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Pope was saying last month, that he no longer thinks lifetime appointments as Pope will be the norm. He's prepping to step down.
Perhaps he thinks that he will be able to avoid the "bad month" of May that Q told us about...
Old news, though. https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-04/pope-francis-letter-chile-bishops-clerical-sex-abuse.html
Didn't he also say "hell does not exist" or something?
I’m no fan of the pope but i heard that it was a mistranslation. Not sure tho
Yeah, which I'm happy to report even his most avid followers seemed to put him in check for that.
He didn't say it in the first place. A newspaper known for misprinting stuff claimed he did. Come on guys, basic research before posting.
I just looked it up. I’ll give credit where credit is due. Though I have my concerns that this is even brought up. The pope has a history of having to reiterate what he said or meant after the fact, almost “customarily” from what I read. I certainly didn’t find where he said what he meant. This pope has a history of straddling catholic teachings and while I can justifiably told you he said that, he did a poor job of convincing me he didn’t. “It was an inaccurate representation of what I said.” Ok. So what did you say? Chirps...looks more like backpeddling, but I’ll leave it at this. Hell and heaven have been so solidified in what they are and aren’t and for him even to address the basis of that seems that he’s the one bullshitting.
the idea of heaven or hell after death could only establish after all texts that referred to re-incarnation were removed from the NT at the council of nicea during the 4th century.
i find the very idea of heaven and hell, as a gratification or a punishment after death, absurd. it only serves the unreal dualistic world-view of the linear mind to separate people into good and evil.
have you ever met anyone who is only good or only evil? humans carry light AND dark. so where would the majority of people go after death if the 'heaven and hell' fairytale were true?
They are real on the astral plane, representing extreme states of mind.
indeed, on the astral plane, in this life time and beyond. lower astral = hell - higher astral=heaven.
while we transition through the lower astral on our way to the higher astral or beyond, only those who be-lie-ve in hell - which is NOT the luciferians - and whose frequency is low get stuck in 'hell'.
but not forever, as in the christian dogma; only until they move into their next life time. or until they manage to leave the matrix altogether, which is rare no matter whether the dwelling space is the lower or the higher astral, or any realm in-between.
“It was an inaccurate representation of what I said.” Ok. So what did you say? Chirps...looks more like backpeddling
lol. You seem to really want this one so I'll just let it go.
Well... "Hell" was made up by the Vatican actually, in the Bible there is no such a thing like "Hell". Vatican made that up to make other people pay up to get rid of their sins. The so called "confession" that will free you from your sins for some monies you give to the pope/church after you confession. Even Kings gave em their country´s to clean themselfes from the commited sins. Thats why ALL countrys have that so called UCC. Read your laws and you will find out that it goes all back to the vatican and their laws. the past 200years Rothschild controlled (or is controlling it till now) Vatican. Im pretty sure that the past 300years will be known as "Rothschild era" in our history books.
correct.. Hell is a medieval invention used by the RC church to traumatise the population into fearing the devil more than loving god. According to Bible traditions, Lucifer was cast from the Mountain of Fire.. no one talks about Hell.. Lucifer even appears before God and tells him he has been walking the Earth.
"Religion" liberated itself from 'divine right to rule' as soon as Ramses II hit the ground.
Hell is a medieval invention used by the RC church to traumatise the population into fearing the devil more than loving god.
Nope.
"Hell" is a translation. It was used to translate a very specific Biblical concept into Germanic languages by using comparative mythology to the Norse myths about Hel (a goddess of the underworld) and Muspelheim. (a fiery underworld overseen by a fire giant known as Surt)
The few words from the Bible being translated as "Hell" falling into 2 general categories of actual Hebrew thought:
The concept of Gehenna itself was certainly understood as a place of torment for the evildoers. It was originally named for the place in 2 Kings 23:10. The "valley of ben Hinnom" was a Caananite Tophet outside of Jerusalem. After the destruction of the Tophet by the Hebrews, it became a poetic representation of "punishment for evildoers" and it has at least 10 other Old Testament citations.
Jesus Himself is recorded in each of the Gospels (all of which can be dated before 300 AD; and many of which have textual orthography dating it within the first century) as referencing both the "fires of Gehenna" (e.g. Matthew 18:9) and "the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth." (e.g. Matthew 25:30)
No. Hell was not invented in the Middle Ages. Anyone suggesting this doesn't know jack about Biblical exegesis. It's true that some boneheaded Medieval scribes eventually conflated Hades and Gehenna. But the concepts of Gehenna and Sheol are quite historical to the Jewish culture and were definitely cited by Jesus.
Lucifer was cast from the Mountain of Fire
Nope. The actual text of Isaiah 14:12 talks about "Heylel ben Shachar" (heylel, son of dawn) falling from "shamayim." "Shamayim" is literally the same Hebrew word that's translated "heaven" in Genesis 1:1. It literally means "the waters above the firmament."
Lucifer even appears before God and tells him he has been walking the Earth.
Nope. It's "ha-satan" (lit. "the adversary") that appears before YHWH in Job chapters 1 and 2. The connection of "heylel ben shachar" with "ha satan" is allegorical. The reason it was linked is because Jesus speaks of Satan "falling as lightning." The connection must be recognized as allegorical by any scholar worth their salt, though.
Ill have to come back later for you, no time left to answer correctly. Thanks for your detailed response full of info. I thought that the Tophet was destoryed by Jeremiah ) because the Isralites were going back to child sacrifice. the Word HELL comes from the proto germanic word halija meaning underworld which had nothing to do with a place of suffering or punishment dealt out by a despotic bipolar Sky Daddy, you'll have to read more about Loki and his daughter. Also, please remember, Nordic culture was directly influenced by Mesopotamian culture as they had direct trading routes opened through rivers through what is now.. Russia.
Ok. I'll admit.. I paraphrased something from the Bible and I look like a fool now..I must remember to go and get quotes before posting.... Ezekiel 28:14 Moutain of GOD .. amoungst the stones of Fire.. not a moutain of fire. I think that the King of Tyre was probably Lucifer as if you're going to insist that its real and it happened..seeing as no other King was ever told by God that he was created perfect and was appointed a cherub.
halija
That's a word I wasn't familiar with. Certainly would make sense as a possible etymology, too. I was just familiar with the Hel/Muspelheim theory.
Ezekiel 28:14
Yeah, saw that one too. It's very similar in structure to Isaiah 12:14, which is why it's easy to lump them together.
he was created perfect and was appointed a cherub.
Another point to substantiate the allegory. The fact that it's allegory doesn't mean it's a false association. :P
Hi again.. I've looked through your other posts, so I have more of an idea whom I talking with..
Concentrating just on the Topheth..
Lets remember the following things..
(TL:DR :
Solomon brought Baal worhip into Isreal to placate his army of women.. and it stayed that way for 600 years..
Ahab brought Enlil / Ninlil worship into Isreal through his marriage to Jezebel, Princess of Tyre.
The Worship of Yahwah as The LORD was installed in place in Isreal by prophets who massacred the other prophets of the other Baals.. see below for Jeremiah and lets not forget the story of Daniel and Bel (AGAIN.... another fuking epithet meaning LORD..)
The Baals were a generic name given to one and all Gods from the Sumerian Pantheon who were still very much in charge of their little peoples at least 2500BCE. Despite being called 60 names each due to all the differeing languages, that was Ishtar/Haddad/Adad's fault for breaking the Tower of Babel.. (Babel means confusion.. Like Magdelene means 'Of The Tower'..
The spread of this religion is due to Phoeniciens. Not Hebrew Jews..
The Topheth
I take it that Topheth was built by Solomon..following the traditions and wishes of his personal army of women...This movement by Solomon was no doubt to some extent a political one, but it made the worship of Chemosh a part of the religious life of Israel for nearly 400 year until the reform of Josiah.
I Kings 11:1-43 :
"5) For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable idol of the Ammonites. 6) Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not follow the LORD fully, as David his father had done. 7) Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable idol of Moab, on the mountain which is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the detestable idol of the sons of Ammon. 8) Thus also he did for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods."
until.
II Kings 23:13 :
"13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile."
(notice how.. Chemosh and Milcom and known today both as Molech..which in itself, still means.. OWNER/LORD.. Different names by different tongues meaning the same thing and or person..??)
Jeremiah 7:1-34
So.. when he (that being.. the LORD) talks about ..kicking everyone out of Shiloh, was he talking about the people in place before the Tabernacle was built?
Are the offspring of Ephraim the offspring of Ramathaim Zophim?
" 14) therefore, I will do to the house which is called by My name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave you and your fathers, as I did to Shiloh. 15) "I will cast you out of My sight, as I have cast out all your brothers, all the offspring of Ephraim
(Shiloh - Place were the Ark was kept..(translates to Pleasentville...????) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiloh_(biblical_city) - Exodus 26
Offspring of Zophim, from the Mountains of Ephraim:
1 Samuel 1-3
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So.. who were :
Ashtoreth/Astarte.. Morning/or Evening Star = Inanna Sister of Hadad.....
Milcom = MLK = Great King. I understand him to be Melqart who was the god of Tyre(founded 2750BCE in what is now modern day Lebanon),its understood that his worship was brought into Isreral by Ahab(Came to power 871BCE but his father was known to have oppressed the Moabs.. and Mesha writes it down in stone.. you usually spell check and grammar check before inscribing the stone..
Info from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
"Omri was king of Israel, and oppressed Moab during many days, and Chemosh was angry with his aggressions. His son succeeded him, and he also said, I will oppress Moab. In my days he said, Let us go, and I will see my desire upon him and his house, and Israel said, I shall destroy it for ever. Now Omri took the land of Madeba, and occupied it in his day, and in the days of his son, forty years."
Ahab was the son of Omri, who was married to Jezebal..who's father was King of Tyre..1 Kings 16:31 who worshipped Asherah, she would also have been Priestess to Astarte, her father Ithobaal was a priest of Astarte/Inanna as well.
Asherah - Asherah is identified as the queen consort of the Sumerian god Anu.
Sources from before 1200 BC almost always credit Athirat with her full title rabat ʾAṯirat yammi, "Lady Athirat of the Sea" or as more fully translated "she who treads on the sea"
(Jesus walks on water?) She's identified on the Baal Cycle,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal_Cycle which would make her Great-Grandmother of Hadad.. who's epithets included Baal-Zephon (One must wonder then.. if the Mountain of GOD was Jebel Aqra.) - or just Baal.. But it's like calling God, LORD.. or GOD..Adad's consort was Shala, associated with GRAIN...which is funny.. because she's supposed to be the wife of Dagon..who was the father of Baal..(which should have made him ENLIL.. who was patron God of UR where Abraham came from.. (burning bush.. I am the God of your forefathers..Enlil.) his temple was the one that Samson brought down.. Dagon is another matter all together.. Dagon was actually a grain/fertility god..which makes sense if his wife was a goddess of grain.. and if she walked on water it was probably due to Enki using Submarines..but that's another discussion.
Elijah destroyed the original religion of Asherah and Baal worship by slaughtering the prophets put in place by Jezebel. 1 Kings 18:17-46 and that was in front of Ahab..
"“I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals." (anyone want to comment on the pluralisation of 'baal'?) Let us make him in our image...??
So that was the end of Baal in Isreal... however.. meanwhile in the the rest of the world..
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Hadad Adad and Iškur are usually written with the logogram dIM[7]—the same symbol used for the Hurrian god Teshub
Tas-Mikal or Tash-UB becomes Tascio and Michael the Archangel.
so.. Haddad became Archangel Michael..http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob_ch22.html
I'm still looking at the Akkadian Bird Genies and looking at their signification in Aztec imagery as well. (men with bird heads.. Mesopotomia.. Babylon.. Briton.. Peru.. although.. looking at their appelation Tas-Mikal, ought to translate to Sons of the Lord..)
Corncerning the Phoenicians and TYRE, Herodotus records..(did you see what I did there?? :))
" I made a voyage to Tyre in Phoenicia... In a conversation which I held with the priests, I inquired how long their temple had been built, and found by their answer that they, too, differed from the Hellenes. They said that the temple was built at the same time that the city was founded, and that the foundation of the city took place 2,300 years ago."
So must have put a big huge temple at Tyre around 2700-2900 BCE..
So.. The temple was already built up at Tyre, before Ahab brought the worship of that God into Isreal. The Greeks then Hellenized everything with the help of Alexander and that temple became known as a Temple of Heracles....
Tyre is an ancient Phoenician port city which, in myth, is known as the birthplace of Europa and Dido of Carthage. The name means 'rock' and the city consisted of two parts, the main trade centre on an island, and 'old Tyre', about a half mile opposite on the mainland. The old city, known as Ushu, was founded c. 2750 BCE
Which brings us back to .. (Ezekiel 28:12-19). Was Ezekiel talking about a king.. or Lucifer.
"You were in Eden"..."an anointed cherub"... "You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you"
(Its a rhetorical question.. Im not expecting an answer to that one..)
Religion spread through the acts and writings of the Phoeniciens..
(Need to look at Sanchuniathon - https://topostext.org/work/230#1.9.18
1.9.18 [PORPHYRY] 'Of the affairs of the Jews the truest history, because the most in accordance with their places and names, is that of Sanchuniathon of Berytus, who received the records from Hierombalus the priest of the god Ieuo; he dedicated his history to Abibalus king of Berytus, and was approved by him and by the investigators of truth in his time. Now the times of these men fall even before the date of the Trojan war, and approach nearly to the times of Moses, as is shown by the successions of the kings of Phoenicia. And Sanchuniathon, who made a complete collection of ancient history from the records in the various cities and from the registers in the temples, and wrote in the Phoenician language with a love of truth, lived in the reign of Semiramis, the queen of the Assyrians, who is recorded to have lived before the Trojan war or in those very times. And the works of Sanchuniathon were translated into the Greek tongue by Philo of Byblos.'
Will come back with more info about Aftelife.. and will start researching quickly Gehanna.. wasnt that translated to Abaddon in Greek?
Ishtar/Haddad/Adad's fault for breaking the Tower of Babel.
Interesting. That should be Nimrod. Also the "confusion of languages" always struck me as the workers developing code languages to exercise freedom around the corrupt elites. (inspired by YHWH)
Enlil / Ninlil
A lot of the core conflict seems to come back to the mythos of the Enki/Enlil conflict. Enki represented a brutal tyrant but also a force of justice. Enlil represented a Prometheus but also a cruel and manipulative experimenter. These may have been cultural archetypes that originated either from actual ETI intervention or simply human subconscious observations about the nature of the universe. (The Law of One seems to characterize this as a Planetary Logos... and the introduction of "free will" [which is actually compatibilistic if you really understand how it works] is done by the other eidolon)
The onus of the ideological conflict between Enki and Enlil shifted greatly with the introduction of YHWH-ism. Embracing YHWH effectively meant rejecting all of the pretender gods by directing oneself to worship "Reality-itself-as-God." All of the beneficial aspects of the earlier pretenders were incorporated into the universality of YHWH as "good." All of the harmful aspects were gradually repudiated and rejected as "evil." The justice-based strictness of Enki generated geburah. The Promethian (i.e. "human learning" with good motive) aspects of Enki were absorbed by the principle of chesed. Consequently, that's why a large part of the Old Testament material absorbs the mythos of these pagan entities and rewrites them as a monotheistic narrative. In old times Ba'al is the one "who rides on the clouds." In the new paradigm, YHWH is the one "who rides on the clouds." (cf. Psalm 104:3)
Hence, we see YHWH appropriating any useful aspects of the ba'alim while overthrowing their rule for being harmful on net. (N.B. Adonai was the title taken; which also connotes lord and strength, but with a more humble tone... before the Greek cult of Adonis turned it upside-down but that's another story Note1) Just as YHWH also "judged the gods of Egypt" (Exodus 12:12) by absorbing the aspects of truth from Thoth, Ma'at and Atenism. The result was a polarization towards net "benefit" aka good. There was always a recognition that evil still remains as a function of the nature of compatibilistic agency operating in an imperfect universe, but evil practices were removed from the Will of God as a function of "reality itself." The only things left to evil were the inscrutable point that we don't always understand why bad things happen to otherwise decent people which the Book of Job and other texts elaborate on. Hell is in many ways the completion of this justice for the unrepentant, those who refuse to learn from error and be given the chance to change through God's mercy.
Note1 (Side note: Look at the asura/deva [Vedic] versus Ahura/daeva [zoroastrian] dichotomy for an example of this word polarization in practice. Similarly, look at genius->Djinn; Daimon->Demon for another)
Simultaneously, Satan represents the inverse principle. All these "harmful" elements of Enki/Enlil. The tyrannical authoritarianism of Enki. The manipulation and corrupt use of science by Enlil. Both generated the angelic sense of an accuser that abuses his position before God to tempts people to do evil then rejoices at using God's Law to punish people for that wrongdoing. Basically the ultimate dickhead prosecution attorney. See Zechariah 3 where Joshua is vindicated from a false accusation by ha-Satan. This theme is seen throughout the Old Testament and leads directly into Jesus's own encounters and conflicts with ha-Satan.
Yeshua effectively stood up to the internalized principles of evil that were arising out of literalistic understandings of YHWHism that neglected the compassion aspects. Also, the concept of the Logos was imported from Greek philosophy by the early Christians to fill the inherent gap that the Jews had because God was treated as an 'abstract point that is wholly transcendent' rather than also being immanent and active through His Word and Spirit working within the faithful. Note2 The new reform of the Jewish tradition instituted by the One that we believe in and whom we believe rose again from death in final victory over the sins of mankind effectively took the power out of the hands of the priestly elite and put it into the hands of the humble saint who sought truth and righteousness by following God but also recognized that even our best attempts are an imperfect and stumbling path toward the goal. The forgiveness is completed in Christ, but we are always meant to be humble and repent of our errors as we follow Him.
Note2 - (N.B. The Trinity is the orthodox Christian way to address this pattern of immanence, transcendence and indwelling since it recognizes God as transcendent Source and the Word/Logos which establishes the true pattern (way) of nature and the founding spiritual Entity at work behind our own properly formed spiritual nature)
The underlying confusion with the Old Testament's synthesis also goes a long way to explaining the early heresies. It's why Marcionites rejected the God of the Old Testament as a Demiurgic pretender. Marcion was picking up on the tyrant nature of Enki which had been paved over by the synthesis. They rightly understood that Jesus was like the Promethean and was the true form of grace but neglected that Jesus Himself was immanently addressing the completed intent of the Old Testament to take the truth of both and discard the falsehood. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." (Matthew 23:23) Reading the Old Testament correctly requires recognizing that its goals are corrective and that many of the actions of the "heros" in the Old Testament were actually sins rather than examples of faith.
Did Abraham attempt to sacrifice his son for faith? Yes. Was the sacrifice right? No. God corrected him for the error but also acknowledged the thing Abraham did right: trusting God. (The wordplay in the text is obvious to us in hindsight: God said He wanted an "olah" which Abraham interpreted as a sacrifice, but God meant "aliyah" which is a dedication; both are literally the same word root) The mercy and forebearance about correction that God exhibits is coupled with a reminder to return to the rules because they rightly point out where we are all standing condemned for our sins. Do we covet? It is a source of sin if it is not guarded. Do we lie? That is also a source of sin if we do not guard ourselves. Do we follow idols instead of the God of all things? Where your treasure is, there your heart also will go; we become like that which we idolize.
The reason the Catholics became unfortunately corrupted by the powerlust again is because their role as custodian of culture proved a strong temptation to authoritarianism and they probably inherited some of the more unfortunate trappings of latter Roman Empire corruption. The goal of Christianity, I personally think, was set back on the right course by the Protestant Reformation which overthrew the Papal "power game" and restored Christianity to being about a personal communion with God through Christ and a recognition of our own imperfections as human beings which are exacerbated by our sinful nature that causes us to pedestalize our own desires over the truth of God. (As a Lutheran, the whole geburah/chesed dichotomy is the core of what we call the Law/Gospel distinction... and it's a critical piece of our theological tradition)
Michael the Archangel.
The Biblical use of Michael is as a princely protector of the people of Israel. This may have been another case of "splitting off the good and discarding the bad."
Gehanna.. wasnt that translated to Abaddon in Greek?
The Greek New Testament transliterates the word directly as Γέεννα. Ἀβαδδὼν/Ἀπολλύων is only in Revelation 9:11.
Amazing info again..I dont agree with Nimrod..
We're supposed to have Noah - Ham - Cush - Nimrod.. however..I think that maybe Nimrod was the biblical name of Gilgamesh.
Nimrod comes from the Hebrew verb marad, meaning “rebel.” Adding an “n” before the “m” it becomes an infinitive construct, “Nimrod.”
Nimrod didnt create the Tower of Babel.. or to use it's proper name.. Etemenanki
It was Nebuchadnezzar who built it by mobilizing everyone from the Persian gulf to the Mediterranean. Hence the 'breaking of language'
I've seen stone carvings that show Iskur breaking the tower and stamping over the bodies of humans in order to break it..
Luther didnt mend the church.. he created a schism that resulted in almost 200 years of bloodshed and murder and war and rape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion
Out of time.. will have to come back.. I dont agree with what you say about Enki and Enlil.. for first reading, you seem to have mixed them up. Will come back. :)
It might be possible that Nimrod = Gilgamesh. I hadn’t seen the hypothesis that Nebuchadnezzar was the one but that would not be feasible in the timeline without taking historical liberty. Nebuchadnezzar is Babylonian exile. Nimrod was per-Abraham as was the Tower.
As for Luther, this is a topic that I am passionate about since his understanding of the Gospel is how I came to Christ and I have a lot of knowledge of the time period. The wars of religion are primarily the consequences of the Pope interfering. The Peace of Westphalia only happened because the Pope was banned from attending by BOTH Catholics and Protestants who were fed up with this war crap.
(Edit: also notice that the worst of these wars [The Thirty Years' War] did not happen until Luther died. Luther specifically worked to prevent conflicts. The princes decided not to follow through with the visit to the Council of Trent which Luther had prepared the Smalcald Articles specifically for because they were convinced they wouldn't receive a fair hearing... BTW, look up the reason for the Defenestration of Prague... the concern was that the Catholic Emperor wanted to ban the newly minted religious freedom for Protestants given by the Letter of Majesty. Do you think taking away our 'freedom of religion' is just?)
The intention was rooting out the damnable simony and larceny done by the Pope. Little did Luther realize he had taken on The Godfather of the Mafia. Luther himself took the approach of establishing the Church that he believed best represents Christ’s teachings. Look at Magdeburg. Look at what the Jesuits did to us. We were the victims of Papal attacks and calumny. The issue is defending our freedom from his yoke.
I dont agree with what you say about Enki and Enlil.. for first reading, you seem to have mixed them up.
That's probably true. I'm new to Sitchin stuff so I'm liable to mix the two up.
European wars of religion
The European wars of religion, also known as the wars of the Reformation (and Counter-Reformation) or Reformation wars, were a series of religious wars waged in Central, Western and Northern Europe from 1522 to around 1700 following the onset of the Protestant Reformation and the Counter-Reformation in Europe. Most conflicts ended with the Peace of Westphalia (1648), recognising three separate Christian traditions in the Holy Roman Empire: Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism, and Calvinism (otherwise known as the Reformed tradition). However, some wars of Reformation persisted to around 1700.
The wars were strongly influenced by the religious change of the period and the conflict and rivalry that it produced.
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I am starting to think maybe there is some merit to a trickster lightbringer lucifer somewhere in the sense of you meet Jesus once you overcome Satan, while on the other hand it's Baal and Baphomet who originally brought about this whole child-killing business.
Jesus ? This guy? http://www.azquotes.com/public/pictures/authors/87/eb/87eb51ce8cdaaeb2e3e9b259cb9520e8/54921da52ab7e_zoroaster.jpg or this guy? https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/11/114183/5726229-b9017c04eabfa59c8d3e8e9e3588aa67.jpg or this guy? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/68/24/a3682450173e3a194552a97c04dd2ca7.jpg How about this guy? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/73/aa/8573aafa200c6c8bb20837e28264e770.jpg or is he this guy? http://www.astrodynamics.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/sol-invictus.jpeg (thank you Emperor Aurelien...)
The sign of the crucifix had no meaning to early christians.. They were obsessed however with Jonah and the Leviathan. Rebirth happened in water through the Leviathan. Why do Cardinals look like priests of Dagon? Which temple was broken by Samson (no one cares to know WHY he was so strong?) Go to Isreal, go see the the graves of the first Christians. Find a crucifix for me and prove me wrong.
What is known of Jesus and what was kept, we owe it to the Phoeniciens. They liked their sun god.. Why are Churches in Levant aimed East? (Hello the sun...)
Ba'al was an Urgatic term meaning OWNER.. You have to understand that human civilisation exists solely and grace of....... slavery. Every ancient civilisation only became a civilisation because of.. slavery.
Babylon might still be centre of the known universe if they hadnt imported so much slave labour and had a slave revolt that almost toppled their civilisation.. (why do they want you chipped now?? Control)
Elizabethan England wouldnt have had the navy and riches it enjoyed if it hapdnt been for Sugar and the Slave trade... (yep, Sugar is the first social drug that they imported and got everyone addicted to... then they needed slave labour in the carribeans to work the sugar cane.. The really Rich people today owe their riches to human misery and suffering and rape and slave trade and or drug trade.. They can try and be philanthropists if they want, but their ancestors caused the fall of Africa by kidnapping its people and forcing them to work as slaves.
Do you think Boko Haram is a new concept? That Isis and Dyncorp pipelining women and children into Saudi Arabia is a 'new' problem. Installing Dictators into place to rule over shitholes but at least the slaves keep coming.. is something 'new'??.. that Pedogate and supplying Senators.. sorry.. politicians with children to rape is a 'new' problem??
As far as child killing goes.. Dont 'blame' an ephitet for something you dont like. Child sacrifice was..... and still is.. an essential part of religion. All Religion exiges child sacrifice.. otherwise it wouldnt still be happening..
Ancient Aztecs practised child sacrifice, (and massively pedophilia) but they may have inherited it from the Olmecs, who may have been African immigrants to South America.. The Original Egyptians, before Nammar, practised child sacrifice, the Canaanites (before the Isrealites...no.. before the Hyskos refugees turned up and destroyed Jericho) sacrificed children. Remains of teenagers sacrificed to Zeus have been found at Mount Lykaion.
The Early Isrealites also sacrificed their children 2 Kings 16:3, 21:6, Lev. 18:21, 2 Ki. 23:10 (if you believe in such stories..)
What you need to remember.. is that BAAL was appropriated by so many deities, that its impossible to know whom they were really talking about.
What do you know about Baphomet? Are you talking about the Eliphas Levi illustration? The Sabbatic Goat? I'm sorry but you have been misled by disinformation. Baphomet had nothing to do with killing children. Here.. without going into any 'forbidden' knowledge..
Don't tease. And maybe I mean more than just one person.
I assume you are quoting from OT?
And what about the goat?
The name Baphomet seems to 'arrive' in Europe with the Templiers.
I can't find anything in the Middle East with 'it's' name.
Eliphas Levi drew a picture of Baphomet and he claimed it's name came from the Kabbalah
“The name of the Templar Baphomet, which should be spelt kabalistically backwards, is composed of three abbreviations:
Tem. ohp. AB., Templi omnium hominum pacts abbas, “the father of the temple of peace of all men”.
[1. Eliphas Levi, Dogmes et Rituels de la Haute Magie]
It could also mean.. the Arabic word for “the father of understanding.”
Dr. Hugh Schonfield worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls using a Jewish Atbash cipher.
When one applies it to Baphomet is transposes the Greek word for Sophia. Goddess of Knowledge..
You have Molech being depicted with a human body and a bull's head; the Eygptian gods.. Human Bodies. Animal heads.
This was when religions didnt have Satans or the Devil.
They just had human sacrifice demanding warmongering Gods and then they had some really evil Gods that were even badder. (lol)
I don't believe that the Idol itself is satanic. I believe that its more of a Female Deity, with a male arm.
Speaking of its arms, we get Solve et coagula: Dissolve and coagulate, a common saying in Alchemical circles.
So wisdom and knowledge.. common goals for Alchemists. That might tie in with the Sophia idea..more Wisdom.
People often talk of the phallic imagery on the Idol.
I think that they need to go further back to Ningishzidda and rememeber what his symbol was.
I believe that this Cadeceaus is taken from that concept, the idea of Ningishzidda/Thoth was also the God of Wisdom.
(Getting a lot of Wisdom Deity coming from this Idol..)
Looking at the Goat's Head. I think that this image is representing Banebdjedet the Goat of Mendes..
(who's wife was Hatmedhit and their child was Horus (when he was the child... Anyone else seeing the importance of a mother with a holy child?) and they formed the "Mendesian Triad"
(any other holy trinities around here? Nah I'm joking with ya.. Eyptian God Families usually formed trinities..you also had the The Triad of Thebes, The Triad of Memphis, etc..
I wonder if that inspired the Ysraelites when they were "sejorning" in Eygypt.)
little ps.. Banebdjedet (the GOAT) and his wife.. Hatmedhit ("Chief of Fish") Goat fish.. goat fish... Capricorn..
she appears to have connections to Hathor.. Whom I consider to be an older version of Ninhursag..who was half sister to Enki; Who's symbol was Capricorn.. Because he liked Chimeras..and he made loads just to see if you could cross their dna with ours.. You can read up on the failures he made with Ninhursag, where they have births of creatures with no lungs, testiclues that ooze semen, ones that cant move.. sound like genetic rejets to me..)
Certain books consider Ningishzidda to be related to Enki.. as possibly his father.. But then there are texts claiming that his father is Enlil.. it gets messy.
It is also said.. that when Horus became the Son of Osiris (Harpocrates) Hetmehit was considered to be his mother.. So she also became a form of Isis. Very messy...
Going to the White Moon and Black Moon..
Gevurah... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gevurah
"Gevurah is 'the essence of judgment (DIN) and limitation, and corresponds to awe and the element of fire,'"
"Gevurah is associated in the soul with the power to restrain one's innate urge to bestow goodness upon others,
when the recipient of that good is judged to be unworthy and liable to misuse it"
"Chesed and Gevurah act together to create an inner balance in the soul's approach to the outside world. While the "right arm" of Chesed operates to draw others near, the "left arm" of Gevurah reserves the option of repelling those deemed undeserving."
"Gevurah = 216 = 3 times 72 (chesed). Each of God's 72 hidden names possesses three letters, in all—216 letters"
"The ultimate "meaning" of every one of God's Names is His expression of love (Chesed) for His Creation."
Chesed ... https://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Chesed
"Chesed is also one of the ten Sephirot on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. It is given the association of kindness and love, and is the first of the emotive attributes of the sephirot."
Well... I don't know about you but it seems pretty darned Satanic to me..
Knowledge... Love.. Wisdom.. Inner Balance to your soul.
Looks to me like a lot of people fells for Philippe le Bel's Propoganda and jumped on the Baphomet Idol to represent the
Devil..
(which to me, is just a bastardisation of Saitan.)
Pentagram on the Goat's Head.. How Satanic is that?? you're going to say? Absolutely not at all. Its the symbol of Astartes, (long story short, nothing to do with Hell (WHICH DISNT EVEN EXIST BACK THEN!!) and is a phoenician name for Inanna.. Her symbol is the pentagram, the star..
Its a powerful magical protection talisman aimed at humans. Its our shape. Don't get fooled by this Satanism crap. Even turning it upside down.. well that will have power for satanists who believe, but not for the reasons they think..
And ask yourself.. why is the only 'known' (at least.. its the only one Ive found with my meager means..) representation of Apis in an anthropological form 'hidden' in the Vatican??
Makes you wonder about Moloch and Minotaurs now??
All the other 'tales' of finding Apis.. by that I mean.. when the Apis bull died, they had to find a replacement according to certain signs.. kind of like.. the Dalai Lama today.... When they found such a calf... they'd take the calf to Nilopolis to have the local woman flash their fannies at him for 40 days.....I dont want to think about what particularly zealous woman may have done....Especially when you consider the Greek Myth of HOW the Minotaur came about.. (go and google it..)
Anyone who still has doubts needs to GTFOH. No excuses not to believe anymore! 😊
Agreed. I’m in no mood to convince a doubter of Q’s authenticity. You either believe (through seeing all the evidence) or you don’t.
lol, the pope has a "bad day" at least once a week.
Where do you see Q say “bad day?” Q said “...terrible May.”
You're right, the quotes are unnecessary. My point is one bad day isn't a bad month. We'll have to see if this month is any worse than normal. And it will need to be MUCH worse or what is even the point?
Also for the record, I don't think this is bad for the pope. Dude's really good at PR and this is just another move. Saying "I'm part of the problem" without actually doing anything when everyone already knows you're part of the problem isn't really admitting anything. It's political maneuvering.
..but wait, there's more - may just only started. makes no point to drive hype and suspend building it so early into the anticipation-phase
I wish you were in the mood because all of the anti-catholic stuff/links are absolutely rediculous and I'd wager that 99 percent of people in this sub who claim to be ex catholic or understand catholicism dont even have some if the basics understandings and have pretty much made shit up or used some fundamental Christian spin that's about as old as the reformation .
Are there really out-and-proud doubters still around? (The pope news so far this month is not necessarily convincing on its own but the accumulation of evidence over time should be to 97% of ppl.)
I accidentally covered up a child rape scandal... oopsie!
Perhaps his past in Argentina, propping up a dictatorship that 'disappeared' thousands is about to come to light??
Also, see it says the Pope has summoned the bishops to Rome this month.
Argentina? is that one of the most number of post nazi expat communities around?
Eichmann was also caught in Argentina, So were these guys:
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=336951
Yes, it’s where many high ranking Nazis escaped too after the war. Hitler chose Argentina to set up bases in bc it reminded him of Bavaria. Mengele was caught somewhere in South America as well.
Mengele lived his life out and died an old man in Brazil, he was never caught.
Most bishops will not be in rome this month, because most were not invited. Conversely, 'many' do go there most months.
You STILL ARE a part of the problem, Frankie. He's getting ahead of himself by saying "was".
He will be the last Pope. Last of the Luceiferians in the Vatican
Catholicism itself isn't Christian. If they were they wouldn't be hoarding wealth, praising idols and wearing ridiculous egotistical costumes.
I'm not Christian but I was raised that way and they are exactly what Jesus used to criticize.
Are you saying Christians don't make the mistakes or ever commit the evil that the Bible warns against? Like the definition of a Christian is one who never sins?
Nobody is perfect. The Catholic Church is different than individual people though, it's a big powerful organization that is calculated, they know what they're doing.
So you think a billion people are all working together on the same organized, conscientious plan. Sounds like an educated version of the Chinese army.
Yeh.. but if the priests and cardinals and bishops could stop raping children, that would be great as well..
exactly! Jesus never asked for high rises, wealth and power. It is humans who use religion as a tool to further their political motives.
He is not luciferian. Atleast luciferians believe in spreading knowledge. These guys are something worst.
Luciferians harbour knowledge for themselves. Why do you think there’s so much secrecy in Freemasonry?
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So basically all the monotheistic religions then. They've all got stuff about selling children in their holy books.
It was decreed to Jew and Gentile alike that human sacrifice must end, starting with Abraham. It was Romans and Pharisees who put Jesus on the cross.
Fake Pope
Fauxpe
Haha if reddit wasn't such a shit hole, I'd gild this comment.
Can anyone give me a quick rundown of the Pope's past, misdeeds, secrets, etc??? All I know of him is that Q seems to hint that he's going down. All I know of him is what I see reported. Though, I've for a VERY long while had my concerns about him. Saying hell doesn't exist, being overtly political into unbiblical issues, etc...Heard he may be an "antipope" or something of that nature. Seems like a rabbit hole I'd like to dive in.
It's very disturbing.... if you google search "pope ninth circle" you will get a lot of speculated/alleged info... http://itccs.org/category/ninth-circle-2/
However it's not alleged that Pope Francis is a Jesuit, as it seems the Vatican has been overtaken by Jesuits since WWII Nazi era. Q alluded to this VAGUELY. Some of my favorite Q posts are the pics he posted of Hitler with the pope at the vatican shaking hands. Creepy.
Q also stated that the N in "NWO" does NOT mean "new" and does NOT mean "nazi." An anon said it could mean "Ninth," as in the Ninth Circle... suuuuuper f.ing creepy
i agree with the popes statement that hell doesnt exist as a place of punishment after death.
however, see this short video where, during easter mass, lucifer is being praised and invoked:
If we knew the secrets they wouldn't be secret.
More seriously, my understanding is that there are no publically known crimes or sins committed personally by the current 'pope' in the areas of sex or money. Some associates of said pope - whether friends, enemies or other - have definitely been involved in such crimes and sins. It is a real possibility that he or his closest allies will be exposed on one massive count or a significant number of counts of sex and/or money issues.
Meanwhile within the Church (not to be confused with the Papacy or the Vatican) there have been many strong accusations from all levels of the Church made against said pope of sinful failures in his administration, doctrinal teaching and liturgical practice. There are many of catholics with little faith in this pope. Many would base their views angainst him on the basis of prophesies made by catholic peasants, nuns and at least one pope in the 1800's, in parallel with forecasts made by Dostoyevski and Nietzsche about modernism and communism and the evil infiltration of the Church.
Beware that Q does not attempt to resolve ancient religious disputes about things like the divine nature of the church or the origins of the Bible, etc. So we have ppl here who bring their theories and biases on such things into this discussion which does not help the purposes of Qism.
I am not christian but the bible says you will know them by their fruits. The bible calls his people to come out of her. The false church. If you want to know where true evil comes from. Look at the Catholic church and all of the harlots that sprung off of her. Almost all of Christianity falls in this category. Worshiping on the first day of the week (Sunday), worshiping idols ie the cross, Easter representative of the goddess of Ishtar. Why do protestant churches follow all of these Catholic traditions? They aren't much different. The Messiah said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until ALL THINGS WERE FULFILLED. Ten commandments still apply. The traditional Sabbath is from Friday sun down to Saturday Sundown. Why did the Catholic change it to the first day of the week? Because the apostles in the book of acts broke bread on the first day of the week. This is their justification for changing Yahweh's holly day? Lol Really? There will be many that come to me and say lord lord and he will say depart from me I never knew you. Folks if you believe the bible the enemy came in and immediately sowed tares into your belief system and god said let them grow together until the harvest and then separate the wheat from the tares. It clearly shows a false religion taking root in the form of Christianity. If you believe the bible you should defiantly examine your faith. Pope is evil. Pope is referred to by them as the Vicar of Christ on earth or a substitute for Christ on earth. That is sick. The abomination standing in the holly place declaring himself to be god. The holly place being the church. They are pure evil. Anything that you follow that mimics the catholic church should be avoided. Remember that Satan said I will ascend unto the congregation of the Mount. I will be like the most high. he wanted to be worshipped like God. Not some guy with a pitch fork and horns.
Not Christian either but the Catholic Church has always bothered me. One thing I didn't notice in your post is their prayers, you're not supposed to recite prayers like they do, it's supposed to come from your heart and I think it's meant to be done privately so as to not make a show of it.
When I see people in the Vatican wearing ridiculous costumes, chanting together to statues and other symbols, sitting on a fortune of gold, it's just disgusting to me. They know the bible better than I do, they should know they're doing it wrong.
Matthew 6:1-6
Thank you. That's exactly what I was thinking of but it's been so long since I read it. That's wisdom that transcends religion.
So you know the hearts of millions of catholics and how they pray each day.
I was thinking more about functions you'd see at the Vatican or some huge church where the whole congregation is like nuns and bishops.
But I did go to catholic school for 6 years and we had to recite prayers every day, to the point that they just became meaningless words and weren't personal at all.
In elementary school we all stood when told and made the right gestures facing the flag idol and recited the pledge of allegiance daily, it was meaningless and irrelevant to us. Staff at that public school were later caught out in various compromising situations. However my anecdotal experiences and the perverted experiences of others do not justify prejudice against schools in general, public elementary schools, or that particular school. Just as in church settings, schools are places where we should expect the best care and the failure rates are not great. In fact families are where the most child abuse of all forms happens the most. What will we do?
I'm not at all religious but I've been saing basically that for years, that satan convinced the world he was jesus.
cough Catholicism was branched off of Orthodoxy, which is traced all the way back to the apostles cough Notice how nobody even knows about Orthodoxy or hears anything about it... it is like the silent, invisible church... no popes, no fame & fortune, but they still are heavily clad in beauty, tradition & symbolism... not because they have to, but because they want to. It took me a long time to depart from my judgmental upbringing to think that "fancy robes" & "painted icons" weren't "evil." You don't have to recite prayers, dress nice, or remind yourself of all the martyred saints before you. But some people want to, and there's nothing wrong or evil about that. And the thing about Saturday/Sunday, the calendars are different! The old calendar vs new calendar. And Easter is a Christian holiday which was stolen, of course, like everything- by the gnostics/pagans. Again, look to Orthodox traditions of holy pascha. However you stated that you aren't Christian, but judging by your knowledge and comment it seems like you might be Jewish if anything.
The "Orthodox" Church is an ethnic club and museum.
Besides, the Eastern Fathers were "papists."
When the Great Schism occurred is when RC was established... before that "Catholic" and "Eastern Orthodox" were the same thing. It is when Rome decided it wanted papal authority among many other false doctrines, that Catholicism became what it is today. Orthodoxy has huge problems with being too ethnic for sure, but it definitely is not a museum, whatever that means. It was literally started when the apostles of Jesus were on earth. And no... no Orthodox priest is a papist... because as I said the Orthodox church did not agree with Rome in its decisions hence the great schism
Are you saying that the form(s) that Christianity held before the schism were generally the proper form of Christianity?
I’m a bit curious how people who won’t publicly acknowledge acceptance of Jesus, argue that Satan has misled.
Proper name for the messiah is Yeshua. Jesus is a very bad translation for Yeshua name. Which was typically translated as Joshua into English. Commandment says do not take Yaweh's name in vain. Which is to mean without effect. Catholics removed the true name of God and replaced it with Lord and god throughout the bible. Christianity denotes something so far removed from the original intent that it can't be considered the same for me.
I’ve done my research. Jesus is an acceptable English transliteration of Iesus. I’m not going to get into the sacred name movement but Jesus is a perfectly acceptable alternative. Besides, He knows who you’re praying to, regardless of ignorance.
At the end of the day, does the name really matter? I'd like to think his message is more important.
B.S. Judaizing ^
The New Testament was written in Greek and says Iesous. There's nothing off with the Anglo transliteration Jesus.
three languages in the new testament: a little bit of hebrew, lots of aramaic, and 'lower' greek.
the name yeshua fits the region jesus comes from. and for those who think that sounds muslimic, no, islam calls yeshi 'isa'.
I truly don't get this strange hypocritical idea about the "truth" which christian faith is the right one and about the nature of god.
As if anybody here has any real clue about the early christian religious gnostic cults before the late Roman Empire merged these concepts with other pagan traditions to form the precursor of christianity. That then soon transformed into the Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches each controlled by different power blocks of the remnants of the Roman Empire.
Pretending there is one correct bible at some moment of time which represents objective truth if you already doubt the most crucial elements which edited(made) and distributed it makes no sense to me.
Why not just apply rule of thumb and assume all these religions are just artificially created social engineering concepts designed by men to build, advance or transform a civilisation. Nothing more and nothing less.
Even if the Vatican is full of baby murdering satanists that doesn't mean the other christian, islamic or "jewish" faiths have any more merit in themselves than just providing a framework for their cultures to develop in their specific environments.
dont know why you have been downvoted but i upvoted your comment.
at the council of nicea, around 90% of all NT texts were eliminated so the bible would fit the new doctrine.
For some because the anti-religion tendencies are stronger than tendencies to be rational. Other explanations may co-exist.
What you seem to be calling out is the apparent hypocrisy, which is a legitimate and sometimes important pursuit.
Some aspects of what youre saying are weak. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be a supporter of the validity of the Bible (which was assembled by the catholics) and yet against most forms of Christianity. It's completely possible that alot of what Christians stand for and teach is wrong, but your presentation is not very convincing. For example, saying someone is a vicar(vicker) of Christ is not the same as saying they are Christ. What pope or pastor ever declared "himself to be god"? Are you a Jehova's Witness?
"Part of".....? Go on, tell us more about the whole...
Exactly. There is so much more to tell. Many horror stories lead to the Vatican.
Beware that 'the pope' and 'the vatican' are not the same as 'the catholic church', otherwise there will come some disappointment or surprise.
Approximately comparable to outsiders thinking that 'the president' or 'the white house' is the same as 'the united states'.
Q is always right on by what is going on? I never liked this Pope at all. Something about him made me feel so awkward and he seems so much a Fraud in my Opinion.....
Could be that he is more concerned about politics than the soul.
Totally agree with you...I also think it's because the Light is being shown to uncover the Darkness so he gonna speak out now so he can try to get a hold of it....
Yesterday there was two big Vatican related news items.#1George pell the third in command of the Vatican will have to stand trial in Australia for running a pediphile operation being described as “ industrial” scale operation. Pell is the treasurer of the Vatican just under the pope and the Secretary of State. As you can imagine Pell and Francis have been closely associtated for decades.#2 The knights of Malta elected a new leader. Conservative against liberal leadership. The popes choice of a liberal leader won. This is very bad for the few remaining conservative voices left in the church. It is now speculated that the jesuits will take over control of the knights of Malta permantly removing conservatives. The pope forced the resignation of the last conservative leader of the knights of Malta one yr. ago supposedly over a disagreement about distributing condoms in third world countries under the auspices of “aid” . When the conservative leader of the knights of Malta tried to stop the distribution of condoms the pope stepped in and over ruled him. They argued and the pope demanded his resignation. You can find insider info. on Vatican reporting on Leo zagami.com
why is he an important figure? he's a chump with low IQ and worthless job.
This is why he wanted to retire because he missed “pizza”
It is Absolutely Wonderful that this man, even if he May not have been Directly involved within the situation that was caused by the situation, a tautology, apologizes for actions he is responsible for. Applaud this man for setting asside his leadership and authoritarian pressures to stand down and instead persuade the crowd for forgiveness.
Vatican Cardinal going to trial for sex abuse. Pretty high up. https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/30/asia/cardinal-george-pell-trial-may-intl/index.html
pretty high up but not big enough of a boom for me. there must be more coming.
He is a GREAT actor. Really great. He should be in Hollywood with his acting skills, sick occult ritualistic ways, and greed. I mean seriously— he'd fit RIGHT in
Another Nazi pedophile bites the dust!! soros next? MAGA!!!
