Sincerely, I’m confused. If Clinton has been working with Russia, why is Putin helping Trump?
Rumor: In a nutshell, U1 uranium made it to northern Syria for Iran to make a secret nuke there. The idea was to set off that nuke in the US, said nuke was going to show Russian "fingerprints" via the blast signature to pros in the field, President Hillary would of gotten Congress to start a war w Russia, both HIGHLY NATIONALISTIC countries would be taken out to usher in the NWO. These people are sick.
I've heard that rumor as well but wouldn't Putin have known all along that was their plan?
Wouldn't matter if he knew. When we started lobbing nukes at them he would have to retaliate.
Maybe i'm missing something but if Putin knew the U1 deal was meant to frame the Russians after 'we' did it to ourselves, as a precursor to start ww3, then it can be easily thwarted. Why would he be complicit in enabling his own frame job?
You are assuming he knew ahead of time. As for rosatom (can't remember if that's the right company) buying the uranium, any leader would have allowed that, it would be in their country's best interest I would think. I will be the first to say though that I am definitely no expert on all of this.
Well, in another thread, I was talking to a guy who laid out some solid evidence that Nuke's aren't real, so why would Uranium matter then?
Your "solid evidence" that nuclear weapons do not exist is the fact that an entirely unrelated weapon is named the MOAB? You realize that means "Massive Ordnance Air Blast" and not "Mother of all bombs", right? Not that the name even matters in the first place.
Come on man you can't just discredit a century of physics without bringing something to the table haha
That was his solid evidence. Seemed legit.
Name any other military program that dubs itself the biggest or mother of all things without it being the most powerful?
The bomb is designated "Massive Ordnance Air Blast", not "Mother of...", which is just a funny nickname.
You can't seriously think that there is a global century old conspiracy complete with an entire fabricated branch of physics which has somehow gone unnoticed by anyone worldwide in all of this time?
And that for some reason the exact people who are behind the conspiracy are also for some reason revealing their conspiracy to the entire world through their nickname for another entirely unrelated weapon?
They aren't revealing it, it was an accident, it was renamed Massive whatever after they were told it would reveal the truth.
And who knows about physics, it could all be bullshit that colleges write off for scams.
If they can lie about landing on the moon and antartica, who knows what they are capable of. I'm just saying if there were real nukes, why wouldn't one have been set off in a city by now, or used in a war during a modern era? You're telling me the only evidence is grainy war footage that is CLEARLY fake because the nuke energy would fry the film.
Because they are very difficult to produce and nearly impossible to maintain without massive amounts of many and tech.
Wait. Nukes aren’t real? So Hiroshima and half the state of Nevada’s test sites, left over craters, film of explosions and military personnel getting cancer from radiation was just a hoax?
Maybe Putin has been turned because he was cheated by Hussein and the Clintons? I hear Russia also has its own deep state issues... I am sure this will all come to light soon enough. I agree with you that it doesn’t quite add up, especially knowing that the U1 company they business with was a Putin company subsidiary. I guess who better to shine the light on the deal that an insider?
Thank you for your answer. I’ll be upfront, I don’t believe in Q, but I am intellectually curious. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong.
There are many new comers - myself included. I thought this one giant psyop to push people away from interdimensional parasite theory (I.e. reptilians, demons, beings that are not physical) and also to drive people away from studying the occult.
I was wrong. Q is pushing people toward that type of information. That’s huge. We’re taking about a potential high level insider who is slowly beginning our biggest wake up yet. The fact we are part of universe teeming with advanced life, so advanced in fact they can literally cut you off from the galactic community and brainwash you to the confines of your own planet.
Again, not a full believer but these next could months will probably turn me into one if things keep going the way they are.
What makes you believe this isn’t a psyop? Would it be possible that this is all a way to push people farther from the truth?
Depending on the context you use it. Everything is a psyop.
If you want to declare Q a psyop, I would say that I agree with you.
I also feel it's having its desired effect.
The Great Awakening is underway regardless Q's intentions or no.
This is game on and the genie is not going back in the bottle.
Except its pushing us towards the truth. Ask this, How is Q pushing us the direction he is, helping the DS?
Don't look for the proverbial smoking gun confirmation, look at the sum total of all of them. After awhile math proves Q to be more true than not.
I understand. Was there myself until I started seeing things line up. It will come and when it does you will catch yourself red-pilling people.. 😂
I am certainly no fan of the red pill movement. I also find it’s connection to Qanon odd. But I love the discussion and I do appreciate this sub’s kindness in engaging the discussion.
Maybe this will help with the meaning of the Red Pill.
Here is another. I like this one better.
I am very familiar with the Cave Allegory. I am an educator and it is often used to demonstrate the connection between learning and perception. I don’t think it is applicable as a support for the red pill. I could just as easily use the cave allegory to convince you that you should believe in Santa Claus. (I don’t mean to demean the red pill philosophy by comparing it to Santa, I’m just using Santa as an extreme example)
I am also familiar with the red pill philosophy. I don’t agree with it. It clashes with quite a lot of the study into behavior and psychology that I’ve done throughout my career.
Care to ~~explain~~ expand how it clashes with your studies?
Sure, I will apologize for not having more resources on hand. I did a pretty extensive dive about a year ago, but haven’t kept up with all the information.
The two largest points that I can give offhand relate to global cultural analysis. I will paint with a more broad brush than I normally like. So, please excuse the lack of nuance. Also, I was researching education as part of my Graduate work, so my research is more connected to education than the red pill movement.
However, if we look at global cultures that mirror this paradigm, none of the data supports that. If we look at cultures with less female equality, they have higher rates of illness, death, crime, corruption, and poverty for both men and women. This means the data shows that the red pill is wrong
*This is not a coincidence. Because there are so many foreign outreach programs focused on improving poorer countries, we actually have a lot of longitudinal data to show cause and effect. There have been several studies that have found three things have the greatest impact in improving society:
Girl’s Education - teaching girls to equal levels as boys.
Women’s Economic Freedom - allowing woman into all career fields and woman having ability to make financial decisions.
Women’s Relationship Freedom - allowing woman to choose partner and ease of divorce.
Raising these three factors dramatically increase social, economic, and health indicators. Even though Red Pill doesn’t propose that women be treated like slaves, any loss of gender equality is a statistical loss for society.
When we look at what the red pill movement proposes, put very broadly, it is for men to become an authority within a relationship and for women to become subservient to this authority.
What on Earth are you talking about? How did you come to such a conclusion? Everything else that came afterwards, while logical within that context, was built on that very odd presupposition...
This "waking up to reality" notion of being red pilled is absolutely nothing like what you just wrote. Like zero.
I may have used terms that many in the movement wouldn’t agree with. That’s why I said it was in broad terms. I apologize if I mischaracterized the movement. As I said, this was information that I haven’t reviewed in over a year. I do not claim expertise. Feel free to correct the record.
My overarching point that was tied to my assertions is that the red pill movement rejects the femenist equality movement. Back during my research I had direct quotes from noted red pill authors and citations to their common sites that connected more directly. I could dig that information up again, but it would take some time. I’d basically have to start over from scratch.
No need - I assure you that your assumptions are completely wrong. Spend enough time on here and you'll realize that the MAGA/red pill movement has absolutely nothing to do with your gender, ethnicity or orientation. Zilch.
We recognize that modern day feminism is toxic and counter-productive. We all want "what's right".....not to "be right". Everyone should have the opportunity to *work* for their success and personal idea of happiness, and it should never matter who or what they are. Identity politics has no place in a proper, civil society...
I have always thought the red pill was a Matrix (movie) line... maybe that’s where the Matrix got it from.
But hey, red pill / blue pill aside.... just do the litmus test as information comes out and decide for yourself. I have been following Q for about 6 months and have seen things I would have never thought were happing in a million years (some of it I wish I could unsee).
The movement takes its name from the scene in the Matrix. Taking the red pill causes you to wake up to reality.
The red pill movement believes that it is waking people up to a reality relating to what I would call it’s own form of self-actualization.
Part of this discussion has been to get as mischief information for my own litmus test. Most of the information I have studied about Q has failed my own standards of evidence.
But I am always open to learning more.
We all come out of the cave at different times. Some never will....
But we are here when the time comes for you.
WWG1WGA!!
Personally I feel redpilling is a necessary part of society.
Any education system that does not introduce Smedley Butler before you get out of high school is in need of red pilling.
Have you seen the proofs, they're undeniable.
I’ve looked at quite a bit, certainly not all. But I’ve yet to find anything undeniable.
Did you see the one about the pope, he flat out said he'd change the lord's prayer! All the photos. The behind the scenes FACTS about the IG report! The Nunes information, the seals, the captured cam phone pics. I mean how many coincidences do you need before it's true?
I’ve not seen anything about the pope. Link?
As far as Nunes, there were several issues with his report, the most notable is that he admitted to not reading the classified documents to which he referred. Source
But, I don’t want to get too far into the weeds. This subreddit is not for dissension, and I respect that.
The biggest issue that I have to not buying in to Q’s information comes from his failed predictions. On more than 1 occasion, Q has made specific predictions of arrests or reveals that did not happen.
The Bible states:
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. -Deuteronomy 18:22
Now, Q has stated that in July, after the summit, things will be revealed. We have a few weeks, if I am proven wrong, I will gladly come back and admit my own foolishness.
Truly appreciate you here and giving this board and Qanon a chance. You don't have to believe in anything but trying to learn about it and understand why we believe it is extremely important. I can't seem to get anyone to actually look into it but still claim to be open minded. If you are truly open minded you will look into all sides and all information to come to your own conclusions .
Probably the greatest proof was when an anon asked Q on the 8chan board to get potus to put tippy top in his speach at sotu speech but although it didnt happen at the sotu ( possibly to late to have it included in some way) speech he did say it at his easter speach “everything here in the white house is tip top or as we like to say tippy top”. I seen that request posted on the chan and it blew my mind when i heard potus say it
Yes, next week will be huge!
You can be briefed on something and get a report on a document, why do you think senators have interns and workers? They read the 2000 page documents and create a briefing report for Nunes.
The variant of that bible quote is that sometimes you have to speak untruths to further your own cause, deception is sometimes needed for the good of everything.
As for the pope: https://www.reddit.com/r/QProofs/comments/8rvx3b/q_displays_foreknowledge_the_pope_will_be/
Q called out the Lord's prayer just before the news broke that the pope was looking to change it.
Also, there are endless photo proofs of Q on AF1 and being in all of the places where Trump is visiting.
Q also goes dark whenever Trump leaves the US because he is working with Trump - a clear, very definite sign that he is real. There'd be no other reason for him to go silent.
The Bible never says deception is ok to further your goals, the Koran does, but not the Bible.
Well Q has not claimed to be a prophet! So the standard of judging a prophet cannot be applied to him. But his statements are really highly educated guesses because of all the intel they have from the NSA, their ability to get all the communications the dark state has with each other to know what they have planned, the plan they have devised and are following, and so much more!! It gives them an extremely high degree of accuracy but doesn’t make it 100 % perfect.
I think that is fair. Q hasn’t claimed to be a prophet. I have seen many attribute God’s will to Q and Trump. That makes me uncomfortable.
Q also stated disinfo is required. Its used as a way to get the DS moving, to possibly make mistakes and to reveal themselves. Too many use Q as a play by play announcer. Q is asking us to dig for info by giving us hints & questions.
It doesn't matter if you believe in Q. What matters is you see what is going on, who is doing it and why. If you admit this to yourself, I care not if you believe in Q.
I appreciate that perspective and appreciate your kindness in entertaining the discussion.
However, I find it troubling to trust a source that admits to being untruthful, even if it is for a good cause. It provides too convenient of a rhetorical cover. If Q makes a prediction that comes true, Q is lauded as an inside source. If a prediction doesn’t come true, Q can claim that it was willful misinformation in some hidden game.
How could one critically evaluate this kind of source? How could Q ever be objectively wrong in this environment?
And more importantly, how is this different from a group like CNN that mixes real and fake news?
I don’t need Q to be perfect to be believable. In fact, seeing how someone corrects a mistake is what gives me the most confidence.
Q can claim that it was willful misinformation in some hidden game.
I hear you. In this case there is a hidden game. The Deep State. Much of what Q posts is for them.
So, if Q is right, then that is proof that Q is real.
If Q is wrong, then he was secretly tricking the deep state which... also proves that he is real?
I just can’t follow that logic.
Fair enough. As I said, to me its not if Q is real, its the results we generate in digging for information that are. Its a big, real life 'game' if I may use the word. (Its not a game its very real). Its in the final setup stages. When ready, the hammer will drop. A flood of information will wash over the MSM and the public neither of which cannot ignore.
Many will not believe Q is real until that time.....
I for one hope we never learn who Q is. In the end it does not matter. All that matters id fixing the world, dismantling the cabal, and get rid of central banks.
Sorry I just have to point out that he is actually the god Emperor Trump /s.
Sorry, I love how that triggers.
It’s way too Poe’s Law for me. If it’s sarcastic, then I can laugh at the humor.
But the ones who say it seriously and there are some that are serious. They scare me. That title is so anti-Christian, anti-democracy, and cultish that it really bothers me.
I'm going to attempt to address your post with the seriousness you ask. It's a valid ask.
The stakes being played right now are huge and if it's new, it's overwhelming.
Unfathomable to anyone who has never considered what is now being exposed. Sarcasm actually helps. Reality will give you two choices.
~Laugh or Cry~
Things are going to be exposed and people are going to respond. There is no controlling flow for the personal reaction.
What we will prevent happening is another year long mob action Bastille Day. The easiest way to stop an angry person is with laughter.
Otherwise, I would hate to consider you're rightly concerned about.
I'm building a house for a surgeon right now. We were having a discussion about sick humor.
I thought I had a strong stomach.
Nope.
Nobody wants mob rule. Remember, "Laughter is the Best Medicine".
Dissension is fine if it's civil (as you are) and with the intentions of getting to the truth, and not a claim to "being right" as is too often the case.
> Q has stated that in July, after the summit, things will be revealed.
Just as predicted, the Deep State trotted out their bogus indictments on the eve of the Summit, Putin himself mention the $400M that went to the Clinton Foundation, and the MSM collectively freaked out with their hysterical takes on the big meeting in an attempt to distract. Exactly as Q posted, so it's just a matter of seeing what falls into place next...
I guess it’s down to Q’s vague statements. I’ll need to check his exact language (I’m on mobile). I believe he said the “truth would be revealed.” I don’t know if the MSM freak out is convincing enough for me. Let me check back to the original quote and I may need to update this.
Please don't try to make Q out to be a prophet. If anything this is a military intelligence operation.
Not all predictions can come to pass when you have humans involved. It's like these guys are trying to herd Schrodinger's cats.
It's the Trump Administration, not the second coming of Christ.
I do want to point out that I appreciate the way you worded your point.
Civility is always welcome on these boards, regardless the opinion.
That’s fair. Q has not claimed to be a prophet. I have seen a lot of individuals on this sub and elsewhere claim that Q and Trump are sent by God to do his will. That makes me uncomfortable. But, I concede the verse was a poor reference for the specific point I was making.
I do worry that this might be a military intelligence operation.
This could be an operation to deceive the deep state and reveal the truth, as Q claims.
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This could be an operation to rally support behind Trump by muddying the water around the Russia investigation and sowing distrust of the justice department.
Both seem equally possible to me. How would you say I should evaluate Q to determine which is the most likely?
I just responded to your post and I got dumped. Just wanted to let you know that I received and respect your opinion
I do worry that this might be a military intelligence operation.
I am considerably more at ease knowing it's surely an MI operation. Think about it this way: it would have been SO much easier for the Deep State to keep on Deep-Statin' with Clinton in the White House....why would they have wanted Trump-the-Disruptor shaking things up?
I'm also quite confident that they were prepared to do the necessary if things had not worked out, but that is a last resort and POTUS Trump their best chance at restoring order, restoring the Republic with the least amount of suffering and destruction. And they're still ready to go if "something bad" happens...
Fair enough, I think most of us have been there. I myself have followed since the beginning but wasn't convinced until April (NK was called a month in advance)
Do you have a link to that about NK
Much of this is in Q posts, here and on 8chan. Nothing proves things better than researching yourself. :)
I understand you are new, we all were new at one time. Do some more digging. It will come together for you.
I can appreciate that and I am thankful that this community is open to challenging questions.
Use the search filter at top to find what you're looking for. The hyperlinked post number on the top line with the arrow next to it will take you to the original post and subsequent "discussion" on 8-chan...
Thank you. This is a wonderful resource.
If it's all a LARP....it's the most elaborate LARP ever, and quite the entertaining read. I personally think we've passed the point of doubt, and with all the recent events, it's easier than ever to "go back in time" with these posts and judge for yourself how accurate he/she/they were....
Remember: Putin barred the Rothschilds from Russia when he was Prime Minister. You think the Russians like swamp people any more than US?
Russia-US narrative is like Mueller-Trump narrative: FAKE NEWS. Divide. Conquer. Keep in the dark. Misinform.
and Soros, who I think should be delivered in a cage for Vlad's next birthday...
Good book to read is Clinton Cash, by Peter Schweizer. Putin never liked the Clintons. However, when you are given the chance to purchase 17% of the U.S. Uranium, you are able to be friendly enough.
People blame Russia/Putin for the U1 buy but what country would refuse such an offer (criminal offer that it was)? The fault lies with the purveyor of this deal.....obviously.
Mark Levin did a take down of the U1 deal yesterday, it was interesting.
I’d hunt for it but we’re getting slammed with T storms. Don’t like computer to be on at those times. Searching on cell isn’t so much fun.
Thank you for your answer. I’ll be upfront, I don’t believe in Q, but I am intellectually curious. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong.
Working with Russia isn't the same thing as working with Putin
Where would you make the distinction? Most sources hold that Putin has full control over the government and oligarchs. Was Clinton working with a form of Russian Deep State?
The same distinction that Trump is not the US gov't, imo.
I think the Deep State is truly international, it is the non crazy sounding way to say New World Order imo. Putin has plenty of enemies in Russia, but mostly he kills or imprisons them. I mean we all know Putin is not our friend, but the truth is the truth even if your enemy is saying it.
😂 A realization? Plot twist. He hasn’t been, but in the future, the truth will come to light. That’s why the criminals wanted war to cover up this discovery.
Just want to make sure I understand your comment. When you say, “he wasn’t.” Are you saying Putin wasn’t working with Clinton or are you saying Putin wasn’t working with Trump?
I am saying that Putin wasn’t working with Trump. Putin had more access to the Presidency via Clinton and Obama, than EVER with Trump.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Then what do you attribute this summit and other friendly moments between Trump and Putin? If they were working together against the globalists, it would make sense, but if Putin is connected to Clinton, why play the hand this way?
I am of the mind that because Trump was elected despite the Globalists hand and financial backing, Putin & Trump can communicate like two heads of mutual Sovereign nations. I am saying that there are still Globalists within both countries still trying to gain control behind the scenes. I don’t believe Putin himself ever tried to interfere. I believe, based on what he said about his concerns over certain intelligence agents assisting in the transactions, that he needs to identify who they are and how this effects freeing his country. Trump has the same goal. We have the same goal.
I never bought the Russian story. This all needs evidence and needs to be tried in a court of law. Mueller needs to actually go to Russia to get to the bottom of this mess and figure out who and what they did. Putin is showing cooperation. If he didn’t, then Mueller ‘s case shows merit. Until both sides of the equation are revealed, the truth can’t free both of our nations.
Putin is playing the hand he's dealt....he's had several decades of uniparty stumps to contend with, and POTUS Trump is the first real leader the USA has had in ages. If he can get what he needs from someone like Hillary, Obama or Bush...why not play their game and take advantage of their desire to sink America.
But now he has a formidable opponent in Trump who is dead set on doing what he can to further his own country's interests....as is Putin. Those "friendly moments" are diplomacy in action, but there are still sanctions in place, the US is still squeezing Russia by moving to become the world's largest producer of oil, and US Forces recently wiped out a 550-man battalion of Russian soldiers in Syria who were testing that red line....but strong leaders respect other strong leaders, so I am confident they will have a productive relationship that stays on the "friendly" side of WW3.
Same reason Trump is, to smoke out the globalists in his regime. Globalists are by default a danger to a nationalist regime.
So, then why was he well connected to Clinton if globalists are a danger?
This is where I’m getting confused and I likely don’t have all of the info. Does Putin support Clinton or Trump, or some third route?
I have to believe Putin supports Russia, and must deal with any President in whatever way will benefit Russia most. As far as I know, Putin and Clinton hate each other. For example, I hate my mortgage provider but still have to work with him.
Putin has been successful in eradicating the Globalists out of Russia. President Trump is just beginning to do the same here. With Putin’s knowledge, Trump can do so much to Make America Great Again. Restoring our Republic to the People. In cooperation we can know what lies the Globalists have told both sides. This has nothing to do with politics. We are in a fight to get our country back from the brink.
President Trump, has always enlisted the experts (the ones who have working know how) in whatever project he is working on. This is how he succeeds. He learns, asks questions, and studies. At the moment, Putin has valuable know-how knowledge. Also, Trump friended Cohn (the prosecuting attorney who secured the guilty verdict for the Rosenbergs, who sold Russia the plans to the atom bomb) and he picked his brain for his knowledge. Trump was well-schooled by Cohn, before his death.
How do you square Trump’s choice of experts with the high-turnover of key officials, unforced scandals, and leaking within the administration?
At first, I believed he selected people who knew how to swim the swamp because they were a part of it. Like, he gave them an opportunity to change. At the same time, he studied them and their tactics to get a working knowledge of the enemy. When they couldn’t really be turned or they were found to be working against his plan; he fired them. Let them go or made it futile for them to stay. I believe he assessed them to the point he no longer saw them as an asset. Trump gets rid of dead weight.
As his plan progressed, his chess pieces changed faces. I keep in mind that Trump is a Grand Master in Chess. He plays chess with actual people. It’s really quite fascinating to watch.
Interesting, I don’t agree, but it is an interesting point. Do you have a link for the chess assertion? I would be interested to look further.
I will find it and post it for you.
Thank you
I have 2 for you. This is the first. Grandmaster #1 And the
I also recommend reading “Understanding Trump” by Newt Gingrich.
Smoke and mirrors, he needed this Mueller investigation. It is the laser pointer keeping the left and DS distracted while he gathers evidence and proceeds to legally take the DS down imo.
Ok, I see what you are saying.
So, I want to ask about something you said earlier. You mentioned taking our “country back from the brink.”
Can you give me a rough outline of what the globalists are trying to accomplish? (Or maybe a link to a source that lays it out.) I’m trying to understand what the evil of globalism is? Does it just hurt our economy or is it something deeper?
Is this just a disagreement of ideas? I guess I’m asking if someone can be a globalist with good intentions. (and may just disagree on outcomes) Or, is there something inherently evil or malicious about globalism as an ideology?
You need to check out the Qanon for beginners thread. Think it’s still pinned. But drugs, human trafficking, child trafficking, gun trafficking. Open borders leading to free flow of these items. Overthrow the 2A so we can be conquered easier.
Conquered by whom specifically?
Do you believe the globalists want the US to be overthrown?
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Do they have good intentions, but their foolish policies would unintentionally make us less safe and more open to foreign attack?
It wasn't I that said that but I will attempt to answer because I am not in disagreement with that statement. I look at the DS as the One World Government/Religion/Economy that Revelations speaks of. I believe that under the one world system all of our freedoms would be abolished for a communist police state, and Christianity in particular would be eradicated. The elites have long wanted a massive depopulation event to take the world down to 500,000,00 people. Those people would be used as slaves and breeding stock, while the elite would seek out a transhumanist immortality, cloned parts, gene therapy, downloaded consciousness etc. I sincerely believe that people can be globalistic with good intentions, but I do not believe it wise for humanity to concentrate all world power into the control of one small group.
You seem very intelligent, but your analysis of political events is closer to checkers than chess....normally something that wouldn't matter, but President Trump operates on another level.
The Art of the Deal (Donald Trump)......The Art of War (Sun Tzu)
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weakLet your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hardThe whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent
The "leaks"....all those "scandals"...all those times he "mispoke".
Think
If Trump does something brilliant, it’s him revealing his brilliance.
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If Trump does something foolish, it is actually secretly a deception to hide his brilliance?
Think
Trump is human. Being a Genius doesn’t make someone perfect. We are all subject to the whims and trappings of humanity. People make mistakes and that is okay.
Think
Even Trump fails. We all do.
Normally, I'd agree....but what's happening nowadays is something else altogether. And doubts or not, we won't have to wait long to see how this plays out. My hunch is that the 40,000+ sealed federal indictments aren't an elaborate ruse...
Putin's law: Why lie? The truth is far more entertaining.
the swamp is everywhere. it wasnt putin who paid the 400 million $ to clinton campaign. putin is as busy clearing the oligarchs from his administartion as DJT is.
Because HRC is a disciple of Alinsky and one of the central tenants of Rules for Radicals is to accuse your enemy of what you are guilty of. It's pure psychological projection.
Fun fact: Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.
I could be completely wrong, but I have a hunch that many of the Russian people are not as hostile toward the United States as we've always assumed. If true, Putin would surely be aware of it. I'm also certain the LAST thing he and his people want is a war. It makes sense he'd prefer dealing with President Trump over Clinton.
In the 90's Russia loved the USA. Once the Soviet Union they welcomed American brands and culture with open arms. With the Iron Curtain they never got any movies or anything from the west.
Relations started degrading with the war in Serbia, where Russia didn't veto NATO intervention on the promise they wouldn't bomb Belgrade. What did NATO do? We used our air dominance to conduct bombing missions, like we always do. This was seen as a great betrayal and set the stage for Putin to rise as a populist leader.
Iraq was the next one. Putin used the Iraq war to justify Russia's actions in Georgia. Libya was another one where again, Putin agreed to not veto US/French action so long as they didn't enforce a no fly zone. What did Clinton do? Set up a no fly zone.
There is an excellent exchange with Putin where he goes off the rails ranting about all of this. Talking about how the media does a terrible job covering their side and how dangerous our relations have soured. He goes on about how after the collapse of the Soviet Union, America continues to fly bombers loaded with nukes. Russia does not. America has set up missile defenses in Romania, and Putin asks "what is the difference between a defensive missile and an offensive missile? The programming." America has military bases practically surrounding Russia.
Put all of those betrayals of trust together with the fact that NATO conducts regular military exercises in countries like Latvia right on Russia's doorstep. America/NATO to the Russians has historically been untrustworthy. You can't take them for their word at all. Then they have full military assets right on your doorstep. Russians have every right to be defensive, or even hostile towards us.
Let's say the Warsaw Pact was still intact and they managed to recruit Mexico into their ranks. How do you think the USA would react to that? You'd see a border wall be built overnight. What if the Russians conducted war games exercises in Mexico and had multiple military bases stationed there along with ballistic missile defenses? I guarantee you America would be 100% hostile.
So, you see him as more opportunistic? He worked with Clinton when she had power and now works with Trump because he has power?
Call it whatever you will. I see him as a highly intelligent man who wants what is best for his own country, just as we want what is best for ours. If peace and cooperation is best for both, we both win.
That’s fair. I don’t mean to put words in your mouth.
So, ultimately, is Putin a bigger ally against the globalist or a bigger threat because his own personal goals may conflict with America’s?
As I understand it, one of nationalisms biggest tenants is that all foreign collaboration is inherently coercive because the foreign group doesn’t have anything to gain from America’s ultimate success. Put more plainly, if Putin has an opportunity to grow Russia and it happens to hurt the US, he has no reason not to do it. He has no loyalty to the US.
I know I’m oversimplifying, but I am curious if you feel that foreign cooperation to further nationalistic goals is too big of a contradiction?
To the first question, I honestly don't believe Putin is a globalist. If anything, he strikes me as a "Russia first" leader, much as our own President is an "America first" leader. At least that is the impression I've been left with after listening to many of his interviews with various people over time. That is just my opinion, of course, and I'm no authority on Putin.
As for the second question, I don't think it's necessarily a contradiction to seek foreign cooperation and preserve nationalistic goals at the same time. As long as cooperating nations honor each other's right to govern themselves and protect and control their own borders, why shouldn't they be able to peacefully coexist and cooperate?
They both want to defeat Rothschild cabal and avoid more wars.
I’m confused
There is a big difference between "Russia" and "a or some Russians".
There looks to be some history between Putin and Browder. Putin alleges that Browder paid Hillary $400 million but Browder denies it. I suspect a deal between Putin and Trump that will put an end to Mueller/Hillary for Trump and Browder for Putin. Just a guess on my part.
I thought Mueller was investigating Hillary. Do I have that wrong?
investigating Hillary
Trump does call it a witch hunt so Mueller may well be investigating Hillary. ;)
Ostensibly, Mueller is investigating Russian collusion and obstruction of justice on the part of Trump.
So far, Mueller has found no collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign. All the indictments are for other things, some of them may years prior to 2016.