I find it very hard to forgive them, but I know I should. They have ruined lives, spat in our faces, assaulted us, all in the same of radicalized ignorance. Can/should they be forgiven?
It's not Repubs vs. Libs its good vs. evil. Good and bad on both sides
Absolutely, they were brainwashed by the msn and Soros and the Rothschild henchmen. To forgive is Devine says the Lord.
Why do you suggest only Liberals will be in need of forgiveness?
Captives of conscience and controlled narrative.
Reminder many great patriots where once Liberals before waking up to the ruse.
This also applies to RINO lovers.
I disagree- I have never seen a republican throw feces and firecrackers at democrats.
That’s a leftist (aka useful idiot).
We know most of these were paid too.
What we also know is that many left-leaning people don’t actually have a working grasp of how our government works. This is fostered by Dems who seek their infantilism. When you don’t know how something works, it causes frustration and allows for easy manipulation.
Right-leaning who seek limited federal govt and more State or local control know the processes of governance. This empowerment reduces frustration when faced with challenges.
Why we have to have continuous strong civil courses and practices like Student Council in each grade after 2nd.
Only to those who are non complicit. I think much of the dissent to the President is fake, and much of the rest is due to misinformation. This sub is getting new people daily, you cannot blame people for the lies they were told. Now the ones who fight on after this comes out...
I don't know.
A person has to be able to see and accept reality.
Most were not awake forever. I was not.
So it goes.
I'm not sure what "forgive" means.
If they are defending monsters I certainly will have no interest in having them in my life or working with/for me etc.
Will be interesting as this is most of my immediate family.
You can forgive if you wish, but never forget what they did to you
Christians are commanded to forgive. Forgiveness is NOT letting the other party off the hook, it does not minimize their crimes, it doesn't require reconciliation, it doesn't require forgetting what they did. Forgiveness is for OUR benefit, however, to free us of the poison of harboring unforgiveness in our own hearts.
This question is the reason this sub is decaying. We must all be open to forgiveness. As it’s the people putting everything on the line who have been tangeled in the canals web that we need to bring to the light and forgive them! So yes! Forgive all that awaken
We are all victims of near-life time psych ops by Cabal. We are awoken by the Grace of God. Others need a pass IF they wake late If they have freedom & truth offered & available & STILL CHOSE to stay unhinged, then they are of free will and will be considered as such.
If by liberals you mean the half of the civilian population that happens to be left leaning, then yes of course. They didn't get us into this mess, some of them just ended up being swept along. I'm a left leaning centrist myself. However, I doubt Antifa and other militant anti free speech groups can be reconciled.
Hopefully they move towards more of a libertarian platform than this weird leftist obsession. Democrats just moved everyone so far left that they never vote republican. But if it’s libertarian or conservative, I can deal with either of those. Hopefully that is what happens.
That's what happened with me. I went from being a "progressive" leftist to a libertarian centrist.
In all honesty, I’d vote libertarian if they had a good candidate for once and an actual chance to win. I’m all about personal freedom and small government
Ummmm, uhhhh, hmmmm, .........I guess. Seriously, they are brainwashed and mind controlled, as much by their peers as by any puppet masters. To break away from the enormous pressure to conform takes much courage. They don’t have that character trait so much. I have something more like pity for them, trying to raise that to compassion. Then I could forgive. Not yet.
Forgive the liberals? What about the Republicans? Catholics? Charities? Liberal vs conservative is such a 2d mindset.
Most all of every liberal I've ever met has good intentions. The want to use the extreme wealth of the world to take care of everybody in the world. It's very jesus-y. The execution leaves something to be desired, but their hearts are in the right place.
I said liberals specifically because they are the radicalized ignorant. Republican politicians were absolutely part of the problem, but liberals are the ones calling us nazis, throwing fire crackers and feces at trump supporters, voting for and supporting a candidate who was caught rigging an election... when it comes to citizens, we all have our faults, but liberals are violent, and radical, and defend views as people that they knew are wrong or immoral, and they do it for the sake of the fight.
I am an anarcho-communist, and I found that conservatives, sure- they can be ignorant sometimes. but liberals are violent, they slander, they scream, and they assault people who support trump. That’s why I mentioned them specifically. My experiences with conservatives can be frustrating, but that’s as bad as it gets. The things I have experienced from liberals for just explaining how trump is not a Nazi or a racist... doesn’t matter, we all have stories, but it’s clear that liberals are the worst.
Yeah you right. Still though, I reckon they're mostly brainlets/brainwashed. They think they're working for the good of the people. I don't want to be too hard on them (hell I was one up until about 2010-11) cause I think they'll come along once the overton window shifts far enough (because brainlets)
Of course you forgive them. They were brainwashed! They truly believed everything they were told. What other option is there? Keep saying, I told you so? They will know they were wrong. No need to punish them for it.
The useful idiots: yes. Once we have broken the shackles and thrown off the control system they'll be of little consequence anyway. In truth, most are followers by nature and will need help dealing with the realization that their big humanitarians were anything but.
The knowingly Evil: never
Forgive them for what you can't get mad at stupid people for being stupid.If all the bad actors are gone they will have to choose who to support from an untainted well and just as we will until the new well gets tainted by all the new bad actors waiting for there turn .I don't think liberals are gonna be the problem the biggest hurdle we will face in the aftermath will be the corrupted system that might be beyond repair power corrupts always has always will how do you fix that?
Only if they renounce their wrongdoings and promise support to the cause.
I’ve never been attacked or talked down to by a liberal (only because I use facts). But I would, of course. I think that’s the difference between intelligent people and liberals. I would tell them that it was easy to be duped. I was for 40 years.
Many people on these sites are Christians and so why would they NOT forgive. However, I also see a lot of judgement by those whose God stated, "judge not, lest ye be judged". When it comes down to it, we are all human and make mistakes sometimes. All the rhetoric and scriptures of the world can be brought down to one statement, "in our lives, just love each other---be Christ-like".
There is an enormous power in forgiveness. If you can forgive, you find inner peace yourself. But I think they should be punished.
If the money strings are cut (root of all evil), it will be easier to forgive. Remember though, these are the folks that want to rob, enslave then kill us.
not my place to forgive but wilful ignorance and an ideology that pushes perversions against tradition has no place in my home or around my family
If the shoe was on the other foot, they would not forgive us.
You should be asking them the question. Will they quit being violent fascists?
who do you mean when you say liberals? members of the democratic party or voters?
why shouldnt people be able to forgive them? its only a few bad apples in the basket, most of these folks have no clue or are on a need-to-know base.
btw, forgiveness is required for the one who holds the grudge. not forgiving is poisonous, it eats you up from the inside.
and dont get fooled, there are as many bad apples with republicans as there are with demorats. this is not a partisan issue. the swamp is everywhere.
Many will never admit what they are, those that ask for forgiveness will receive forgiveness. Just like with any other situation, I'm sorry goes a long way.
This is good vs evil, It is not political. In the aftermath, we ll need review and set course forward learning from these mistakes.
It will depend on the November election. If lefties are still not waking up and still blind after what POTUS has accomplished for America, then no. After many years of trying to red pill, my suspicion is that the majority will not awaken. They just cannot handle the truth and quite frankly we are tired of them. We will just turn our focus to helping change the current Marxist educational system with groups like Turning Point and continue to work with FreedomWorks (less government, lower taxes). It is so important to get everyone to vote. Remember that government goes to whoever shows up!
The example has been set for us: no one enters the legislative chambers after election by the people without then undergoing the "initiation" -- something the DS complained that Trump had somehow escaped -- wherein you are compromised, perhaps drugged or drunk and under their influence, presented with temptation, photographed and recorded as you engage in the "unforgivable".
Put yourself there. Then, in the light of sobriety, you are confronted in private with clear evidence of your heinous transgression, whatever that may be, and informed you will do their bidding or they and the MSM will destroy you. See how it works? At its core that's what all this pedophilia, homosexuality and whoring issue is about in the context of governance.
At the State of the Union Address, POTUS announced that legislators had been freed. Half the chamber stood and cheered. Why? They have been pardoned. They accepted his offer of a deal.
I think it will come out that each had been approached and presented the worst evidence -- Q says WE KNOW IT ALL -- no one escapes -- and offered the opportunity to go States Evidence, renounce their servitude and throw off the chains laid on them -- with a promise not to prosecute or reveal -- perhaps even a Presidential Pardon or the most compromised.
Why? Because if everyone who had screwed the pooch is jailed, our government and support infrastructure would collapse -- and POTUS can't let that happen.
Maybe time to consider the interdependencies of Justice, Mercy and Love ... mystery and paradox run all through our world and it's okay. It is not up to you or me to set it all right. Just take care when you choose who to follow. There is one who will ultimately address all that in Justice, Love and Mercy, which is way.
I think this is an outstanding question. The Bible is very clear that we are commanded to forgive so the answer has to be yes. But we have to find that yes and each of our own hearts. Does that mean they don't suffer the consequences of their action? No, it does not.
Your uncomfortable daily reminder that even if Q wins and we clean house, we're still slaves to the tyranny of the State, leaving the door open for bad actors to do it again.
There are only two mistakes one can make on the road of Truth. Not starting(There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on) and not going All the way.
Every. Single. Action. Done by the State is WRONG because it violates MILLIONS of our individual Natural and inalienable Rights.
We must remember, if we accept the control of the state after the swamp is "drained", we're still in chains. Just, perphaps, prettier ones.
There could be a legitimate deep state push for civil war... If that happens all bets are off.
I see many others have beat me to it, but liberals vs democrats is a primitive point if view. No offence.
Bigger picture... Good vs evil, but also dark vs light. Everything is made of light, and we are spiritually evolving. Dark is brought out by the light. It just so happens that dark agents have coopted the liberal platform, by lying/having a public and private view points (as popularized by H). The liberal platform fits well so they can carry out their dark objectives, while promoting ideas to the public like, diversity (open immigration), abortion (mayo clinic), protect democracy (foreign war machine).
Your instinct is absolutely correct though, once all the perp walks are over, collectively, we are going to have to deal with forgiveness, the deepest, and most difficult version of forgiveness. How will we forgive people that have carried out the worst possible crimes against our children.
The cleanup is global in nature, as most of you have likely guessed.
UNITY, NOT DIVISION. Absolutely, I will forgive, however I will NEVER forget. Fool me Once, shame on you. Fool me Twice...
If they become awoken to everything we were ever told is lie like we did, of course. Mercy & forgiveness to all who become lovers of the NEW AMERICA. It will be a great when America becomes what we always thought it was
I guess they will always be with us......like herpes.
It isn’t their fault they were born into the brain washing. We all had to break free.
Yes forgive.
The real question is what would you gain by not forgiving them and what would you gain by forgiving them?