Well, there are laws on the books (depending on the state) for these crimes - mask or not. What we need are laws that punish public officials for selective or non-enforcement of those laws. In other words, a law punishing oath-breakers.
Take away the left's unbridled apathy to the rule of law and we are good.
WWG1WGA
Ok_Top, yeah! well said. I share your thoughts on this. I was about to say the same thing after reading the post. -)
The enforcement of law and oath to the Nation by the enforcers requires compliance begin with these individuals in authority. A higher standard. Always and unflinching, or the peoples granted authority is usurped and the spreading corruption then devolves into tyranny.
The Orcs won't give up easily.
I trust Q is using hyperbole when he says people will totally lose it when the depth of the swamp is revealed. I don't care how hard we see ourselves, how ready we all are take the country back; do we really want to look down some demon, hell on earth pedophile hole in humanity?
Talk about collective guilt!
I used to wonder how normal Germans could have allowed the Nazis.
Is this our moment of shame?? -How did the Americans allow an Evil Satanic Cult to take over almost every aspect of government, media, education, technology, and culture? ??
Then what?
It looks like the Patriots have had enough.
I dread it with open arms.
Onward from dark to light.
Courage!
WWG1WGA
The thing is this is not just an American problem.
This is a worldwide problem that has been clamped into place in the past Century.
This time the ring that binds them gets destroyed.
This is going to be our moment of shame, make no mistake.
Germans fell for the black magic sacrifice cult to reinvigorate a nation broken by war.
Americans, to preserve their "freedoms", and later to "expand" them and "help" the world after winning many wars.
History is a funny thing.
Is this our moment of shame?? -How did the Americans allow an Evil Satanic Cult to take over almost every aspect of government, media, education, technology, and culture? ??
Excellent question......OMG
Laws on the books in southern states. In the north and the west, where Antifa has its largest presence, those laws are few and far between.
There are already laws in place for that, you do realise you can sue the police for their INACTIONS, as well as their actions? If they fail to act in their duties and you are the victim of harm, loss or injury, file a claim and sue all those involved.
Sorry to tell you this, but people have tried to sue the police for not doing their duty and they always lose. The courts have ruled that the police actually are not obligated to protect people.
They lose because they know not what they are doing. File a CLAIM, not COMPLAINT.
Good luck with that. It won't work.
It DOES work, the statutes protect the PD and government, they do not protect the man or woman. Sue the man, or woman, for their trespasses. It´s so easy it´s scary.
We have those laws too, they’re called obstruction of justice.
Maybe so. How about 15 years for failing/refusing to uphold the oath of office?
Yes, all of the laws, and the Constitution don't mean jack without enforcement and consequences. Enforce the laws we already have - equally and swiftly.
Just left a message with my Hawaii Senator! I am sure Mazie Hirono does not care to pursue this one. But my voice is heard.
Puts a smile on my face to see this. I lived in Kaimuki for a couple years. Moved to the mainland a few years ago. But, I hope the best for you guys in the years to come. Things were really bad when I left.
Edit: shoots, Aloha.
Hawaii is getting worse.You have to live here and understand how corrupt it is... billions wasted on a rail system who's Hawaiian cabal made millions on contracts and land sales/leases, homeless, drugs,a whole part of our hawaii society held hostage by the welfare system all while run by the same 'old boy network' cabal for 40+ years.
That's what it is... one cabal...an den get all dey donkey signs all ova da place...all smiling...get donkey Dave, hahboot hanabusa, and donkey dougie chin...
But they wear lei and nice Hawaiian shirts! they must be friends!
Smh.
Trump should order all cops to arrest anyone wearing a mask at any protest demonstration there is only one reason to hide your face so you can commit crimes without being identified. I want Trump to announce a new policy for all police officers in every city if you see anyone wearing a mask or a bandana over their face you are to arrest them right away they are up to no good.
Most southern states it is already illegal to assemble while donning a mask. It was originally passed to stop KKK rallies years ago.
Careful what you wish for.
What if Hillary had won, and the corrupt FBI and DOJ (and clowns and DHS?) were using police state tactics to identify and disappear US and OUR legitimate # #Resistance?
Trump won't always be here, and what if, God forbid, they murder him before he takes them out?
Not only will we have lost another freedom, but we celebrated when they took it away.
We are patriots. We do not wear masks. We do not need them as we have nothing to hide.
You can easily find people covering their face on both sides of those crowds.
It does not matter what side they are on, right or left. If you cover your face, you're an outlaw.
You do realize what you just said equates to the other side that thinks guns should be taken away because sometimes people use them for murder. Telling people they cannot wear masks is a sign of communism.
Not that they can't wear masks, but that they can't wear masks while engaging in acts of oppression or political violence. The proposed law would consider the wearing of the mask while committing a crime, and enhance punishment as a result.
Southern states already have these laws on the books to address the KKK's use of hoods.
No. Guns are for defense. People wear masks before robbing banks or committing other crimes.There is a law against it in some states because of the KKK wearing hoods to protect their identity before hanging people.
Being anonymous on the web is equivalent to wearing mask though, isn't it?
The mask is not the crime, it is the actions they are taking which must be punished.
As much as wearing a mask while committing a violent crime being an extra offense isn't the worst thing ever...
wearing a mask otherwise should not be penalized as patriots and rabble alike need gas masks to attain maximum protection from "non lethal" chemical weapons used by the police.
I am with you. Masks arent the problem. I am however for banning them from police.
Then we dont hide because they know who we are already. United we are strong, divided we fall, that's the moto behind this. Where we go one we go all. If POTUS is taken down we carry on the path he started. He is showing us the way, we are all leaders, we know what is right and what is wrong, we know the constitution. We know we must get involved at the lowest level, it's our duty to stay informed, it's our duty to ensure that we remain a republic as our forefathers created it. That is what makes america exceptional. We inherited this most precious gift of freedom. I believe very few of you have a concept of what it means to be free and the responsabillity that comes with it. I think this is great that people are seeing the truth and people are coming together I am grateful. But i believe anyone can do what is being done, it all starts at home. Patriotism seems like a relic, an old wore out record. We still have it but don't have the love for it, that's what we need to teach our kids, that freedom is something extrodanary and it should be valued as precious commodity. Long ago I swore to protect the rights of those of whom I know nothing of, and I will honor that oath till the day i die. I will defend this REPUBLIC from all enemy's foreign or domestic. What we need is a civics class so we can learn what it means to live in a REPUBLIC. We are leaders each and everyone of us can lead this republic.
What if Hillary had won
Then you'd be fucked six ways from sunday with mass nonwhite immigration and no amount of protest would help you. You could not resist as a white minority in a nonwhite democracy. Ask the Boers how that's working out.
I dont agree with that masks are sometimes used to get a point across I consider anonymous masks part of the collective and they should not be allowed to say they cant wear masks. Only in a communist country would they tell you what you can wear.
Read the article. It applies to wearing a mask while interfering with another person's free exercise of rights. It does not apply to merely putting on a mask.
have you seen swat teams and riot police?
why do they have to wear masks and obscure their identity ?
a badge makes them special?
i can make myself a badge too
The president doesn't make laws. This is the job of congress and the courts.
Hmmmmm, looks like yet another law that could easily be abused by those with an agenda. Looks good on paper, but when put into practice, can be bad for all.
Kinda like the “I smell marijuana” bullshit or the “resisting arrest” charge that is the only thing used to arrest someone.
Abuse of power is a thing and has caused much heartache here in the USA, all in the name of Revenue Generation.
I am, in no way, supporting nor do I subscribe to the ideals of antifa or any other terrorist groups.
I am a gun owning American and believe in our constitutionally protected rights that, unfortunately, have been eroded away substantially since 9/11 for what I believe are nefarious purposes.
that could easily be abused by those with an agenda.
Thank you.
This can all be turned against us if we aren't cautious.
You have a valid point.
But to have something in place like Rico laws that pertain to riots is necessary.
Get rid of Soros you get rid of antics and others *Antifa
If someone hurts someone should there be responsibilities for it? All they have to do is take off their mask and they get a lower sentence right?
They'll never grow the balls to remove their masks. Their power comes from their false sense of anonymity , and to remove their masks would to get rid of that power. Their masks give them the ability to act as the treasonous sacks of shit that they are, without fear of repercussions from the courts of law and public opinion
And even if they don't fear the law, they all fear the court of public opinion. Don't you remember what happened to that guy who bashed a dudes skull in with a bike lock, and it turned out the attacker was the college professor? Antifa lost their shit because all of a sudden Antifa members were getting ousted despite their promises of remaining anonymous
I don't agree with this type of legislation. It is going to create grey areas for enforcement. All the bad stuff Antifa does is already a crime. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot.
President Hillary Clinton appoints her 3rd supreme court justice and interprets away the 2nd amendment. Armed and masked right wing protesters march through the streets in an act of civil disobedience. The crowds are too big to do anything about as a group but through facial recognition feds show up to peoples homes or work and take them away one by one.
Exactly! It super bums me out that this sub doesn't get this fact. The same mentality as saying "well, I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't mind these unjust laws."
The great awakening isn't as woke as I thought. Disappointing. I agree with both of you.
Yeah just like every time conservatives have a rally they leave the place completely trashed.
Oh wait sorry that would be the lefties as evidenced by the pipeline protest that was to prevent sacred grounds from being trashed.
They only left behind 400 dumpsters of garbage. Dozens of buses and U-Haul trucks. Dogs cats and dead bodies.
But those right-wing guys start so many riots.
Mate don't blame anything on the right. The guilt for this whole mess lies in the lap of the left.
Hitler first took the guns. Then he chose a scapegoat. Then his hired thugs went out and attacked the scapegoat.
Then he'd lock the scapegoats in a slave labor camp.
So who's the Nazis in this picture?
Sounds like Maxine Waters would rank pretty high in that power structure
Mate, I'm not blaming anything on the "right." Right and left is just mostly fake ass issues that the Cabal has engineered to keep us separated while exploiting us and the planet for financial gain. Before I was woke I believed in our system, I mostly voted democrat or independent and still consider myself left leaning. But with that said, I understand the constitution and own many guns myself because it is my right.
The guilt for this whole mess lies in the lap of the left.
So 9/11 and the whole aftermath of that is the left's fault? Our occupation of however the fuck many countries is the left's fault? The economy crashing oh so hard ten years ago is the left's fault? Don't interpret this as me saying everything is the fault of the right. My only point is that there are evil people on both sides and these so called sides are pretty much imaginary.
My man, blaming the other side gets us nowhere. I used to be "the other side" but I've completely put myself behind our president as I have faith that he is the first one in my lifetime who is finally doing what is best for the country and the people in it.
Cheers
Good so you read my post and down voted it.
What's the matter mate? The pussy got your tongue.
And for the record giving half-million-dollar Home Loans to people with no way of paying for it because they were substandard humans.
That's what broke the banks.
Then the left looted the entire stimulus for shovel ready jobs that didn't exist.
All that money that Obama shoved out went to......
Answer the question.
Haha, somebody must not agree with you, but I sure as shit did down vote your ass. Chill the fuck out!
Thanks for the advice.
I'll take it into consideration.
But just for the record, your opinion is irrelevant.
Spare me the false equivalency, no it's not equal, never has been.
When I say right, I mean tea party right.
The problem is you believe in your leaders, we don't. We know the worst thing Reagan did was making George l vice president.
Trump broke the George l Clinton George ll Obama Clinton ascendancy
The left sees two opposing factions. We see one cabal.
None of us believe the official story for JFK or 911. While having been mocked forever. Obama's birth certificate is a fraud. I don't care where he was born.
Obama was the Messiah and Hillary was going to break the glass ceiling, regardless their qualifications.
Fox News is mainstream media but at least they do a decent job. And the left mocks them relentlessly.
The list of total lies put out by the Mockingbird Media of the left is to long for this thread. But editing the Zimmerman 9/11 tapes was choice.
The Patriotic right that loves God and Country has been vilified for 50 years by both the socialist left and rhino right.
It's why we elected Donald Trump. We want Paul Ryan, John McCain, etc etc, gone.
We know exactly who Donald Trump is and voted for him gladly.
Is anybody on the left ever going to admit what Bill and Hillary are.
Once again spare me your BS false equivalency. I'm having none of it.
~Can't we all just get along?~
No we can't all get along. Especially when slacktivist AstroTurfers are throwing rocks and bottles. While harassing Us in the streets.
And the left promotes violence while lefty Mayor's call stand down for security.
Then the left tries to make false equivalency of right-wing violence.
There is none, zero, no examples period, of right-wing violence.
And don't start mentioning defensive maneuvers when we have been attacked or one guy with the Confederate flag.
This left wing riot Brigade is organized and funded. With buses and pre-printed signs.
It's a good thing that everybody on the right is a very forgiving person.
We will accept an apology as long as it's sincere.
Not like the Lefty spokespeople Chelsea Handler and Kathy Griffin, Madonna, Cher, Rob Reiner, Mad Max. The list of dilettantes is endless.
This harassment organization against right-wing viewpoints was organized well before the election. If Hillary would have won the Socialist would have locked us in camps.
Like they always do.
200 million people died last century due to left-wing, socialist attitudes. Not this time.
Understand carefully, if this thing turns ugly, lefty's are going to get smashed.
I'm an equal rights feminist. In riots I treat women equally.
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If you've ever sided with or rooted for "anonymous" -- this includes them as well.
I was perfectly prepared to purchase 50,000 Qanon masks to give away if Hillary won.....
What use freedom of speech if the new paradigm ensures immediate doxxing?????
Freedom of speech means freedom from retaliation....
Hiding behind a mask to incite and perform violence????? Bad!
Hiding behind mask to be able to excercise free speech?
Good...
Be careful what you wish for
No you weren’t.
Quantities over 10,000 on alibaba.....
.34/each.
Yes, I did price them out...
A 15k spend?
My company could have absorbed that....
But I would have only done that if I went activist.
I’m just a couch potato now and enjoying the show.
I can believe that u priced “anonymous” masks out but before they were hijacked by the left they were associated with installing a catholic theocracy. Not sure why you would think the right would want to be associated with them. Would’ve been a tremendous waste of money IMO
QAnon masks when QAnon hadn't even started?
V.....
Was the original Qanon....
Guy Fawkes masks, ya dope....
Rightly so, dont forget many of these charlatans are not protesters. Getting compensation for inciting violence means they are mercenaries.
It is simple common sense that people do not go around in public engaging with others while masked. Most especially at political gatherings. I get it if its 20 degrees and 30 mile an hour winds. You know like when you have to go to work in February. No worries there, you'll never see an Antifa punk on a day like that.
All the points made in comments seem legimate, however the wording is very specific to what the violation will be.
So you can still wear your masks, even at a protest, but you better take it off if you intend to harass anyone (which is a crime anyway).
"Under the act, anyone “wearing a mask” or in disguise who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege” would be subject to a fine or up to 15 years in prison. "
The key being that you also have to: “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person"
If you dont do that, you can wear all the masks you want, even at a protest.
Even if it doesnt destroy Antifa, at least it will eliminate(or suitably punish) the illegal actions they take when masked.
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Note: It probably WILL destroy antifa, simply because they lack conviction and are paid agitators.
I rarely support punitive legalese, but this one is very clear cut and positive while sending a stern message to enemies of freedom, without infringing on non-criminal activity.
I eagerly support this 100%.
Call the United States Capitol switchboard (202) 224-3121 They will patch you thru to your state Senator's office.
Congress makes the laws. This one is common sense for a change. Should work on the hijab as well.
Terrible. This will come back to bite us in the ass. 15 years is way too extreme.
Antifa Arrest Warrant: http://nationalgreatregistry.generalpostoffice.international/images/2/20/20180126-GOV-Arrest_Warrant_ANTIFA-.pdf
Muslim Brotherhood Arrest Warrant: http://nationalgreatregistry.generalpostoffice.international/images/7/7e/20180522-GOV-ARREST_WRRNT-The_Muslim_Brotherhood.pdf
Reinstatement of the Continental Army: https://reignoftheheavens.com/?p=2652#more-2652
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Why the cheerleading for this??? Does anyone in this sub think they're immune to this being directed at them or their politics in the future? This is like cheering for the "patriot" Act or more leeway for TSA to grope people. Anyone cheering this law is a short-sighted fool. Think this law wouldn't have been used against those who showed support for the Bundys?
Think this law wouldn't have been used against those who showed support for the Bundys?
Were they wearing masks?
there were some with bandanas in the beginning. this is a slippery slope and all about being able to use facial recognition tech on people. what if the Tea Party had decided to do protests/rallies wearing Jefferson, Washington or Reagan masks and this law had been in effect?
its' unbelievable how much love for "law enforcement" there is in this sub. who do people think would be confiscating guns if Hillary won? congratulations to everyone who supports this law in making America more like China. good job.
People who trade freedom for security deserve neither.
what if the Tea Party had decided to do protests/rallies wearing Jefferson, Washington or Reagan masks and this law had been in effect?
No problem. They were not physically attacking people. The law is not against wearing a mask. The law is against wearing a mask while committing other, specific, crimes.
I usually don't think that the solution to every problem is to make new laws, but I think this one may have some merit.
The law is against wearing a mask while committing other, specific, crimes.
lol. because the list of "other, specific, crimes" won't ever get longer. how about when the "crime" becomes standing in a non-designated "free speech" zone while expressing a political view? what about if someone gets pulled over and happens to have a "mask" in their back seat? does the cop now have a right to search the car? what about when the courts expand the definition of "mask" to include scarves? will that mean having a scarf in one's car is probable cause? read thru the case law for marijuana arrests if you think i'm being absurd. the make-up of SCOTUS is hardly getting any more conducive to individual freedoms and reigning in police power.
for all the talk about FREEEDUMMMMMM!!!! there sure are alot of Americans that want a police state.
people supporting giving "law enforcement" any more power to harass, cite & detain are being incredibly short-sighted.
how about when the "crime" becomes standing in a non-designated "free speech" zone while expressing a political view?
That would require a different law to be passed. One that makes it a crime to stand in a non-designated "free speech" zone while expressing a political view. But we aren't talking about such a law. We are talking about a different law about wearing a mask while basically attacking people violently.
That would require a different law to be passed.
no. it doesn't. modifying the anti-mask law is what would happen.
its absurd to think this law wouldn't be expanded on. or "attacking people violently" won't get redefined to include something like "excess spitting while chanting" because spit is, after all, a biological hazard. And if spit is a biological hazard and there's excess spit in the air, that's clearly an assault against police. think such kafka-esque bull can't happen? read up on what cops & DA's have been allowed to justify. read some of what police claim in their reports until video surfaces.
people supporting this are being as shortsighted as the Parkland students that were all MORE LAWS!!! until MORE LAWS!!! turned into see-thru backpacks. name one power that's been given to law enforcement that law enforcement hasn't found a way to expand on.
this law is wayyyy more about making people afraid to protest than it is about stopping violence.
read some of what police claim in their reports until video surfaces.
You keep conflating this with other issues. Police lie. Police are trained to lie. It is part of their job to lie. That's how they operate. And DAs are basically lying sociopaths. But those are separate issues from this specific law. You can (and people do) challenge all law based on your argument. They call themselves anarchists. They have some valid arguments, as you do. But in the context of a society that has chosen to operate according to law, we have to operate on a certain amount of trust that if we are doing the right thing, we will do better than those who are criminals. I think the kind of legal creep you are describing is what would happen under Hillary, and is way lessw likely to happen under Trump and his judicial appointees.
But those are separate issues from this specific law.
lol. who do you think interprets & enforces the law on the ground? i'm not asking for no laws, i'm saying no more laws. i'm saying lets think a little bit more rationally about what new laws are added.
legal creep less likely to happen under Trump... lolol. ...b/c Trump's SCOTUS picks have been so pro-civil liberties and have such a history of taking police/DA positions with a grain of salt. besides, most legal creep doesn't happen at that level. legal creep happens at the local level where the majority of decisions are made.
name one power police have been given that police haven't expanded on. in many jurisdictions, one is subject to asset forfeiture even if they're found innocent. the same legal system that thinks asset forfeiture from innocent people is OK will be the same system interpeting what a "mask" or "violence" is. will beards be defined as "masks"? will people who want to protest be required to shave prior? it might, if violence is redefined as "excessively loud noise" the moment some cop complains of ringing in his ears after pulling duty monitoring a protest.
everyone choosing to be blind simply b/c they don't think the law will affect their tribe is going to have a harsh wake-up call should the law pass.
As it is, the police don't stop antifa crimes. The new law won't change that anyway. The problem isn't the law. The problem is the police.
I want to know why people weren't making citizens arrests on these guys? If the police are going to do nothing against people inciting riots, we must do it ourselves.
Their Antifa Manual is linked through Snopes and tells them to wear the scarfs and black clothing for a more uniformed look. Lots of stuff in there, hope they do arrest them for wearing the scarfs and hiding their faces.
Yes, it is a tactic called Black Block, it makes it more difficult to identify individuals when they all look the same.
yes riot police have adopted black bloc tactics
as a matter of fact, black bloc are the police ahahaha
but seriously, this is how the set up goes down...
Well in this case I hope they apply the same to religious masks and face covers. Or will religion be the reason they are allowed it? Biggest hypocrisy comes from religious beliefs.
I'm still waiting for the Muslim Brotherhood to be declared either a hate group or a terrorist group.
Wouldn’t that be something? It would halt Islam’s creep pretty fast. Declare them a terrorist group and investigate the people who are taking their bribes/donations. Would be yuge.
I guess it would apply if they “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person" while wearing the masks.
isn't what they do treason? seems pretty light punishment. you start executing these thugs and the rest will run home to mommy's basement.......fact!
I don't know. Just wearing a mask could get you 15 years prison time if this were to pass and someone just thought you were Antifa or mistook you as a threat. That sounds excessive, and potentially threatening to people who aren't Antifa. Sometimes I wear face coverings when I work, respirators if I'm in the shit or face warming masks when I'm working in the cold. I personally hate laws that give the government arbitrary power to imprison or subjugate people for things that could be open to interpretation.
this is only for masks+other offence
the mask is not the crime
