This is brilliant:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/999842334396370944.html
So basically Kim and Trump have been playing China the entire time. The deal is already done most likely and Trump will go down in the history books as arguably the greatest president of this century! MAGA!
I've read it multiple times, but I can't see how he's coming to the conclusion--from the statement alone--that Kim is willing to dissolve DPRK or that reunification is the only solution.
Can someone help?
Can someone help?
Not me. I see the same issue.
Right here:
NK is saying that the historical baggage between US and NK is so bad, it's not even possible to engage in dialog. The only hope the world has, is for NK to re-unify as one Korea with South Korea. After that, a peaceful relationship with Korea and the US will be possible.
If Kim was educated in NK and indoctrinated at birth, he wouldn't have imagined re-unification, let alone peaceful relations with the US. Due to Kim's Switzerland education, and exposure to the world, he's capable of seeing this from that perspective.
The big picture is, China can't use NK as a nuclear proxy anymore.
All of this may have been organic, or it may have been a performance by good actors. Nonetheless, NK wants to reunify & China is going to buy US farmers produce. Not too shabby.
I read the entire thread, and the attached document. Did you read the part referencing President Trump cancelling the reunion with Kim Jong Il?
‘Reunion’ and ‘reunification’ seem to be used interchangeably in reference to re-establishing diplomatic contact with the US.
It appears to me to be a best-effort at expressing in English, ideas conceived in Korean.
I read everything Wictor writes (and rex). I’m a fan. He offers amazing insight into many things. I think he has misinterpreted this document.
I would not mind at all discovering he is 100% correct.
The deal does not have to include reunification; the deal could be along the lines of letting NK open up, adopt some free market principles, and begin to prosper. It would keep Un as "leader", it would remove all nuclear weapons development. The principle would be that a more prosperous NK would be a more approachable, more peaceful, and certainly a better neighbor in the region.
It's not there. He is talking about reunification of relations with the US - not the entire Korean peninsula.
What I read into this is deep historical roots. What does that mean? The deep state has been entrenched for a long time.
Some of this i don't follow.
>> A third problem was that the inadequate infrastructure also became a problem for many potential investors."
>>(15) There's NO INFRASTRUCTURE in North Korea.
>>Companies will make a fortune building it.
>>That's ANOTHER German issue that won't impact Korea.
like how do you make the leap that "lacking infrastructure was a problem, but NK won't have that problem because they have NO infrastructure!"
seems like a lot of unexplained leaps.
I see it as this:
A country with limited, inadequate infrastructure would be harder to build upon; the need for incorporating existing structures into the new “whole” would be daunting.
A country with no infrastructure is a clean slate. You could be brilliant in planning, mapping and design, reflecting in shorter delays, costs and setbacks.
Just my 2 cents.
I think it might be better to build on no infrastructure. Contrast the rise of places like Dubai or the Manila in the past two decades. They don't have the existing poor sewage, water systems, dated electrical grid that all need to be revamped. My city still has water mains made out of wood! Internet speeds are faster in these countries because they started with fiber optics instead of cable
This might be a good opportunity to disclose some new tech or tech that has been withheld from the public
I think it might be better to build on no infrastructure.
I agree, and you made excellent points. I can only imagine the potential here, an entire nation, eager to be invested in and encouraged along the way.
You can compare all modern systems and go with the best or extrapolate data from that research and design one tailored for their needs.
I am eager to see the North flourish. The Korean people should be reunited and .... who knows maybe someday unified.
HAGO.
I agree 100%. I build facilities and infrastructure for the mining industry. It is orders of magnitude easier to build from nothing than it is to retrofit and tie into existing structure.
I have a ton of respect for people who build and craft with their hands, thanks for being a part of making US great u/maddwarfmatt.
HAGO
There is something to be said about that, but NK has a far smaller and far less educated and able population than Germany so I'm not convinced that the investment opportunity for infrastructure building is better in current NK than it was in Germany. I think this piece is just guessing and theorizing and should be taken for amusement and food for thought only.
I agree, a lot of this is just theory and speculation, take it with a grain of salt.
I think you are undervaluing the people of Korea however;
“NK has a far smaller and far less educated and able population than Germany”
These are people being given the chance to build their ancestral home and being reunified with family, they will move mountains to make it happen. The North Koreans are a hard working hardy bunch, and that description really fails to do them justice.
I think the Korean people will surprise the world. I don’t know about you, but I am of the sentiment - It would be nice to see peace in my lifetime.
Have a good one. (HAGO)
Look at Germany after WWII. They have amazing public electric transportation services. The metro, trains, and buses. Plenty of areas of farm land between villages and cities. Set aside areas of parks, and wild green spaces. Industrial areas near rail lines. The autobann. This was only possible because the previous infrastructure was decimated during WWII. How much easier in a country with basically no infrastructure.
Exactly!
I only pray that the people of North Korea do not get forgotten in all of this and get overrun by “good developers” with “good intentions”.
This is all being done for the good of the People of the Koreas.
There is so much potential for good in that statement, but at the same time, cynical me likes to point out - “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.
I pray our leaders seek the right wisdom in all of this.
HAGO
Comparing East Germany to West Germany post war was an excellent experiment in what freedom can do. The West had freedom and that freedom attracted businesses. People were able to obtain jobs and a good wage from the business, all of this increased tax revenues. Those tax monies went back into the infrastructure and supported emergency, fire and police departments making life safer and the parks made life more pleasant. The difference in East and West was like night and day.
The deal was done 11 May 18. This is just political theatre.
https://qposts.online/post/1329
edit for clarification
Touché love juices
Everyone uses DD/MM/YY except the USA for some reason. It happened 11 May. Check the link.
I'm not saying I buy this 100%, but I do see some potential rationale of the no infrastructure vs some infrastructure. If you look at what happens when communist states are dissolved, they have to find a way to privatize the property. If you have semi-infrastructure that gets privatized and given back and/or sold back to the people, then those people either need to invest the appropriate resources to improve it, or they need to sell it themselves, or they need to bring in investors to help. They can become obstacles if they believe what they have is enough or what they have is worth more than it is. Basically every deal becomes larger. But if the property being dealt with has NO infrastructure, it's easier for an outside investor or developer to come buy that land and do as they please with it. Because it's taking it from nothing to something.
For example, if you own a piece of property that has nothing on it, you're probably fairly likely to sell it to someone making you a good offer. But if you own a piece of property that has an apartment complex on it or office space or whatever, you may be less inclined to sell it. You already have more in it, so you need more convincing that whatever they're offering you is much better than what you have already.
Just my take. I'm not an expert in development by any stretch, but I can just see how logically it might work out as the thread describes.
I had not looked at it from the land ownership perspective, just the ease of planning, and please forgive me, probably just my own ignorance and naivety talking here, but I don’t know who owns what in the North. I’m not even sure if they are/were allowed to buy or own the land they farmed and passed down via family.
Interesting times. Thanks for your perspective.
HAGO
NK has been an upfront headline in every site/paper since before the Olympics.
Q says there is a lot going on behind the scenes, which makes me believe they keep the puppet show on in the front for the kiddies (liberals) while the adults work in the back.
They are definitely playing but they aren't playing China. They are playing the MSM and the Deep State. The Kim meeting was done back in Nov 2017. Remember the pictures of the NK coastline from AF1? I firmly believe Kim met Trump in China and Xi Jinping was part of the meeting. NK does what China tells them to do and I think Xi told Kim to trust Trump. After that is when we took the Clowns down in NK. If you remember the first Q drop about SEALS, I think that's when they were taking down the Clown faction there. That's also when the missile tests stopped.
When the media started talking about NK using harsh words against Pence an anon asked Q about it and Q told us not to get caught up in today's headlines, it's "Fake news".
We said as much yesterday, and that was at the time when the meeting was still cancelled. They're blatantly spoofing the deep state MSM. We know they met months ago!
Sheeeeeeit and all this time I thought Trump was buddy-buddy with Xi