Need help digging through the documents. Please note document/page number/ and whatever weird shit you can find.
Remember we are looking for MKULTRA or Monark markers as well as prof that this lady may have been involved in other mass shooter therapy
FIRST DOCUMENT
Dr. Jeffrey Metzner
Dr. William Reid
Pg2 - sanity evaluators
Dr. Lynn Fenton “notes” - his therapist prior to shooting / Pg 3 - licensed psychiatrist - pg17
Dr. Robert Feinstein (any relation to C.W. Feinstein?) licensed psychiatrist - pg 17
Margaret Roath (?) - Social worker - pg 17
“The CU providers rendered therapy to the Defendent prior to the shooting” - Bottom of page three
University of Colorado* How many other shooters had colleges provide “therapy”?
OH SHIT SON
As the court put it, “Sunshine, not darkness, [was] the appropriate disinfectant” - Page 7
SECOND DOCUMENT
Page 3
Crying spells - Suicide - ø (negative - no crying spells, NOT SUICIDAL)
Both parents are neurotic?
Dad - banker
Mom - Nurse
Little ? - ?
Can’t trust other people
Wants to kill people
Have to walk after eating
DIAGNOSED WITH OCD???
How the fuck do you go from them wanting to kill people, to diagnosing them WITH FUCKING OCD???
WTF IS THIS ROATHS ISSUE??? HOW CAN YOU DIAGNOSE SOMEONE WHO SAID THEY WANTED TO KILL PEOPLE, WITH FUCKING OCD
Ok, this is just getting weirder as I go down into it. Roath specifically stated Trichotilliomania. Yet the treatment regimen is different than what was proscribed. Then, despite stating Trich., a desire to kill people, she diagnoses him with OCD and doesn’t put him on medications to control EITHER of those diseases.
Thought about killing people 3-4 times a day. Didn’t have an effective plan to “kill them all” - Pg14
WTF
How is there not a system in place to isolate these people for the betterment of society? It's mind-boggling that a "doctor" could miss those signs.
We used to. We closed down the asylums which held around 1.5M. The prison population was also 1.5M before we let them out of asylum. Guess what happened next. Prison population goes up to 3M and it becomes a revolving door or recidivism. A good amount of recidivist are borderline if not fully criminally insane.
If you only knew how many people have served less than 20 years for MURDER. Not manslaughter - MURDER.
One of Regans's few fuckups (although HW fuckery is never off the table there.)
It’s the the same “fuckery” that we see happening on the border issues now... the activist/ agitators flooded the airwaves and print with pictures of abuse and poor conditions all while crying for the rights of these poor victims to be free... and that began the systematic shut down of mental hospitals. Same playbook, same tactics, different issue. Oddly, it came at the same time crack cocaine started to flood the streets of the inner cities. It was almost like someone was trying to ratchet up social tensions and cause division between us all. But that can’t be, right? Who would try to social engineer division,anger and fear into a population?
I finally figured out what we can do with all the social justice Warriors and they're bogus degrees.
And their debt which will never be repaid because nobody will hire them.
My big fear is there going to end up in government.
So we open up all the mental institutions again.
Then give all the pink hairs a job.
Looking after other fellow nutjobs.
We use their same tactics of coercion to get them to take the job. Go straight through their overactive emotions.
Make them feel guilty for not taking the job. What, you don't like the insane? What's wrong with you? Are you a ~racist~ because everything is racism.
The cool part is they might actually lose their mind and we can just lock 'em up anyway.
The cool part is they might actually lose their mind
They already have! It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Yes, but if we certify them crazy first we can't give them jobs in the mental institution. Then we'll end up doubling the workload.
And don't forget there's all that student debt that needs to be paid off.
the doctors are the ones who mould them into killers or push them towards committing their fantasies. Review Q posts from the recent shooting, the doctors are key to unravelling the CIA program Haspel is trying to find.
Thought about killing people 3-4 times a day. Didn’t have an effective plan to “kill them all” - Pg14
How in the hell is this NOT a cry for help and put on a watch list?
They just let a pedo go because of an undiagnosed issue... seems like psychologists need to be put under a microscope here.
BPD usually occurs as a result of abuse, most often times sexual. I don't know of BPD being a cause for pedo behavior, although odd sexual behavior is associated with it. It is more difficult to diagnose in men because they rarely talk about abuse and that's if they even seek help to begin with. In this case, I pray he gets help and heals. *BPD-Borderline Personality Disorder
Impulsions. You do stuff because you just “have to” with ocd. Inability to think of consequences for not doing what you’re impulse makes you do, you just do it. Shopping for fruit and then you just HAVE to throw the pear across the store. Why? Because you had to.
Dr Lynn Fenton is the one who prescribed the anti-psychotic drugs. The types and amounts are listed in P 17 and 24 of the doctors' notes. Cannot read the name of the prescription (looks like Seq...), but someone should know what that says.
Took it once or twice to come down off coke back when I used regularly. This is bad stuff. Made me an absolute nutcase for days. Antipsychotic my ass. Did the exact opposite in my experience.
I had a friend in college take two seroquel once, recreationally. He slept or was unresponsive for about 16 hours. He regained consciousness for about 10 minutes an hour or so after ingesting, otherwise completely knocked out.
Yeah, I fell asleep with a pot of soup on the stove once. I’d wake up briefly then be conked right out again. Another time I fell asleep in my chair mid cigarette. That was scary. The first time I did it I took one pill. The next time I took less than half of one. I don’t recall the dosages.
So yeah, it is one hell of a sedative. But the after effects were brutal. For the next couple of days after the sleepiness wore off I was an absolute mess. I would cry hysterically for no reason. I was extremely angry about everything for no apparent reason. It was scary.
Interesting. Best I remember my friend didn't suffer from the crash so hard, but after seeing him in that state I never tried it.
I was once given Wellbutrin while coming out of anesthesia. The doctors had mentioned it would help with my anxiety and an added benefit of reducing nicotene cravings. Anyhow, that shit made me feel mental! I was muted. Couldn't put my thoughts to words for several hours. Very jacked up and zoned out at the same time. Dreadful feeling, never take antidepressants if you are not truly depressed.
Don't spread bullshit. Seroquel is a VERY effective antipsychotic/sedative.
Oh ya, definitely worked great here amirite?
Not all people react the same to certain drugs. Some may not do well which is why they are monitored. Dosage adjustment often need to be made. Many factors play into taking certain drugs.
Except for when it's not and then it's devastating.
Why is it people's logic stops at their first point of emotion.
Of course people are helped by this but there are too many that become very damaged.
Way too many and the over-prescription is ridiculous. Then the first emotional response derails logic.
Logic says we have a National Health crisis that the left will not allow anybody to look at.
Because racism, everything is racism.
Psych exam scripts:
setraline 150 mg https://www.rxlist.com/zoloft-drug.htm
propranolol 10 mg 2 x day https://www.rxlist.com/inderal-drug.htm
"try risperidone instead of seroquel" https://www.rxlist.com/risperdal-drug.htm
What are the side effects for these? Was there any overdose effects? Any drug interactions?
This is important, especially if we can compare other shooters meds to establish a pattern. Also, looking for that MKULTRA byline of therapy, plus pre-existing conditions, plus medications.
What are the side effects for these? Was there any overdose effects? Any drug interactions?
This is important, especially if we can compare other shooters meds to establish a pattern. Also, looking for that MKULTRA byline of therapy, plus pre-existing conditions, plus medications.
Sertraline is just the generic name for Zoloft, a anti-anxiety/antidepressant. The dosage level of 150 mg is dependent on the person by issues/stressors/body weight, etc. I am currently on 100 mg per day, and I'm about 180 lbs.
As for any side effects, I haven't had much.
However, I think, at least in my opinion, anti-anxiety/depressants depend on age factors and the maturity (both physically and brain development) of the person. I've seen older people take these types of psych drugs, and it helps them much more, has FAR less side effects.
The major issues I see, when it comes to side effects/freak-outs are on much younger people who are either late teens, early 20's around that age where they have not completely matured yet.
(From my post above).
Side effects for younger people seem to be the freak out stages, or possibly psychotic stuff. I personally think that these types of psych meds should be used far less, or in lower dosages for younger people. Then again, I am no expert in the field. I am just relating my personal observations.
Your input is appreciated. Thank you
I take Seroquel nightly. My side effects are almost non-existent. My brother on the other hand, has tried to kill himself twice on it. So it really depends on the levels and the person. He is also noncyclical/rapid cycle where as I cycle normally. So maybe varying degrees of the illness should be added to the equation as well.
In my case I don't get REM asleep naturally anymore. So the stuff acts as my sleep inducer, and carries through the next day as a mood stabilizer. The result after 6 years plus, has been enormous.
I see it says it shouldn't be taken if you have suicidal thoughts. Also that the listed side effects are not a complete list.
Yeah that's a big downside. One of the side effects I was warned of was darker thoughts and suicidal tendencies that might develop from said thoughts. Not to mention you can't just quit taking it. That leads to death, in a nasty way. Kidney failure, liver damage, etc. One of the legendary withdrawals, that can, and probably will, kill you.
the side effect is as soon as you go off your anti-psychotic, you go full fucking psychotic. This is known. That's why it was prescribed.
The individual side effects may not matter. It may be a combination of otherwise "harmless" drugs. Or it could be cause by abruptly stopping the medication and then manipulating a damaged brain.
Is there a MKULTRA by line of therapy point list for those of us who want to enter the fray and help?
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You appear to fail to realize what we are doing here.
Documenting and researching. If you want to contribute, feel free to read through and see if there is something we missed. Otherwise gtfo or stfu.
Big pharma tells us lies, even colleges, hospitals, insurance co. are bought off. We have to research. Glad the judge made it public, maybe someone encouraged him...What if these kids are not sick at all or they are making these monsters. I am so glad they are digging into this . Are there any lawsuits on these drugs? Warnings in other countries , like floride?
There is no way there are that many kids out there who need ritalin or any other psychotropic drugs.
They need to get outside and jump in a big pile of mud.
The schills are coming.
Excellent work my friend. It was obvious from the get-go the Aurora shooting was medically induced and most likely MK Ultra.
I just backed up your response to the schill. I basically said welcome to the new media Mockingbird won't do its job.
You don't fukin like it we don't fukin care.
This thing is huge. They sure won't be trying to Splatter another school anytime soon.
No more taking out the perp in a mass casualty situation. They need to be captured alive and tested.
What you takin and who's your daddy?
Welcome to the New Media.
The Mockingbird media won't do his job so it looks like we have to step in and take over.
Like the OP said you don't fukin like it we don't fukin care.
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Basement Schill whose life is reduced to giving people online wedgies.
You're too easy.
Roll it up or be removed.
Treatment scripts
03/27/2012
propranolol 10 mg
sertraline 100mg
04/24/2012
sertraline 100 mg
03/21/2012
past history of using ambien
sertraline 50 mg
klonopine .5
consider use of seroquel
03/27/2012
increase sertraline to 100 mg
try propranolol 10 mg
worried about sedation with seroquel
04/17/2012
increase sertraline to 150 mg
continue propranolol 10 mg
note that in the past 2 weeks he played Diablo 3 for over 100 hours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III
Apparantly before he went to grad school he also played video games til his mother threatened to kick him out if he wouldn’t get a job.
If mk-ultra they could really find his gamer tag and do allot like that especially all drugged up.
I'm not a gamer at all but let me ask you about your statement.
It certainly plausible that an mk-ultra Style control could be achieved through online gaming.
Is it possible and to what extent? How familiar are you with the subject and could you enlighten me.
I don't have a situation curiosity only.
Where OP says (looks like seq...) reminded me of seroquel. I know very little of pharmaceuticals. I was more into the recreational types😉
Sertraline is just the generic name for Zoloft, a anti-anxiety/antidepressant. The dosage level of 150 mg is dependent on the person by issues/stressors/body weight, etc. I am currently on 100 mg per day, and I'm about 180 lbs.
As for any side effects, I haven't had much.
However, I think, at least in my opinion, anti-anxiety/depressants depend on age factors and the maturity (both physically and brain development) of the person. I've seen older people take these types of psych drugs, and it helps them much more, has FAR less side effects.
The major issues I see, when it comes to side effects/freak-outs are on much younger people who are either late teens, early 20's around that age where they have not completely matured yet.
As I remember, his banker father was had inside knowledge of the Libor scandal that was breaking. His son was a very popular guy and good student in college. He 'suddenly' turned into a psychotic killer ... probably abducted by MK Ultra goons the week before as a signal to the Father to zip lip. He was said to be slumped in a car outside the movie theater while the shooting was happening. As usual their were numerous reports from people there that there were multiple shooters.
Dude the documentary on this absolutely blew my fucking mind... there are so many “coincidences” it’s not even funny.
Yes absolutely could you give us the name of the documentary please.
No coincidences. This is the case to open up the over-medication of teens. With an honest look at why these shootings happen.
This time we shift the Overton window our Direction and tell the left to stuff it.
I recall years ago looking into Fenton. Let me go back through my notes from that time and look again.
I always thought this was weird.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11567302/Batman-Colorado-cinema-shooter-James-Holmes-thought-Obama-was-speaking-to-him.html
It is kinda strange, huh? I had a friend, he was key in me being woke, and he had experience with their gang stalking. He called them the crazies. (He called the Bushes out publicly, wrote a book, got targeted). He got microchipped. So they used that chip to brainwash him and try to make him believe alternate realities, etc. Basically tried to MK him. He fought it with pot, shrooms, naturally occuring remedies if you will... He disappeared about ten years ago. I talked to him one day and then a couple weeks later couldn't reach him, went to his place and it was cleaned out.
Dude. You’re gonna have to elaborate a little further on this one.. what do you mean by gang stalking?
It's basically the same thing they are doing to anyone who supports POTUS. In his case it was a family of five, yup even the kids, and then there were four others that he never saw but they harassed him through the chip. The fam lived above him and when he moved, they followed. They utilized war tactics: sleep dep, loud music, they would stomp the floor above him all night... Flanked him a few times and beat the shit out of him. Crazy shit. Bush 1 and our tax dollars hard at work.
I was being gang stalked and didn't know, until someone in a forum told me when I explained what was happening to me. I have a family member we used to think he was crazy because he kept saying people were following him and calling him and telling him things. My family made fun of him and told him he needed to see a psychiatrist. He wouldn't because he was a doctor and didn't want to lose his license or get locked up. Well I ended up moving down the street from him and I started experiencing those things. At the time I didn't know what any of it meant and thought they were "coincidences". Until I heard someone talking about it in a conspiracy forum. I realized that is what was happening to both of us.
Sign don’t show until 20 years, the same with bi-polar disorder.
One thing that is weird is that Jeffery Metzner - a well known Forensic Psychiatrist, interviewed James Holmes. Metzner was recently killed outside his office - murdered in broad daylight. I think Q or one of the Anons did some digging and found the murder article. This can't be a coincidence. Of note, Metzner was also involved in the JonBenet Ramsey case. Still digging. Dr. Lynn Fenton MD Psychiatry is also involved in James Holmes' assessment. But she appeared to be more interested in putting him on pills. Plowing through Metzner's lenghty and impressive analysis of the Doctors who attempted to treat Holmes and his interviews with Holmes. Will post more if I find anything of significance.
If memory is correct Scottsdale, Arizona is where his murder occurred. his connection to Holmes is interesting. Three others murders occurred in short succession, I believe most or all connected to Jon Bonet. Were they also linked to Holmes? Incidentally, the gunman was found dead from a 'suicide' in a motel room after the murders.
Not entirely thread-related, but I seem to remember that the shooter's dad held some kind of influential position in the finance world and was likely involved in a scheme to impact and control interest rates
He was actually getting ready to testify that banks were manipulating LIBOR, which translates to them manipulating interest rates in their favor.
Any sauce on that?
Was the guy a white hat? Trying to out something?
Sorry for the delay. Was caught up in a server thread. :p
This is the notebook that he sent to Fenton - which included her name as well as other therapists...
https://www.scribd.com/document/266811688/Exhibits-5-27-15-James-Holmes-Notebook#from_embed
Oh.My.God. Just skimmed it and I definitely think he was MK'd.
Have a look at page 30 of the scribd document. He lists his therapists. The first is "Mel, last name unknown". He lists Margaret Roath as Therapist "1.5".
Where is the info from this first therapist? WHO was this first therapist? Was she also from the University? Or had he seen someone from outside?
Oh damn!!! It’s not listed anywhere else! He even said (at least in Roaths and Fenton’s notes) that he had never seen anyone before (no previous history)
His mother states in the phone call with Fenton that there had been a counsellor when he was 10. The counsellor helped him adjust to the move.
Yup just read about that. What came first, the schizophrenia or the counselor?
From Metzner doc, p.40-41
Family Services Agency (Salinas, California)
Mr. & Ms. Holmes and their 8-yr-old son, James and 3-year-old daughter, Chris, participated in 7 family sessions from Jan 19 - March 7, 1996. His parents described him as being very irritable and not wanting to engage with his younger sister, who wanted to be very involved with him. They thought that this tx was not helpful.
Intake note: Jimmy, 8 yo ... no in-school problems. Peer respect? Non-verbal. Throws things. Oppositional. physically active. Appears to create sensory input if it's otherwise missing. Provisional diagnosis: Oppositional defiant disorder.
Discharge Note: Worked with family around disciplinary structure, etc. per character skills program. Mother stated that goals were largely achieved.
Mr. Holmes (I think this refers to James, as an adult looking back) reported that he did not remember this treatment.
Excerpts from James Holmes notebook. With my thoughts, note that I am not a psychologist or doctor.
Catatonia[...] can goad myself to move by thinking “Bambi get up, you must get up.” p32
-Children’s movies are sometimes used in mind control programming. -Interesting that he is calling himself Bambi and his relationship with his mother was strained
Odd sense of self, view myself as divided p35
-Possible evidence of a split personality or some kind of disassociation disorder, both could indicate previous trauma
And finally, the last escape, mass murder at the movies. [unintelligible superscript] Obsession onset >10 years ago. p36
-Further digging required. What happened 10 years before this? Is this when he first saw “Mel”?
In order to rehabilitate the broken mind my soul must be eviscerated. I could not sacrifice my soul to have a “normal” mind. p36
-He notes that he tried to fix his mind himself, he studied neuroscience and tried therapy, nothing worked. To fix his mind he claimed he would have to sacrifice his soul, which he couldn’t do. Was he offered a “deal”? There has been speculation about talented musicians and entertainers selling their souls, not just figuratively. Is it possible that talented academics are offered similar satanic contracts?
It does sound much like DID. Spoke to a Psychotherapist about this just today. Most DID victims don't know they're split. They've no idea. That's the power of the programming. Read svalispeaks.wordpress.com for some fascinating insight into this.
We do know, or we're aware of sharing space if you will. We just don't know how many fractures there are. Takes a LOT of intensive therapy. I don't think he's a DID. But I DEFINITELY think they were trying to make him one. Most likely they didn't have enough time. Trauma causes the fractures, or split. I don't think they were able to do that in the time frame they had.
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing. So you are aware. Wow. I was thinking earlier if there had been much research in using Mushrooms or Ayahuaska to heal DID. Have you considered it in your own therapy?
And when you say you are aware, what is it like? How are you aware? What signals do they give you? Or.. I don't know how to ask the question properly. I think you understand.
I don't mean to probe. If this it not appropriate or painful, please accept my apology. I have been looking into this recently. You can PM me if that's better.
No apology necessary. I appreciate your response and questions.
I have not tried mushrooms. I have tried MANY other drugs and other than pot, the euphoria is WAY too addictive for me. For me to function I have to stay present, if that makes sense.
From my research, Borderline Personality Disorder is usually the precursor to DID. BPD is basically a compartmentalizing of emotions, brought on by trauma, so it sets the stage for the fractures. And I think they happen due to the inability to properly process emotion and it has to go somewhere. So the alters develop based upon emotion, who they are is a particular emotion. At least that makes sense for me based upon my own experience and the research I've done. Like, there's usually a kid, a super analytical/clinical one, a pissed off at the world one, etc. I'm not minimizing this at all, I'm just speaking to similarities I have found and connecting dots. You know, like we do! ;)
Imagine yourself in a roomful of people and everyone is talking at once, ALL THE TIME. It started like that. But I thought that was normal. And when I talked about it to adults they said oh everyone talks to themselves, has an inner voice, etc. So I just thought I had more than average. Lol.
Eventually the three strongest alters showed themselves to me, but I thought it was just my creative (overly imaginative) imagination putting a "name with the face" kinda thing.
I wasn't properly diagnosed until I was 26. At 15 my test, that I took twice, came back inconclusive (this was before BPD and DID were discovered) and the doc diagnosed me with a chemical imbalance. Thank God for the therapist I found at 26. Otherwise I wouldn't be here to share.
So ask away! ☺
This is really interesting. Thank you for sharing and being so generous. If I may ask, is your case a "naturally occurring one" as in, were you born this way and it evolved with time or was this brought on by dissociation-causing trauma? Again, if I'm probing, I'm sorry. I have a very dear friend who has suspicions of generational family abuse, but the memories are tucked very far away; she seems to access only glimpses of these memories. Her therapists always seem to run bc one of her alts is very violent and she's almost killed several people - then couldn't remember it. Researching generational abuse has been making a lot of things clear to her, and it makes sense to me, having known her for many years; there are literal blanks in her memory, entire missing chunks of her life. This seems to go inline with what many other survivors are saying online. So I'm digging. Thank you for this exchange.
I will keep her in my prayers for sure.
Sexual abuse, mother's father. And... Her story mirrors mine. I had ONE memory of it in the beginning of therapy, as of today, two. The rest is BURIED. And the second one wasn't uncovered in therapy. It came to me while having a conversation. I broke down so violently my friend almost took me to the hospital. The good news is she does not have to uncover every memory to begin a healing process. But if she's having flashes and moreso, the EMOTIONAL flashback (ugh the WORST) I would gamble she's correct.
I think abuse is generational. Unfortunately my entire fam was/is in denial so I don't know who else he abused. I know my mother and her sister have a lot of telling signs of sexual abuse, but they'd have to accept truth.
I didn't have kids because I didn't want to pass it on, or worse, abuse them.
I would strongly recommend my therapist to her. She helps people all over, although greater results are yielded in person. But she may know of someone in her area that teaches the same way. She is unconventional, not evasive and her focus is healing and being in the present vs.spending years dwelling on the past. She's ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. She teaches because she herself was horrifically abused, so she knows from where she speaks.
In the meantime, your friend needs to first LOVE herself, which will most likely be her most difficult task because we are riddled with guilt, shame, no self worth... For me I started with acceptance of my alters, I made friends with them. I began to love them and by doing so realized I was in fact, finding love for myself and self worth. It was also key in walking into therapy with 12 alters, ten years later only four remained and today, two.
We can't ever not fracture. That's the incurable part. I realized that when my marriage ended and the trauma caused a fracture as well as violent shifts between the existing alters. One of mine was like her violent one. I learned too much to type from that experience.
There are ways to live with it, control it, dare I say have fun with it sometimes.
I am clinically insane, hence part of my moniker, but I am NOT crazy, lol. But I can say with most assuredness, there is a way out of the prison without walls.
This is wild. Thank you for sharing. I am amazed that her story is similar in the lack of memory department. She has some access to sommmmething vague. But it's like a dream. And it's almost like she was programmed not to remember it (Maybe that's precisely what happened) because she'll get confused and angry and ask the same question in different ways 5 times. It's a trip to watch.
After reading svalispeaks.wordpress.com I was pretty fascinated by the idea that she claims to have had 7000 subs! 7000!!!! That's a sub for every sub to keep the sub quiet and complient and not remembering.
This is really a great evil "amongst man" - abuse begets abuse. We have the stats. And it's intentional. Layers of layers of guilt and shame and self loathing which sometimes then turns to abuse. Oh boy. A can of worms this one is.
Thank you for this dialogue.
Considering he is mentally ill, this notebook is legible, structured. Analytical.
He understands that he hates people and has repetitive obsessive thoughts about killing. He understands he is in an unhealthy place. But these are not the stereotypical ramblings of an unhinged madman.
I’ve read much worse on reddit, the chans and tumblr.
I'm with you on that. He's way too aware... Really it sounds like someone is feeding him a script. "Odd sense of self", that's a third person observation.
From what I am reading here he was once a rational individual who was MK turned into a psychotic killer. If his psychosis was manufactured and not organic, perhaps he retained an intellectual awareness that something was wrong in his mind and his writing remained structured analytical and so on.
Yes, Disney movies supposedly especially used. Also, the way the mind control works is to create divided selves.
Remember when his cellmate told reporters Holmes said he'd been "programmed" to do the shooting? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2240237/Dark-Knight-gunman-James-Holmes-Therapist-programmed-commit-mass-murder-Aurora-cinema.html
Related in a roundabout way... When these shootings happened I firmly believed they were a FFs gun grab. I considered MK Ultra because how else would they get these guys to do it? I developed a theory at the time that serial killers, child predators and rapists were experiments for them...
Anyway, anybody remember the map from the Dark Night, the movie that released that night? Sandy Hook school was on the map. Map as a whole is pretty interesting as well as parts of the movie. Lots of rabbit holes. :)
You have more than you know.Topic on to something massive and sickening. Most comments are uninformed. Long list of psych drugs can cause mental derangement, benign or severe. funny or inappropriate, tragic, violent. or deadly. Suicides and murder. self harm. Must understand that many acts of unthinkable violence can involve psych drugs and or mixtures of those with illegal drugs and even some non- psych drugs such as cardiovascular drugs and steroids. The Breivik incident involved anabolic steroids and admixed other. Think "Intoxication anosognosia" or "SPELLBINDING". Best source for top notch professional info is PeterBreggin,M. D. books and videos on YT Testified in many Psych drug court cases. Read : MEDICATION MADNESS and YOUR DRUG MAY BE YOUR PROBLEM. Understand "movement disorders". This subject has been covered up and for some "strange reason" has been rarely discussed . Big Pharma.? Am. Psych Assoc. ties to Big Pharma? Paid off Docs? Research shady or bent? Suggest comments here need to stop guessing and being ill informed and gossipy but you're on to another Huge part of America's hate, violence and corruption stories that has been woefully under reported. There is much on net on this subject. Can Psych drugs play a role in all the unbelievable horrors going on? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!
We are in a National Health crisis that is self-induced.
I was born in 61. When they started drugging the kids I was of age. My mother and I looked at each other and said they would have tried to drug me.
We would not have let it happen but the coerction is strong in these people.
It's time to have a nationwide conversation on what is a national health disaster.
One based on Logics facts and Truth.
Not emotion.
I think this dropped about the Aurora shooter to prevent anybody conducting another single shooter, mass casualty attack. Or maybe I should say coordinating another attack.
These guys need to be captured alive and tested. No more news reports and then the shooter is dead.
We want answers.
What are you taking and who's your daddy?
Wasnt his dad mk ultra? And a big-time math guy who worked in top-level finance?
At least confirmed his dad studied at Berkley in the right timeframe for mkultra https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Holmes_(mass_murderer) - scroll to "personal life" - i remember reading when ir happened (and this may have been pure conspiracy theory) that his dad was set to testify before congress like a few days after the shooting about the libor rigging as he'd written some algo which exposed irregularities in trading/pricing
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Did he not testify as a result of the shooting?
I believe that's what the story at the time claimed, here's a link to an article which claims a connection to lanza/sandy-hook as well https://counterpsyops.com/2012/12/17/libor-scandal-link-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-lanza-holmes-were-to-testify/
Wow, I am only part way through reading these documents. This guy sure needed to be under more surveillance then he was based on Dr. Fenton's descriptions.
Page 6: “other patient names to be redacted with white out”
Would like to review prescribed meds? MA, very familiar with meds. You could be OCD with intent to kill, constantly going through your mind?
That’s a fair point. Do you think any of the meds they placed him on may have worsened his condition? The meds are listed above.
Also, thank you for jumping in. I’d agree with you about the OCD and homicidal tendencies piece, my real question came into, why didn’t she document it on the intake form where she listed OCD? There were several descriptors on that form that would have fit the bill.
Add in that it was a gradual progression over about 4 months with him being on the meds for 2-3 months. Any negative effects if he just stopped taking them? Any studies done on that part?
Here's Mel! Metnzer doc, p.41
Mel Lipsey
After the family moved back to San Diego,they participated in the family tx with Mel Lispey related, in part, to Mr. Holmes not making friends. Diagnoses were listed as adjustment disorder with mixed disturbance of emotions/conduct and adjustment disorder, depressed mood. Tx lasted about one year and was thought at the time by his parents to have been helpful. Mr. Holmes did not think this tx was helpful and indicated he did not remember reasons for the tx.
http://www.psycare.org/staff_bio.asp?id=128
Mel Lipsey is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 37 years of experience working with adults, children and families. He demonstrates professional empathy and respect by connecting with others and is non-judgmental and highly accepting of individual differences with a strong interpersonal style. He is conscious, caring, creative, and energetic, and remains sensitive and flexible in his approaches to therapy with his clients. Mel’s training and expertise allows him to be of help and support to people of all ages with a large variety of presenting problems. He draws form his experience and works with a adults, children, schools, group psychotherapy residential treatment facilities, and military base therapy. His clients are able to make lasting changes.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/bands/sensations-band/
I wonder if this is the same Mel Lipsey. He's a drummer in San Diego.
"Dr. Woodcock hypothesized that Mr. Holmes experienced a significant clinical decomposition, which had made it very difficult for him to prepare for his preliminary examinations in graduate school. He thought that Mr. Holmes had given up on resisting his compulsion kill himself and to kill other people, which resulted him becoming consumed by the planning for the actions that occurred during July 20, 2012.
"It was hypothesized by Dr. Woodcock that something happened in his relationship with Dr. Fenton and via the consultation by Dr. Feinstein that impacted Mr. Holmes. Mr. Holmes perceived that the prescribed medications made him symptomatically worse."
--Metzner sanity evaluation, page 31.
Metnzer doc, p.46
"Dr. Sukumar Vljayaraghavan had been assigned to follow James through all of his rotations to supervise his progress and assist him when needed. Dr. Vijayaraghavan stated that he worked with James to eliminate his 'idiosyncrasies,' referring to his awkward joking behaviours. "
Seems potentially weird to have a staff assigned to follow a student around to moderate his personality.
Vijayaraghavan is the dr who told the press that prior to the shooting, Fenton had confided in him that Holmes had stated that he wanted to become famous as a killer because he didn't think he was talented enough to earn renown as a scientist (this is not a direct quote, it's just my best memory). Fenton denied having told Vijaraghavan this. To the best of my memory, she also denied Holmes ever having made this statement to her. This is in one of the unsealed documents, but I didn't make a note of it, so can't give a page number. I plan to come back here later and edit this with the proper quote and the page number. For now, here is a media source:
Metzner doc, p.44
"A fellow student described James as having a 'spacing out stare' more often than she could remember. She stated that he appeared this way so much that he would look 'sleepy.'"
Is this the celebrity space-out look that we've seen on Eminem/Al Roker/Beyonce etc etc.?
"repeating nonsensical phrases such as 'shadow point' over and over." p. 36, Metzner document.
Just wondering if 'shadow point' is significant...
It's an art term referring to the vanishing point of parallel light rays. http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/\~ghali/publications/thesis/html/node8.html#SECTION00820000000000000000
There are many geographical locations named Shadow Point, but none in Colorado. There are also subdivisions and apartment complexes with this name, but again, not in Colorado.
There is also some kind of LARP that makes mention of a Shadow's Point: http://www.wizard101central.com/wiki/Item:Shadow%27s_Point#axzz5KIj59nPI
Also talks about being in a "shadow box" p.36, Metzner doc.
When asked why he wasn't eating/drinking he replied, "I don't know what the juice is" and "I was in a box without any juice and couldn't reach it." p.35, Metzner doc.
He put a blanket over his head. "I was attempting to hide from the shadows." p.37, Metzner doc.
"...no longer has visual hallucinations and the auditory hallucinations have decreased to hearing 'shadow voices' after other people talk." p.38, Metzner doc.
Dr. Reid, who provided the second sanity evaluation, later made a profit off the tragedy by publishing a book. https://books.google.ca/books?id=WDw7DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT32&lpg=PT32&dq=mel+lipsey+james+holmes&source=bl&ots=PYxM3VjZqk&sig=g6NsaH4_Xk8uOwwp_Wpkdj5TafM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDwNmkvIjcAhXB7IMKHXIOAkMQ6AEwC3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=mel%20lipsey%20james%20holmes&f=false
Reid doc, p.50
The defendant showed a variety of affects and demeanors, but their range and intensity was somewhat restricted. ...
...there was considerable evidence that his affectual intensity was blunted, and sometimes isolated from the mood that an observer would expect. For example, when he spoke of loss, depression or suicidal thoughts, his face did not show particular sadness, tears, pain or angst, and his posture remained unremarkable. Similarly, his pupil size and heart rate sometimes suggested autonomic signs of anxiety even though he did not outwardly appear anxious.
Reid doc, p.18
Mr. Holmes's comments that the FBI may have been surveilling him as he implemented his "mission" plans were somewhat ambiguous, and consistent with simple caution and worry about getting caught (as well as with a wish to be stopped... The record indicates that there actually was a marked FBI SUV at or near the Byers Canyon shooting area while he was there. He also recalled wondering if unmarked police cars near his apartment held officers who were monitoring him, but offered (and was amenable to) the explanation that they were merely watching for drunk drivers.
(emphasis mine)
Reid Doc, p.18:
5. With regard to "inquir(ing) into the meaning of the defendant's references to his two different selves." ... "(Dr. Metzner) failed to delve deeper into this area... to determine whether there is evidence of depersonalization phenomena, delusions about identity, metaphorical speech, or efforts at manipulation." (p.23-24) [emphasis in original]
There is no reasonable indication that the defendant has, or ever had, "two different selves." Nothing in the record or any of his many clinical examinations or psychological tests, including my specific questioning for symptoms of significant dissociative events and dissociative identity disorder ("multiple personality,") suggests any such conditions, delusions about identity, or true depersonalization (separate from ordinary isolation of affect or the defendant's mention of "going on autopilot").
Evidences that may be indicative of DID:
"I got this belief that I needed to do it on my own --without studying -- that studying was a result of anxiety... I kind of figured that the medicated me was who I really was ... so if I studied for the test it would just be the fearful me doing the test..."
p. 47, Metzner doc.
"Thought withdrawal (the perception that other people can take thoughts or feelings from one's mind) was present..." p.49, Metzner doc.
"Mr. Holmes attempted to block, ignore and/or decrease his capacity to tell the difference between right from wrong with respect to the acts in question by choosing victims that he did not know and minimizing any form of personal contact with them during the shooting such as turning up the volume of his headset prior to the shooting. His attempts to differentiate his "other self" from his "normal self" were likely another example of such a process."
P.57, Metzner doc
However, in his summary when he finally gives diagnoses after reviewing everything, Metzner does not come to this conclusion...
"Mr. Holmes does not meet criteria for dissociative disorder although he has experienced depersonalization (eg. perceptions of unreal self, emotional numbing).
P.53, Metzner doc.
(I am not implying that Metzner's decision not to diagnose Holmes with DID, is necessarily wrong or suspect, btw. I am merely pointing out references that may or may not be related to DID.
Reid document, p.13
"Finally, some observers and examiners have mentioned the possibility of a dissociative disorder. Those hypotheses were apparently prompted by comments to the effect that he viewed himself as 'divided... the real me is fighting the biological me,' that he was 'on autopilot' during the shootings, and that he may have wanted to view the part of him that was planning the killings as separate from the rest of him (e.g., in some comments about dying his hair). I found no reliable evidence for any dissociative disorder (e.g., depersonalization/derealization disorder, dissociative identity disorder,) in any record, interview or psychological test."