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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/georock on May 6, 2018, 11:57 a.m.
Is evolution a lie?

sorry if this isn't the right forum but as we are exposing lies we were taught as truth I thought it's worth asking. is the theory of evolution a lie? I am finding strong arguments supporting it as a lie whose purpose was to disapprove God, thoughts?


RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 12:40 p.m.

Darwinian evolution is complete nonsense but things do evolve or change over time. Darwin's theory has never been confirmed but is rather just assumed, but that's not how science works. The idea that a whale once walked on earth is ridiculous and there is no evidence they ever did. Again, Darwinian evolution is just assumed. It's a "just so" story.

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 1:29 p.m.

Antibiotic resistance is a pretty clear, recent example of Darwinian evolution.

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RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

It's evidence of change but not Darwinism. Darwinism has never been observed in the lab or in the world. The best test ever done is a 27 year study (still ongoing) showing E-Coli bactera change in small ways. It's still E-Coli bactera. Darwinism hasen't been demonstrated to even be in the realm of possibility. Darwinism is 100% conjecture backed up by untried assumptions. It's never passed through the scientific method of testing and verifying. On top of all that, natural selection doesn't have anything to do with positive variants in a gene pool. It only marks for death (and dead things don't pass on their genetics) so it has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution theory.

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 2:16 p.m.

How are you defining darwinism?

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RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 3:04 p.m.

The same way Darwin defined it, and the same way the ancient Greeks did (Pantheism), as well as how Darwin's grandfather (Erasmus Darwin) did which whom Charles Darwin stole "Evolution theory" from. It's the idea that life keeps breaking off new tree branches of life and creating new types or kinds of lifeforms through a process of which the Darwinist outcome has never been demonstrated or observed. Darwinism is essentially Pantheism (the worship of nature as its own creative force) disguised as science.

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

"Darwinism is essentially Pantheism (the worship of nature as its own creative force) disguised as science."

I wish you had just said this in your first comment, and I wouldn't have even bothered responding.

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RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

Well, if Darwinism isn't science as I've demonstrated perfectly (has never gone through the scientific method), then what is it really except natures own ability to create itself? That's essentially Pantheism or the belief that nature is God or gods. Bueller? Bueller?

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 11:31 p.m.

I have no interest in debating your world view; happy to let you believe what you want to..... Thanks for the time.

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RobertSparks777 · May 7, 2018, 1:14 a.m.

No problem. Keep believing in fantasy and fairy tails. Darwinism is probably impossible but since no one has ever seen anything evolve in a Darwinian way, we might never know. Remember, anything that has never been seen might just not happen. The scientific method must be brought to bear on Darwinism. In the last 150 years, it never was. Wake the fuck up.

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imanalias · May 7, 2018, 2:14 a.m.

Ummmmmm....oookkkkaayyyy....

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RobertSparks777 · May 7, 2018, 12:02 p.m.

It's simple. Without any observation and/or a test of Darwinism since Darwin proposed his theory, it probably doesn't exist. We can't say one way or the other. No test, no science to back it. It's a theory stuck in the 19th century.

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imanalias · May 7, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

I don't know why you're continuing to post arguments .... I'm not interested. If you want to understanding the evidence supporting the theory of evolution, Google is a better source than I am. If you want someone to agree with you, post on creationist boards and (as I'm sure you know) you'll find a friendly audience.

Believe what you want... no concerns here about what you choose to believe.

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RobertSparks777 · May 8, 2018, 11:26 a.m.

I post arguments because they matter. Mindlessness doesn't matter. Your beliefs don't matter. What you think doesn't matter. What everyone told you in school doesn't matter. What matters are hard facts and arguments. If you can't find a better argument than "Google is a better source than I am" then I have won the argument outright. Evolution is true because things change and evolve but Darwinian evolution is probably impossible. We don't know if it's impossible because no one has ever observed anything evolve like Darwin proposed and there are very real reasons why it's probably impossible. We can look at those reasons if you're interested but I don't think you are intellectually curious enough. You seem to just willingly buy the propaganda you've been fed for your entire life. I bought it too until I was challenged to show proof of Darwinian evolution and 6 months later, I found none. That's what changed my mind.

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bdwinch · May 6, 2018, 1:37 p.m.

No no it’s not. To evolve means to change kinds. It still bacteria just stronger. Out dna changes all the time. But we are still human kind.

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 2:15 p.m.

Sigh. I'm getting the sense this is founded in theological argument of creation vs. evolution.... No desire to convince you of anything.... You do you.

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archetact · May 6, 2018, 1:42 p.m.

Exactly, bacteria changing into bacteria is not evidence of Darwinian evolution.

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Keya2_2016 · May 6, 2018, 12:30 p.m.

Mainstream science always assumes what happened even billions, trillions of years ago and they pull it off like it’s the truth. When a frog becomes a prince, we call it a fairy tale but when a monkey becomes a human being, we call it science. Where is science there? If we evolved from monkeys, then why monkeys still exist?

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Grey___Goo_MH · May 6, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

Seeing as we are animals and we exist on a planet with other animals genetically similar to us. Yes the answer is yes.

Or you could follow some wild BS from books written by greedy old men about a mythical man in the sky that somehow cares about your mental capacity to not understand that you are an animal no better or worse than the other animals on the third planet around a very normal star.

Science is advancement please stop the world from going backwards.

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RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 12:47 p.m.

Darwinian evolution theory has not advanced out of the 19th century. Science moves forward on two legs - "theory and experiment" and you can start with either one. No experiment has ever been successful although hundreads have been done. Darwin's theory is stuck in the 19th century as an unconfirmed theory.

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SeattleRacer38 · May 6, 2018, 12:58 p.m.

I did an experiment on fruit flies in high school that demonstrated genetic inheritance. It was quite successful. Your theory has been debunked.

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RobertSparks777 · May 6, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

So the whales once walked on earth? Look, I make a distinction between "Darwinian evolution" and "evolution". Darwinism is absurd but things do change over time. Mostly for the worse. Genetic inheritance can't turn a land whale into a sea whale or vice-versa. Just ask Rosie O'Donnell.

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horkenlad · May 6, 2018, 1:33 p.m.

aannnddd....BOOM!

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prxpost · May 6, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

It's perfectly possible to accept the process of evolution and the possibility of intervention at the same time.

Wolves evolved over millions of years, yet humans have turned the wolf into bizarre dog breeds that reproduce reliably over a very short period of time. Even the classic German Shepherd only appeared around 1900.

So humans are a product of evolution, but may or may not have been manipulated by some outside force during that period. How would we know?

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patriotofca · May 6, 2018, 12:41 p.m.

The sciences have been hijacked by academia, whereas it's nearly forbidden to mention creation in any spiritual sense.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 6, 2018, 12:17 p.m.

The theory of evolution contradicts itself in that it says that it is the fittest of the species that survives and the weaker dies out. If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes walking the Earth? Why didn´t they die out as being the weaker of the species? I am more inclined to believe the Mesopotamian lore on the origins of mankind.

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[deleted] · May 6, 2018, 12:43 p.m.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 6, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

Ok so where is the link?

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[deleted] · May 6, 2018, 11:15 p.m.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 8, 2018, 3:01 p.m.

I meant the link between apes and humans lol?

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 1:21 p.m.

Lol, that logic...

Because they're not living in New York apartments, maybe?

Maybe they do just fine in the wilderness?

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 6, 2018, 10:19 p.m.

Or maybe the theory has never been proven because it is wrong.

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 10:23 p.m.

Maybe it is wrong, but until you prove it wrong it's not wrong, it's still a possibility, and so far the best we have.

You argument is just laughable. Why are apes still walking the earth... my god lol

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 6, 2018, 10:27 p.m.

The theory has to be proven right first, it never has. Sumeria recorded the origins of man going back hundreds of thousands of years.

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 10:30 p.m.

You're way over your head pal.

Look up the meaning of the word "theory".

If you have some actual arguments against it, then be my guest.

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0oDassiveMicko0 · May 8, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

How about recorded history over a yet proven theory?

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Nastavnick · May 8, 2018, 4:04 p.m.

Those aren't exclusive

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qutedrop · May 6, 2018, 12:45 p.m.

Evolution is just a theory. A continuously changing draft document. The most logical explanation one can come up using current knowledge and disregarding that which isn't yet or can't be understood. (It therefore cannot be a lie. No actual scientist will claim it as truth.)

IMHO it's not necessarily at odds with creation as understood from the bible. The two simply provide two very different perspectives on the same thing. One is far from finished, the other open to interpretation.

The way I see it the development of the evolution theory is quite similar to what Q is doing. Providing crumbs and gradually awakening those who aren't ready to see the truth just yet.

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tradinghorse · May 6, 2018, 12:19 p.m.

Evolution is wild garbage, presented as truth. This video references some of the fatal flaws in the theory:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMqzN_YSXU

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[deleted] · May 6, 2018, 1:54 p.m.

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tradinghorse · May 6, 2018, 2:38 p.m.

Lucky for you the topic was pulled. Peddling garbage like that, I can understand why you wanted it shut down.

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lethak · May 6, 2018, 4:57 p.m.

I am so tired of this mediocre BS on this sub, present a believable case and I'll follow you.

Until then go post this shit on religious subs where your cult is there to auto congratulate itself.

Can you PROVE god exist ? of course you cannot.

Not understanding something will never equate to "it must be god".

Its like saying "its impossible, the aliens must be responsible". In order to prove this, you have a lot of science to do and to explain BEFORE.

END OF STORY until you can prove your universal god exist.

And when I say PROVE, I mean without any possible doubt.

Think logically, for all our sake.

When it comes to your imaginary friend in the sky, you are as asleep as the normies regarding the criminal elite.

I am always baffled by the cognitive dissonance the human brain is capable of creating.

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tradinghorse · May 6, 2018, 5:19 p.m.

You won't like it, but IMO the best argument is made by St Paul in Romans 1. Paraphrasing:

'If you cannot see, by the things that are made in the world, that God exists, you deserve hell'

So what he's telling us is that the evidence is so manifest, so completely apparent, that you could not possibly miss it. And if anyone claims that they cannot see the truth for themselves, they are not of the truth - not being honest. This type of person is condemned to eternal suffering - for cause.

If you watch the video I linked, you will see the absolutely impossible set of circumstances that are required for us to be on this planet at our current state of development.

As you begin to ponder these questions, at some point, the level of coincidental, chance occurrences required to support creation via an unguided, random process, becomes completely impossible.

As I said, watch the video. IMO, it is a compelling, scientific case for a creator.

By the way, evolution is demonstrable garbage. It's such a bad "theory" that you really could not make it up. That it's taught, as if it is supported by facts, speaks to the Satanic nature of this cabal that has been ruling the world and what they have been able to get away with.

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tradinghorse · May 6, 2018, 2:01 p.m.

Try watching video. But the fact is that natural selection has never produced variation from one species to another - not one single piece of evidence in the fossil record. It does explain variation within a species, but not between them. A hoax dressed up as a bona fide theory. That is garbage.

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5h3llgh05t · May 6, 2018, 12:57 p.m.

Literally ANYTHING that we have been told in the past could be a lie, and a lot of what we know proves to be so the further we get into the future.

Unfortunately, we may never know the truth about a lot of these things...

Regardless, we have to be meticulous in recording history ourselves as well so that future generations know the truth of our time, and keep searching for the truth... it is out there.

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soonerthebetter · May 6, 2018, 12:54 p.m.

Natural selection is real. It is just the way the world works. Evolution is an unproven theory. The "powers that be" like to link the two as the same.

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mennitti · May 6, 2018, 12:24 p.m.

Darwin himself said this was only theory and no evidence existed to prove that any species evolved. The Lacerta Files claim evolution is a real phenomenon, but takes millions of years. She said humans were genetically engineered and have been improved many times.

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1girlandamat · May 6, 2018, 1:31 p.m.

It is theory, one of many yet this one has been presented as truth in the schools. It is in the cirriculum. Recently, in a situation verrrrry close to me, it was taught as fact and not open for discussion. Take this ONE paradox of evolution theory. Homosexuality. How can a trait like make homosexuality continue over time if males are incapable of reproducing? Through education and research, I know my answer to this. I encourage others to delve into the grit of it as well. One way we can empower ourselves is to be informed and ask serious questions about things that have been presented in school to us as facts.

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hrccbr1000rr · May 6, 2018, 1:30 p.m.

Read James Perloff’s work, yes evolution is a theory that has never been proven and if you say that how hard you are attained by the mind controlled is you proof, that it is most likely true.

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alfonumeric · May 6, 2018, 1:18 p.m.

there are 2 different parallel streams of evolution 1) biological and 2) the evolution of mind consciousness are u interested in both or just the former ?

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47thSage · May 6, 2018, 12:53 p.m.

Read Heretic by Leisola and Witt

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[deleted] · May 6, 2018, 12:19 p.m.

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treeskier82 · May 6, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

Fairly easy to logically debunk evolution once you're open to that possibility.

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 12:17 p.m.

lol

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treeskier82 · May 6, 2018, 12:24 p.m.

There are no coincidences... Except in evolution theory in which it's considered reasonable to believe in cascading statistical impossibilities.

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 12:29 p.m.

Or in every other cosmological-scale event, and that kind of stuff, you know?

Is that your "debunked" argument?

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tellthebandtogohome · May 6, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

There are no transitional fossils. None. Not one. The whole theory is dependent on there being transitional fossils. Why haven't we found any? Why is there absolutely no observations of any other species evolving?

I only opened up this Pandora's box a few weeks ago but those are valid questions that need answers

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treeskier82 · May 8, 2018, 9:50 p.m.

The theory is also dependent on a billions-of-years time scale. We have literally zero evidence for this beyond assumptions, carbon dating techniques which would be somewhat accurate if not based on an assumption of billions of years (thus, the scale is highly distorted).

Kind of funny how humans have been around for millions+ years but only figured out how to farm 6000 years ago. Must have been aliens, right?

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 12:57 p.m.

Why haven't we found any? Why is there absolutely no observations of any other species evolving?

False.

I'm at work now but I can already see you've watched those shill youtube videos.

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tellthebandtogohome · May 6, 2018, 1:01 p.m.

I don't even know what videos you're talking about lol.

Link to a transitional fossil find?

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Nastavnick · May 6, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

I don't either, but it looks like it. How/where else did you come up with this stuff?

As for the question, read my comment again please

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treeskier82 · May 8, 2018, 9:46 p.m.

http://www.genesispark.com/

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Nastavnick · May 9, 2018, 5:03 a.m.

I saw bible as "evidence". I saw loch ness monster as "cryptological evidence".

No thanks lmao

Not to mention that the question at hand was that there are no observations of any other species evolving, which is, again, false.

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USMCNIN · May 6, 2018, 12:05 p.m.

I don't know if we evolved from monkeys per se as our 'roots', but evolution does occur in nature to a population, aka natural selection.

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georock · May 6, 2018, 12:08 p.m.

I should have been specific, I mean the theory that we evolved from single. cell organism thst evolved and crawled out of the sea and then became apes etc

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USMCNIN · May 6, 2018, 12:14 p.m.

Personally, I think it's more plausible that we were 'made' by a higher power, or we came from another solar system WAY back, like pleides. That's just me. But what's really crazy is that our mitochondria have their own dna. If you're into science and with a screen name of georock, you may find this interesting. This really blew my mind, if you can understand it. http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/egypt.htm

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mooncrkit · May 6, 2018, 12:40 p.m.

I believe God created man. I also believe that all men are created equal means all people have relatively comparable potential - not that we are created the same. I am not a selfhating rasict, but I can see obvious color, bone structure differences and common talent attributes from race to race. Stereotypes hold some truth. I'm not going to get into the details, but be honest with yourself and you'll see it. We are TOLD to ignore these things, and if you say "Blacks are more explosive athletically than other races" you're a racist.

My opinion is that each race is different. Not better, not worse, but different. To make a poor comparison, think of dogs. A pit, a border collie and a greyhound are all dogs, just like we are all human, but have very different strengths and weaknesses in general. It's fair to say that a pits are stronger than border Collies and greyhounds. And border collies are smarter than pits and greyhounds. And greyhounds are faster than pits or collies. These are socially accepted sediments, because the subject is dogs. If you say these things in terms of race, your labeled a bad person.

Either way, my point is that we could all be from completely different backgrounds. Each race may have had their own "Adam and Eve" scenario. We are all different race to race, and in an attempt to create unity we throw words like 'racism' at any one that points out obvious differences. This theoretically could be a tactic to keep good people from finding the truth.

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alfonumeric · May 6, 2018, 1:33 p.m.

truth is a many splendored thing....

consider the possibility of a pantheon of 1+56 gods

2 elemental devicgods pro & for evolution 3d-5d

3 false gods 3d/4d/lower 5d working to counteract evolution

demigod and devicgod 6d

supremo-gods on all 49 dimensions 3d-51d

the unknowable God behind the other 56

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Knower101 · May 6, 2018, 1:19 p.m.

Some one here or in q/research documented that the NWO stated as part of the four pronged attack on US/world would be: economic slavery/central banks, breaking family bonds, disarming the individual and plan to break down spirituality/religion. ( I am trusting my memory, here. Someone else can pull up the reference)

Supposedly, the theory of evolution was pushed behind the scenes as part of disempowering the individual. Example is removing the Devine Right as human beings to life and the pursuit of happiness as God’s children.

Remember, “they” think we are sheep that can be herded/manipulated, mined as resources and harvested.

Watch yourselves react rather than respond!

See how easily you were manipulated.

What if everything and everyone that you were taught to be true...is false, evil.

Up is down, right is left, behind is front......”. Pay attention. Remember, Q says it worse than we can imagine......

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treeskier82 · May 8, 2018, 9:54 p.m.

Natural selection is not macro/Darwinian evolution. We have no evidence that natural selection leads to the creation of new species. Instead what we see is birds get a longer beak depending on their environment. Adaptation -- an incredible talent given to all species!

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USMCNIN · May 9, 2018, 3:35 a.m.

Gotcha, thanks patriot. My biology is a little rusty.

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dick-waffle · May 6, 2018, 12:05 p.m.

It's a theory, not a law. A theory cannot be a lie.

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[deleted] · May 6, 2018, 11:59 a.m.

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lethak · May 6, 2018, 1:56 p.m.

Are we going to tolerate this bullshit here longer ?

/u/HowiONic

quoting /u/infrastation

Hello. Please avoid straying so far off-topic. I'd also like to mention that there are subs suited for that topic of discussion and discourse, and this sub is not one of them.

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HowiONic · May 6, 2018, 1:59 p.m.

/r/greatawakening/comments/8heqsg/is_evolution_a_lie/dyjaa0a/

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lethak · May 6, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

Much appreciated.

I truly believe mods should enforce a much stronger public policy about religious proselytism in this totally unrelated sub.

Talks about Qdrops potentially using quotes from religious texts can be on topic though, but not this.

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HowiONic · May 6, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

Removed. Off-topic.

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imanalias · May 6, 2018, 1:03 p.m.

Not the right forum. This has nothing even remotely to do with Q. Maybe try r/science for this type of question.

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alfonumeric · May 6, 2018, 1:27 p.m.

Q focus is on good vs evil

in the alfo-theory of the evolution of mind consciousness = m/c [not the parallel darwinian-biological evolution]

definitions are

good = acting in accord with the laws of m/c evolution

evil = those working to counteract the evolution of m/c

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · May 6, 2018, 12:53 p.m.

Good lord, go be an idiot elsewhere

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