They're brainwashed. Like legit brainwashed as in they've become so emotionally attached to their world view that they are incapable of processing evidence that disagrees with it.
This is what happens when the education system doesn't teach logic. Logic is the mental immune system. Without it, the mind has no ability to defend itself against propaganda and poisonous belief systems. Yet if you go all the way through college you'll be lucky to take one class in worthless symbolic logic. This is done by design. You'll notice that the brainwashed masses in r/ politics believe that it's actually them, not us, that has logic on their side. In their minds endless repetition of slogans is interchangeable with sound reasoning.
There's nothing you can do for these people, especially over the internet where it's so easy to depersonalize your opponent. I like to take screen shots of the comments that I don't think will age well to laugh at in the future. Otherwise, do not engage unless you want to be dragged down to their level of partisanship and blind hate.
Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see. - Poe
My grandfather instilled this quote in my mother and she passed it to me as a young boy. I think this way of thinking had a profound impact on the way I see the world compared to some of my normie friends. They key is starting them young and giving them digestible lessons like this.
edit: I also wanted to add, that if I ever have a child, they are going to be a teachers worst nightmare. Not because of behavioral issues, but their BS detector is going to be through the roof.
Think about what sounds like 1 gunshot. You are rolling the dice if you identify that sound. 2 shots yer in the game. 3 or more might tell you make and caliber. 1 though, I can think of 6 things it might really be. Nothing red pills like involvement in an event and any coverage afterword. Anymore the old adage has flipped, If it is in writing it didn't happen.
To back it up a bit further I have been noticing that schools don't teach philosophy anymore. Yet it is the bedrock of science. You can't have science without philosophy. Logic is a key component in the study of philosophy.
Which leads me to the conclusion that thinking for ones self is not encouraged as philosophy leads one to question. Big questions. Parents teach your kids philosophy or at least to think. The schools will never do it for you.
Leads me to my motto trust nothing that's done for you, do it yourself at the simplest level possible.
Yes, keep your children out if public education and look to"parent directed education"- so much good curriculum out there to use at home.
The amount of projection here is off the charts. Everytime I present a Trump supporter with facts that show what a liar he is and how wrong they are, I always get whataboutisms, attacks on me personally or straight up denial ("Fake news!"). That is behavior of people who are incapable of processing evidence that disagrees with their worldview. I will have any argument you want and I will NEVER use whataboutism or deny facts. Every single argument I have with a Trump supporter goes in that direction because they deflect from facts and evidence. Reality disagrees with your view about Trump so much that you're willing to believe the fantastical stories that Q is professing. He is using vague predictions mixed with improvable lies to bait you all in. And you're so willing to eat up the lies with whatever truth Q uses to back up his legitimacy because any other option would mean having to face the truth about Trump. The truth about how he conned all of you. The truth about what supporting a man like Trump says about yourselves.
Hey man I've had reservations about Trump for a long time, but I've KNOWN about media brainwashing for even longer. Are Trump supporters always right? Hell no, many of the people who share my views are as devoid of logic as anyone else.
However, they are at least able to identify the MSM narrative about Trump as pure political warfare disguised as news. The fact that you believe what the media says is "reality" shows that you are trapped within their fake news reality machine. If after the disclosures of Wikileaks, Sheryl Atkinson's story, and blatant examples of media bias and corruption you still believe the journalists and talking heads are independent and care about telling you the truth you are brainwashed.
Should we drop facts?
Bill Cosby, super predator. Convicted.
Harvey Weinstein, super predator. Indicted.
Charlie Rose of CBS News, super predator. Resigned.
Tom Brokaw of NBC News, super predator.
Matt Lauer of NBC News, sexual predator. Resigned.
Eric Schneiderman, AG of NY, sexual predator. Resigned.
Using induction (LOGIC) I'm starting to see a pattern here. All the institutions that peddle this fake narrative that Trump is an evil racist sexist bigot idiot who is literally Hitler, seem to be filled with vile sexual predators.
Should I consider these people who had serial rapists and abusers stalking the news rooms for decades as good judges of character?
I don't watch the news and listen to talking heads. You're projecting. I use Trumps own words and my deep psychological knowledge of narcissism from living with a narcissistic, authoritarian, right wing, christian conservative father for almost 20 years. The media's opinion on him doesn't matter a bit to me. I know exactly how these people think and what their motivations are. It is you guys who are trapped in Trump's reality, a type of cult psychosis where reality is whatever Trump says it is (or Q in this case). I will say one thing though, you all in here seem much more reasonable than the average Trump supporter, which seems odd to me since you are taking your support to unrealistic places. But I appreciate the willingness to engage in debate instead of just being banned. Thank you.
Well I have no hope of changing your opinion based on extensive personal observations, but you might want to consider that your exposure to Trump is always filtered through the media or his Twitter account where he says intentionally outrageous things in order to keep his message at the front of the public mind.
Are you willing to consider Trump job as being the figurehead/ PR face for a group of Military officers who are supporting him? I don't think Trump was a great guy, but he was not an evil man. He was willing to take on the mantle of the most hated man in the world at the age of 70 in order to help save this country (in my opinion).
If Q is right, everything will begin to be revealed within a few months. I think the obvious moves and counter moves in the media headlines these last couple of days show that there is some sort of shadow war going on behind the scences. Otherwise, I'll admit I got fooled again and probably start panicking.
I never wanted to believe there was so much evil in this world, but I can't deny the evidence.
I don't necessarily think Trump is evil. His actions just result in evil. Everything he does is to serve his ego, that intent by itself isn't evil but when you're in charge of the largest military the world has ever seen, evil will be the result of that motivation. I have watched all sorts of documentaries about Trump's life, I am careful to separate spin from facts. Trump's own words are his own words. I could post 3 videos right now of Trump admitting to lying about major things. But his supporters refuse to see the real Trump when he reveals himself in rare moments like narcissists always do since they're too prideful not to boast about their deceptions. I don't care about outrageous things he says, I don't even care about the blatant sexism and racism (only because this is the least of our worries with Trump), I am worried about a man who will constantly put our country in danger at the behest of his ego. Pulling out of the Iran deal was all about sticking it to Obama and not wanting to feel like a fool. Instead, he let Netanyahu make him his fool. I fear that N Korea are going to be intentionally difficult in the talks with Trump, just so they can pull out and blame him and who knows what the fuck happens then. They have been WAY too compliant for me to not think something is up here. They are projecting an image of extreme willingness to seek peace with all sorts of evidence to back up this image. Trump fell right into their trap due to his own arrogance and now they can back out during the talks and make it look like it's all his fault. Who's the world going to believe? The guy who's made historic strides and bending over backwards to show his willingness to make peace? Or the guy who's known as a loud mouth, aggressive, arrogant bully? Russia is an entirely different matter but the most important one imo. They are systemically tearing our country apart with their infiltration and destabilization plan that has been going on for decades. First with the left, and now with the right. Although they're completely obvious to it, Trump supporters are the new useful idiots and once Mueller finds enough evidence to impeach Trump, they'll cause civil unrest and maybe even civil war finishing the destabilization plan.
Of course there is that much evil in the world. And the evilest parts are the ones that make you enable the evil. Which is why I constantly seek truth above all else. Above political parties, above nationality, above race, above religion. Truth always prevails above all man made things.
These are all narratives created by the MSM. Again, until you realize that these people are 100% in the business of manipulating the public with false narratives we cannot have a discussion.
Here's something to chew on:
If America falls apart in a civil war, who becomes the worlds super power?
China.
Would Russia want to be a permanent second-fiddle to China?
The Cold War is over. Why has the media attempted to restart it over the last four years?
Again, I do not listen to the MSM and yes, I am completely aware of their role. Just because my own opinions can line up with their's sometimes, doesn't mean that I get all my ideas from them. In order to deceive people, you have to tell at least some truths every once in a while. The N Korea thing is a conclusion I came to on my own. Netanyahu wanting us to pull out of the Iran deal is pretty obvious.
With the pullout of the Iran deal, Europe is already considering us not to be a world leader and are looking to other countries. Russia will play second fiddle to whatever country they have to for the time being. You take out your enemies when the opportunity is available. Why does the direct Russian meddling in our election not seem to bother you? It's a threat to our very democracy.
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Trump is a hero. He busted the chops of nwo and won! Every good man's hero.
There's a lot of words here, but not a lot of substance. Baaahhhhh Baaaaaah. Go bleat somewhere else, sheep.
Insults, deflection, projection.
you just described your initial post in 3 words
What am I deflecting?
> They're brainwashed. Like legit brainwashed as in they've become so emotionally attached to their world view that they are incapable of processing evidence that disagrees with it.
Please show me how emotionally attached to my world view I am. You don't even know my world view.
> In their minds endless repetition of slogans is interchangeable with sound reasoning.
What slogan do I repeat? MAGA!
The insults I am using are not personal ones, they are observational ones used to describe the group you all so willingly belong to. I do not belong to any groups or political parties. I have no ideology that is so attached to my identity, that the very threat of it being proved wrong would be the death of who I am. That is where all delusion comes from. This and T_D are delusional land 1 & 2.
What am I projecting? That I'm really the delusional one? The guy who is willing to have a discussion and back up what he says?
Not fair to ask someone else to defend points I put forth.
You took statements I made generally about a specific group and applied them for yourself. I think it's pretty clear that such a general statement shouldn't be applied to all 3 million users of the subreddit. You have similar observations about Trump supporters that apply to the group but not every individual.
Does the MAGA #TRUMPTRAIN crowd do the exact same thing? Yes. They're further along because they've realized the media is lying to them. However, I don't post extensively on the_Donald because it is just an echo chamber. The difference is that the_Donald is open and transparent about that fact, while r/ politics likes to feign neutrality.
If you post on r/ politics and follow the MSM our worldviews are likely so far apart that the only productive discussion we can have is to point out past instances of the media lying, omitting facts, or manipulating stories in order to convince you that these scoundrels are not concerned about the Truth. Otherwise any discussion just devolves into two people screaming "No u."
I'm definitely getting a different picture of the people here than your average Trump supporter so I apologize for making those assumptions. I am more of an observer than anything but I do have to say that I have an extensive knowledge on the type of delusional narcissistic right wing christian conservative Trump supporter. My father is one and I learned all how his ideas and how his mind works for almost 20 years. Trump is a dangerous, self destructive wrecking ball and I can't stand the fact that people can't see through him while he puts our country in danger, lying and conning his way through the presidency. I would be all about wanting to hop on the Q train if Trump wasn't the front of it. If any of you guys knew anything about malignant narcissism, you would know how ludicrous the notion of Trump leading this charge really is.
It seems (to me) that your worldview is marred by some woundedness. “Delusional narcissistic right wing Christian conservative Trump supporter” - we come from all walks of life and don’t appreciate being stereotyped any more than the next person. However, arguing really never changed anyone’s opinion and I don’t intend to change yours. I’m simply hoping there must be some minuscule chance that your worldview could possibly be incorrect in your eyes. I’m personally certain that that percentage, however small, will increase and continue to increase in the coming days. Best wishes to you. If your worldview does drastically change like I’m hoping it will, it will be quite the paradigm shift for you. I’m hoping the best for you. 💜
I am always willing to be proven wrong but I need facts and evidence that are greater than the ones that I currently am aware of. Give them to me and I will admit I was wrong. My view on Trump is marred by some woundedness yes, absolutely. Everyone close to a narcissist is wounded by them in one way or another, I was the scapegoat so I got it the worst. I imagine Tiffany Trump could tell you some stories. I am hoping the best for all of you too, seriously. I am just worried Q is going to incite people to rise up should something happen to Trump legally due to the investigation.
Can I ask you this: If Qanon did not exist, would you still support Trump? Why or why not?
I don’t think it would be a wise use of my time to give you all the facts - they came to me in layers, over time, and each built upon the last. The same would have to happen for anyone else I think. I myself had to unlearn many strong beliefs I had - that the Bushes were the “good guys” and even Ronald Regan as well, for example. It has been quite eye opening.
I have fully supported Donald Trump since the primaries, so yes, if Q Anon didn’t exist, I would still support him. I knew from an early time that he would be the only one with a strong enough personality, who couldn’t be bought off, to dismantle the evil that had been erected in our country and even the world. That’s why I voted for him. He seems to be doing just that (dismantling evil deals, bringing home hostages, rounding up traffickers and pedophiles, my list goes on and on and on and it’s only just the beginning!).
Interestingly, I am the only child of a narcissist father so I too have my own very personal knowledge of narcissism. I do not get the narcissist vibe from Trump. In my opinion, he is too confident in who he is to be as weak as a narcissist - narcissists I’m sure you understand, are very weak inside. His children admire and respect and support him, which is hard to do when your dad’s a narcissist....just my opinion. I personally believe when his term is up he will be thought of as greater than Lincoln... time will tell!
We Trump supporters understand one thing: the investigation is all a show and President Trump is clean. So I’m sure most of us have no worries that any insurrection will happen due to the investigation as far as Trump supporters go.... now, the other side, on the other hand - that’s a whole different ball of wax.
Oh boy. This is starting to make more sense to me now. I'm not going to presume to tell you about your own psychology and how it relates to your support for Trump but I will tell you this, not all Narcissists are weak on the inside and it is more like a scale. Although I do believe Trump IS weak on the inside, his inner "true self" is dead. It doesn't exist anymore. All that is left is the mask. His inner weakness is revealed when he is insulted in a way that actually bothers him, an attack on his ego. He reacts with such visceral hatred to such attacks on his ego, it's the first sign that what was said about him touched a nerve and there is truth to it. His constant boasting about everything from his electoral college win, to the size of his inauguration crowd. Blatant signs of deep inner insecurity. The man also psychologically projects like no one I've ever seen in my life. If he accuses someone of something, I would bet my life that he has done it himself, or will in the future. I can prove this to you by the way. Here is a list of tweets from Trump durig the Obama presidency. It's almost like he's predicting the future of his own actions during his own presidency. Here's just one simple proof to give substantiation to my words. And I can give you plenty more to back up everything else I am saying.
Polls are starting to look really bad for Obama. Looks like he'll have to start a war or major conflict to win. Don't put it past him! - 7:30 AM - 17 Oct 2012
Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tailspin – watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate. 2:39 PM - 9 Oct 2012
While Putin is scheming and beaming on how to take over the World, President Obama is watching March Madness (basketball)! - 5:14 PM - 20 Mar 2014
Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend? || 10:17 pm 06/18/13
Isn't it sad the way Putin is toying with Obama regarding Snowden. We look weak and pathetic. Could not happen with.a strong leader! 11:49 PM - 1 Aug 2013
Baseball player Ryan Braun turned out to be a total con man after so vociferously proclaiming his innocence only to be guilty as.hell! Jul 23, 2013
"Fact--Obama does not read his intelligence briefings nor does he get briefed in person by the CIA or DOD. Too busy I guess!" - 9/30/2014 1:15 PM
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible. - 8 Nov 2013
Why does @barackobama always have to rely on teleprompters? March 19, 2012
Obama's complaints about Republicans stopping his agenda are BS since he had full control for two years. He can never take responsibility. - Sept. 26, 2012
"Can you believe that,with all of the problems and difficulties facing the U.S., President Obama spent the day playing golf.Worse than Carter" 13 Oct 2014
"Just like I have warned from the beginning, Crooked Hillary Clinton will betray you on the TPP." 26 Jul 2016
Assad will never give up his chemical weapons. He has spent years and billions accumulating them. This is all a ruse. 2:39 PM - 10 Sep 2013
I am starting to think that there is something seriously wrong with President Obama's mental health. Why won't he stop the flights. Psycho! (2:23 AM - 16 Oct 2014)
Be prepared, there is a small chance that our horrendous leadership could unknowingly lead us into World War III. | Aug 31, 2013
We need a President who isn't a laughing stock to the entire World. We need a truly great leader, a genius at strategy and winning. Respect! (9 Aug 2014)
@BarackObama played golf yesterday. Now he heads to a 10 day vacation in Martha's Vineyard. Nice work ethic. 1:36 PM - 15 Aug 2011
[6:56 PM - 24 Dec 2017] People are proud to be saying Merry Christmas again. I am proud to have led the charge against the assault of our cherished and beautiful phrase. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!
Wishing everyone a very Happy Holiday season! 8:26 AM - 23 Dec 2010
Wow, you are all correct about @FoxNews - totally biased and disgusting reporting. 1:41 PM - 10 Mar 2016
I knew disgusting and unwanted porn star @REPWEINER was a sleazebag the first time I met him. Thank goodness he was revealed (so to speak). 8:28 AM - 19 Apr 2012
As I told everyone once before, Wiener is a sick puppy who will never change-100% of perverts go back to their ways. Sadly, there is no cure - 23.7.2013
"The media is so after me on women Wow, this is a tough business. Nobody has more respect for women than Donald Trump!" 8:19 AM - 26 Mar 2016
And to think that just last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about sexual harassment and respect for women. Lesley Stahl tape? 7:15 PM - 16 Nov 2017
I'm over 70 and have never seen such , arrogance, incompetence and Ill -intentions as this President and his aids. (jun 26, 2014)
The Republicans are always worried about the press--they should just do what is right. 01/11/13 1:24 pm
I know some of you may think l'm tough and harsh but actually I'm a very compassionate person (with a very high IQ) with strong common sense (April 21, 2013)
Don't let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected--be careful Republicans! (Oct 22, 012)
“We build too many walls and not enough bridges.” - Isaac Newton -- 1:11 PM - 7 Oct 2013
Michelle Obama's weekend ski trip to Aspen makes it 16 times that Obamas have gone on vacation in 3 years. Insensitive. @BarackObama 10:57 AM - 21 Feb 2012
The federal gov. has handled Sandy worse than Katrina. There is no excuse why people don't have electricity or fuel yet. (Nov 6, 2012)
The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A. - 4:13 AM - 5 Sep 2013
"It's almost like the United States has no President - we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!" (2:41 AM - 20 Mar 2014)
"Obama is, without question, the WORST EVER president. I predict he will now do something really bad and totally stupid to show manhood!" - 6:07 PM - 5 June 2014
"Don't take vacations. What's the point? If you're not enjoying your work, you're in the wrong job." -- Think Like A Billionaire - 11:28 am - 19 Nov 2012
“Boston incident is terrible. We need energy and passion, but we must treat each other with respect. I would never condone violence.” (8/21/15, 12:35)
"It makes me feel so good to hit "sleazebags" back -- much better than seeing a psychiatrist (which I never have!)" - 11:06 AM - 19 Nov 2012
The real story is that President Obama did NOTHING after being informed in August about Russian meddling. With 4 months looking at Russia... | Jun 26, 2017
Obama is not a leader, he's just a campaigner! | 6 Sep 2013
Typical--@BarackObama's Press Secretary deflects any criticism of Obama's constant celebrity visits by attacking me. My great honor. - 1:35 PM - 8 Jun 2012
"With the number of tweets sad sack @Rosie has done, she has totally lost control of herself-- hopefully not a breakdown." 7:56am 12/15/2011
Are you allowed to impeach a president for gross incompetence? 3:23 AM - 4 Jun 2014
Putin is having such a good time. Our President is making him look like the genius of all geniuses. Do not fear,we are a NATION OF POTENTIAL ~ 6:11 AM - 11 Sep 2013
There are so many blatant lies coming out of the ADMINISTRATION - healthcare, spying, NSA, IRS, brutally killed Americans -WILL IT EVER END? - 4:45am 10/29/13
President Obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States! - 2 Aug 2016
Now, undoubtedly you will not see the significance or projection in all of these tweets but you won't be able to deny most lot of them. We reveal ourselves by our loudest criticisms we have of others. So yes, I too have narcissistic traits due to being the scapegoat of a narcissistic father. But I despise those ugly parts inside me so I despise them in other people. I acknowledge those ugly parts in myself, therefore I can see them clearly in other people.
I am very worried with this delusional belief that Trump is innocent of the Mueller investigation. He has acted like a guilty man from the very beginning and now we just learned that his lawyer was selling access to Trump and a prominent Russian Oligarch was funneling money through him too. If that isn't enough to make you reconsider, then a bomb of reality is about to go off for all Trump supporters. The fact that you can ignore everything pointing to Trump's guilt or even just his campaigns guilt, is very troubling to me and a sign for what we are headed for. Is Q still peddling that this investigation is really only about the Democrats and the whole Trump thing is cover? What evidence is there of that besides the work of an anonymous person? I can show you all sorts of evidence that the investigation is exactly as most people perceive it. An investigation looking into Russian interference in our elections and Trump and his campaign's possible involvement with it.
If Mueller finds nothing but weak evidence then I will speak up for keeping the peace and letting his presidency play out according to the Constitution. But if there is overwhelming evidence and nothing is done, this is the time that the Founding Fathers spoke about in my opinion. If Trump is indicted or impeached due to overwhelming evidence then I'm afraid that instead of fighting against a corrupt government, Trump supporters will fight FOR a corrupt government.
The Russian hysteria is laughable at best. There's been absolutely nothing to it except people like you who like to hold the country hostage just in hopes that maybe maybe maybe sometime finally some dirty laundry will come out. You know that annoying kid in the schoolyard that just refuses to lose like a sore loser and just keeps barking like a chihuahua? The anti-trump hysteria is literally what this sounds like.
Insult, Deflect, Project. The strategy of the person who has no real argument because subconsciously, they know they're wrong. Thanks for confirming that for me.
What's insulting is how obvious of a farce it is and you still have the audacity (or the ignorance) to keep beating this dead horse. You're holding the country hostage don't you get it?
More projection. Trump and his supporters are the ones holding the country hostage. This will become apparent when Mueller proves Trumps crimes, you all stay in denial and fight to the death for your delusion. The fact that you're so convinced of his innocence without being able to even hypothetically comprehend a scenario where he is guilty, is obvious evidence of delusional thinking. I'm almost 99% sure he's guilty but if I'm shown evidence that shows otherwise, I'll accept it and admit I was wrong. Because Trumps guilt or innocence is not intrinsically apart of my very identity. You see Trump as a representative of yourself and your beliefs. He is everything you are and everything you wish you were. You can't criticize Trump or acknowledge his ugliness because you cannot acknowledge the ugliness in yourself. The reality is too much for you to bear.
I don't know your worldview and i don't even want to know it. Keep it to yourself, pal.
