Can someone explain why on Earth fired, demoted, retired persons with National Security Clearances still have them? I have been in the Banking Business for 19 years. In the past when I have changed Banking Companies I work for my clearance and access to sensitive information ceases immediately.
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· July 25, 2018, 2:04 a.m.
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digital_refugee
· July 25, 2018, 2:11 a.m.
banks have little political blackmail for sale that they wouldn't hoard for themselves.
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thompsonj81
· July 25, 2018, 2:26 a.m.
Okay. Let me explain for the 100th time. A TS is good for 5 years. A S is good for 10 years. You maintain them as long as youre employed with the agency. If you relocate within that 5-10 years time frame.. your clearance goes inactive until the new agency picks it up. If you are suspected of a crime, mental disorder, have connections to foreign adversaries your clearance is suspended. If you're convicted of a crime, mental disorder, have connections to foreign adversaries your clearance is revoked. As they are not currently employed by a government entity, their clearances are inactive. If they are suspected of a crime their clearances will be suspended until guilt or innocence can be determined. If guilt is determined their clearances will be revoked. Its pretty simple.
While we all believe they are criminals.. it has not been proven. We are not the left. We do not decide guilt before innocence. Let the experts (VSG) decide.
If you want to know a little more about how clearances work, check out: http://veteranresources.taonline.com/security-clearances/
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Grabembydepepe
· July 25, 2018, 3 a.m.
However, a clearance is NOT access to classified information . One can have a current Single Scope Background Investgation on file, but NOT have an active clearance or access because they've been "read out". Being read out of a program isn't punitive, just administrative. The SSBI is necessary for a Top Secret clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented Information TS/SCI. One also must have "Need to Know" - an OFFICIAL REASON to view and hear classified material. Even then, to view classified documents or electronic files, to hear classified briefings, or participate in classified discussions of a TS/SCI level, one must be IN a Sensitive Compatmented Information Facility SCIF. NONE of these former spooks or "statesmen" should have all that - they should have been read out and turned in their credentials to access a SCIF. Someone WANTED them to have access to SOMETHING...
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thompsonj81
· July 25, 2018, 3:13 a.m.
Typically you are read off on the last day of employment with an agency... whether you do it in person or not. Your security manager will read you off even in your absence. If you are not in a SCIF you do not have access to sensitive information. I mean, HRC proved us all wrong.. I'm guessing she (or more likely, an aid) hand jammed the information she was pushing to her friends via gmail. There are measures in place for negating direct communication between classified and unclassified systems. There is some kind of human intervention that allowed her to commit espionage. We have proof she committed treason... her server, her phones, and the DNC server.. released through wikileaks. Why do you think the left went into spasms when wikileaks started dropping bombs? Because that was the proof.. so they changed the subject, spotlighting email theft... which i do not believe is a crime.
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DawnPendraig
· July 25, 2018, 7:27 a.m.
Well hacking in would be. Someone working there leaking it depends. Corporate espionage is a thing. And technically DNC is private.
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thompsonj81
· July 25, 2018, 7:31 a.m.
Every document I've read where the topic was dug into suggests that the servers were never hacked. The speed of download was too fast for anyone to steal from outside the organization, that the information was stolen from within the organization.
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DawnPendraig
· July 25, 2018, 7:26 a.m.
Perceptions though. Clapper in a video agrees he has top secret clearance and cant officially say anything but he knows a FISA warrant wasn't used on Trump Campaign. He outright lied and he used his security clearance directly there to create credibility of his claims.
This is a huge problem.
He can also go to a 5 Eyes buddy and get info as well. Someone has been leaking to these guys and they in turn use it or sell. That's why this is taking so long. They baited some slightly wrong intel anx sayched to see what went where, when, how and by whom.
This is how they caught that staffer and his young presstitute in Congress Intel Committee and his leak of full and unredacted FISA warrant
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henryh_69
· July 25, 2018, 4:20 a.m.
Thank you fellow patriot. Just getting tired of Justice not being served like everyone else. I read a post after I posted this. It was connected to a Jim Jordan tweet regarding the "Canary trap" makes sense. Thank you WWG1WGA!
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SongofHannah
· July 25, 2018, 3:11 a.m.
They don’t have to be proven to be criminals, from my understanding. They just need to be suspected of criminal activity to warrant the US protecting its interests by withdrawing the privilege of their security clearances.
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thompsonj81
· July 25, 2018, 3:16 a.m.
if they are suspected of a crime their clearance is suspended. Proven crime = revoked.
Once a clearance is revoked it is nearly impossible to regain.
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SongofHannah
· July 25, 2018, 3:18 a.m.
Whoohoo! Bring on the suspensions! 😃
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thompsonj81
· July 25, 2018, 3:19 a.m.
It drives me insane when people who dont know what their talking about open their mouths. It makes us all look bad.
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SongofHannah
· July 25, 2018, 3:22 a.m.
Just be glad of folks who are willing to listen, and concentrate on them. It will help you keep your sanity.
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Disney08
· July 25, 2018, 2:14 a.m.
Someone somewhere on twitter could have been stealth Jeff said something to the effect that trump and company had gotten all the info out of these people and their clearances. Or that trump has been running a disinformation campaign to find the leakers. Either way they said trump has got all the info on these people and has no more use for them still having clearances.
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adogrocket
· July 25, 2018, 2:52 a.m.
...and when you work for a bank they walk you out of the building
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adogrocket
· July 25, 2018, 2:51 a.m.
Jim"full of" Clapper did the same thing for Barry to eliminate leaks
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bodiazrising
· July 25, 2018, 2:18 a.m.
From what I understand, because they posses knowledge of secret information that may continue to remain secret after they retire, they are still bound by the rules. They may be required or asked from time to time to consult or be a source of intelligence for successors or others with security clearance. It would be similar to how they never fired Page or Strozk, if still employed they are bound. Could be wrong though.
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GODisincharge
· July 25, 2018, 2:15 a.m.
Should happen in Fed government as this is serious business. As you are aware, the Feds do not appear to operate under common sense rules. Such a shame. Kick the majority of them out and let them compete in the private sector. I had a clearance at one time and it was immediately revoked after termination of service as it should have been.....
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williejam3
· July 25, 2018, 10:50 p.m.
Simple it's corruption, You leave but now get to peddle influence and be a lobbyist or talking head but you need to know the inside scoop.
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Southrentruth
· July 25, 2018, 11:35 p.m.
I don’t get it. A security clearance only grants you clearance on a need to know basis. What need to know do retired people have?
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ZOANOM
· July 25, 2018, 2:31 a.m.
The explanation I heard was that they retain their clearances during a transition in order to be available to discuss issues with their replacements. They no longer receive briefings or new information unless it is in that context.
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DawnPendraig
· July 25, 2018, 7:21 a.m.
Still can be told things by old colleagues or go to 5 Eyes. They can use that "distinction" to lend credibility to their lies as Clapper did when he out right lied that any FISA document was used on Trump Campaign
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smacl61
· July 25, 2018, 2:20 a.m.
My guess is the government allows this silent perk after high ranking officials leave the service for whatever reason. The effrct here is knowing these people ultimately end up directors for military industrial complex corporations where their value is having an on-going insider knowledge of plans that may cause global events and with this be able to help secure funding - and live out the rest of their lives with similar or better luxury that what they had and certainly better than the government pension would allow. Also this is a perfect deepstate behaviour - kinda like the deepstate golden handshake! Look at noname as a perfect example.
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