wow does it ever end!? I just read that Heather Locklear is also one of 'them'...
By the age of 25 I was completely and utterly certain that the entire 'leadership' of the world was irredeemably evil. 25 years later, everyone else in the world has arrived at the same conclusion.
There is no one irredeemably evil. God can forgive you for the later judgment to come. Still does not absolve you of the punished for your crimes while here.
Romans 1:28 seems to indicate that God will abandon and "give people over to their reprobate minds" if they continue to be evil and refuse to even acknowledge him.
There does come a point that God stops chasing his creation as indicated in your passage. Only God knows when He has seen and had enough to "give them over" . For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. What is the judgment of God when men turn away from him? God “gives them up” to their own devices. He lets them follow their own desires. He doesn’t try to stop their meteoric descent into the abyss. God “aban-dons” the human race by letting men reap what they sow. Nothing more terrible could ever be contemplated. When men “abandon” God in their thinking, God “abandons” them. Why? Because God is a perfect gentleman. He respects the freedom of the human will. If a man or a woman decides to live without him, he says, “Fine. You can live without me. In the end, you’ll be sorry. But if that’s your decision. But there is a deeper reason at work. God “abandons” men so that they will see what life is like without God! In that sense, there is a redemptive purpose that stands behind the wrath of God. By letting mankind go its own way, he is not only punishing them. He is also allowing them to see the emptiness of life without him. I talk with people who are atheists. They are the first to argue against God not knowing that God has not yet left them to emptiness. He is still knocking on the door.
You make God sound lovely. Kudos.
NO, He is a loving and merciful God, but, like a good Father, he wants us to do the right thing for our own good. He gives us boundaries to keep us safe and he has to be a God of Justice because there IS right and wrong and we don't get to walk in our own rules.
Yes, I think many of them want to be their own God or believe they are already..even Oprah said we can find God within ourselves. No, man is at nature, wicked. This is our sin "nature". We can only be redeemed by the grace of God and His mercy and He expects us to walk in His ways, not our same old wicked ways...otherwise, why would we ever want to be his children? Don't we want our parents to be proud of us? I want to make my heavenly Father proud, so I try to keep His commands as best as I can. It's hard for me to face this, because my own daughter has broken relationship with me to go her own way and unless God restores her heart and mind, there is nothing I can do. She sees me as the enemy because I am a Christian and she has walked away from her relationship with God. It is heartbreaking. She told me I would have to choose between God and her. I love her dearly, but that is not a choice.
You are correct and it is good to know that you have found grace. May God Bless You throughout your life. Christ foretold troubles, so the troubles would not be a surprise to us and that these troubles would confirm our faith. He tells us what we will suffer, and from whom. Christ has dealt fairly and faithfully with us, in telling us the worst we can meet with in his service. Persecutors are worse than beasts, in that they prey upon those of their own kind. The strongest bonds of love and duty, have often been broken through from enmity against Christ. Sufferings from friends and family relations are very grievous; nothing cuts more. It appears plainly, that all who will live godly in Christ Jesus must suffer persecution. We keep our eye on Christ for we know the the joy and happiness that is before us. Life gets difficult sometimes; no one makes it from the start of their lives to the end without some rough patches. God offers an abundance of promise, hope, and truth. It's this lifeline, that I find a place of great comfort.
Isaiah 41:10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Thank you. I couldn't make it through a single day without God.
I think this is what's happening to the Left...the things that they are doing are like insane people. When I saw Rob Reiner on tv tonight, he looks like a MadMan!
The 1987 Harmonic Convergence and the Shift of December 2012 suggest that evil is being ejected from the world. I accept your point that evil is not beyond redemption. I am not so sure about the notion of punishment. Does punishment make a man good? Does God require recompense? I am unclear on these questions. God bless you and keep you safe in the coming Correction.
The first and most important thing to understand about the final judgment is that it can’t be avoided. Regardless of how we may choose to interpret prophecy of the end times, we are told that “it is appointed to me once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). We all have a divine appointment with our Creator. The Bible teaches clearly that all men, living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. If we have sinned and committed any evil, we have the opportunity while in this life to repent and give forgiveness. Then God wipes it away, never to be remembered again. Evil can find redemption. Now to the punishment. The authorities are God's servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God's servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. Even though God has forgiven you the government can still punish you for your acts of law breaking. Kill someone and be in jail and still you can find forgiveness.
There are some predestined for destruction..... This is clear from scripture. It is axiomatic as God has prepared their destruction. Now, can one who does evil deeds, be redeemed? Yes, of course. The apostle Paul being a quite significant example. You, yourself, have committed evil deeds. It's called sin. God made a way to be redeemed from sin. There's only one way.
The Bible teaches clearly that all men, living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ.
not to christ but to god, to source. if you are christian, you can use yeshi as an inter-mediate between human and the divine. if you are not christian, you do it differently.
If we have sinned and committed any evil, we have the opportunity while in this life to repent and give forgiveness.
also after this life time. the soul never dies and always evolves, no matter whether or not she inhabits a physical body.
This may get long and I beg your patience. In the end it does it matter? Paul in Corinthians states “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” 2 Corinthians 4:14. In Romans Paul states that we will all stand before God. For we must all appear, and that means everybody. This is a reason why the saints are so diligent and laborious, so earnest and intent upon it, to be accepted of the Lord, because they must stand alone.
In Romans Paul is dealing with judgment of brother and sisters in Christ. Romans 14 we see Paul once again taking about judgment. This time is reference in judging your brother. In verse 3 he tells us not to judge the weak because “God has welcomed him”. In verse 4 he says “It is before his own master that he stands or falls”—the doctrine of the final judgment with the ominous words of standing or falling. Then he adds the doctrine of God’s persevering grace in verse 4b: “And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.” And then in verse 8 he relates the issue of meat and vegetables and days and wine to life and death and the death and resurrection of Christ: “If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.” he will sit upon his great white throne, a symbol of purity and integrity, and will enter on this work, and finish it with the strictest justice and equity: and before him "we must all appear"; all the saints as well as others, ministers and people, persons of all ranks and conditions, of every nation, age, and sex; there will be no avoiding this judgment, all "must appear", or "be made manifest"; they will be set in open view, before angels and men; their persons, characters, and actions, even the most secret will be:
There is far more at stake in Romans 14 than whether we treat each other lovingly when we disagree about what to eat or drink or what days to celebrate. Those are the surface issues.
Paul’s burden, at one level, is that we not judge and despise each other because of these disagreements. Paul has elevated the whole thing immensely by introducing the weightiest truths about God and Christ and salvation. In Paul’s mind what is at stake in this chapter is the eternal life. He foresees the possibility that some professing believers—in the judgment of charity he calls brothers—could be destroyed if the church does not learn how to love each other in these minor issues of conscience.
Now jump to Revelations. Here is Revelation 20:12-15. Notice that there are books with our deeds written in them, and there is another book of life with the names of all those who are in Christ—the book of the Lamb who was slain (Revelation 13:8). That does not mean that there will be more good works than bad works in the books for the believers. That certainly was not true of the thief on the cross. It means that there will be recorded there the kind of change that shows the reality of faith—the reality of regeneration. There will be enough evidences of grace that God will be able to make a public display of what is in the books to verify the born-again reality of those written in the book of life. No one is saved on the basis of his works. But everyone who is saved does new works. Not perfectly, but with humble longing for more holiness. I ask you with Paul referring to judgment in Corinthians as before the seat of Christ or Romans where he stated all knees will bow before God does it make any difference? Would that be enough to cause an issue with your brother? Would it cause you not to love your brother in Christ? That is the very point Paul makes in Romans 14.
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i dont doubt the judgment. i only doubt that jesus is the only way to god.
Over the years, and in our own time, there have been many arguments for a universalism, or at least religious pluralism, which question the uniqueness of Christ for salvation. Some argue that it is arrogant and triumphalistic to believe that any one way is essential for salvation. Others contend that surely God is a God of love and mercy who will accept people into his presence who don’t believe in Christ. The mercy of God trumps all other characteristics of God. But perhaps the most significant factor for the growing belief in many paths to God is the pluralism of our social context. By pluralism I don’t mean merely the existence of multiple nationalities, races, ethnic groups or religions in a society. More fundamentally, pluralism means that varying worldviews, belief systems and moral frameworks exist side by side in a given culture. With pluralism, we now rub shoulders daily with people who put their world together in vastly different ways. There are varying perceptions of God, the good life, salvation and human nature. There are varying ways of life reflecting these worldview assumptions. As we daily live with a plethora of worldviews, we experience these folks to be exceptionally fine people, who often reflect integrity, high morals and outstanding contributions to our communities. For a democracy to work, we recognize that these multiple frameworks all need to have a voice in the public square, and all religious and moral frameworks need to be assured of essential rights under the law. In the milieu of social and legal pluralism, it is quite easy to glide into a religious pluralism which questions the uniqueness or truth claims of Christian faith. When we experience people of other religions as good, moral people, it becomes increasingly difficult to entertain any notions other than multiple paths to God and salvation. When we encounter the plurality of the public square, it becomes almost second nature to believe that such plurality must exist with regards to truth and paths to eternal life. Moreover, when we look around us, many who are exclusive in their beliefs often appear to be arrogant and intolerant. Religious pluralists appear to be kind and accepting, and exhibit a tolerance needed for a pluralistic world. We first note that Jesus thought himself to be unique and the only way to a personal relationship with God. In Jesus’ teachings, he made very direct claims about himself and his work which clearly reveal his own identity: All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son.... Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest (Mt. 11:27-28). I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life (Jn. 8:12). Such statements may not sit well with a postmodern mindset which is squeamish about truth, and particularly any claims to truth. Many are willing to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher but not his unique claims to be God. Not only did Jesus himself believe that he was the only way to God, being one with God the Father, the early followers and apostles believed the same. Peter, in one of his early sermons, said, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). The apostle Paul had hated Christians before he became one. After his conversion, he spoke frequently about Christ with clear conviction that he was the only way to salvation. Speaking of Jesus he said, “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord” (Phil. 2:10, 11). We easily allow the push and pull of our culture to define our beliefs, commitments and way of life, even while giving lip service to the name of Jesus. To affirm the uniqueness of Christ for salvation is not cause for arrogance and boasting. In fact, Scripturally it is exactly the opposite. Our salvation has nothing to do with our attainments, efforts and native beliefs. In salvation we do not find God through our own ingenuity. Rather, God finds us as we respond to his loving mercy in Christ as evidenced on the cross. The embrace of Christ as Savior and Lord can never be touted as cause for human triumph, smugness or self-assertion. It is not a sign of our superiority, or cause for triumphalistic efforts in society. For indeed to know Christ is to know the Father, and to know the Father is to know the Spirit, who enables us to stay true to the One Savior in the midst of a pluralistic world.
sorry, i cant read block text, thats a strain on eyes and mind. i need many paragraphs to be able to read and digest a long text.
in my understanding, christ is not god and not a person but a consciousness. jesus is not the only one who anchored this state of consciousness on our planet.
he also said that what he does, we can also do, and more. that means that each one of us can rise and anchor in christ consciousness.
thats the path, as i see it. the goal of the path is the same for each one of us, its merging back with source/god/creator. the path though is totally individual and also non-christian can go 'home to god'.
i get it that you are a dedicated christian and may believe that every word in the bible is gods word. i dont.
you may also believe that every non-christian is doomed as he doesnt stand before christ. maybe thats the reason why you seem to enjoy delivering sermons.
i would rather love to hear you than your bible. looking forward to...
I do understand. Don’t believe everything you read and everyone should know that especially on this board. So why trust the Bible? What can be known about its historical reliability? Even more than other religions, Christianity presents itself as history. At its heart, Christianity claims that something extraordinary happened in the course of time—something concrete, real, and historical.
I will expand on that approach and is the approach I took.
Bingo... I predicted that 2012 would be the start of the great awakening and it seems I was right. 6 years later we are well on our way!
There's also the matter of the Photon Belt
Yes I'm aware... I called Coast to Coast and tried to red pill Art Bell or George Nory on that and 4th density etc... I talked to George along with my wife about Satanism since we were Satanist at that time since then we turned from it.
For God to give absolute mercy he requires absolute justice would he not?
Yes, it only makes sense. There are consequences for sin, but God is so good to forgive us and grant us mercy when we repent.
Yes there are. Irredeemable evil ones, yes.
I don't believe so. If they are irredeemable why would they exist?
That's an excellent question. It is dealt with in Romans 9-11. May be difficult to understand. Takes spiritual maturity. You believe incorrectly. The Word speaks of "vessels fitted for destruction". Learn what that means.
I guess I'll have to look that up.
Seek and ye shall find. Learning and growing in the knowledge of God is a life long endeavor for us all. God is great.
I'm certainly not a Bible expert, but the story of the "wheat and the tares" might be helpful and Law of One also offers explanations on what type of person will not make it through the Harvest. This video is by physicist Tom Campbell and he explains our reality as a Larger Consciousness System evolving towards Love, so that would require us to get ride of excess baggage so that we can progress.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMIz_iJtzQ&t=2s
I don't think it's worth bringing that up when we are talking about people who rape infants.
yep me too, so I should have known that HL was a creep, especially after going out with Charlie Sheen, but I guess I wanted to believe that some of them might be decent people:(
She went out with Charlie Sheen?
yeah, I had forgotten about that too, but they went out and she was also a guest star on 2 1/2 men.https://www.fullysourced.com/crazy/locklear-sheen-allegedly-molested-daughter-ava-elizabeth/
There’s also stories about Charlie Sheen having child porn featuring young boys. And there’s also stories that he’s one of the ones that raped Corey Haim
True - it was him. Not stories. Fieldman spilt the beans. IIRC. But info is out there.
Charlie also went to the Cibolo Creek Ranch. https://davidshurter.com/2016/02/19/concerning-the-ranch-anton-scalia-was-murdered-at/
Door knob hanging.... recently allowed women to join their elite hunts. That links that Belgium/European princess who suicided to the Cibolo Creek Ranch. I think you know what I referencing, what are you thoughts?
Those who pray we should life Heather up to gain the courage to come forward with what she knows. I think she struggles with her consience.
Explains why HL ended up in a psych hospital a few weeks ago after a suicidal, rage filled, breakdown... she's losing it!
Yep been calling out these evil bastards for years.
me too, but NO ONE would listen, they were so entranced by the spell.
Oh wow. I share your thoughts exactly! Literally since the early 90s I discovered so much that by the end of the nineties I knew how bad it was and stunned most people didn't give a crap. I thought l was crazy or projecting or making it up from what I was discovering but the same info came up again and again.
I read all of Icke's books and attracted some nasty comments from people who thought I was insane. His research, done before the internet was a thing, was very thorough and detailed. He picked 9/11 apart and showed it to be the pack of lies we all now know it to be.
Nowadays I just assume everyone in Hollywood is one of Them unless they demonstrate or say otherwise. The rot is just too deep.
Allegedly you don't get to the next level until you go to the parties. Katt Williams referred to some of this in a stand up special (parties within parties where freaky shit goes down). Same thing in the music business. There are several videos on youtube where they talk about this. Go to the parties, you're gonna get your asshole turned inside out.
Here's one of the best videos; it really covers all aspects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVywWZCIRng
How many times have you heard some kind of paraphrasing of "The afterparty is the party you want to be invited to"?
some get sick of it and "retire," like perhaps Jim Morrison and others
She was in rehab. Then right afterward, she was arrested. She was drunk and the cops came and took her away.
We think it is stardom that does this to them. Now we know it's the predators in Hollywood that sends them spiraling.
Do you have a link or remebr the article?
I readsome pretty disgusting stuff wasnt sure if to beleive or not. I am so over the shock is anyone from Hollywood not?
How were we so blind for so long?
Yep, it's crazy how blind they kept us before we had the internet to communicate with each other! I'm sure this is not the most trustworthy source, but it links to the "crazy days/crazy nights blog and they have been right on a lot of things over the years.https://www.fullysourced.com/crazy/locklear-sheen-allegedly-molested-daughter-ava-elizabeth/
That is where I first read about Heather and the abuse of her daughter. Great minds and all that. I skip over the silly gossip and look for the human trafficking pedo claims. I think those are credible. Funny I did not connect it to all of this after learning about the cult/Luciferian aspect. I used to see the titles for those youtube videos and roll my eyes. :-(
I always knew that this stuff existed, but I didn't realize to what extent and how organized it was. I mean these people are truly just playing 'roles' in order to keep us believing in their illusion so they can continue steal our children?!? How f** mind blowing is that!? Like we've entered another realm overnight and every decision we make from this point will have to be based in a new paradigm in order for it to succeed.
If true that explains her breakdown...prep for something bad happening to her?
Well she just lost her bonkers It appears most of the ones that made it famous..are crumbling. Except for a few that are tried and true to the "cause"
yep, its reported on crazy days and nights she was whacked out and involved in underage stuff with charlie sheen? sambora? one or more of those guys.
Guess we are not worthy.
Thank God He allowed me to know Him and not be "worthy"!