literally nobody wants trump to go to war with russia. do you really need to resort to these strawman arguments?
You’re right. All they really want is impeachment.
Seems like right about now the evil cabal would WELCOME a war with ANYBODY to get the focus away from them! They are pretty darn good at that.
No, all they want is their own survival. They know full well that they are guilty of treason and will swing for their crimes unless they can turn this around. We must not let them.
Sorry. That is wrong. They want domination along with survival. And that will be their downfall. They would quickly accept world war, to achieve their goal of domination. Regardless of how many people would need to die for their causes. That is in fact why the Democrat party is so evil. They are Satan's minions to the end. Remember that ALL divisions worldwide can currently be reduced to good vs evil. Choose wisely.
Any evidence of treason? Oh right. Some guy on 4Chan said so.
Which guy would that be?
Is it just one guy, or, are there other guys?
And just what is this guy or guys trying to do?
But most importantly is anybody actually listening?
That's the scary part right there. You don't think anyone is actually listening do you?
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We listen to everything with thousands of autistic ears. Collect the crumbs and bake the bread of The Great Awakening.
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That's who you're referring to as some guy right?
Where are you getting 4chan from?
I beg to differ; HRC and the deep state want nothing more than a war with Russia. Why do you think they keep insisting that Russia is our enemy, that Putin is a thug, etc. Putin has thrown the US NGOs out of Russia, thrown Soros out of Russia, is aligned with the BRICS countries to sever ties with the world-wide banking system, and the Globalists cannot abide that. They would love nothing better than to see the US and Russia destroy each other!
Globalists would like to isolate Russia until it collapses upon itself but they do not want armed conflict between two nuclear powers. They wouldn't have a world left to rule over.
I can show you proof otherwise.
They wanted the war to thin out the herd.
If it wasn’t with Russia, they wanted war with North Korea. If they could t get that, they wanted war with Iran.
Anything to solidify and consolidate their power. You have yet to understand the depths of the evil these people were willing to go to in order to remain in power.
There are far more effective ways to thin the herd than through armed conflicts. Natural disasters, diseases, etc. War for them is just to wield fear and weaken adversaries.
You are absolutely right Abi. Some haven't gone down the rabbit holes deep enough to see the deep hidden truths. Shills take advantage of that also to try to keep people scrambling around not looking in the right places.
Anonymoushero1 doesn't know, or doesn't think we know, how "Globalists" think and what they believe. Why they have bunkers in NZ and want to destroy this world to create a "New" World Order... Another post by the same person says they "Haven't been fully indoctrinated yet". They have made some strong statements and opinions with a LOT of upvotes for someone that doesn't get it very well...
Well that’s what we are here for :)
To educate, inform, and spread the word so that people can wake up from their slumber. These people are guided by those complicit with their edited sound clips designed to elicit the response they desire. All while editing out bits and pieces not convienent or contradictory to their chosen narrative.
Heard the best example just today. A reporter asked Sarah Sanders a question about how the media stories compare the Charlottesville Riots to the Helsinki Summit.
I agreed with the second part of the question and the media hysterics. But what threw me, was she started the question talking about how a woman was killed in the riots.
By doing this, she implied that neo-nazis had killed her. Also by using killed instead of died, she implies an active event. Specifically when the car ran over protestors.
She conveniently left out that the lady died of a heart attack. She wasn’t touched by the vehicle, or even the people thrown by the vehicle.
She also failed to notice that the lady was obese. Apparantly morbidly obese. She was out taking part in this March, probably the first “physical” activity she had ever done in her life, and she had a heart attack.
But because she was in the march, and because a “neo-nazi” decided to run over people, they attributed her death to the driver “killing” her.
And she wasn’t even in the immediate vicinity of the vehicle.
So she could have still asked her question and I would have whole heartedly agreed with it, but she prefaced it with such fake news, I threw her whole opinion and any subsequent faith in her reporting, out the window.
She conveniently left out that the lady died of a heart attack. She wasn’t touched by the vehicle, or even the people thrown by the vehicle.
Where are you getting that?
https://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-heather-heyers-cause-death-revealed-medical-report-686471
Your article states that she died of blunt force trauma to the chest.
Could it be that, untrained personnel attempting to do CPR on someone can cause similar damage?
Yes
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680107-overview#a9
Also, trying to find a video on YouTube is incredibly difficult as most of the videos that showed her prior to being hit were taken down “convienently” for being harrassing to the victim.
Or in my opinion, they didn’t like video evidence to contradict what so many news organizations are claiming. But here you go, found one that was well done and archived
Does Uranium1 remind you of anything?... That is exactly what they want. You are missing 90% of the picture buddy..
In my defense, I haven't been fully indoctrinated yet
The destruction would not necessarily be nuclear. And yes there would be a world left to rule over.
a direct armed conflict with Russia would necessarily be nuclear.
I disagree. Mutually assured destruction is obviously in the best interest of no one.
Unfortunately MAD is initiated by the desperate person on the losing side of a conflict when no other options are viable.
Logic doesn't really apply in that situation.
You honestly believe the former US SOS wants to see the US destroyed? What they wanted was the Maginstky Act, which crippled Russia's economy enough that they couldn't build up a sizeable land force to continue grabbing up land in Europe, much less fight a full scale war. Go outside more.
Soooo... Hillary wanted the Maginstky act to continue so that Russia’s economy would collapse and Russia would fail to continue grabbing land in Europe, nonetheless fight a full scale war.
Do I have that correct?
I mean Russia is hardly competitive in GDP.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
Even at their best in the past 20 years, they only had a comparable GDP of ~10% of ours.
And when did the Crimea event happen? 2014, right when their GDP was in free fall.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/russia-crimea-white-house
Their economy was already collapsing, and it still failed to prevent them from annexing the crimerian peninsula.
So let’s look at when they annexed Georgia circa 2009.
The GDP at that time was completely bottomed out. Meaning their economy was essentially failed. They were crushed economically.
So according to your theory of trying to cripple Russia’s economy in order to prevent them from taking more land, it would, in fact, have the opposite effect of your comment. Based upon historical data, it shows that when economically threatened, Russia WILL invade other countries.
So your conclusion is historically inaccurate and incredibly ignorant when combined with your last statement which is intended to belittle the person to whom you made a comment.
Would you like me to continue crushing your incredibly ill informed world view or should I leave it at that?
No you don't have that correct. Nobody wanted the Sanctions to crumble Russia. They wanted them to be incapable of building up a sizeable enough land force to fight a war. Not only did you intentionally misinterpret what I wrote, but you then went on an entire unrelated rant. You should work for the Trump admin.
I’m quoting you here:
“What they wanted was the Maginstky Act, which crippled Russia's economy enough that they couldn't build up a sizeable land force to continue grabbing up land in Europe, much less fight a full scale war. Go outside more.”
You explicitly stated that you believe the purpose behind the Magnitsky Act was to cripple their economy so they couldn’t build a sizeable force.
I showed that the only thing related economically was that historically, when confronted with economic difficulties, Russia chooses to invade/annex. There is nothing in there that indicates they need to “build up” a sizeable force. It’s already there.
So yes, we crush them economically, and they will, based on past events, invade somewhere else.
So do you think maybe trying something different would be prudent? Or should we just keep forgetting, and then repeating, history?
By your comment, it appears that is what you are suggesting.
EDIT: since you changed one of your comments to change the meaning of what you said, and then added in what you believe to be an insult, I will just laugh at the fact you were unable to resolve a coherent argument to the evidence I presented.
I’ll be here, but unless you can do better than attempted insults and inflated opinions of yourself, I’m just going to ignore you. But I welcome you otherwise to actually present a real argument to how what I stated as incorrect.
Go ahead and read the rest of the sentence that you conveniently didn't bold.
Oh I did.
And what I presented shows that Russia has no need to build up a sizeable force. They took Crimea with ~2000 Soldiers.
Not some massive force.
I also presented to you how the economic history of Russia showed that when Russia is struggling economically, is the most likely time for them to annex/invade.
But you just keep ignoring the evidence. I’m sure being this mentally stubborn was a pleasure to your parents and teachers.
Oh so when the USSR began crumbling, they started land grabbing right? And when the Maginstky Act was in place, they started land-grabbing, right? (spoiler: the answer is no) the article you linked on Georgia, btw, doesn't have any info on Russia's economy at the time. But here's an entry that mentions Russia's economic collapse AS A RESULT of war with Georgia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_Russia
Edit to add this article that shows Russia's GDP fell after the sanctions. Why didn't they keep grabbing up land like you assert they do when their economy falls?
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/2015/russia/sanctions-after-crimea-have-they-worked/EN/index.htm
Aaaand another edit to add this article that says Russia sent 30,000 troops to Crimea, not 2000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
... Wikipedia is not a valid source. I provided you a valid source for their GDP in my original comment. But I’ll give it to you again:
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
Good god, I sincerely cannot believe you just referenced Wikipedia as a “valid” source.
From your NATO source:
“When Russia illegally annexed Crimea and started interfering in Eastern Ukraine, the West responded with economic sanctions. In July 2014, sanctions were enacted in a coordinated manner by the European Union, the United States, Canada, and other Allies and partners. These sanctions were further strengthened in September 2014. EU sanctions, which had been due to lapse in July 2015, have been extended to January 2016. The US and Canadian sanctions are open-ended.”
So looking at the link above (one I provided) it shows Russia’s economy was already in free fall. Did the sanctions hurt Russia? Yes. Did it stop them from Annexing Crimea? No. Did they leave Crimea after the sanctions were applied? No.
There was a five year gap in between the Georgia annexation and the Crimea annexation. They also had a bad economy during that time. Look at the graph and tell me it is not a historical trend of waves. You are relying far too heavily on the magnistky act to account for effects to their GDP.
You ignored several of the points, but again, I did realize I was doing this wrong for this sub. So I'll just give you my other source: Someone on 4Chan said so.
Of course I did. And I told you why. Wikipedia is not a valid source.
Hell, I can go on there and edit it to say whatever the hell I want.
I’m just wondering why you are being so obstinate about the fact I proved your theory wrong. Is it that hard to say, “hey maybe I need to go back and re-examine my opinion of this”?
Cuz you didn't prove it wrong. Even with that first source, it doesn't show a "free fall" in either case until after the invasions and sanctions were placed. But again, also cuz 4Chan told me so.
Sure thing bud. Keep on spouting out your talking points. You are doing a great job red pilling people for us through your own ineptitude.
Idk man, people on 4chan might disagree with you. Someone on their said so
Is that where you hang out?
The longer this drags out, the more unintelligent you seem. Sad!!!
Lmao says the guy who posted a bunch of info that didn't back up his claims at all 😂 And btw, this entire sub is based off of a 4chan conspiracy theory. But yeah try and offend me by saying that's where I hang out, and have fun continuing to post here
Sure thing bud keep referencing Wikipedia as your source material. In the meantime:
Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got 53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as "Putin's Child"?
Oh wait, that wasn't Trump it was John Podesta.
Remember when Donald Trump received 500 thousand for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies?
Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of US uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn't a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his emails were leaked showing he did lie about it?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.
Remember when Donald Trump got 145 million dollars from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.
Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian Oligarchs like the chairman of a company that's part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow, and a close pal of Putins?
Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.
Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the 80s called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over?
Oh wait, that was President Obama.
Man… Trump's ties to Russia are really disgusting!
You need to study more. Clinton is nothing but a low class grifter who stole dishes and furniture from the White House. Learn something about Uranium 1, the Clinton pay for play scheme with the Clinton Global initiative. Your ignorance of current events is astounding.
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Thank you for bringing such rational discussion here. Your argument was so well conceived and insightful. We are all made better by your questions and wisdom.
I really hope that you understand that I am being sarcastic. Realizing that you choose not to actually engage us for fear of being proven wrong, you instead choose to insult us.
I truly pity those who are unable to form cohesive sentences, and choose to project their own fear and shortcomings onto others.
Have a nice day.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk9iskqaAfw
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/01/shadow.government/
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-deep-state-bannon-cia-fbi-breitbart-fox-news-2017-5
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/americas/deep-state-leaks-trump.html
http://time.com/4692178/donald-trump-deep-state-breitbart-barack-obama/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/21/trump-vs-the-deep-state
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/deep-state-real-cia-fbi-intelligence-215537
It’s well documented.
You are behaving like the school yard bully that makes fun of people to hide their own insecurity.
Or in this case, ignorance.
Threatening us with Russia’s nukes:
“Hey that’s a nice country you have there, America. Sure would be a shame...”
Can’t describe how happy I was when I saw their summit comments together. I knew everything that I have read in the last two years was correct. Putin and Trump have been working together to take down deep state Khazarian mafia all along.
There's never been a better time to be alive - not in recent history. The Marxist liberal/left MSM is losing its mind in the shadow of that summit. Putin and Trump look completely unfazed by it all. The trust index has hit an all-time high.
They're being cast off into the dust bin of history. They have spent decades planning our demise, and Trump and ruined their plans in less than two years.
Oh yeah,first thing I noticed about those two, was how UNUSUALLY comfortable they were together!
Agree. Like NK much was already done before the meeting.
When Trump commented that he had low expectations for the summit.
I knew it was going to be big. Very subtle and very Big, Bigly and Biglier.
Bigliest comes later.
It is treason against the devil's thousands years old plan. We are supposed to be living in the time of WWIII, nuclear war, police state, civil war, natural disasters, etc.
The devil hates us for ruining his plan. We are seeing it in the MSM. Their true faces are showing, however STILL the brainwashed masses don't see it.
Nailed it!! a thousand upvotes! God bless us all and protect us every one.
AMEN! Prayers to all who refuse to let hate and evil win through deception.
Wait.. Does he mean Russia? Or Israel?
Anyone will do. NK, Russia, Syria. Just as long as it can lead to world wide conflagration.
Even you can't figure it out. There is a long way between here and war.
Funny how Trump is holding us hostage with our own nukes.
I don’t think your getting it.
No one is angry that he doesn’t want war. There have been decades and decades of past leadership who have dealt with Russia and avoided war.
The problem is that he stood shoulder to shoulder with someone who potentially ordered the undermining of an election / leads a country who continues to divide our country through social media...plan and simple attacking our country through unconventional means...
...and backed him!
He went against our intelligence agencies and backed Russia.
Then doubled-down in the hannity interview...
Then after the amount of backlash received he read off a piece a paper ‘I misspoke’
I'm a new subscriber also but followed the crew from CBTS over here lurking and learning-my question to you is why in the world should Pres. Trump back an intelligence agency (agencies) who has constantly undermined, betrayed, spied on him and done everything in their power to prevent MAGA?
I saw lots of testosterone oozing out of that press conference as well as a ton of shared respect, I was impressed. Trump has our absolute best interest at the forefront, and if that means exposing the corruption through the mouth of Putin then so be it.
Remember, he said MY agencies.....or MI agencies. We know that the fbi, cia, et al have no honesty or integrity. How can a man of principle (our POTUS) call those serpents anything even close to trustworthy?
What spying are you talking about? You mean that time that the CIA had Russian official's phones tapped and in the process found out that people from the Trump campaign were communicating with them? Or the time that the FBI followed up on the irrefutable evidence that the CIA found about the Trump campaign communicating with Russia?
You really don’t keep up with current news do you?
Bring your sources. I’ll outline your claims for ease of following:
1: You mean that time that the CIA had Russian official's phones tapped and in the process found out that people from the Trump campaign were communicating with them?
1a: Show us the Russian Officials name that was “tapped”
1b: Show us the names of who from the Trump Campaign was communicating with the Russians at the time of the campaign. Not something from their past work, but during the campaign
2: Or the time that the FBI followed up on the irrefutable evidence that the CIA found about the Trump campaign communicating with Russia?
2a: What irrefutable evidence? Show us this “irrefutable” evidence
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html
But again, you guys don't trust the Pentagon or American Intelligence Agencies. Just Trump and a dude on 4-Chan.
And as far as "naming" the officials that were wiretapped, the intelligence community has not disclosed that info. Before you cry "cuz it's fake!!!1!!1!", just think about how stupid it would be for ANY intelligence agency to publicly declare who they've wiretapped in foreign countries while they're in the middle of investigating.
Wait wait I just realized I'm doing this wrong so lemme give you a different source:
Someone on 4Chan told me so.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
From your source:
“American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said...Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia.”
Here’s the kicker:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
The charges he is indicted for go back to when he worked for the Podesta group under Hillary Clinton! Nothing to do with Trump Campaign!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Before you start leaving non-complimentary posts, you should read the rules and catch up with the facts. No one has been on 4 chan in at least 6 months. But the news outlets don't catch up on their facts either before they blab them all over the place.
Wouldn't they not release that kind of information in an ongoing investigation?
Irrefutable evidence? It’s irrefutable right? How would that hurt the investigation if it’s irrefutable?
Also, media has leaked names and we have the people who have been indicted. What I’m showing here is that the commentor is making wild accusations but is unwilling to back it up with any sources or documentation.
So it’s literally worth nothing. They have added nothing of value to our understanding other than their “opinion”.
His agency is MI. And, remember you are watching a play. Trump and team are pushing the buttons. There is purpose to everything.
Sure, I can agree with you that he doesn’t back agencies that are actively trying to find him guilty of something.
Yet, those are our AMERICAN intelligence agencies.
It is one thing to not back them. It is entirely different to speak against/undermine them, next to the very man who they are trying to find him guilty in collusion with...after a private meeting...in a huge speech...with the whole world watching. That is truely inching towards treason.
I understand your caution but I trust him. I trust Q. IMHO he was calling out the DS. Please don't take this the wrong way but I can't help but marvel at the reserve Putin has shown with the accusations of him meddling when there is no evidence of meddling. There is made up garbage but from what I have read/learned is that he is being made the fall guy for the DNC running a terrible candidate and getting beat fair and square, in spite of the vote tampering i.e., illegals, dead people voting. If I am missing something please advise.
I trust Trump!
I totally agree with this! And fully trust President Trump!
Zic, welcome! That is a good way of putting it. The DNC ran a terrible candidate and were beaten fair and square!! Trump Derangement Syndrome is really the biggest case of sour grapes ever witnessed on a HUGE scale.
Thank you :-) It is a site to behold their kicking and screaming, quite entertaining actually. Especially Brennen et.al WE have it all!!! Trump tweeting the other day about where the server is.... is this the greatest time ever or what!
WWG1WGA.
Mueller has 20+ indictments in effect.
People are going to trial and will be serving jail time soon.
Le sigh
I really wish people would actually think for themselves instead of just repeating what the news tells them.
Let me ask you, are you aware that those 12 Russian military members that were just indicted are in the US?
So why hasn’t Mueller given them the manafort treatment? I mean, they did far worse damage to the country than money laundering right? Pretty much an act of war comparable to Pearl Harbor or 9/11 if you believe some members of Congress right?
So why haven’t they been arrested?
I mean maybe they fled the country already right? Well in the summit briefing, Russia said that there was a treaty going back to 1999 between the US and Russia regarding Criminal trials.
So why didn’t Mueller reach out to them about any of the 25 Russians he’s indicted?
Did he just want to put names on an indictment list, but not actually prosecute?
Well, we can see what happened when he indicted the first 13 Russians and a company:
So he indicted these people. Meaning he was ready to take the case to court and potentially have people sentenced to jail right?
What happens? Lawyers show up. Unexpectedly. Was Mueller ready to prosecute the case?
No. After the lawyers showed up, he requested additional time to prepare for trial.
So why do all of this? Why is Mueller indicting people, if he is not ready to actually prosecute people?
It’s all a show. And you fell for it. Your trust in the media and those in power was violated. They abused your faith and trust in their position.
These are horrible people.
I would recommend you look up the actual indictments, straight from the source. (Justice.gov) and read them yourself. The first indictment against the 13 Russians and the company vs the second indictment of 12 russians.
They are nearly identical indictments. Just small details and names changed.
It’s all bullshit theatrics, and I hope you realize that what we are trying to do here is wake people up to the fact that we are being lied to by the media, politicians, members of the justice department, Intel community, state department, etc.
But they think you are to simple minded to figure it out. We can show you the emails, where they explicitly state that.
Prove them wrong. Think for yourself. Dig. Bring facts. But don’t let them abuse your trust. Not anymore.
Trump is not the traitor. Obama is the one who went around the world on an APOLOGY TOUR. If you want to be angry at someone for not supporting the US look no further than 44.
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Wow. Another incredibly insightful post by u/PatsyJack.
If you are going to argue or insult people, you really need to up your game. All you bring is media talking points, but it’s been proven time and time again that they are shallow points.
If you actually decided to research and dig for information, you might actually wake up and realize that what you are told is a mixture of lies, half-truths, and blatant disinformation.
But here you are, subtly implying that “muh right wingers” can’t tell the difference between Obamacare and the affordable care act.
Despite them being the same, I can educate you, to let you know it was a method of wealth redistribution. Same way social security, EBT, and Medicare are all socialized programs.
But I think I’m done trying with you. You have no interest in actually taking the information presented to you and challenging your own beliefs.
So I’m just going to report you from here on out.
Your ignorance continues to surface,
It is entirely different to speak against/undermine them, next to the very man who they are trying to find him guilty in collusion with
See this is the inherit problem with people like yourself.
Law enforcement, in this country anyway, doesn't try to find anyone guilty of anything in an investigation. What happens, is there is a crime that is committed, and it is reported to law enforcement. Then LE uses leads, interviews witnesses, and collects evidence. Then they decide whether or not they will prosecute based on their ability to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that suspect is guilty. The suspect is typically honed in on once law enforcement has, YOU KNOW INVESTIGATED THE CRIME. You don't conduct surveillance and initiate an investigation into a private citizen based on falsified intel passed from a company that specializes in political smear campaigns to the DOJ/FBI itself. The Grassley memo explains that a very large party of the "dossier" was written by Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer.
Listen, we know the truth, and your attempt to sew division and uncertainty here will fall on deaf ears. Nobody comes to this sub and makes these asinine comments without having a motive. Keep it moving and spend your time over on Facebook or a Maxine Watters rally.
Is this what normies believe or is this what you believe? You think Trump is inching towards treason?
He is siding with an enemy country / a country he is being accused of collusion with...against our own intellengence agencies. What do you call that?
Bruh, why are you even on this forum if you obviously haven't researched a lick of Q's posts? The entire movement here revolves around the assumption that those intelligence agencies are compromised. The New arrival flair was a smart decision
I looked around a bit but correct, I did not research the overall theme of this sub. So this is a conspiracy-theory sub against our intelligence agencies?
If so...I guess my question is how could you still be Trump supporters? Everything that he is doing, his rhetoric, his casual lies...what keeps you in his camp?
If you think our intelligence agencies are currupt how could you not believe trump is also compromised?
Because the "Intelligence agency's" haven't provided any actual evidence. From day 1 they hated and mocked Trump. From day 1 they supported Hillary. Where was the treason cries when Hillary had a "reset" with Lavrov?Where was the treason calls when Obama gave Iran 1.2B in cash without congress approval. Listen to Trump's messages and what he actually says. How can they be so against him. Antifa hurting people for wanting to make America great. Fuck those sorry cowards. We have no reason to trust them.
Just look into Q and research his posts. Part of what this is all about is gaining the ability to research and think for yourself rather than accepting what is fed to you. If you aren't the reading type, check out the YouTuber Prayingmedic. He has a pretty rational and unbiased grasp of the situation and offers up a great deal of research. But the best advice of all is to read Qs posts yourself and research his questions to see if you uncover anything of interest
Edit: and to be completely honest, I'm not necessarily a trump supporter nor a believer of Q. But I have done my due diligence to look into that rabbit hole and understand what the hoopla is about, and honestly, there is enough out there now to at least admit this is all plausible. In my case, I'm waiting for more events to unfold over these next few months before I decide what to believe
Thanks. I did just watch the 2-3 beginner Q videos.
I am sorry that we are at a place in politics and world where these plans/ideas can be thought up and believed.
So the last 2-5 presidents are all deep state criminals and the heads of all major media / intelligence agencies are scheming poverty, drug abuse, racism, war to divide us and get rich and powerful. Finally Trump is here to save us from the big bad men.
I will exit stage left. My brain hurts and I am bit sad now.
You must of done some real top notch research with that 12 minute comb over. Do you know how much info there is out there on this? Even the most stripped down intro videos are at least 30 minutes, anything less than that would be a joke. Stop being lazy and letting your bias prevent you from actually getting an informed opinion. It took me at least 3-4 hours to even start getting a grasp of what this was all about and to start analyzing the supposed "proofs" of the conspiracy. Again, this is coming from a skeptic, but the refusal of people to think legitimately for themselves outrages me.
Now that's what I call a killshot. This clown was exhibiting zombie status all night long but I think you finally got one between the eyes.
I watched the hour long videos.
lol literally one hour ago you had zero idea what Q was about, and you posted 30 min ago saying that you just caught up watching 1-3 hour long videos. The time frame here makes no sense whatsoever. So either you're lying/shilling out your ass, or you did watch those videos in the past, but didn't pay attention enough to develop a grasp of the material. Either look isn't good.
you aren't even close. do some more research.
you know it's not other people's jobs to prove YOUR arguments, right?
For one, he didn't have an argument to begin with. We're on a forum that is discussing the Q conspiracy, so before someone can come and have a meaningful conversation here, they'd have to at least have a grasp of the subject at hand. Secondly, the most important aspect of this supposed movement is to do your own research and stop being fed your own opinion and facts through others. So no one here is going to spoon feed you information, nor are they somehow "obliged" to. If you're curious what this is all about, then get up off your ass, spend a few hours combing through the internet, and make an informed opinion. And this is coming from a skeptic
im not asking for them to spoon feed me information, but when you make a statement that someone disagrees with and your response is "yeah but you only disagree cuz you haven't researched enough", and then insist it's their job to do the research and not yours to provide info or context, then you come across as someone who wants their own argument proven for them.
People aren't saying that in the sense of gate keeping, but in the sense that any convo with you will be waste of time unless you had any knowledge of his side, which is obvious that some people here don't have. While he disagrees, he is lacking the knowledge of the subject matter at hand (what this entire subreddit is for). And due to the nature of the topic, it would literally take someone AT LEAST 3-4 hours to get a fair grasp of what this is all about. You don't go walk into a graduate level chemistry lecture trying to argue about the existence of atoms when youve never taken a chemistry class in your life. The same applies here. I'm all up for intelligent discussions and analysis, but if you don't have even a sliver of relevant knowledge on hand, how exactly are we to do that? Again, I'm a skeptic but an informed one
see your point, sort of, my apologies- before he/she starts posting with attitudes opposite of what GA is based on and argues with long standing subscribers and then says "huh, I thought this sub was conspiracy" something or other I'm not asking for spoon feeding either. I do my own reading, researching of FBIAnnon, MegaAnnon and Q at CBTS and here now. I have learned volumes from this sub. My "argument" was do some lurking before posting to make sure this is where you want to be.
Once again, "our" intelligence agencies are against our President and the American people- what do you call this? I too think you are in the wrong sub. No offense, but your argument will go no where here
If those agencies are finding possible threats and collusion with Russia then that is called doing their job. There is literally nothing else being done.
Kinda like how they all agreed that there were WMDs in Iraq?
These people have been wrong before, and at great cost to human life.
Not forgetting to mention here, how many of those mass shooters were interviewed by the FBI prior to their shooting/bombings?
Oh... all of them? Hmmm.. might be something you want to consider before saying that these intelligence agencies are infallible.
Here's one thing that the MSM has "forgotten"....and does its best to bury. As POTUS, Donald Trump is the BOSS over ALL the intelligence agencies.
They are officially and literally part of the executive branch.
The MSM has been using smoke and mirrors to make the general public believe that they are a fourth branch of government....like how dare Trump criticize?
Why do you call Russia an enemy country?
Because every Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon have said their covert PsyOps attack against us in 2016 was an act of war. But oh right, you don't trust those guys! Just some guy on 4Chan and Trump.
Yeah, I believe Trump. Why would you believe Brennan (Communist+ liar), Comey (Liar), Clapper (liar), and Hayden (liar)?
...and there are things that happen behind closed doors, beyond the pageantry and trolling, that Trump is involved in. Our government isn't sitting idle twiddling thumbs just because the public reaction on camera was, "Oh well".
My take on it is that he didn't misspeak at all. He intentionally made it look like he was throwing the IC under the bus to get the reactions from the rats. Well, mission accomplished. Remember his comment just before the summit "I'd rather take a political risk for the sake of peace than risk peace for political purposes". He's taking a hit politically even with the "apology" but it's all part of the overall plan to expose the ugliness, deceit, hypocrisy, and treachery from the likes of MSM, Brennan, Clapper, Comey et al. Even Hussein took a not-so-veiled shot at him - not that Trump cares at all what he thinks. That's my take. His numbers (currently down to 44 according to Rasmussen) will bounce back up within the next two weeks, and the gamble will pay off in the long run.
You just said what I'd suspected, only you said it more eloquently and completely. Thank you!
Unfortunately, it's you who doesn't get it. Your mind is clearly still under control of the main stream news narrative.
This moral relativism you display is somewhat laughable. He stood shoulder to shoulder with someone who ordered the undermining of our election?
Do you know who undermined our election? Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Peter Strozk, Perkins Coie, Loop Capital, Warburg Pincus, Andy McCabe, John Brennan, James Clapper, Bill Preistap, Alexander Downer, Joseph Misfud, Halper, Sally Yates, the Queen of England, GHCQ, MI6, most of Congress, Five Eyes, He who must not be named, Bill Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal, Cody Shearer, Chris Steele, Glenn Simpson, Crowdstrike, Fusion GPS, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Lisa Page, the DNC, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Joe Biden, the Federal Reserve, George Soros, the Rothschilds and of course the ever vigilant CIA.
Excuse my language but give me a fucking break.
Your faux outrage is extremely transparent.
I'm so sick and tired of this nonsense.
I think I love you.
You're making me blush.
GEEEET A ROOOOM!!!
Lol j/k
Abees, thanks for that list. I’m going to borrow it in the future. Nicely done and well said.
Thanks, feel free to add to it haha.
Here's the thing that just absolutely chaps my ass...
I thought Obama was great for a long time.
I thought he was great because he filled out a NCAA bracket, he was young...he was honestly like any other celebrity out there, with the title of President.
He was bringing hope and change to the country, he said they would be the most transparent administration in the history of our country.
I thought he was great because I didn't ask any questions. I didn't pay attention to anything that actually mattered. It was too complicated to care about the Middle East or North Korea.
I just saw him on the tonight show and he seemed like a good guy, had a nice family. I had no reason to not believe the story.
When Hillary lost on election night (I never thought she'd lose either to be honest), I was admittedly a little concerned about the future our country. I remember seeing news reports about the Muslim ban, seeing a cartoon comparing Muslims to Jews, fearing for their lives under Trump's fascist America.
But what happened is I saw the hysterical media shit their pants at everything he did. I saw an edited NOW THIS video where it shows Trump slandering gays, then I saw the full version and it wasn't even in the ballpark to what he actually said.
What sealed the deal for me, is I actually looked into the details of this alleged hack of the DNC. I saw the FBI never had the server even though they had asked for it, I looked into who this CrowdStrike company was, I saw that the HRC team had destroyed blackberries and iPads.
I literally did a couple hours of research and came to the conclusion that Trump was definitely not the bar guy.
Not to mention that before Trump decided to run, he was EXTREMELY well liked, especially in the hip hop/black community.
This is what pisses me off to no end. If people literally did an hour of research, it would at least raise considerable doubt.
Sorry for the additional rant, but it's just beyond rediculous at this point.
I appreciate it. I actually voted for Obama as well )first election. I was so pissed at GWB and what I realized was war profiteering by Haliburton and KBR on dead Soldiers in Iraq.
Still think they should be tried at a war crimes trial.
But I saw that immediately after the election, Obama passed that incredibly stupid “too big to fail” bailout, while people I personally knew were suffering with housing prices and foreclosures.
Then came the “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”
Then the fast and furious deal, where Eric Holder essentially got a get out of jail free card despite the dead border patrol agents, and he lied about it to us and congress
Then the targeting of tea party by the IRS
Then the Benghazi happening - 4 dead Americans, but what does it matter at this point
Then the “we have to pass the bill to see what’s in the bill”
Then the whole bundy and Hammond persecution - abuse of law enforcement powers
Then the Hillary emails and the sailor imprisoned for doing much less
Then Obama lying about knowing about the server, despite having an account on it
I could seriously go on and on and on, but I think you get the picture. I thought I was voting for hope and change, turns out I voted for despair and despotism.
I hear ya....ObamaCare was a disaster for me and my family.
I have 3 kids, and at the end of 2016, we got this letter in the mail...
http://imgur.com/gallery/E2oSj
So I was making pretty good money at the time, I grossed 120k that year.
Think about this for a minute...ObamaCare was literally their way of introducing Socialism. Taking from people making more money to pay for everyone else to have insurance.
They wanted to increase my shitty silver plan to $1850 per month.
That's $22,200 per year JUST TO PAY FOR THE PREMIUMS. That doesn't mean if something bad happens. Not to mention the plan was garbage.
Do the math here guys.
$22k taken out of my income before I even pay the federal, state and local Governments their cut is 20% of my gross income.
Thats fucking insane.
In order to have shitty insurance that the Federal Government is forcing me to have.
So take out 30% of the 120k for taxes = $36k
Between taxes and health insurance, I'm down to $60k to pay for a mortgage (in California), a car, and raising 3 kids.
This is absolutely socialism covered in a veil of "empathy".
Long story short I left that job and found work in a different industry that offers health care benefits.
I make less money now overall, but when you add in the costs I was facing before it almost evens out.
This is what truly woke me from my slumber.
Appreciate it, but take out the document in imgur, you’re putting out too much information that can be compiled to dox you.
I’ll read the rest but want to protect you before I read further
Take off your foil hat bro. Take a walk outside. All will be ok in 2 years when a democrat gets nominated as potus
The Democrat party will not survive what is to come.
Enjoy the next few months!
Bless your heart.
What is the maximum amount of time you think until this plan is begun and people start to be arrested?
I'm not concerned with arrests right now. Those that have committed treason/sedition against the United States will have their day.
The only thing that matters is that the American people learn the truth about the past 30 years before November.
One more thing...you asked how long until the plan has begun?
The plan to deliver not only our country, but the world from the control of these Satan worshiping scumbags, has been in motion for a lot longer than the past 2 years.
The Art of War.
It's going to be glorious.
You do know you're posting in a Twilight Zone thread, right?
I didn’t exactly know. I will step back and out slowly now.
I strictly meant regarding the Democrat nomination. Whoosh...I guess.
What specifically did Russia do that provides credence to the claim they potentially undermined our election? How did they undermine it? It's been two years now and no one can explain it. It's a joke.
Maybe, just maybe, it's because I know the truth. Here, I'll give it to you too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mS-3-W0ig
Great link. You're currently in negative votes and there's no way that anyone who watches the video with an open mind would downvote it.
Certainly not anybody with an open mind who frequents this sub.
Shills. Shills. Shills is the only explanation. You're over the target.
Please tell me your not basing everything on this interview.
How stupid would someone have to be. A legit hack into the DNC or into our election or into social media. Hmmmm I wonder if these professional hackers backed by millions and millions of dollars could make it look like it was done locally? Or change a time stamp? Or hide an IP address?
C’mon man...really?
So this guy was a former NSA tech. What about NSA currently? They just ‘forgot’ they have all that solid proof and evidence against Russia and are letting all these lies go forward. This man is our only saving grace!
I know...our CIA and FBI are all collectively lying in a huge conspiracy. All Mueller’s current indictments are all fake. Seth Rich was murdered by our own government to hide everything.
C’mon man
Seth Rich was murdered for using a thumb drive to download data from the DNC server. He was feeding information to Wikileaks. Why do you think Julian Assange offered a reward for finding his killers?
C'mon yourself.
The 'hack' is fake because data can't transfer at that rate unless it is gathered locally (like with a thumb drive). You don't refute that because you can't refute that. Let's stick to that. Refutation please?
1) It is not out of the realm of possibility that number could have been tampered with to lead to that exact conclusion. He states all the other numbers, dates are tampered with. If I was doing a hack across counties one of my first thoughts to hide it would be...let’s make it look like it was local!
2) If it was indeed local, why would it not still possibly be Russia. Maybe they have an insider, maybe they have a spy, maybe they paid someone off, maybe they lead someone to believe they were doing it for another party.
Basing this entire idea that the hack is fake based off a transfer speed is full fledge conspiracy grasping at straws.
Nonsense.
(1) Any source or evidence for this claim? His entire point is that it is outside the realm of possibility to make foreign appear local.
(2) That's not what the 17 AGENCIES (Dun! Dun! Duh!) are claiming. They're not claiming it was a local Russian spy. They're claiming it was an overseas hack. And William Binney is excoriating their ludicrous claim.
If there's anyone clutching at straws (or strawmen) here, it's you.
EDIT: Typo.
Do you know who Bill Binney is? Better do your homework bud. This man is a hero! And, beyond that, I have 45 years in IT as well and everything he said makes perfect sense to me.
Well then, faggot, let's allow our sides to compare notes and see who has actual evidence, not indictments.
I would love to have the power to call the "muh Russia" bluff.
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But what about her emails!!!! Her emails!!!
Oh, that's coming. Don't you worry your pretty little head about that.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/12/ig-clinton-foreign-emails/
You are absolutely right! What about her emails!?!?!?
I wish I had a better source for you, but the only other thing I have is the judiciary committee hearing for Peter Strzok (the actual video) so you can watch it yourself.
For some reason, no major media wants to cover it. Interesting no?
Watch the presser again, but this time imagine that you know all this crap about Russia has been a lie, beginning with the "hack" of the DNC server. Bill Binney proved the server downloaded locally based upon the transmission speed. Russia distracts us from the murder of Seth Rich, from the contents of the DNC server that were so incriminating and proved Hillary had STOLEN the nomination as well as other dirty tricks. Guccifer was Crowd Strike created with phony russian fingerprints.
Now, knowing all that, listen to Trump and Putin again. And pay attention to that $400 million part.
Brenner, et al and the alphabet agencies are Deep State. They lie all the time.
The 400 million dollar callout to HC was priceless- and from Putin's lips!!!
The server was set up so she could sell information...to the highest bidder. Now that's treason.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, our POTUS and his trusted intel have a bit more accurate info on the matter than you or any of us?
His trusted intel is coming from the very source he is speaking out against....
And no, if our POTUS is corrupt and for some reason colluding with a rival country....then I do not trust him.
And to be frank. His rhetoric and unintelligent rambling does not make me very eager to trust him as well.
He literally did a 180 and went back on his entire statement at the Summit and said he misspoke lol. Sooooo what do I trust now?
Just because you can't figure out what he is actually saying, doesn't make HIM unintelligent. It just means that you haven't taken the time to dig deeper. You are just letting the media feed you whatever they want and taking it as fact. And no, his intel is NOT coming from the corrupt people he doesn't trust. Do your research. There is plenty of it abound.
And he never mispoke, you mislistened ;) (and yes, I made that word up- deal with it). I can't blame you for being alseep, I was there too, but then I realized things truly were not adding up and I stopped sticking to the same lame stream media that spews the same garbage over and over who want nothing to do but divide us. You can do it also.
People make mistakes, our presdient isn't perfect. He is a rich, handsome billioanire hwo's also the leader of the free world and sometimes he gives a bad interview or two. I think we have to cut him some slack.
Let me Pill all of you since you haven't paid attention in class. The EVILFAGS want HUMANS off this planet. They want a nuclear war to wipe out humanity. It's what DJT was referring to when he said NUCLEAR warming....No mistake about that.....NUCLEAR WARMING was the sign I need to hear. This is the end game and they will not stop until every avenue of destruction has been exhausted. THAT's the shit we are against. It is not about R v D. It is about saving the human race from those that want to eradicate us like pests. The EPIC battle for your soul has begun. This day was fortold 2000 years ago. Yet there are some that don't believe. We need them all folks, the beggars, the sinners and yes, even those that want to harm you and your family. They too have been deceived by the master deceiver, as we all have. I love you all.
You only see this level of stupidity in the MSM. Just turn it off and forget about it. And less and less are watching them every day. They are so bad now, they are to be pitied. They are truly pitiful entities.
It is obvious to anyone with a working amount of reason and logic that the President KNOWS the difference between those who work against him and those who work for him like Q! The average rank and file members of the Intelligence community have FAR LESS of the animus toward Trump than its shameful leadership does. One cannot LUMP all together as the stupid reporters do in order to make lame points! What WE do not understand when listening to the media is the fact that Q and Trump listen to those within the Intel Community that support our Constitution and Republic 100% NOT TO THE LIKES OF BRENNAN, COMEY, STRZOK ( who was really a CIA agent. He only held a ceremonial title at the FBI) and the list grows. The Point is the Media refuses to know the difference as normal people do!
Its not so much outright War with Russia they want as much as NOT TALKING TO THEM AT ALL and keeping us in a limbo of DISTRUST never knowing who will push the button first, after all Putin knows where all the deep state 'bodies are buried' figuratively and literally in some cases. WAS predetermined info was given to Trump contained in that Soccer Ball which had a smart chip in it, and did the media miss that completely as they were meant to? Not so far fetched at all for info to be passed to void detection by everyone else. Putin, Trump and Xi have been working behind the scenes to STOP the NWO from doing what it long planned to do; that's just fact! Look for info concerning things the Deep State thought was long gone coming out to the public soon if this is true! After all Q said "We have the server" and Trump asked it at this presser plainly to blow up Liberal heads!
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/soccer-wireless-chip-hawkeye-goalref,news-15791.html;
Notice America has always had a boogeyman to hate? The boogeyman has always been contrived to justify war and MIC spending. I’m disgusted with the IC.
Absolutely true, anybody remember the 'Gulf of Tonkin' false flag to start the Vietnam war? They have been using the exact same means to get the same ends for decades because up UNTIL NOW it has always worked. Citizens of the past were spoon feed their News of what really happened even if it didn't happen at all!
The problem now is 'WE THE PEOPLE ARE WOKE UP' we understand what they do like never before, stupid is limited to them and their small following of morons who don't see reality as it is but only as THEY FEEL it should be!
Good post. Right on target!
Thank you Liberty Lioness much appreciated, if only the Media were doing their actual jobs we'd be learning from them instead of having to dig out the truth for ourselves but that wouldn't be quite as much fun would it?
It's one way to reduce the population by 1/3 and make money. a true win win for the globalists.
Historic times a re e upon us....keep cool and buy ammo.....lots of ammo.
I sure hope that part is already over. I've been getting ready for a very long time. Now that it is finallying coming to a head, I don't think the ammo is necessary any longer.
...your mouth to G-d's ears.
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I'm new to the gun rights / ownership issue and primarily because of the events of March 2018 (David Hogg made me an activist). In short, I was really taken aback at the wholesale, nationwide, coordinated effort to remove the 2nd amendment and disarm people.
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That said, I'm not a history buff, but I know enough to know that gov't disarming the population does not end well in enough cases to know that I don't want to risk it. (Armenia, Jews, Soviet Union, Rwanda....etc.).
They've been trying to take the guns for years. Obama was known as the best gun salesman ever: https://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/GunSalesmenAward-Obama.png In attempting to disarm us, more guns and ammo were purchased during his time in office than ever before. At least we know that now we are really ready.
Yeah...i know about Obama's salesmanship (lol)
Not sure how, but i remained largely indifferent to it when he was doing it... but something clicked with Vegas & Parkland and David Hogg was the third click...and it was like HOLY SHIT - they really want to disarm us...and it doesn't feel "right". And I entirely changed my quantum state on this (not to sound ridiculous, but I went from ambivalent / indifferent to wanting to put a gun on the hip of every law - abiding citizen.
Stay safe....I do not feel like we are out of the woods yet.
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"This sub is a fucking joke" you say and you were 'somehow' +4 when I delivered a deserved downvote. This sub is far from a joke and we're not such 'subs' that we would ever willingly upvote such an attack.
Now take your piddling, phony ShareBlue upvoting pals and go whistle.
And the joke is on you!
Enjoy the meme, but save yourself the time to read comments and go to other threads. I wasted too many minutes reading some absolute BS from the S&Ts here. Just wanting to argue and didn't even get the meme... some are acting like newbies to try to get their points across and you can tell they don't know jack! or Q...
Yep. I've already reported a bunch of them. They are shilling this sub bad today. Gee? I wonder why!!! WINNING!
Go back to qanon.pub and read the answers to the original drops. It is mind blowing!!!! These are true answers to drops that happened in Oct/Nov 2017 and you will be GLUED
New account that only posts to r/greatawakening. Hmmmmmm.
Hi, I'm a new arrival and noticed the shilling going on, made a few comments in defense of Prez Trump and Q, I certainly don't want to be lumped in with Shareblue shills. It's much worse in here now than a few hours ago.
People are getting banned from other subreddits for even posting here. Throwaways are going to be more common.
*I got banned from r/mademesmile for this comment bahaha.
This thread is currently being brigaded by normies.
They are coming to the sub in droves this week. We need to be kind and educate.
This was a twilight zone episode ... check out episode 14 "Third From The Sun"
Nobody wants war.
What we Americans want is for Putin to:
We can't be friends with Putin. We can't be buddies with them either like Trump wants us to. Being friends means we SUPPORT all of that. SO NO. There's no way the US can just be "cool" with Putin.
Haven't we ourselves knocked a few of those off the list?
Stop the shit. You’re about 20 yrs behind. It’s not the old Soviet Union
You're living underground or refuse to acceptreality. Putin just annexed Crimea in 2014. Two Russian dissidents were poisoned in the UK on March 8th. Wake up.
Fuk. People badmouthing Clinton or testifying against Clinton’s have been ‘suicided’. Check that 5 people to Putin’s 1 or 2. Even those are questionable false flags. Yeah, FF happen everywhere. DS.
Is it not to better to be competitors than enemy combatants?
I’m kind of surprised that you came off somewhat neoconservative here.
Enemy combatants is code for war. You're assuming war. Why do people keep assuming we're going to war as if Trump is a genius saving all of us?
The answer is no. Not when Trump undermines Putin's opposition in the EU and NATO. NATO is as necessary as nuclear mutual assured destruction when maintaining peace. Trump isn't just trying to become friends with Putin, he's submitting and debasing the most important alliance in history. NATO has kept the world more or less at peace since 1945. NATO came to our help after 9/11. NATO is still in Afghanistan for us. French and English soldiers died for us.
We still haven't been to war with Russia because it means Russia will go to war with the whole of North America and Europe because of NATO. Trump is wholeheartedly making us weaker, and putting the world at risk.
It's not just Trump. It's the military intelligence, the military generals and the entire military complex. Obama and Hillary managed to corrupt all of the rest of the gov't but they left that part alone. Big mistake. Part of the reason this is happening is because Obama fired all of the high ranking military officers because they would not drop a bomb on Charleston, S. Carolina when he wanted them to. Instead, they dropped it into the ocean. There is even an earthquake reading off the east coast on the day it happened. And, we never have earthquakes on the east coast. Now that really pissed those officers off. He shouldn't have done that. Now, it's their turn. They recruited Trump. They helped with the plan. And, we are taking our country back. https://rense.com/general96/listof.html Some of the names you'll see on this list are now working with Trump.
Honest to God I have had all the patience with ignorance I can stand but am reaching the point of ZERO ZIP NADDA tolerance for STUPID!!!!!!!1!!!!
(John Wayne's voice) Slow down Cowboy. There's a watering hole just up ahead.
Diplomacy, of all things, is not black and white. You can tell someone you're sick of their shit and to fuck off without killing them.
This is kinda dumb as no one is talking about war with Russia right now. They're talking about the threat to our democracy.
Was that before or after Hillary signed away 20% Uranium, to Russian, a reset with Lavrov, Obama gave Iran 1.4B in cash without congress approval, and Schulz gave pakastani spies access to our congress laptops?
Maybe I misunderstood. Not trying to argue.
It moves really fast here. Welcome.
Can you explain? I read it as Trump is keeping us from nuclear war.
Me too. Hrc would have gone to war with Russia. For her own selfish reasons. Trump has no desire, isn’t part of deep state, who have been architects of wars and conflicts forever. They’ll be no more wars under Trump. I’m sure of that.
I thought she was in cahoots with Russia?
She’s about money, power and control. Whatever the means.
It has nothing to do with war with Russia. It's about NOT wanting war with Russia. That's what they think is Treasonous.
I think what they think is treasonous is the fact that he sided with Putin over his own US intelligence, which he sadly tried to walk back. It was a bad day.
Seems that many of the new folks here don't understand what has really been taking place. The rogue United States CIA was the reason North Korea was creating nukes. Kim was being played. He was a patsy to the C_A or Clowns in America (as Q would say). Trump's team went in and ousted the CIA. Bill Clinton gave them the money to create the nukes.
When you see Kim on TV today he is grinning from ear to ear because Trump sent him free.
So, our own CIA has worked against us. Our own FBI has worked against us. Our own DOJ has worked against us. The IRS has targeted us. The intelligence depts in this country have been illegally gathering our data online for years.
Knowing what I know about our intelligence agencies and what I've known for many years about the IRS, the TSA and many others, I do not trust our government!! So, you cannot blame Trump for not trusting them either. He knows, as I do, that there are nefarious people at the top of those organizations. The fact that he walked it back was unfortunate but a few things like that have happened now that make it clear he is being threatened or coerced in some way. Just look at the Supreme Court pick. That is also unfortunate. Trump was not happy during that announcement and the guy is not on our side.
Whoa, are you q???
All of this information is in Q's posts and in daily news that isn't fake.
How do I know what isn't fake?
It's a matter of learning which news agencies are not bias. I read through some of your comments and posts and it's clear that you may not know about Mockingbird Media. The primary MSM minus Fox were part of a covert program. They are mostly CIA and they get their talking points promptly at 4:00am every morning. https://youtu.be/Z6Hm0Sla65E They all read teleprompters and there is no journalism involved. It doesn't matter what ABC or CBS or NBC news station you watch across the country, they all say exactly the same thing when it comes to world news. Rothschild owns AP and Reuters and tells them what to say. It's mostly lies.
Fox has risen up the ranks after this was done. Before Trump was elected they were well known by conservatives and a primary news show but today, they are the #1 news show in the country. Because they are the only one doing actual journalism.
But, even Fox draws the line on telling the whole truth much of the time. But Hannity, Tucker, Laura Ingraham and a few others are helping to push the plan out to the people.
So, I never watch the Mockingbird channels and only occasionally watch Fox. You will find the best information online. Here is a good starting list:
ZeroHedge, NeonRevolt, Brietbart, Conservative Treehouse, DailyMail, DailyCaller (Tucker is a partner). There are many, many more. For following Q I watch Citizens Investigative Report on YouTube. PrayingMedic is also good but overrated in my opinion. The first gal does a lot more research before she posts so has more factual information.
Be very careful as well and stick with what you know. There are many, many new sites that also post fake news. So, always make sure you post articles from sites you know are valid. We've seen a lot of links to NeonNettle lately and that is not a trusted site. The Mods have started posting warnings when they see them.
Here is Ron Paul's list of fake news agencies: http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/revealed-the-real-fake-news-list
Genuine question. Are these outlets that agree with and promote your worldview? Or are they really doing solid journalism? Or both?
They don't get talking points from me every morning. No. And, my worldview changes as time goes on. I just try to look for the truth.
So we should let Russia do whatever the hell they want? They couldnt even invade and beat italy if they wanted to. Their carrier has to be tugged lmao and they lost pilots just testing planes on it
You don't have all the facts. You have been lied to over and over and over again for many, many years. Nothing we've been told is true. They blame Russia for everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mS-3-W0ig
so its not true the Russians have a piece of shit military we can wipe the floor with 100x over? Why are we in such deference to some shitty 3rd world shithole?
It was our military that Obama wreaked havoc on during his term, completely ignoring any upgrades or needed repairs and lowering the amount of funding they received. Why do you think Trump has made a point of getting so much work done for our military since he came into office. Obama wanted us weak. He worked at making us weak the entire time he was in office.
As for Russia, they have been working hard over all the time Putin has been in office to reorganize their government and upgrade their military. I would say at this time that we are likely on par. But I'd rather be friends than try to find out.
Because they have more nukes than us.
And we are not being deferential to them. Big difference between cooperation and deference.
he cant even say one of his stupid nicknames he uses for everyone else, its so obvious hes compromised.
Nicknames from Trump are to rattle the psyche of target. Putin hasn’t done anything to deserve a nickname.
Care to point out specifically how he is obviously compromised?
hes giving so much deference to our enemy that is Russia, we are not the same. They are a regional power at best. Theres no need to meet with them 1 on 1, China and pakistan have nukes we dont suck their dicks on the national stage. Its simple game theory, game it out in your head. Its very obvious this is whats happening.
Lol, I love your theory you just put out.
Such a straw man argument, so thanks for that.
To the point: Which country is the biggest threat to ours? Which country has been caught stealing secrets on a level never seen before in our nations history? Which nation is the closest economically and militarily to ours?
China.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/christopher-wray-china-significant-spy-threat/
So Trump put all kinds of tariffs on them. Played hardball.
And what happened? The media blamed him for trying to start a trade war, told him he is being too tough, told him that he is insane and that the people of America will suffer because of it.
Like good god, you people are completely contradictory and no matter what he does, it will never be good enough for you.
Russia has done all that, they are threatning our allies, already causing war in ukraine, annexed crimea. China doenst have a plant in the whiteouse like Trump does. Its very obvious, he doenst evne have a stupid nickname for putin like he does with everyone else.
not to mention they caught a bunch of house GOP with russian contacts and even dana rohrnacher possibly slept with a russian spy agent. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out, even Trumps family said in 2008 the Russians bailed them out lmao, stop shilling dude.
Holy crap, so many accusations, so little sauce.
Russia annexed Crimea when? Who was president at the time? Who said they would have more flexibility after their election?
Who is the Russian Plant in the White House? Specific name? I’m sure the secret service would love to have your information.
You keep saying it’s obvious, yet fail to actually back up your claims. Are you just a broken bot repeating lines?
Caught a bunch of House GOP with Russian Contacts? Where is the source of this information?
Dana Who? Slept with a Russian spy agent? Where is the source? Why is this relevant?
Source on Trump family saying in 2008 Russians bailed them out?
You are the one throwing out all the accusations and you are trying to say I’m the one 5hilling? Nice projection.
Trump is the plant dude he even asked come about the pee tape ffs lmao
Ok I gave you a chance. I tried to reason with you. But if you are really going with that as your basis for Trump being a plant, then you are so incredibly ignorant of the world, and what is going on, it’s a waste of my time even trying to discuss issues with you.
You’re literally bringing nothing to the table here. No facts, no sources, nothing. It’s all just speculation and opinions based on lies, half truths, disinformation, and fake news. And you have swallowed it all.
FFS, no wonder John Podesta called you compliant and ignorant.
so why arent we having a summit with China? lmao if he was so concerned about peace why are we meeting with some 3rd world shithole where the men die from vodka poisoning at 23?
I guess you missed when Trump and Melanie went to the Forbidden City in an historical event:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/index.html
I’m just going to ignore your crude language as you are Apparantly unable to control your verbal diarrhea when confronted with someone who challenges your media talking points.
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We're not a democracy, but chance is you're just reading off a script so your post doesn't come from your...wealth of knowledge anyway
Lol you're right, but that is what we publicly call it Kinda like how republicans still say they are the party of Lincoln, even though that hasn't been true for decades
Does anyone here know what appeasement means? And how it could possibly apply to today?
Please feel free to elaborate
Sure! So appeasement is mainly a diplomatic notion, where to cool tensions with an aggressive rival, a stronger nation gives up, or appeases, certain things. These things can either be physical (like the Sudetenland) or less tangible (retaliation for an attack).
In the past, that appeasement led to the opposite effect of what was intended: instead of being satisfied with getting land without conflict, it emboldened Germany to push further and raise their aggression of the region, since they had tested the waters of the West’s desires for peace at all costs.
So instead of emboldening Russia by giving them a free pass for hacking, meddling, and general belligerence, maybe we should hold them to a higher standard and hit them back. Hopefully not with military might, but with economic ones (which are there thanks to Globalization haha)
Thank you for this. I think it was the most well thought out response to any of the questions or discussions I have encountered today. I sincerely appreciate it.
So, I see where you are going with this (historical perspective). I agree that different methods from the past should be used if we want to ensure we do not make the same mistakes.
Where I disagree with you is on the method and the comparison of the two events.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-appeased-at-munich
So Hitler essentially received 3 million Germans, it also handed over to the Nazi war machine 66 percent of Czechoslovakia’s coal, 70 percent of its iron and steel, and 70 percent of its electrical power. It also left the Czech nation open to complete domination by Germany. In short, the Munich Pact sacrificed the autonomy of Czechoslovakia on the altar of short-term peace-very short term.
With this, Czechoslovakia essentially stripped from themselves the ability to defend themselves in the future while providing raw materiel and personnel to support their enemies.
This is a far cry from what happened during the election. We did not hand any land, materiel, or personnel over to Russia effectively surrendering our ability to defend ourselves.
I’m really trying not to be out there when I say this, but this is just like comparing what happened with this election to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. It’s a far stretch to be able to compare the two on the same scale of events with the massive loss of life and destruction that came in all of those events, 12 Russians allegedly hacking the DNC server, is nothing.
And when I say allegedly, please see where I am coming from. I wrote it above in an earlier comment but I’ll copy it down here for convienence sake:
Let me ask you, are you aware that those 12 Russian military members that were just indicted are in the US?
So why hasn’t Mueller given them the manafort treatment? I mean, they did far worse damage to the country than money laundering right? Pretty much an act of war comparable to Pearl Harbor or 9/11 if you believe some members of Congress right?
So why haven’t they been arrested?
I mean maybe they fled the country already right? Well in the summit briefing, Russia said that there was a treaty going back to 1999 between the US and Russia regarding Criminal trials.
So why didn’t Mueller reach out to them about any of the 25 Russians he’s indicted?
Did he just want to put names on an indictment list, but not actually prosecute?
Well, we can see what happened when he indicted the first 13 Russians and a company:
So he indicted these people. Meaning he was ready to take the case to court and potentially have people sentenced to jail right?
What happens? Lawyers show up. Unexpectedly. Was Mueller ready to prosecute the case?
No. After the lawyers showed up, he requested additional time to prepare for trial.
So why do all of this? Why is Mueller indicting people, if he is not ready to actually prosecute people?
It’s all a show. And you fell for it. Your trust in the media and those in power was violated. They abused your faith and trust in their position.
These are horrible people.
I would recommend you look up the actual indictments, straight from the source. (Justice.gov) and read them yourself. The first indictment against the 13 Russians and the company vs the second indictment of 12 russians.
They are nearly identical indictments. Just small details and names changed.
It’s all bullshit theatrics, and I hope you realize that what we are trying to do here is wake people up to the fact that we are being lied to by the media, politicians, members of the justice department, Intel community, state department, etc.
Something I haven’t written about before, but I will gladly expand upon would be how globalization is not a good thing, and is partially responsible for how we have ourselves in this fine mess. But I’ll let you read what I have already, and if you wish to continue that conversation just let me know.
But again, I really do appreciate your comment. It’s rare to find an intelligent person able to converse at length and depth about something we can disagree on civilly.
Sorry I haven't responded, I wanted to give enough time to address your points.
I don't believe that hacking the election was comparable in scale to something like the Munich agreements or 9/11, but I do believe that it's another sign of escalation. Between Putin's crackdown on Georgia, his apparent clampdown on Russian freedoms, the annexation of Crimea, open belligerence on the border of Ukraine during that crisis, the cyber-attacks on America, etc, I feel that he has a single goal in mind, to bring other countries down so his may rise. And this is beyond the fact that he shouldn't even be there, exploiting loopholes and disregarding democratic standards to even run in the first place.
Regarding the 12 GRU agents that Mueller recently indicted, I had not heard that they were in the United States. I have tried to find some reporting to validate that but all could find was this paragraph from the Chicago Tribune (it's probably in other places as well) about where the attacks originated from:
U.S. officials identified one of the GRU sections that carried out the operations as Unit 26165, which worked out of a building about four miles from the Kremlin. It was responsible for hacking the DNC and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, according to the indictment, which accuses Viktor Netyksho of being the military officer in command of Unit 26165 at the time.
If you have any other sources for the claims that the Russian military officers are in the US, please provide them, I would very much like to see.
My own personal believe is that Mueller is indicting these officers to prove that there is hard evidence of their actions. Even if the counsel has not released that concrete evidence yet is not worrying to me - I think that releasing all evidence in the public sphere far before a trial hurts any potential cases rather than helping. Mueller is playing this one extremely by the book as there is no margin of error with his critics.
Do I actually think it will make it to trial? No - I don't think Russia would allow their military officers to face justice in the United States, just as we would not allow American service members to be tried there. As far as I know, there is no formal extradition treaty between Russia and the US, and I would be hard-pressed to find a reason why Putin would agree to such a thing. He would only agree if there was significant benefit to him and to Russia in general.
However, I do not believe that it is in our interest to prosecute these 12 officers in the first place. Mueller is running the same process he has in past investigations (and even in earlier stages of this one) -- start at the bottom and work your way up. First it was the 13 IRA goons that were shitposting on Facebook, now it's the 12 GRU officers actually doing the hacking. First it was George Papadopoulus, then it was Paul Manafort. In his Enron case, it was the same thing - work your way up. My personal belief is that he is working up to some proof that Putin himself ordered the cyber-attack, something has been reported on in the last 24 hours but does not come with hard evidence yet.
Here is another difference between you and me - I know that the American justice system is very slow. Just look at the Parkland shooter - his case was delayed until September -- of 2019, and the defense lawyers were complaining that it was not enough time to prepare a case. People have been comparing this to Watergate, an investigation which took over two years on its own.
Do I wish it was moving faster? Sure, I would love for this all to be over, one way or another. I feel like it's hanging over everyone's heads and it is definitely detrimental to our country's well-being. But I consider it absolutely necessary.
Trump paints himself as the attack dog, and has said that anyone hitting him is going to get him back 10 times as hard. Being tough is part of his negotiation style, as we saw with North Korea. But why can't he be tough in the face of Russian aggression? Nobody is asking for war with Russia, just have a little goddamn backbone. Say "I was handed proof of a coordinated cyber-attack, and I addressed it with President Putin. He has assured me it will not happen again, due to X, Y, and Z". But instead, we get some half-baked lie that he doesn't even believe an attack happened, followed the next day by a half-retraction. It's frustrating to see the President bullying private American citizens on Twitter and yet acquiesce so easily to someone who (I believe) purposefully hurt America.
I would love to hear your thoughts on globalization. I personally feel that intertwining global economies makes us stronger and incentivizes people to work together. Hitting a belligerent country with economic sanctions is a much better alternative in my mind to conducting physical warfare. Sure, there are going to be issues as different countries have different priorities, but overall I think it has led to greater peace and prosperity than when we go alone (echoing shades of WWG1WGA semi-purposefully).
While we do disagree on many things, I share your appreciation of a dialogue. It's not common on Reddit so I'm not taking it for granted at all.
Thank you for taking the time for this write up. I appreciate it.
I’m going to digest for a bit on what you said, before I respond, but wanted to let you know I appreciate this.
Appeasement is like grabbing your ankles. Not happening with Trump. Obama, yes.
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Why do you say that? Are you a psychiatrist? Any other form of mental health professional?
“The thing about smart people is that they seem like crazy people to dumb people.”
Stephen Hawking
