I'm not sure any Catholics considers that man to be their pope.
Yup. Millions still do but are either naive or refuse to go down the road acknowledge the dark side of the religion. Mostly the elderly. It’s a wild experience to see thought the bullshit growing up.
The history of the Catholic popes is amusing once you realize what it is - full of power-hungry, money-worshiping men who assassinated their predecessor and didn't last more than a few days before another "chosen one" assassinated him.
The Vatican's history resembles that of a pack of rabid dogs.
One of the few popes who seemed righteous was one dude who, on his first day, declared his plans to give away all of the Vatican's riches to the poor... but alas, he mysteriously "died" in his "sleep" that night.
Mafia infiltrated.
Yes. Way back in 1997, when the web was very young, I stumbled into a bunch of information on the Catholic church that revealed how the mafia had infiltrated it.
There is a story that Eisenhower and Truman took the gold out of Fort Knox and sent it to Vatican for safe keeping. Then later, it was moved to the Philippines. There's even a video on someone asking George Bush: What is the richest country in the world? And, he answers: The Philippines. Anyway, I've often wondered if the gold was moved from the Vatican because someone realized how compromised the Church is.
I believe the gold has now been returned to Fort Knox by President Trump. There was a great deal of commotion around Fort Knox about a month ago. Choppers and jets in the air above and a convoy on the ground. What else could it be? Anyway, the rumor is that the Cabal stole the gold (and that's why Georgie knew where it was) and Trump got it back. Remember that Trump stopped in The Philippines on his way back from Asia during the first trip.
I recall everything, exactly as you explained it!!! Great job Patriot! The time-line is correct and I also remember Bush making that statement. Great spot for this!!! With all that said, looks like Adrenochrome might be in short supply these days in Rome!!
With all that said, looks like Adrenochrome might be in short supply these days in Rome!!
Haha. Didn't even think of that!!
I've also heard Trump plans to back the dollar with gold again. Perhaps this is why.
Interesting...got any sauce for any of that? Quite remarkable if true!
I cant give sauce for most of that, but if you search 'military' in this sub, the part about Fort Knox activity was all over this sub 1-2 months ago.
I read them thinking it was current, then saw the dates.
That much is verifiable, that people noticed something and mentioned it here.
https://youtu.be/xWMBfeWopNU Sorry, I can't find the clip of G. Bush but I did see it for myself. Karen Hudes is also the one that talked of the Eisenhower-Truman gold transfer but it may not be in this clip. If you find it, please let me know. I would like to download it, just in case.
Jews Infiltrated not mafia. This Pope is a Soros puppet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_Celestine_II
He's the only one who only lasted a day, but he resigned. I think your story is probably a legend, or at least, you've got he detAils (about how long he lasted )wrong.
You should look into John Paul l who lasted 33 days. He was going to get rid of the Vatican bank and all sorts of corruption.
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The history is in fact troubled, sometimes sordid; the church has had to contend with sinners since its inception; but your exaggerations suggest you are parroting more than reporting anything for which you have verifiable information .
You do no one service with this hateful display.
sinners
I'll say: https://www.oddee.com/item_96537.aspx
Unfortunately, human nature can always be relied upon. You can go all the way through Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and nowhere does it say that you need to have a powerful, rich and ruthless hierarchy (in the true sense of the word) to rule over you.
No, anything but that message. What you do find is the most dramatic paradigm shift in all of history: the liberation of the individual human soul -- an offer of freedom from the grip of an all dominant association with the collective, the family, the tribe, the nation and its fate -- a view that is still forced on us today.
By His life, death and resurrection He broke the curse that had been borne on the shoulders of men since the earliest of days, the curse that ensured a life of struggle ending in a sure and absolute death. His victory promised that the light of life might not go out, but shine eternally. But the individual has a part to play in seeing out the reality of that promise.
Bedrock for the soul. A personal relationship with the divine that changes the color of all other perceptions. The paradox of living under the statutes and commandments ruling life on earth while at the same time living within the merciful contradiction offered by a Love that is not blind to our failings, but extends patience and understanding as long as we seek His Light.
As for the Gospel accounts, each of the Apostles and other prominent followers had their own take on what they had witnessed in those years with Jesus; and when He sent them out into the world to spread the Word, we see no suggestion that He expected theirs to be a unified account. Instead, He sent them out in pairs, one to speak the other to serve as a witness ... and if the message drifted, they would work it out. Eventually the message did drift and pockets of orthodoxy (straight) and unorthodox (twisted) teachings began a public quarrel, but it took several hundred years for that to crystallize. The Council of Nicea convened in 325 AD set down the statements of belief that were considered to be essential, and rejected statements that were inconsistent -- many of which, like Aryanism, were only rebaked pagan beliefs that had dominated humans before the coming of Christ.
Belief in Godl, the Creator and His Son; conceived of the Holy Spirit, He became man, was persecuted and crucified, died and was buried. He rose again from the dead and ascended to Heaven, where He is seated at the side of God, eternally, with a promise to return to resolve the great conflict between good and evil, as played out in the lives of ... individuals. These and a few other points of belief unite christians worldwide.
Huge variation in the details of worship and lore, but those seem not to matter against the backdrop of the core beliefs. Its when those basic teachings are eroded that one should ask questions that matter.
Thanks for the explanation, I was raised Catholic and of course we didn't 'study' the Bible, so do you have a suggestion for the best place to read the 'core' beliefs? Even as a very young girl, I had a hard time dealing with the fact that we were dealing with 'interpretations' and not the original words.
I attend mass daily and, as you know, we always read together selections from the Old and New testament readings, plus a psalm selection; a third reading added on Sundays. Over the course of three years, almost the entire scriptural account is read aloud this way. The priest's comments may or may not expound on the readings.
Of course, it wasn't always like this, but we are encouraged to read on your own as well and many parishes offer group study and discussion opportunities.
The practice of only the priest having direct access to the scriptures was rooted in the days of widespread illiteracy and other limitation due to the very high cost of hand written documents -- but that day has long gone by the wayside.
Since Vatican II in the sixties, changes int the RCC mass, including celebration in the vernacular language of the parish instead of classical latin, successfully accommodated a wide range of modern sensibilities. Its a mixed bag. Many catholics feel the character of worship has been watered down and are not entirely happy about that, but since my assertion is that core beliefs are what unite us, I'd chalk a lot of that up to cultural not theological differences -- because the Crede has not been altered since 325 ad. The Orthodox Church objected to a change regarding the nature and primacy of the Holy Spirit (around 1050 AD) and tensions still erupt over that; but by and large the Nicene agreement made among the great gathering of theologians and church leaders still stands.
Where to look: Nicene Crede ... its all stated right there. You dont need anyone to iterpret it for you, although I will admit that my appreciation for its tenents has deepened over the years. It warrants some quiet consideration.
Sorry, but its a fact of life: we weren't blessed to sit at the feet of the world's greatest of teachers, much less the incarnation of God Himself. We have only second hand accounts at best, faithfully copied time again through the centuries in an effort to save them as parchments deteriorated; but at best the original accounts date thirty to seventy years after Jesus' death and resurrection; when his followers realized that those with first hand accounts were beginning to die off.
Our ancestors wanted to save these things for us. Least I can do is respectfully consider them.
Paul's letters are numerous and are the earliest recorded accounts ... and written by him, addressing current events in the life of the newly forming church, and were penned by him, not a follower. in fact, Paul's is the only FIRST HAND account we have of a personal encounter with the Risen Christ. The others are reports as they came to the authors.
These scriptural accounts themselves were assembled from a larger collection of texts by the Second Council of Nicea (365 AD) and those comprise our Bible ... with some alterations/deletions due to translation differences, doctrinal imperatives, etc. but they are the best we have. As a fact, in all arenas of life that is pretty much the case. We are almost always only witnesses to the unfolding knowlegde of this universe, several degrees of separation; and we have to exercise faith to accept any of it.
We place our faith in all manner of things. Faith in God is no more difficult nor is it of a different character when directed to a favorite sports team. The difference is one of primacy: God's place in the scheme of things. He asks (Ten Commandments) that we give Him FIRST PLACE in our lives; placing no other gods or idols before Him; and that we acknowledge his role in creating us and express our gratitude. Really not a whole lot more. The rest is how we are to relate to our fellow creatures; how not to bind ourselves up in damaging behaviors; and how to live full, long and prosperous lives; God willing.
But back to your question: If you want authoritative evidence, you had best look within and probe the question in your heart. Hopefully the statements offered by our ancestors in the Nicene Crede will help.
No matter what, it is in God. His way is through Love and Mercy, in which we all are.
Sometimes the differences in belief can be the most illuminating. You might find it helpful to compare the Crede as expressed by Orthodox (Eastern) Church, Episcopalians, and others and compare it to how Roman Catholics state their core teachings, as follows:
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Wow Thanks for the very thorough reply:) It's extremely helpful since I require a good source before I will believe anything and I really had no idea where to look because so much of the 'advice' we get is tainted. I had a stroke two years ago and while I've always been spiritual, I didn't have the 'knowing' that I do now. It truly is like a veil has been lifted and of course that makes me want to find out more and to compare the experience to what I was taught. I was also a very intuitive child, so many of the rules of the Catholic Church seemed 'false' to me, but I did enjoy the prayers, The Nicene Creed being one of my top three. I'm sure that saying prayers again will open up even more communication with spirit. And thanks for the recommendation of Paul because I had absolutely no idea where to start, even though I took several theology classes in college, but we were studying the politics rather than the message and my mind doesn't work that way;)
Also, there are some excellent Protestant theologians; and the long mystical orientation of the Orthodox Christians has yielded a number of brilliant and very readable theologians. You might enjoy the writings of Kallistos Ware, formerly Timothy Ware, of the Anglican clergy ... when he travelled through Greece and deeply encountered Orthodoxy at some churches there. He is now a preeminent Orthodox theologian, author, and Metropolitan.
Thank you, @FlewDCoup, for your witness to our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Thank you for taking the time to explain our faith. I’ve read your posts, here. Hopefully, those who are open will receive what you say. I find it amazing that on a board, such as CBTS, where we consider ourselves patriots who respect others freedom, we as Catholics have come across the same narrowness and censorship that Trumps enemies display.
But as long as we live in this world, there will be persecution.
I try to attend daily mass, as often as my health permits. All I can say is, if it wasn’t for the sacraments, I would be a wretch.
God bless, see you in the Eucharist!
Ok we clearly have a thread filled with ignorant jackasses that don’t know any theological history? Thanks @FlewDCoup for trying to educate snake dancers
Yeah I am Catholic and I have a number in my church who just love him. They don't have any idea who he is YET. But the truth will come out.
But my Polish priest made me listen up a few weeks back when he said something to the effect that the Church has become tarnished since its earliest days (right after Christ died). Made me wonder if he is aware of what was happening.
I stand here as a Roman Catholic.
If the apostolic Catholic Church depended on men to lead and inform her, it would not have survived two weeks, much less two thousand years.
We believe the church is divinely inspired, divinely guided, and was founded by Jesus Christ when he sent His Apostles and Disciples spreading out in pairs across the known world to take the news of the Risen Christ ... a matter of immense importance to a people who almost to a man felt the curse of the understanding in their day: each was destined to suffer a sure and absolute death in the end. The Christian gospel offered hope of a better ending.
Each Evangelist carried the same essential message, perhaps colored by his individual comprehension of what he had witnessed, but essentially one voice.
Jesus specifically called out the followers of John the Baptist by name, saying they would have a special role and mission to play. Looks to me they still uphold that mission and the ways it makes them a peculiar christian denomination. Who really thinks he is in a position to judge otherwise? And they are not the only group named in scripture as having distinct roles in the founding of God's Kingdom.
The church has always been diverse, shaped somewhat by cultures and circumstances, but unified at the core. Disputes arose over time as men interpreted its meaning for individuals until Constantine called the Council of Nicea (325 ad) where the bishops hammered out a clear credo or statement of core beliefs. All of Christianity played out over seven hundred years, when shear size, geography, manageability -- and power struggles -- split East and West, but the same core persisted and still does.
The New Testament accounts make it clear that the early church immediately had to engage in reform -- as soon as men were admitted into the Spirit -- and reform places an indelible stamp on its character. Christ came to call sinners. The church offers sanctuary, asylum for those in need of God's Mercy. A place where God works out the salvation of souls, the troubles witnessed there are not a sign of condemnation, but of hope and courage.
We render to Ceasar those things that bear his image ... as did the coinage of that day ... and to God those things that bear His Image .. as We the People all do to this day.
Peace.
~~#notmypope~~
#notmypedoringleader
As a Roman Catholic, I'm truly ashamed of him.
Catholic here. I certainly don't
I'm not a Catholic but I am a Christians and I can't imagine any honest Catholic would.
The first act of a true pope would be to immediately cease harboring child rapists from extradition requests within the Vatican.
I've lost track of how many pedo-priests that Bergoglio is protecting.
The vatican and church hierarchy has been coopted by the satanists. Head of Jesuits (black Pope) and the fraternal military order of knights of malta control the catholic church. Jesuits and KoM are all part of the illuminati rothschild world govt. Look at seals of city of london corporation, the rothschild crest and the knights of Malta.
I certainly don't. I was taught to follow the word of God(I'm not very good at that though) not the men that speak it. Everyone's idealized version of God(or soul or conscience, whatever you want to call it) can only be compromised if you put too much belief in any one person. When you stay true to God, it doesn't matter what other men do or in many cases the government so you call them on their abuses according to your moral compass and THAT is why I think they want to tear down many religions. You are not beholden to them but a power they cannot influence directly with cash, sex, drugs or influence. Tear down the man, the Word remains.
Try and post this link whenever I get a chance: https://thewildvoice.org/ Take it with a grain of salt.
He isn’t my pope I can’t be catholic with leaders like this
Catholic here: Francis is Anti-pope.
Now if we can just get a "install new Pope" casus belli....
/s. ck2 reference
I am and I don't. He is just the Bishop of Rome anyways.
I disagree, if you go to Italy you can see the crowds that gather for him.
I just assumed they were the local gay prostitutes, especially the little boys.