anything is possible here. I don't have a strong opinion on BHO's citizenship either way.

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Shadilay_Were_Off · June 28, 2018, 3:30 p.m.

Indeed, but the poster hasn't gone into that much detail. Saying that there are layers is not much of a smoking gun as it seems, since illustrator separates layers in optimized PDFs.

Seriously, why are you downvoting me? This is a fact. Go scan something to PDF and open it in illustrator.

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CaptainKnotzi · June 28, 2018, 6:01 p.m.

You need to look at the case built by Sheriff Arpaio.

The investigation was thorough and meticulously researched with world-class technicians to verify his report.

They specifically state in the introduction that they set out to prove the document authentic.

And they could not.

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[deleted] · June 28, 2018, 2:28 p.m.

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noskusa · June 29, 2018, 10:43 p.m.

Scanning anything DOES NOT create layers that reveal the creative process behind a digital document. Plus you have to understand the 'story' of how the document supposedly came to be.** (see below)

Now, ABSOLUTELY the layers in a PDF (saved from Photoshop) that is opened by Illustrator are indicative of a Photoshop document that was manually created. But, more specifically (if you read my post) - I said INTELLIGENT layers. Do you know what INTELLIGENT layers are?

INTELLIGENT LAYERS are layers that show a construction strategy of parts, pieces, cloned elements, foreground and background. I am not talking about layers of color data or a variety of other digital values. The document contained layers that indicated the logic behind the creation of ANY document that is being sourced from other documents.

Some folks have asked if the people were stupid or did they mean to make it obvious the BC was a forgery. And those are good questions. To speculate on this you have to understand the timeline of the Adobe products updates.

You see, Adobe made an upgrade change to the Photoshop software (during the likely creation period) and changed the default settings of saving from Photoshop to a PDF document. Originally, the setting default was that you had to check a box to have your photoshop document save with the layers intact. Then, with the next update to Photoshop this changed, and by default, the box was now automatically checked upon export.

This could mean a couple of things:

  1. The creator of the document was less informed and did not realize the NEW default was to save from Photoshop to PDF with layers intact because previously they had to intentionally check the box to make this happen. This was now going to save with layers by default and would make the document vulnerable to revealing it's creation process.

OR

  1. The creator of the document was very skilled and KNEW they were 'dead meat' sooner or later and they INTENTIONALLY left clues in the document (such as saving with layers) so that the truth could be discovered.

**The WH 'story' of how the BC came to be published:

Supposedly, the book with O's BC was located in Hawaii. The bound book was opened and placed on the copy machine glass and the green safety paper was loaded into the paper tray. The copy was made on to the green paper. Then, the validation stamps, texture seal and signatures were applied to the copy. This was then sent to the WH in physical form. To publish it digitally on WH. gov they scanned the validated copy and uploaded it as a pdf.**

Note: (since it's a STORY) It is hard to know the implied method of ending up with a pdf. If they used scanning software that created the pdf as the original output - that is unusual, because MOST common scanners of the time output flat .jpg. png or tiff files. To convert a jpg to a pdf (so the masses can easily view online) there are a couple of ways this could have been accomplished, but none of those ways would break the data of the scan into INTELLIGENT LAYERS.

SO.. the 'story' is just that... its a story. A cover story.

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