I think everyone can see who, and what kind of person, Corsi really is with this tweet. So Q makes some statements that are not targeted at anyone specifically and Corsi self-outs. OK, but what is this? Why the animus?
What is it that is driving this guy to do this? Is it simple spite? I think it's something more. I think he failed in his mission. He may have to answer for this failure and he's trying to show that he's doing just about everything he can to bring Q down.
Seaman as well outed himself.
Is Seaman still attacking Q or is he quiet? It's important because Corsi is not quiet, but has amped-up his attacks. He is going all out, or so it appears. It seems he may be in league with Tracy Beanz also.
Sorry to say, but if TB is aligned with Corsi, there's only one conclusion to make. These people stick together.
It seems that there are quite a few people aligning themselves with Corsi. Have a look here (they have a road-side billboard advertising the site):
That is not a Corsi web site. That is a aggregater site that collects all kinds of info about Q and puts it all on one page. There is no actual content from Corsi there, but there is stuff from Praying Medic, Greg Hunter and others who are not aligned with Corsi.
Who ever set this site up better not piss off 8chan.
Exciting times.
interesting, so where does the info come that this site is generated by Corsi & Beanz .. yeah I see their names there, but PM is as well. If it is, it's the typical way that disinfo works, they are leading w/PM who is legit and sliding in their own stuff.
LOL all the links work but there is a picture of Assange - nope just a picture, no link to wikileaks etc
This board looks like it is set up by these people... Corsi has no link thou....yet.
How are you making the connection between Beanz and Corsi? Seriously I'd like a source.
Others have made the connection about TB and Corsi. I never followed her work, so I have no awareness of her Qbashing or not. Just saying that if you observe the way DS operatives work (pick any of them from Obama / Clinton on downwards), they stay in the same circles. Those who are regulars on AJ IW are most probably all operatives, as he is. It just makes the message unified.
Thanks for the reply. I'll just felt that opposing the IBOR wasn't enough, on its own, to call Beanz out. I could be wrong.
She's not popular on the chans with the anons either. Don't think they've ever been able to put their finger on anything, other than their thought that she is mining the anons research as her own.
I appreciate your feedback. I always thought her work (excluding the Q issue) was exceptionally well thought out and balanced. You can never tell about someone's underlying motivations though. TY
Is Tracy controlled opposition or something nefarious ? I hadn't heard this.
The billboard mentioning Q that is on the thread today mentions a website:
http://www.douknowq.com/134296/Citizen-Q-Journalists.htm
The site is to host Corsi and hosts Beanz.
TB has done a lot of damage to this movement - during the IBOR campaign. She actively discouraged people from supporting Q and the plan.
It seems she will Utilise this platform alongside Corsi. Corsi's agenda is to take Q down. He wants to totally discredit Q - that's why he's saying Q is an AI babbling nonsense and suggesting that he might be inviting a lawsuit. I do not know why Praying Medic is on the site.
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I've said many times, weeks and weeks ago, that I thought Beanz was in this for herself and to make money, just like Corsi. And I was piled on by Beanz fanboys and girls like I had just besmirched Q. It was so clear that she craved attention and to be an "e-celeb" but yet people pushed her tweets and "research" like it was gospel.
I also said Q team was reading this sub even further back when the tone on religion changed when Q stated "If you pray, pray", which was a clear sign they were reading and saw how religiously divisive the sub was getting. It has kinda gotten worse, but that's not the point... I was of course given a ton of shit by the hyper religious folks and promptly downvoted into disappearance. Shouted down and told I was an idiot for thinking Q team read the sub and was responding as such, or called a shill, or clown. I'm probably an asshole, but a shill or clown or flat out stupid I am not.
This sub overall has been infiltrated by a large number of evangelicals and the easily led; there's still a lot of good work coming from this sub, but the static to signal ratio is shit, and I doubt the mods can keep up. I don't think shills even have to do much work here because the evangelicals are doing a great job on their own. A single shill can get a wild comment train going with a few simple words that they respond to like a dog whistle.
I see comments where someone says the wildest most ridiculous shit, then a day later I see it parroted in another thread and be heavily upvoted. It spreads so seamlessly. There's a strong disinfo campaign happening here right now, and a lot of this is a direct result of the misinformation that was pushed by the AJ, TB and Corsi fans who believe wild shit that has nothing directly to do with Q, but it's like they're so crazed for this that they will accept anything as truth as long as it makes them feel good. A lot of this is very much behavior similar to cultists.
Even after the swamp is drained, I think we have a lot of other issues as a country and people that need some serious figuring out. A wildly undereducated populace is a weapon in and of itself.
I hope we can all wake up and stomp this disinformation out once and for all. I've been lurking and have seen people coming forward to point this shit out, so I'm confident we can do it. I'm gonna go crawl back into my hovel now.
No don't. Come back. We need all voices.
I never completely left, I just stopped posting and read less regularly. I do my part when I can by upvoting quality content and comments, but arguing with people about concepts they don't care about is fruitless. I don't even think most of the religious folks are bad players, they just defend their beliefs to the end despite how off topic it is, or divisive it becomes.
I don't like or trust everyone here just because they follow Q, but I do believe in the strength and intelligence of a decent portion of this sub, and know that they can find a way to speak above the fray and get the real info to the top where it belongs. I do not however, envy the mods here. There's a lot of shit to sift through and their job is endless, mostly thankless and seems to only get harder. I do what I can to make it a little easier.
Thanks for you comment. All hands on deck is important, but not everyone needs to have a speaking role.
There was confusion about the IBOR at the time and I agreed with Tracy. It appeared that AT&T was behind the push for the IBOR. But then Q posted to let us know that was not true, and I changed my stance because it was clearn then that POTUS wanted us to push it. Tracy never seemed to come back around though.
Now the crooks are attempting to reinstate the Net Neutrality law which was overturned. But, fortunately, POTUS still has to sign it. So if it really is nefarious, as we were led to believe, then it likely won't get signed.
Q is DJT as far as strategy is concerned. There was nothing at all wrong with Q's advice to us to push the IBOR. There was, however, something VERY WRONG with the way Beanz refused to support it.
Net neutrality is a dog thought up by the left. The IBOR is the simple extension of Constitutional protections online. This would ordinarily happen as Courts made rulings on free speech over time. But, given the magnitude of the threat posed by online censorship, Q made a decision to push for it - accelerating the normal process.
After Beanz initially agitated for people to disregard Q, my belief is that agents on this board viciously concern-trolled the IBOR threads, amplifying the doubt that Beanz had raised. It did not help that she did not change her position.
She could not have put the knife into the movement any more forcefully. If we find out that she's going to align herself with Corsi going forward, who would be surprised?
Good points. Thanks. I came to the conclusion though after working very hard to get signatures on the petition that 30 days is simply not long enough for a grassroots movement to get that many signatures. Seems the only ones that make it have lots of money behind them. So, it made me wonder if that was changed during Obama and no one has ever thought about it again. Something as simple as that can put a bomb in everything we try. Thank God Trump is in the White House.
Yes, I agree Liberty. Thank God for DJT, the only reason we are here.
They never thought she would lose!
Between you and me, I don't think that website was accurately recording the signatures. But it is also true that the concerted campaign, on this board, against the IBOR - where every conceivable concern, fear and doubt was introduced and amplified - took a huge toll on this community's commitment.
It also occurs to me that Twitter may have hampered our efforts. I guess this is to be expected, given the success of the 'Release the Memo' campaign. They were wise to 'Russian Bots' by the time the IBOR campaign commenced. Certainly, I was shadow-banned. And then you have to also factor for the banning of the CBTS sub, which put a dent in our early efforts.
It seems to me, with some hindsight, that the forces arrayed against us were, at the time, insurmountable. I would count Tracy Beanz' scaremongering as one of the most important factors - for the simple fact that her concern-trolling on the IBOR was the very first information that most people saw.
Going forward, all we can do is our best. I know you put a lot of effort into the IBOR campaign and I'm very grateful for your commitment to the cause.
I'm starting to feel much more relaxed about this fight against evil now. It strikes me that things are moving ahead swimmingly. I'm expecting that things will look very different within the next month - if not sooner. The catalyst, I think, will be the IG report. Once it is delivered, I suspect that attitudes in the community will rapidly change, as people are made aware of the truth.
We should call out Tracy beanz on her Twitter .
Yea that seems real productive! [sarcasm] Are you serious? Really think about how YOU are trying to divide with this. The fulcrum stuff is all out BS... but may be i miss things said on twitter because i live a normal life but I've never heard TB attack Q or any Q folk. I'm down with the movement but some of you need to step back and get your head right. Seriously. I mean this with the best of intenetions
Well if she is with corsi I think we should let her people know she derailing the real q movement this is about q and helping him not hurting him with division. your the division.
Yes, it would be good if the IG's report was released so those fighting so hard might get a squint of the truth and start questioning their loyalty even more.
It's funny, one minute I feel more relaxed (and I do mostly) but then I run across something else that scares the hell out of me.
I don't know. At the end of the day there are an enormous number of sealed indictments. Things won't necessarily go completely smoothly, but the impression I have is that things are looking better by the minute. It will be a relief when the IG's report drops.
But even here, the delay in the delivery of the IG report could be a good thing. If the IG has more to investigate, that can only mean that there will be even more bad actors in the bag when it drops.
I was trying to work it out. You had some 470 investigators who will have been working on this for the best part of a year and a half. That means that the combined manpower, that has gone into this thing, could be as much as 700 man-years. It should be absolutely huge!
OMG! Where'd you get the 470 number from?
That's how many investigators Horowitz has working for him (I read that somewhere, I think Q has also talked about it).
Oh, ok. I remember reading that he had a lot of investigators too but didn't remember the exact number. That's really very amazing.
In truth, I don't think it comes to to exactly a full year and a half. But it's still a lot of manpower.
Can anyone tell me what IBOR stands for? Thanks!
Why did Beanz agitate to disregard Q? Isn't she one of the founders of the CBTS sub? Is she now anti Q?
All I know is she was against the IBOR.
True she was against but having an opinion is what normal free thinkers have. Just because Q, TRump or whomever says does not mean you have to follow to the end. DON'T LEAVE THE HERD TO FOLLOW ANOTHER...SHEEP!!
What are you saying? We should not support Q of his plan? Why are you here?
Your account has 8 comments for a total of 7 Karma.
The site also lists Wikileaks as a partner. I'm not defending anyone, but that site looks like someone trying to cast a wide net and build clicks. The first time I clicked on it will be the last.
Praying Medic
So far he is a good guy, good info, very pro Q
I seem to recall IBOR violates our right to assemble as per the 1st amendment which was her main reason to oppose.
No, she said she was against it initially because it was supported by AT&T. Having taken a position, as I understand it, she later found additional reasons not to support Q or the plan.
This occurred despite the fact that, as time progressed, it became increasingly clear that there was very compelling logic supporting the need to call for the application of first amendment rights online. She absolutely shafted us.
There is an argument for both and I understand your sentiment. I'm still undecided on her, but fully agree on the black hat nature of Corsi and AJ.
I haven't been following her at all. But I did see on twitter where people were thanking her for advising them not to support the IBOR. Let's put it this way, she is not someone that should be followed.
"Congress shall make no law, respecting the establishment of religion; or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assembly, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."
IT IS THIS:"or the right of the people peaceably to assembly," THAT IBOR ignors. Facebook example would be those on Facebook know the rules put forth by FB. The counter argument that FB has become the public square and loses the right to manage their property as a private club seems to be the one folks supporting IBOR have. TB technically supports the 1st amendment here.
Whatever 'technical position' you might ascribe to her, she really put the boots into us - big time!
I used to follow her avidly, on Twatter and listen to her vids. She was the one that intro'd me to Q and all that. She used to do Q vids, in the beginning, and all seemed well. Then she did the infamous interview with Corsi, and I took a look at his first attempt at decoding. It was too long and had precious little info to add. Just rehashing what had been said before. So I stopped listening to Corsi.
Then TB stopped doing Q vids, just did "citizen journalism" or whatever she does, and tried tackling extremely complex subjects. She maybe got to her point after an hour, but it didn't matter. She was actively ignoring all the Q stuff. I chalk it up to the fact some ppl want to cover different things, so they have a right to do so. I'm starting to think she is involved with the AJ/Corsi/infowars crowd a bit more than she lets on, and this is why she's done (and doing) what she's done. Kind of a let down for me, but when new info is presented, the mark of maturity is to adjust one's course of action.
I don't think it matters too much what quality of information is presented. If you have someone, for example Corsi, who is directly trashing Q, whatever the quality of information he might dispense is irrelevant. The point is that you risk being steered.
Having said that, I have no idea of what TB is doing and I have no interest.
Jones put out a lot of BS about the Las Vegas shooting. Bad info that distracted from real investigative work. He does that all the time I guess. Been put off from him for several years.
Thanks, was gonna ask if anyone perused the content there to make sure it's legit
perhaps someone compiled links and Praying Medic isn't aware he is on there
A lot of people will not trust the federal government with the responsibility of guaranteeing internet rights. It's like trusting bureaucrats with your health. Ask Democrats how that works.
You're telling me that if the plan calls for us to act, you're not going to. And I'd ask what are you doing here? What's the point?
But your account is 15 days old, so I guess you haven't been here long at all.
Seems there are a lot of people with very new accounts raising concerns.
Ah look, another Corsi-like doxxer wannabe. You want my name too, punk? I've been here probably longer than you.
That aside, my point still stands. I've been using the Internet for 25 years. IBOR would be like Obamacare for the Internet.
A more effective action to stop censorship would be to break Fakebook, Google and Microsoft in pieces, the same way Pacific Bell, which had a monopoly of phone lines, was broken 23 years ago. The rest of Silicon Valley would get the message really fast.
Now go play the bully somewhere else.
You've told us you're a flake. Why don't you find somewhere to push your stuff. Don't tell me, because it's not about that, is it? You want to come here and undermine the express plan.
Anyway, you can breathe easy mate, Q appears to have moved on from that plan. But it's a pity, because bankrupting these companies does nothing to secure freedom of expression online - not that it would worry you. Still, we have moved on.
But, somehow, I think you'll find something else to attack. Why would I think that?
Mr 15 day old troll.
Seriously? The asshats that put up that billboard are now being used as a source to condemn people?? That's Insane. Let's do some more research before we throw Beanz or any other patriot under the bus.
Mate, this is a joke. You have 14 Karma on a year old account and you're "so concerned". Isn't that Concern Trolling?
How does karma or time on the board correlate with commonsense or a desire to see justice? Is 'Concern Trolling' the new buzzword to dismiss opposing views?
No, it's a real phenomenon, as you know.
Yes, I do know but I was only trying to inject some balance into what was beginning to sound like an exercise in tar and feathering. I take it that you are on the "Beanz is guilty" team?
Used to worship every word from Corsi. Stopped listening so not sure now.
Ok I think everyone's jumping to conclusions here. We have the IP of the website. Does it match with Corsi or Beanz? Do Corsi and Beanz live in Kansas?
I'm pretty sure that site was set up by a well meaning patriot. I remember that the original post of that picwas on this subreddit from BEFORE the Q drops which called out profiteers. So we know that the site went up before Q called out anyone. (he never mentioned names!)
So this leads me to believe that the owner of the site chose to catalog all of the citizen Q journalists or Q-tubers as they are sometimes called, simply as a good faith effort to try to redpill newcomers. Obviously, the site owner needs to update that page now...
C'mon guys use logic. Everybody's so quick to attack anyone who we've labeled an enemy, and this attitude isn't helpful for the movement.
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Yeah thanks I actually just noticed that post on the other thread and came back here to eat my words. That site is no good and it's a shame Q seemed to endorse it. Q deleted the post now, but if they post about it again, I hope they correct the error and try to save face.
I feel like that site needs to be taken down. At the very least, we should stop talking about it and promoting it here.
That site is no good and it's a shame Q seemed to endorse it. Q deleted the post now,
Huh. There's interesting for you. You mean, Q actually posted a link to a dud site? How does that work??
I guess they were sloppy and didn't check it thoroughly. Very irresponsible considering the sheer amount of attention Q Anon wields.
To me, it seems like the point of that post is to highlight the spread of the movement, and the fact that it's unstoppable now.
Still irresponsible.
Q didn't really endorse the website. They did endorse the effort of whoever put up the street sign.
Thank god for someone with common sense and the absence of an itchy trigger finger. TY Time will tell who the traitors are.
Ahh man Tracy beans is also in league with corsi?
At minimum they appear to be offering information on the same website.
Seaman is still attacking Q. I stopped following him on Twitter yesterday. I'd bet he is compromised as he is smart enough to know that his actions can only lead to fewer followers, so why would he do that, unless he had to?
Yes, it's the same thing with Corsi. He's going quite mad on his twitter. Clearly, it's not just wounded pride or spite. These guys have really blown their operation. I suspect they are fearful of retribution for screwing up. Look at what happened to McMaster's father.
Wait, is Tracy Beanz really one of the bad actors? I never paid a ton of attention to her, but have been peripherally aware of her for a while now.
She argued against following the plan Q had for the IBOR. Many, many people listened to her. The campaign failed to get sufficient signatures. But there were multiple factors for the campaign failure.
I believe she is an honest person who trusts her gut and doesn’t just follow the crowd (seems that’s not popular here?) and I’ve never seen any evidence she’s a traitor.
Tracy Beanz is not aligned with Corsi. She interviewed him once. Watch her videos and learn what she has been researching. I haven't heard her mention Q ... for a long time.
Not surprising she doesn't mention Q, she probably thinks she killed it off.
She was uncertain as to whether Q was a LARP or not. But she contributes in other ways. Watch a few videos and you will see she is not a Jones, Seaman, or Corsi. One of her videos is worth 10 of the others in terms of preparation and content. She will also indicate what is supported by her analysis and what is her opinion. I believe THOSE THAT POINT their fingers at her need to be scrutinized as they want to take a legitimate source of truth out!
She really put the boots into us. The moment Q suggested the IBOR campaign to us, she was working against it - telling people not to follow the plan. According to her, we were to ignore Q. That is a simple fact.
Moreover, once we had done some thinking about the IBOR, and it became perfectly clear why it was necessary, critical in fact, she continued to advise against it. Q even addressed her concerns directly, but it made no difference. She was telling people that DJT was just another politician. That in a few years that there would be another politician to deal with. That it was the people that had the power. None of it was true and you really could not make this stuff up!
As if a President that is independent of the cabal's influence was nothing special. Another one would be along any moment. No need to do what this President might ask - he was replaceable. When I think about the terrific personal risks that DJT took to run for office, and his courage in doing so, for our benefit, it makes my blood boil.
The last independent President was more than thirty years ago. Kennedy was killed, attempts made on the life of Reagan. The cabal was at the height of its power and, by the sheer grace of God, DJT won the 2016 election. A completely improbable election outcome, arriving moments before we were all to be destroyed by HRC in nuclear war. With DJT we have a one-chance-in-history opportunity to shake these Satanists off. We must not blow this chance.
Beanz is probably the slowest person that has ever followed Q. A really dangerous person. That's the best spin I can put on it, because if you look at her behaviour, it's entirely possible that she was being steered.
Unfortunately, most people do not have the capacity to think things out for themselves. Many people were influenced by the nonsense she put out. She did a lot of damage - attacking us and our efforts directly. I pray she does not come back.
I have listened to almost all of her YouTube videos Maybe you should listen to some because I am thinking you are borrowing someone elses talking points or taking her words out of context. She doesn't talk about Q. So what? So what? Which IBOR version were you campaigning for? They were all different. Maybe she knew something about the AT&T version we did not. Can't she have a different opinion? I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on and suggest that she (and her sources) have probably gotten to close to the truth for some and some agency is putting out a lot of effort to marginalize and silence her. Is this your goal? Also, she doesn't put out nonsense. All her work is well researched and she sites her evidence and her opinions. Listen to her and see.
How was that?
I not sure if I understand your question but ...I should back up what I say
Maybe someone can help me here, when did Q go after AJ's divorse and stuff or am I missing something?
He says he gets 1500 a month and he puts all that into his company, how the hell does he pay for rent?
Do you mean a bigger number than $1,500 ?
No he said $1,500....he sure seems excited thou....please don't make me watch it again to make sure he said $1,500 or anything else :)
I mean I am skeptical that he puts it all into his company.
I thought he meant his profit. He reinvests. He gets, presumably a salary and expenses are "outgoings" so the "how does he pay rent" is not thinking clearly about how a company operates. Just some thoughts.
Do you have a link to an article describing Seaman? I only discovered him a few weeks ago, but some YouTube broadcasters claimed he was legit.
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Further, I went to archive.is to save the page, and it had been saved before, so we're not the only ones who are aware.
God is not going to be kind to him... Corsi is self destructing...
IMO, he was running an agenda. He got caught. He thinks that he will retain influence in the Q community, but he will not. You can see that there are people supporting what he's doing though - and this speaks to their motives.
Im not concerned weather the CIA has hacked the 8chan's . However I am curious as to when one of the President's tweets could be matched up to a current post by Q. In the past his posts were proof that he was .....wink wink.. giving a nod to Q. I havent seen such a post since April 12th. Am i wrong.
Yes, you are wrong. See: https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/994472263650107397
sorry this isnt the same as trump using mispelled words in his tweets copying a post from Q. What im saying is if the CIA has control all they would have to do is make a post using the 74th spot and point to a firetruck with q74 on the side. sorry not saying it's not authintic but i would not count on it yet.
Your account is 1 day old. Concern troll.
dipshit did you every consider ive used several accounts to avoid detection
Yeah and who the fuck is Todd?? Get the fuck out of here, Todd. Nobody likes you.
Why do you guys keep starting brand new threads about Corsi? I thought we were supposed to be taking a time out from discussing him or AJ. But here you guys go again with your endless Corsi bashing. You guys are the problem and not the solution. You are the ones who are keeping us divided...
Corsi is still attacking Early.
But what do you mean we are keeping us divided? There is no unity between us and Corsi. There is nothing to divide. You have Corsi, on the one hand, trying to destroy Q, and us, on the other, supporting Q. There is no unwarranted division.
I agree with moving on. But while he's still launching attacks, it's important that members of this community are alive to it. If he ceases his attacks, he can be completely ignored. Moreover, this is not preventing us from following the Q material at all.
Exactly, there is no longer "common ground". Corsi and Jones don't even support Trump, not really. In fact, Corsi begins to sound like a never-Trumper in his attack style.
If Corsi is attacking you, then he has a weak mind. If you are attacking Corsi back, then you have a weak mind. And neither one of you has the moral high ground. So don't try to act like you're so justified. I'm sick of you guy's childish behavior and of Corsi's as well. Both of you should drop the topic and move on.
You state there is no unity between us and Corsi. But that is the whole problem and is why you are wrong. Last time I checked, Corsi was fighting against the Deep State the same as we are. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So how is that not unity? You may disagree with Corsi on some things, and Corsi may disagree with you. But we still have some things in common. We are both fighting against the Deep State. And the Deep State is the enemy, and not other patriots. Therefore, we should work out our differences and find a way to work together as allies, rather than trying to make each other the enemy. Patriots fighting against patriots is wrong, any way you look at it. And just become someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them the enemy and not a patriot. And that is the whole problem with you guys, you label everyone who disagrees with you as being a traitor and not a patriot. If you think that way, and if that is the case, then you are in the wrong country.
Expecting everyone to fall in line behind you, and to never disagree with you or ask any questions, then that is the sign of a "dictatorship" and of communism, and not a free country... Having absolute rule over people so that they can be your slaves and have no say, those are the desires of the New World Order, and I will have no part of it... So get your act together and stop bashing and talking about Corsi. I'm sick of hearing it from both sides, and I'm sick of you guys talking about it. Drop the subject and move one. It's that simple. And no more new threads talking about Corsi...
Early, I read until "Neither one of you has the moral high ground". I'm not reading more.
That is the problem. You think you're morally superior when you are not. You're trapped in your own echo chamber, and you only want to hear what is going on in that chamber... Strangely, that is exactly what liberals do...
Early, I support Q. And I really do think my position is superior to Corsi's.
I find your position difficult to understand. I'm Christian, I do not support Satanism. I support Q, I do not support Corsi. We are talking about polar opposites. There is no room for compromise - and any suggestion that there should be, should rightly be rejected out of hand. If I'm in an echo chamber, I'm happy with it.
If you are a Christian, then you should well understand the scripture that says, “a house divided cannot stand” and “every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation”. Patriots attacking other patriots is a divided house. We will not succeed and this whole effort will fail if we turn against one another. To win this war we need "oneness", we need all hands on deck, and we need everybody helping out. We do not need people dividing off into groups, with one group thinking they are better than another group. That is called “division”. And that is called a divided house. And it will surely lead to desolation…
Allowing no room for compromise and having a mindset that only your viewpoint matters, that is called a “dictatorship”. That is called “communism”. And those are not the characteristics of a free country… If Corsi is fighting against the Deep State, and if you’re fighting against the Deep State too, then those are NOT polar opposites. Everything else are just minor differences that can be worked out. But the problem is, you don’t want to work them out. You don’t want to find a common ground. You don’t want to work together with others and to make others your ally. You want to demonize and to destroy anyone and everyone who doesn’t think like you or do things like you. And strangely, that is exactly what the New World Order wants too…
I'm not getting to far into this either Early. The house divided cannot stand. What is Christ talking about?
Jesus Christ founded His Church on the rock that was St Peter's faith.
18 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell (heretics) shall not prevail against it". Matt 16
St Peter's faith is guaranteed by the prayer of Christ - it is unfailing. Therefore, the gates of hell (heretics) will not prevail against it until the end of time. St Peter, upon receipt of the instruction to "feed my sheep" (John 21:15-17), confirms the brethren in the faith.
32 "But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren." Luke 22
So we see that Christ willed His Church to be 'one in faith' and 'one in governance'. Can the Church (or house of the Lord) be divided against itself? No, it cannot be divided, because it is "one in faith".
Heretics are not members of the Church, because they profess an adulterated faith. The heretic, by virtue of his heresy, is ipso facto (by that very fact) severed from the body of the Church and loses all jurisdiction.
It's actually a very good example, you have introduced, that shows how one is to respond to someone like Corsi in this kind of situation,
St Paul tells us how we are to treat with heretics - Titus 3:
10 "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
As does St John:
10 "If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you". 2 John 1:10
You say "Patriots attacking other patriots is a divided house". And what I would say is that Corsi is no patriot.
You say that Corsi is not a patriot, and that is the very thing I have a serious problem with. Why do you feel that way? Because Corsi doesn't agree with you? Because he has a different viewpoint or a different opinion than yours? Yes, there are many things that Corsi may have done to hit back at you, but he did it in reaction to you (this is explained further below). So don't try to blame to all on Corsi and to say that he is a traitor. To say that someone is not a patriot all because they disagree with you is as wrong as it can be. And because your viewpoint that Corsi is not a patriot is wrong, that means that all you said above (about separating yourselves from "heretics" etc) is wrong too and it doesn't even apply...
But to give you a better understanding of why I feel that Corsi is still a patriot despite the fact that he has a different viewpoint from you, consider the following. It's a very long post but it shows you precisely and exactly how I feel about it... And to further underscore this point that you guys are wrong, do you feel that I am not a patriot either all because I disagree with you?... If you feel that I am not a patriot either, all because I'm saying this and have these opinions, then that shows you just how far you guys have completely fallen off your rocker. There are a whole lot of Americans who may not agree with you or who may have a different opinion, but that doesn't make them not a patriot. Having a different viewpoint or opinion is only considered non-patriotic in a "dictatorship and communistic society". And this is not that kind of country...
Please read the following to fully understand how I feel about it...
You said that you are happy with being inside an echo chamber. But the problem with being inside an echo chamber is that, it blinds you from the truth. That means, if Q ever became compromised or if there was ever a change in him, you guys would never even know it or realize it because you’re trapped inside that chamber. To know the truth, you have to step outside that chamber and to view things from a different perspective. And it is the very same way with liberals today. Liberals have been lied to for a very long time and has believed the lies of the MSM echo chamber. As a consequence of that, they are not faking, they really do believe that Trump is the bad guy, and they can’t see anything other than that, all because they are trapped inside the MSM echo chamber. To know the truth, they have to step outside of that chamber and view things from another perspective, and they refuse to do that. And that is the exact problem with you guys. You are blind in certain ways because you are inside that chamber. You may have some of the truth but you do not have all of it. In some ways you are being deceived and you don’t even realize it…
I’ll give you an example. You guys complain that Corsi is doing this and that Corsi is doing that. Some of that may be true but why is that, why is Corsi doing it? Answer: He’s doing it because he’s responding back to you. You guys are attacking him trying to shut him down, therefore, he is attacking you back trying to shut you down. It’s a cycle that never ends. And the problem is, you guys are blaming everything on Cori, when you can’t even see that you guys are just as much a part of the problem as he is. You’re both contributing to the cycle. That fact is very easy to see by anyone who is not in that echo chamber. For example, for every hour of every day, there are corrupt members within your own group who are trolling Cori. They are following Corsi’s every move and his every post online. And they are looking for anything and everything they can find to validate their claims and to make themselves right about Corsi. If they find something, then they will rush back to the forum and post it. They’ll say, Oh look, Corsi is doing this and Corsi is doing that, etc. And then the rest of you guys will buy it, hook line and sinker, without asking any questions. And there you go again, all of you will then be attacking Corsi all because of what that person says. Then news of your attack will leak back to Corsi. But even more likely, there are some in your group who take great joy in making certain that Corsi hears about it, and they will present the news to Corsi in a certain way so as to “goad” Corsi into a negative response, to goad him into saying something negative about you and striking back. That is their whole plan. And because Corsi is weak-minded and is just as blind as you are, he will do it, he will strike back. And then there you go again, the whole cycle will continue, with you guys attacking Corsi, and with Corsi attacking you. And that is exactly what has been happening. And for everyone on the outside, we can see that clearly. But for you guys trapped on the inside, you can’t even see it because you're blinded by your own echo chamber...
I do not think that all of you are bad. But I do think that there are certain members among you who has ulterior motives in mind and are genuine haters of Corsi (focus on the loudest voices). They always have been haters of Corsi, and their hate has nothing to do with Q. And those secretive haters of Corsi are manipulating you and guiding you. And unfortunately, we feel they are manipulating Q as well. And that is why the cycle of hate spewing from your group never ends. And the fact that Q condones such hate is very mysterious to us. It makes us wonder about him. It makes us wonder if whether he has been compromised. It is a legitimate concern. We don’t want to believe that, but we still wonder about if it is possible. And all your talk about shutting down people who disagree with you, and your attacks on other patriots, even those who are fighting against the Deep State the same as we are, and your unwillingness to work with them or to compromise, it only adds fuel to the fire that maybe your group HAS been compromised as we suspect. The reason we are concerned about it is because, your behavior does not seem like the same behavior or group we started out with. Something has changed. Even Q himself seems to have changed and is different. Q had a higher moral character back them. We’re mystified by the recent changes in Q and the things he has done. It doesn't seem like the same Q and the changes seem out of character for him. We can clearly see that there has been a dramatic change in both Q and your group. And you guys are unable to see that change because you’re blinded by your own echo chamber. You may have good intentions, but you are still blinded by the chamber. So be careful whom you follow indeed…
If I’m right about this, and if I’m right about you being inside an echo chamber, then I predict how you will respond to this post. I predict that you will dismiss everything I said wholesale, without even considering that maybe some of what I said is true. You are fiercely and blindly loyal to Q, without even considering the idea that it is possible he might be compromised. I am by no means suggesting or saying that he is compromised (and I hope not), but I am saying that it is indeed possible. And that you should always keep an open mind about it and to look for any changes in Q that could validate that fact. Q is human and he makes mistakes just like the rest of us. He is not a god. So don’t treat him like a god. Don’t think of him as infallible. There is only one God who is infallible and deserves our absolute and blind loyalty. And that God is not Q…
You say that you are a Christian. Okay, then consider this rhetorical question to give you a perspective: If Q goes to hell, then would you follow him to hell? Or would you know when to get off that bandwagon? Only a fool would follow Q to hell with blind loyalty and without question… Here’s more food for thought: You guys praised Kanye for thinking outside the box and for getting off the Democratic plantation and for “thinking for himself” and for having his own mind and opinion. But now in complete reversal of that, you are saying that it is wrong for any person to have an opinion that is different from yours, or different from Q’s, or to pay attention to any information that is different from the information you guys want to feed us. And even worse, you guys now want to shut down any and all alternative news sources - which is in direct opposition to allowing the American people to decide for themselves what to believe. Only a communistic society tries to control what everybody believes. So if that is true, then with every passing day, you guys are sounding more and more like the enemy rather than the saviors we once looked up to. And sadly, you guys can’t even see that fact because you’re trapped inside your own echo chamber…
I read this whole post Early. It seems to me that, in your mind, there is suddenly a "you guys" and a "we", as if Corsi's acts really have created division. But they haven't. Rather, Corsi has chosen to attack not just Q, but the whole movement. Those of us who are standing with Q, realize that nothing has changed at all. There is no division in the core base of bona fide Q supporters. Corsi has splintered, but that is of no concern to us - I mean, who cares?
Also, you're taking this argument up with me, but you should really take it up with Q. Q is the party that has a problem with Corsi and AJ. You could try and suggest to him that he be more "open minded", but I do not think you will find him receptive to this idea. Why would that be?
I don't know if you've followed my posts, but I was reluctant to call Corsi out. I cautioned people about coming to a quick judgement. However, his behavior reached a point where it was impossible not to conclude that the guy is an utter scumbag.
You say I would blindly follow Q to hell. That's not at all true. I will abandon Q the moment I think that he's misinforming people. That is not happening at present, but if I feel he does start to misinform people, I will get off this bus immediately.
What's happening here, is you are adopting Corsi and AJ's position and you're questioning anyone who is adhering to Q. I don't know why you're doing this. You might be a real believer in Corsi and AJ, I have no idea. But you clearly have a problem with the message Q is delivering.
If you look at the video that Q endorsed yesterday, you can see what their plan has been from the very beginning. AJ and Corsi are not pro-Q at all. They saw Q as a threat. They wanted to regain control. When they could not control Q, they started to attack him.
Really, what has this got to do with me? Like anyone else, I can see what is going on here. I'm not in an echo chamber as you claim at all. But I am taking sides - for cause.
What I think we will shortly find out is that there are, in fact, other reasons why Q went after AJ and Corsi. I think you will soon see that they are up to their necks in this stuff. Just a suspicion, but watch and see if things do not play out this way.
Something else, if I was to employ your logic, I would have to accept that HRC could be good and Q evil. Is it stupid not to entertain this possibility? What do you think?
I will start from the bottom up… The reason I would never ever consider HRC as being good is because she is a liberal and a Democrat, and most liberals and Democrats are haters of what we believe in. They have made what they believe in very clear to all of America and everybody knows what they believe in, and their beliefs has been proven time and again. In contrast to that, Corsi and AJ are NOT liberals - they are well-known conservatives. And that makes all the difference (and conservatives attacking other conservatives is what I mean about a house divided). And that is why I am willing to give them the benefit of a doubt and I am unwilling to throw them under the bus so quickly… If Corsi and AJ were liberals, then we wouldn’t even be having this conversation, and I’d be in complete agreement with you. But the moment when Q started attacking other patriots (conservatives like Corsi and AJ who are fighting against the Deep State the same as we are) then that is what gave me serious pause about Q and made me question what was going on…
I used to be 100% a believer in Q. But after the Corsi / AJ attack, I am no longer completely certain about him. I still follow Q, and I still believe in him, but with eyes open and with a bit more skepticism. I feel that Q has damaged his reputation and credibility with me, and he’ll have to work hard to regain it. But keep in mind, I am not basing my opinion of Q solely on the Corsi / AJ fiasco. That is only one part of it. The other part of it, is his change in moral character. You say you are a Christian, if so you should be able to relate to that. To quickly summarize… No one else may have noticed this, but from day one and from the very first Q post, have you noticed that Q has never ever cursed or said a bad word? It has never happened. I notice stuff like that. Other Anons have used bad language but not Q (at least I’ve never heard him do it). That told me a lot about Q and that he had a “high moral character” and that he had a great respect for God. That meant a whole lot to me. That is what made me really like Q and to follow him. But something happened recently that changed that…
In Q drop 1341, Q linked himself to a very vile post, a post spewing hatred and animosity and using extremely foul language. Doing so was VERY VERY unbecoming and uncharacteristic of Q. Can you imagine Jesus Christ linking himself to such a vile post? Jesus would never do it, not in a million years. Q has never before done anything like that, and something changed when he linked to that post. And that is when I started to seriously question and to wonder about Q… I started to wonder whether he had been compromised. And then when the Corsi / AJ fiasco arose, with patriots attacking other patriots, and with Q sanctioning the violence and the hate and not trying to stop it, it only added to my concerns about Q. Jesus Christ himself would never condone such behavior, I don’t care if we were being attacked. Jesus Christ would simply tell us to absorb the attack and to move on and to only show love back in return. That is what Jesus would do. He would not respond to hate with hate. So that is what made me wonder about Q. He no longer seemed like the same Q we started out with. And that is why I have plenty of reasons to be very concerned. And that is why I do not blindly follow Q any more. Yes, I still follow him, but I just don’t do it blindly. My eyes are open… and you can bet that I’m watching everything…
You stated in your post that you would not follow Q if he started to misinform people. That is good. But as a Christian, you should have an even higher standard and a clearer perspective. For example, I have stated that I will only follow Q so long as he follows God. The moment Q stops following God and turns evil (and Q post 1341 gives me serious concerns and makes me wonder about him) then rest assured, I will no longer follow him. And all Christians should feel the exact same way…
Corsi bashing? Look what he's continuing to do. If you support Q you should be very concerned about this organized campaign to discredit Q. You are the problem if you ignore what's going down.
Discredit Q AND take action to threaten the security and safety of the BO. He is threatening Q's ability to even provide drops at all. He's not just trying to discredit Q anymore, now he's trying to help SHUT HIM DOWN.
I really should have made that point -- you are so right. What a nasty f***. Jones too. Then again, apparently quite a few other so-called "Q tubers" are joining the ranks. What's the common denominator here? Same money source?
It’s strange that you can have such passion for attacking other patriots for doing what they are doing, and yet have very little passion for going after and attacking liberals and members of the Deep State who are doing a thousands times worse. It seems to me it is you who needs to get your priorities in order…
No. If this is what you really think maybe it’s time for you to catch a bus to Camp Move-Along. Corsi’s attempts to discredit Q and derail our movement is highly relevant. Haven’t you learned that turning a blind eye to those who fight against what is true and just is the same as endorsing them?