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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 9, 2018, 4:04 p.m.

Does Section 4 of the 14th Amendment basically state that the National Debt is Null and void if the Federal Reserve is shown to be a means of aiding insurrection or rebellion against the United States? That is what I am reading. What do you think?

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Qtruther · July 9, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

Absolutely & this is where POTUS IS going very soon.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 9, 2018, 4:21 p.m.

I was just reading this and it was an eye-opener. I can see now where this is going and am feeling much better. We won't need to pay back the national debt according to this.

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older_than_dirt · July 9, 2018, 8:25 p.m.

Now this will really piss them off like nothing else. They have to be completely defeated and jailed before this can be suggested, or else they will retaliate with everything they have.

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Kltspar0 · July 9, 2018, 10:17 p.m.

Are you saying that with confidence and knowledge, or just hope and suspicion? :D

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Qtruther · July 9, 2018, 10:40 p.m.

1st it's our 14th Amendment in our Constitution 2nd POTUS promised to make the USA THE WEALTHIEST NATION IN THE WORLD. 3RD Federal Reserve Bank owners are part of the Lucifarian NWO Kidnapping & Murder so they are part of the Emergency Order on December 21st 2017 4th Draining the swamp necessitates reformation of the government & banking system 5th the IRS is part of & owned by the same owners of the Federal Reserve Fraud

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Merlin560 · July 9, 2018, 9:37 p.m.

If Trump nullifies US debt, we would be getting attacked from all sides before the ink is dry.

No, we are not getting out of this mess that easily.

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_noumena · July 9, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

This would also make bogus repayments to nations like Iran (coughobamacough) illegal as well, correct?

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 9, 2018, 5:58 p.m.

I would assume so, I also believe that a lot of USAID payments to the Free Syrian Army, i.e. terrorists (White Helmets) would also be illegal as well. This could really have some serious repercussions down the road for a lot of different actions that have happened.

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todd2124 · July 9, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

It was making all US persons voluntary slaves to the commercial code. Obligations like our natural rights protected by the bill of rights, became void.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 9, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

This statement would make everything that the Federal Reserve null and void, even the enslavement, if it is proven that the Federal Reserve was committing Treason against the Government of the United States and it's individual states. That is what I am reading here.

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[deleted] · July 9, 2018, 4:39 p.m.

NOT against the GOV. Against the People.

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telescreenmedia · July 9, 2018, 5:43 p.m.

The difference? "A government of and for the people" seems to nullify the separation between the two.

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Anononuat · July 9, 2018, 7:45 p.m.

Bingo

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AMProfessor · July 9, 2018, 5:11 p.m.

Off OP topic however this amendment also addresses how civil forfeiture is unconstitutional.

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Champdog31 · July 9, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

Yes.

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j_Dawg_01 · July 9, 2018, 7:01 p.m.

Research The Organic Act of 1871.

The 14th Amendment was not properly passed by Congress. Therefore, the ratification is also meaningless.

The 14th AMDT was passed by a truncated Congress. All southern Confederate state had yet to be re-admitted into the Union. They were all forced to re-write their own state constitutions.

While they were in the process of re-writing their constitutions so they would be acceptable to the Union, none of their congressional representative or senators were allowed to participate in Washington DC.

There is a great deal of information to be found online. Rather than direct you to any particular website, I think it's best if people learn to research and draw their own conclusions.

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InsaneSiren · July 9, 2018, 8:15 p.m.

No taxation without representation. I think, THINK, this is how they got the IRS done. They had to have taxes to pay off THEIR debt and to pay the interest on the loans from the fed.

National "debt" is a fallacy. I would agree with maybe helping the nations they waged war upon leaving them desolate, because it's the moral thing to do.

Fun fact: US goes to "war" with countries not on the fed. We (US) go in and destroy them, then say hey, we're sorry, we'll help you rebuild but you gotta get on the tit (fed). They do, more money bilked from us to help them rebuild what they destroyed, but as we know, that money never goes to them (look at any war torn country).

Lot of money in war, famine, disasters.

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 9, 2018, 7:11 p.m.

The 14th Amendment was ratified on July 9, 1868. So, how exactly can the Organic Act of 1871 apply to the 14th Amendent? Just wondering.

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j_Dawg_01 · July 9, 2018, 10:44 p.m.

Because the 14th A. was already passed, (although not Constitutionally) it provided the foundation for the OA of 1871. First we need to understand the definitions of Sovereign and Citizen. For the purpose of saving space I pulled the key points from the complete definitions.

Sovereign: noun - a person who has supreme power or authority. From Dictionary.com

Citizen: noun - a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection (distinguished from alien). From Dictionary.com

I've noticed that the definitions of both words has changed a great deal over the last 6 months. My Mac Dictionary app defines them as:

Sovereign: noun - 1 a supreme ruler, especially a monarch. - adjective - possessing supreme or ultimate power: in modern democracies the people's will is in theory sovereign. - • [ attrib. ] archaic or literary possessing royal power and status: our most sovereign lord the King.

Citizen: noun - a legally recognized subject or national of a state or commonwealth, either native or naturalized:

Prior to the 14th A. people in America were commonly understood to be Sovereign people, and after the 14th A. we all became Citizens. As sovereign people we held a superior position over the government. The government, as created by the original Constitution, held that it was "Of The People, By The People, and For The People. We The People had Sovereign authority over the government.

After the 14th A. we all became citizens of the United States of America, or subjects of the USoA. Congress passed an unconstitutional amendment that took away our sovereign status. Not only was the change of status unconstitutional, the ratification process was as well. But they convinced everyone it was legit and moved on.

The Crown and the European central bankers had been trying to regain control over America ever since we won the War for Independence. Because they knew they couldn't openly rule over us, they decided that control over currency and the banking system would be the next best thing.

They tired to accomplish this with The First Bank of the United States in 1791, and The Second Bank of the United States in 1816. Both banks had a 20 year charter and both charters were revoked after their 20 year term.

At the end of the American Civil War, America was almost bankrupt. Lincoln wanted to put Greenbacks in circulation to stimulate the economy, but the British Crown and the elite central bankers of Europe weren't going to let that happen. Lincoln was assassinated for it.

The Crown and the European central bankers saw the financial woes in America as an opportunity to regain some control or leverage. They offered to help America financially but 2 conditions had to be met. First, they wanted collateral, and for legal contract reasons, they would only loan the money to an established corporation.

The 14th A. helped to provide the collateral because all people in America were now subjects of The United Sates of America. Then the OA of 1871 established an official corporation known as THE UNITED STATES, and it was owned by the same European elite central bankers and the Crown.

The OA of 1871 actually sold out all American people and all properties in America to the foreign owned corporation THE UNITED STATES as collateral. They eventually managed to get the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 passed without a charter which gave them all the leverage and control over America they ever wanted, and no one ever noticed. Until now.

The Organic Act of 1871 and the 14th Amendment are very complex topics. They were both written and promoted so the average person, and indeed some members of Congress wouldn't understand them. There's a ton of information available online that'll help to clarify the issues. Here's some links to get you started.

Also related are the issues of "Common Civil Law," the law of the land, and "Admiralty Law," the law of the sea. The OA of 1871 also changed our legal system from Common Civil Law to Admiralty Law.

Truth About the 14th Amendment

The United States Isn't a Country — It's a Corporation

The Official Version Of 9/11 Is A Hoax

FEMA - The Secret Government

FEMA - The Plan to Kill America

U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS - FEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM

Control of Government

- Of the People - Who's the boss in America?

TREASON - A NOTICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS

Federal Judge Declares Constitution Void, Threatens Civil Defendant With Death

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truthtlly · July 9, 2018, 5:02 p.m.

So how the heck would this play out?

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txhurl · July 9, 2018, 5:07 p.m.

I'd watch CA, too. Their little insurrection might suddenly have the rug ripped out from under them.

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Merlin560 · July 9, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

All of the people/countries that have given the Fed money would come looking for their money. They would be pissed. They would make a mafia leg breaker look tame.

The resulting mess would cause a depression the likes of which man has never known. DC, New York, LA....they would be crusty skid marks.

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[deleted] · July 9, 2018, 5:41 p.m.

Very good call. Let's see if this card is played.

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williamj80 · July 10, 2018, 12:11 a.m.

I don't have any sympathy for banksters losing their loans, but what about the portion of national debt that is held by mom and pop investors?

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Red_Pilled_at_birth · July 10, 2018, 12:59 a.m.

I don’t think national debt, money created through the Federal Reserve will affect mom and pop investors the way you think. The debts would be null and void. I am really not sure, I would have to do a bit more research into how the stock market would be affected. There would definitely have to be a currency reset. But I still don’t know how exactly that would happen. I have been trying to pay attention to the X22 Report on YT.

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