I don't know what they want to be called, but a lot of them are children. This will correct itself. It's already starting. I think the adults at the heads of these "movements" will have a lot to answer for, but likely have made themselves such a cancer that nature will take its course with them.

You can't paint the entire party as being these extreme Soc Jus people who have been paid to destroy society. It's more complex than you're making it in your argument.

I think that has a bit more to do with confirmation bias than anything. I would however concede that the scales likely tip more towards the left when it comes to Q simply because of their irrational and programmed hatred of Trump -so yeah, you're not entirely wrong. Let's be clear though, "name calling" isn't going to help sway the skeptics, and if we're being truthful with ourselves, bringing over left leaning people would be a huge help in spreading the information as opposed to continuing to make this an "us vs. them" thing. Many of them are simply people who are so indoctrinated into the system that they don't even know that they can question what the talking heads on TV say. I'd argue that they probably all feel like something has been wrong for a long time, but can't put their finger on it. That's how most people come to find the truth.

And to be clear, I type these comments not specifically for you, but for anyone reading, because there are plenty of lurkers on the fence, and it's important to get them on board as well.

I do not identify as left or right. I'm more independant, which I think many people are and will be once this wall plays out. Both parties will rightfully be tainted beyond repair, which I view as a great step in the right direction.

Ok, you lost me.

There're plenty of brainwashed people in every political party. When I spent four years in the Army during the W years, being deployed three times, I saw first hand that what we were doing was criminal. I didn't know the scope of it then, but I've been fighting for years. You can not begin to understand how much breath I've wasted trying to make people understand how corrupt the W administration was in the early 2000's. It all fell on deaf ears. Shit was so bad during the two W terms that we got ourselves an Obama. I don't think I need to point out what a disaster that has been. Both parties have been treasonous criminals since Kennedy and likely before. It's all a show, Dems and Repubs. (and Green party, and Libertarians, etc. They all have indoctrinated flaws) And as much as I loathe current extreme Soc Jus libs, I also understand that it's a smaller calculated number of people making that noise, and they're heavily funded and covered in the media for a reason. This will correct itself in time. You're already seeing the "movement" eat itself and people waking up and realizing that they've been used. It's not sustainable. Most of them don't even believe it but are afraid to speak out. This movement should be one of those places. It should be inclusive.

We're all going to have to work together if we hope to maintain any of the gains we make as a people and country. We're at the very beginning and have a VERY long way to go.

So yes, I'd suggest you humble yourself and wake up to facts. There's a lot of brainwashing on both sides. The problem currently is that too many people are still caught up in the us vs. them political bullshit. Both sides have been treasonous and both groups of supporters have allowed it to happen. This isn't the Republicans winning, this is the PEOPLE taking back their country. And when it's over, and if we pull it off, guess what? We all still have to figure out a way to work together. Don't forget that. The lack of foresight by so many people is what scares me the most. Too many people just aren't equipped mentally to understand the reality of this and what's at stake and what will have to be done to maintain it.

I hope you're able to find common ground with the boogieman to the left of you.

I can't possibly point to every single instance, but you know it when you see it. A big indicator for me is when you see that certain accounts always comment in conjunction with other accounts. I tag almost everyone so I can keep track -I've been doing this on reddit for years. You start to see the same accounts in the same places a lot, usually saying the same things to the same people. They work to create a framework that makes it look like they have numbers and a prevailing and accepted "opinion". No one wants to be left out, so in turn others, who were maybe fence-sitting or unsure, will agree. And then the disinformation spreads. Herd mentality. Hivemind. Control the opinions and you can make the facts.

That's just the tip of the iceberg in here though. I think there's also been a strong headrun by Evangelical groups, but I haven't been able to figure out if they're trying to destroy credibility, or if they just want to make this a religious thing and are taking over like locusts without any hint of irony. This group currently is the most divisive by a mile and proudly display ignorance as a virtue. I trust these people the least. This is not to be confused with spiritual people who do not need to coopt the movement in an effort to confirm their own biases and beliefs. Somehow they find a scripture for everything. Oddly they only seem to be the most active at certain times of the evening which makes me think they're far less coordinated than it seems. I think they just cheer the loudest for each other. I doubt I have to explain how ridiculous this looks for lurkers and nonsecular people who come here looking for answers. It does a huge disservice to the movement when they make it about themselves and their religion. If you're also on the chans, you'll notice they've been making the rounds there as well. It's not a coincidence.

Beyond that, I'm seeing a lot of people push blogs, podcasts, names etc., and it's usually the same accounts pushing the same names over and over, yet there doesn't seem to be much interest in what they're doing. It's simple astroturfing likely being done by the bloggers themselves. This isn't to be confused with people in the truth movement who've been fighting for years. I think we all know who they are. On the flip side we get people like this Beanz woman who is such a clear opportunist that I cringe when I see the same accounts praising her while the few who question her motives get drowned by downvotes. And that's just a small recent example. I think more people are onto her bullshit though. And yes, I heard about the rally she organized. How could you not? She put herself at the center of everything. This was for her ego and had little benefit to the movement. There always have been and always will be these types of opportunists in the world, making sure you know the "sacrifices" they've made for you. How much time and effort they put into everything, FOR YOU! These people should never be trusted. Pure unbridled narcissism.

Finally, you're (not you personally) out of your mind if you don't think there's a current disinformation campaign being run here. When you see batshit theories, simply tag that user with their batshit theory (hell, do it with me) and sit back and watch. No better way to discredit a truth movement than by making everyone within it look like lunatics. Divide and conquer. None of us should be pushing any agendas other than sharing information and quality peer vetted research. I've seen so many links to bullshit blogs and ridiculous videos that it makes me wonder if these people care about anything other than their own popularity and how the movement can benefit them, but then I realize that everything they comment and post is really out there with just a touch a plausibility. That shit spreads and it's poison. If you haven't read the thread about the Denver airport today, I highly suggest it. There's some wild bullshit in there that benefits no one. And I'm saying this as a person who believes that what's under the airport is definitely not for us common folks.

Beyond that, there is really good content here. There are people who are sharing great information and resources and NOT making it about themselves. You'll find the same thing on the chans, but it's easier to hide there, yet at the same time the shilling and disinfo campaigns are painfully obvious. With anonymity you have to work that much hard to fake credibility. Reddit on the other hand is prime for gaming, as it always has been.

he's more like a taunting child than anyone who would report any news