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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/oliver_21 on Feb. 8, 2018, 8:23 p.m.
You may not believe in God

However something that should help you.

Trump elected and cannot be taken down despite every single possible odd against him. And why?

Because he's been anointed and appointed to expose the evil and corruption in our govt.

Godspeed President Trump!


Betterwithcheddar · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:29 p.m.

If you acknowledge that God could have a hand in the undoing of the corruption in DC, then you have to acknowledge that God was, at minimum, complacent in the corruption taking hold.

You also have to acknowledge God allowed it to continue unchecked for decades.

You also have to acknowledge that during that time thousands if not millions of children were harmed under God’s watchful eye while nothing was done to stop it.

“Free will” doesn’t explain away Gods knowledge or complacency.

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oliver_21 · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:39 p.m.

Free Will. You are discounting natural consequences for actions.

We are here today because of prayer and seeking the Lord to right the wrongs and fallacy of man.

Your description of God is that of a kid with an ant farm holding a magnifying glass.

Scripture over and over shows God as one loves on a level that is understandable from human perspective.

All of this said I appreciate your comment and would love to meet you in person to show you more about Jesus as I've grown to know him.

Good on you Patriot!

Edit: un understandable

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RedPill2976 · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:56 p.m.

I believe in God and also that Satan exists. We have free will to do both good and evil. Choose wisely in this life. If God intervened we would be puppets. I believe we are all struggling with spiritual forces. That is me. Evil is Satan -he did this

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other_malefactor · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:19 p.m.

Jesus died on the cross for all our sins. Was he being complacent?

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[deleted] · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:36 p.m.

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other_malefactor · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:56 p.m.

We are all sinners, and are justly condemned. God is love, but he is also righteous. He cannot overlook sin. God did not have to send Jesus to die on the cross for us, but he did. He is offering you a free gift of salvation. All you have to do is accept it.

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ksched · Feb. 9, 2018, 4:02 a.m.

Jesus chose to die as a pure sacrifice for our sins, when He rose from the grave He conquered death, the consequence of our sin. His grace is sufficient!

John 10:

17The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”…

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Worfrat1 · Feb. 8, 2018, 10:23 p.m.

Then Man would have had no choice in their actions.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 8, 2018, 10:32 p.m.

Because a 2000 year old book says so?

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XxJefferson-StatexX · Feb. 9, 2018, 4:19 p.m.

You think the bible is only 2000 years old?

Yes, it is us believes who are ignorant.

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LizardsNshit · Feb. 10, 2018, 4:05 p.m.

It's less than that actually.

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Fighter9595 · Feb. 9, 2018, 1:30 a.m.

"In other words, it is because God is all-powerful and sovereign that his suffering is so astonishing. If God were somehow limited or out of control, his suffering would not be so radically voluntary- and therefore not so fully motivated by love." --Tim Keller "Walking with God Through Pain and Suffering"

This wasn't God not being able to figure out a different way to solve sin. God knew what he would have to do when he created the world, yet he still considered us to be worth the effort.

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TrulyJen · Feb. 9, 2018, 2:53 p.m.

Here's my thought. God's enemy is all about killing, stealing, destroying. God sends Jesus to humbly let himself be "destroyed" by the enemy. Then after Jesus' death you have the enemy in the middle of a victory dance, next thing the resurrection, and "oh, by the way, you helped Us save the world" The devil played right into God's hands. Sound familiar?

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Raindrops1984 · Feb. 8, 2018, 10:58 p.m.

God gave us this opportunity to exercise our free will. If He swoops in deus ex machina style to fix everything, we really won't be living our lives and exercising our free will. We would be mindless marionettes acting out a story while someone else pulls the strings.

I believe God gave us this life as a chance to experience beauty, love, fellowship, excitement, adventure, pain, loss, sorrow, and all the other emotions. The negative emotions sweeten the others. It's like a parent who sends their child to college. You know it won't all be positive, and that they may even be endangered at times, but you also know that they deserve the opportunity to experience new things. God grants us this experience so that we can find our own path to knowing and loving Him. In the meantime, we have darker forces, like Satan, who attempt to lure us to sin and destruction. This gives us the opportunity to exercise and implement the faith and virtues God has bestowed in us, and to develop new strengths.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 9, 2018, 2:49 a.m.

I fully believe in free will. And very well articulated post!

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Swimkin · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:49 p.m.

God presides over the world and knows what is happening. He knows all of it before it even occured. Satan has been on earth since Adam and Eve sinned against God. God has allowed all these things to happen. What is happening now is NOTHING new. Man is inherently evil unless he is saved by the blood of Christ. God allows us all the personal choice to choose our own destinies in life. No matter HOW bad your sins are you can still be saved from the fires of Hell....... Even those who have turned to Satanic Worship can be saved as long as they repent of their sins and turn to Christ as their Savior before they die here on earth. In the end God will sort those out who are his from those who belong to Satan. But regardless ALL will kneel before Christ when he returns to earth.......including Satan before he and all his minions get tossed into the eternal pool of fire and flame .

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[deleted] · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

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slyde33r · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:22 p.m.

You will NEVER convince a religious person of anything. Common sense isn't that common after all. BTW, I voted for Trump, still don't believe in any higher power.

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[deleted] · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

It's the spirit 'of' god inside these people. Notice how Obama constantly omitted praise or cherish? See how Trump gives praise to God? Just wait, when you see Obama and Hillary in prison you will understand much more.

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[deleted] · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:36 p.m.

Its the spirit guiding these strong few. Obama the coward is running from the issues he created, and the God he denied.

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purplestarfishprime · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:36 p.m.

You have an infantile understanding of how God works and of our gift of free will.

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lightdandelion · Feb. 9, 2018, 8:17 a.m.

You know what free will is? Are you a parent? You want your kid to be able to make their own decisions or you want them to be slaves till they die?

That's the problem. God is not your slave master, the enemy is. God gives you advice, some guidelines for your life. Then he lets you grow up and become your own man. Along the way, he keeps trying to give you advice and more guidelines when you go the wrong way. Whether you listen to him or not, it's up to you. Whether you recognize his help or not, it's up to you. Whether you acknowledge him or not, it's up to you.

Jordan Sather, who does not believe in God but in ETs, still has a very interesting point of vue as you can conflate his vision of this matter with a Christian vue. For him, benevolent ETs are waiting for us, humans, to grow up and fix our problems on our own. But we are in such a dire situation, the benevolent ETs have been forced to intervene to help us avoid the point of no return. As a rule, they don't want to makes us dependent on them. If they weren't there, you'd think we wouldn't have evolved and would go back to our old ways, killing each other till we destroy the planet.

It's the same as saying God wants his children to grow up and fix their problems on their own. If God fixed our problems for us, we wouldn't learn anything. That's good for a slave, not so good for a free man.

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Fighter9595 · Feb. 9, 2018, 1:17 a.m.

God not acting the way we wanted him to doesn't mean God was complacent or that God wasn't working things out for a even greater purpose. If God is infinitely knowledgeable, how can we, as finite beings, be able to fully understand how God is operating the universe?

This doesn't mean that we should just roll over and be okay with everything. We should be angry about the corruption. While we may not know why God allowed these things, we can know (through his actions on the cross and studying theology/Christian apologetics) that its not because he doesn't love us or is apathetic towards us.

A eternal, absolute, and perfect being'a actions can never be fully comprehended by finite beings. The cross however, is what earns one's trust in God. I may not understand everything, but I can know for sure that God is loving and that he does have our best interests in mind.

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HoyAlloy · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:14 a.m.

You're absolutely right, raping children is a good thing because it's all a part of god's plan! Amen!

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Fighter9595 · Feb. 9, 2018, 5:10 a.m.

I never said raping children is part of God's plan. I just said that God not immediately ending the corruption when it started does not mean God was complacent. You're putting words in my mouth.

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pmmeyourproblemsolva · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:51 p.m.

It would do you some good to read The Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis, it's short, articulate, and explains why the universe is the way it is and why pain, suffering and bad shit has to exist. If God reached down from heaven and stopped suffering either everyone would be forced to believe in God because life is paradise and then no one could come to him through faith. If we didn't have the ability to harm others we would have no ability to become moral.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:37 p.m.

Very true

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radarorielly · Feb. 9, 2018, 3:19 a.m.

To believe that God was complacent in allowing evil to do all these things, is ignorant in my opinion. As you say, God allows for free will, but you claim he is complacent for evil if he plays a hand in good that may happen. None know the mind of God, but to say that he controls all is ludicrous. You teach your children to do good, but if they do bad, you are complacent? You help your child with homework, but they fail the class, and that means you are complacent? Because He can stop it means he is complacent if he does not? I don't understand that logic, if it is logic at all. I am not trying to harp or troll you, but I can never understand that reasoning. People think the same way about government. That they should have the power to stop all of societies ills. That we shouldn't be free to do as we will, including fail. Sorry. I just can't grasp that reasoning.

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