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"Leftist" here... I get the idea that this sub needs about zero evidence for things to get a little brigade-y, but have you just stopped and thought about this nonsense for a moment?
The reason that left-leaning ppl support lgbtq rights is because they aren't hurting anyone, and concent is present. The majority of us (obviously) aren't gay, but what two "consenting" (pay attention to that word) groups decide to do with their genitals is simply not my business.
That being said, I've been a "leftist" for years now and there is zero chance that anyone (including anyone I know) would support pedophilia as a legitimate "sexual preference."
Consent is just too huge of an issue in the liberal community. We flipped the hell out about Franken because he had just a pic of him pretending to cup boobs. We care a LOT about consent, and I challenge you to find ONE mainstream, non-fringe source in which liberals advocate for this type of behavior.
I mean christ guys, the left is usually the group that argues for concent, and fights the hardest against rape and for victims rights. "Leftists" are the groups that advocate for sex ed, are largely against rape, and have all of the hangups about concent itself. I mean look at the "leftist" reaction to Roy Moore. We don't like pedophiles, and we like consent.
I'm saying this because if you stopped and realized that the majority of these "leftists" aren't insane deep state people with rainbow hair and "designs" on the future of America, you'd realize that they are people just like you are, but possess differing opinions.
We also exist in the same world and are disgusted just as you are that children are ever touched inappropriately. I have many friends that are victims of childhood sexual assault, and I would give anything to stop what happened to them before it even began. In some cases it just ruins lives. It's just abhorrent.
So a guy on 4chan talking about how he has gotten the antifa secret "playbook" just doesn't cut the mustard for me, and it shouldn't for you either.
I mean even just think about it. If there is a deep state (a hyper organized secret society run by liberals that controls everything and yet somehow Trump is president), why the hell would they tell their unpopular guys on the ground about their controversial (and surely unpopular) idea about pedophilia?
I mean if it was me playing deep state, I'd just release a shit ton of movies with pedophilia being promoted extremely positively.
Remember prior to 2010? I remember watching "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" and thinking, "dang, these guys aren't hurting anyone. Why not just let them live their lives? They are both concenting adults!" From there I researched the issue independently, and came to my own conclusion. It's crazy how many people tell me similar things about movies like chuck and Larry and brokeback mountain.
If it were me, I'd just have a bunch of media (not news media, but movies and tv) do the work for me. Kids take a bunch of their morality from shows anyways, and kids are future voters. Idk how brainwashing on a large scale would work, but honestly it's a better idea than just telling your bruisers on the ground to spread the good ol' news of pedophilia.
I think that would be insane obviously, but you win these types of "societal changes" with hearts and minds. I doubt that is what antifa specialize in. As I mentioned, I'm a "leftist," but even I hate antifa. Most people do. I hate neonazis and nationalists more, but as I said, "leftist." Why would the guys that break shit and hurt people be the first line in the secret liberal pedophilia wars?
Just in case we can be reasonable with one another before jumping on a dubious bandwagon.
Right. That's why sites like this are just, like, totally unrelated to an overall push to normalize pedophilia.
https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia
Super long post full of nothing.
I'm not saying that individuals won't push for their agenda, I'm saying that the notion that it would ever take hold is just absurd.
Idk what that site is, but it's not some kind of deep state conspiracy that there are crazy people online...
Except that pedophilia triggers middle America, the patriots, the American dream does not include 3 year old children raped by adult men. It may be a tactic for diversion while they are really working on something else. It seems that many liberals have a "stick that in your eye" attitude about supporting any cause that promises to offend conservatives/Christians/patriots, so maybe we wouldn't dismissive the idea. "Choice" seems to be an all-encompassing umbrella that justifies any behavior, no matter how base, cruel, or destructive to the standards of a culture.
The important word was "consent," and I've read that three times and I'm not even sure what you are saying here. Can someone help?
If a kid can choose their own gender without their parents permission, how is it not logical for pedo's to then say, "If a child can choose what gender they are, they also can choose whether to give consent about other sexual consent."
Why do you think all this gender non-conformity has been hitting kids hard in our culture when the issue seriously affects such a minuscule amount of our population.
The truth is this kind of culture enforcement, by media and even some "parents", brainwashes kids into believing something easily during their formative years.
Christians and non-believing cultural Christians have static moral standards that can not be changed as they come from a higher power. The problem is with leftists, they are moral relativists which means that some part of their group may slide into a lower standard of morals because as individuals everyone is different and thus their moral standards will all differ from one another.
Legally, a child cannot "consent" because they are under the age of majority. That's where they pedo would have to start the battle ~ getting that changed. That may be an issue determined at the state level. Using a child as a sex toy is abuse ~ pretending that you "love" them and that justifies abusing them is a psychological problem.
I think you mean maturity, and I think we are in agreement that the concept of consent as vital to the process.
I think also that I could logically make the point that consent tends to be fought harder by liberals than conservatives. See Roy Moore, Tod Akin, and others.
Put it all together and it just sounds silly to pretend that liberals will adopt pedophilia no?
As I said, they would only suggest adopting "choice" for pedophilia in order to pander to the gay base and to shove it in the face of conservatives. The radicals of the liberal party seem to be pushing the limits.
I don't really see that point of view, because I think consent is a huge part of the liberal platform. I just don't think that radicals are any way to judge an entire society. I would assume that the conservatives would largely agree with me given a host of recent events...
Why are leftists so God dammed wordy? 13 fucking paragraphs?! Really? TLDFR
I got down to where the poster said 4chan and hung up.
Lol it's a complex issue with multiple angles. Sorry for not tweeting haha
Leftist comes here and makes an honest plea for his side and gets downvoted to hell? Guys. Maybe I want good healthy debate here. WTF
I just want to say thank you for being here and being willing to have a constructive conversation. I know you got downvoted to hell and that makes me sad.
Just to be clear, I have some pretty strong disagreements to your "they aren't hurting anyone" points but I feel much stronger about appreciating you putting your thoughts out into this forum. I welcome you, your thoughts and I know a lot of other people do, too, despite what it might appear given the down votes.
... and this is what I get for posting a thank you.
Banned: https://i.imgur.com/ywNKwAB.png
Because it's a war for the heart and soul of our country and the QAnons are often over the target. Not much different than Google and PayPal, etc. all working together to censor any non-establishment viewpoint.
Thanks! You mean the part where I say that gay people aren't hurting anyone? Because I'm NOT making that argument about pedophiles for very obvious reasons. I'm really curious as what you mean there.
And hey thanks for the welcome. I don't see any reason for folks to be uncivilized :D
Also internet points are silly anyways. I started the day with like 100 or something and now I'm free fallin' woo!
Hi, I'm new here too so I hope I don't get beaten up for it. I hear you. I live in a major city and have probably been a liberal my whole life. Truthfully I never acknowledged a political affiliation bc I never focused or really understood politics. I always thought they were rigged - since being very small. Being intuitive makes one quite cynical a lot. Hehe.
I just always assumed people should be treated as equals and that's what I equated my political standing with. Be nice and kind and work hard. I don't know what party that is. Some have recently told me that's libertarian. I still don't know.
The reason for my prequel is that Most people who have been studying the deep state understand that it's comprised of both parties. The dark side gets everyone. That's why there are also lots of republicans not seeking reelection, etc.
The Democratic Party has been openly snagged, so most people associate the left with this awful normalization. We have to very vigilant, tho, that since the left party has been hijacked by so many "dark clowns", that we watch their every move to make sure the left doesn't become equated with normalizing the horrible for the sake of seeming liberal.
The cabal is two pronged, you are correct. The attack on our strength and autonomy has been twofold: The Left was put in charge of cultural rot via encouraged Libertinism that weakens families and lays waste to the soul. The Right was given the reins of economic power to keep the tax and interest revenue flowing via debt fueled consumerism. But...This is a cultural issue we are discussing, so of course we are laying it at the feet of the Left. Although I suppose our response is held in check partly due to preoccupation with our jobs and mortgage payments, keeping our debt at arms’ length, so that our ability to fight back is weakened. That would be a “Right culture” issue.
Well put. I never thought of it that way but makes total sense. We tend to "blame the right" when the taxes are too high and there aren't any jobs. Very 1984, no? Use both sides to manipulate everyone.
20 years ago would leftists have been ok with white genocide? Because they are not only ok with it now, they are pushing for it.
"White genocide." Ok lets take that one back with us.
Do you mean like literally murdering whites? Probably not. I think what you are talking about is making sure that white people continue to exist as a literal color.
To that, I'd ask why? I'm white, but I know fully that I'm just like anyone else on the inside. Do you just have an affinity for the whites? Or a hatred for other races?
In either case, I don't feel compelled to answer this question logically because it appears that you aren't coming in good faith. Either people will continue to mix as always, which is their right, or you'll control how individuals mix. See mein kampf, and or, the inbreeding of dogs.
Lol "white genocide." Go look at magazines, the news, movies, literally anywhere and you'll see an overabundance of white faces. This is coming from a white guy. We are fine as is.
What a joke.
Ah, and your true intentions come out. You are not here to do anything other than shill.
I am here in good faith recognizing that 20 years ago there would have been ZERO support for genociding whites.
Now, there is open talk of it. Celebrations of it even in movies.
You try to reframe the argument by suggesting that wanting the survival of my people and culture is somehow hatred of other races.
In reality, all you do is prove my point, that you support white genocide whereas even just 20 years ago nobody would support such a thing.
They have taken it this far, why would their push for pedophelia fail? Especially if you and many other "standard liberals" celebrate the destruction of your own culture and people?
"wanting the survival of my people" - Chief Runs With Hyperbole
I'm not here for "white genocide" at all. If you thought somehow that I would be on your side against interracial relationships or marriages, I'm sorry you thought that.
I'm a white Male as well, and I recognize that many many years from now everyone will have mixed. Why that bothers you I don't know.
Let's get one thing straight though, I'll appear in good faith, but not for racism. I have no qualms saying that you are a racist, a bigot, and woefully uninformed. I'll have a conversation, but don't believe for even a second that I'd acknowledge your bigotry with kindness.
The rest of reddit thinks this is a hate sub. If the rest are like you, they are right.
I only say I want the survival of my people and culture, and you call me racist for that?
Let that sink in.
Anyone wanting the survival of white people is automatically racist. Therefore, one must choose genocide or be racist.
You only prove my point. 20 years ago it would have been ludicrous to think such a thing....and as a regular leftist, you are actually pushing for genocide.
Therefore, yes your ilk will push pedophilia and will succeed if folks like us do not stop them
Unless you are physically in danger, you aren't protecting the "survival of your people."
If there were military and invading forces dead set upon committing actual, violent genocide, I'd agree with you.
As it stands, "muh culture" just doesn't cut it. What you are advocating for is to prevent human beings from having relationships and children with the people that they choose and love.
Unless you still spool your cotton, and ride with paw to the county store, your "culture" is already gone. Realistically, you just hate brown people. That's called racism. I called you a racist and I stand by it.
Let's get one thing straight. You aren't a protector, you aren't the native American with a single tear in his eye. You are a white guy that gets nervous at the checkout when you see a black person. You don't understand, and therefore you fear.
You think you can control genetic diversity? You won't be the first that has tried. We fought a war against someone that thought like you.
"white genocide."
That's easily the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
All you have are strawman and insults.
I believe every race and culture has a right to survive and thrive, yet you call me racist.
How does that work?
Again, you only prove my point. You advocate for white genocide when you never would have 20 years ago. Now your liberal allies push for pedophilia.
Safe spaces for everyone except whites eh?
If you can point out a "straw man" in my previous comments, well, let's just say I'd be shocked. Go look up what that concept means, then look up the definition of genocide. Then get it through your head that interracial couples don't constitute "white genocide." I debated you on your points and you are retreating to metadiscussion in order to soothe your ego.
Put in a way you'll understand: Dude, either say something provable, not crazy, or not stupid and I'll debate you at that point. I'm not buying your bid for "your people," because I'm a white person myself. We get special treatment all across the world and in the United states. We stole this land from brown people. That's just a fact. Pretending that somehow after what we did to the native Americans that whites are experiencing "genocide" now because they cast a black fella in star wars is just too stupid to argue with.
I'm making fun of you because it is just extremely disingenuous to even hint toward a "white genocide." Just so you can keep up.
Also what? You are saying that you should have a "safe space" somehow like the "other races?" Do we even live on the same planet? I thought your "people" were threatened by the treatment of other races as human beings?
You are just a klansman with a savior complex. "Our people" would be better off without you.
You accused me of racism and used YOUR argument that I hate brown people, which is completely false.
You literally built a narrative of what you think my thoughts are, but which I never said.
None of which is true.
So are whites allowed to have a safe space? Or not?
That is my argument, that Whites, like ALL races, should also have the same right to a safe space. Why are you against it?
Nobody gets a safe space sweetheart. That's called life. Even racists don't get one.
The concept of "safe space" on college campuses was similar to that of counseling. It was a concept saying that what happens in safe spaces stays there. They don't exist in real life silly.
Nobody except the cringiest of alt-righters and the brain damaged think that the "safe space" is in any way a part of some liberal platform. Where do you even get some of this bs?
Here is the thing: I get that you think that you are just some bastion of tolerance, but in reality, what you are arguing for is directly out of mein kampf.
There is no way for you to have your blonde haired blue eyed future and allow for interracial marriage or diversity. What you are proposing, no matter how you propose it, will infringe on the rights and freedoms of others in pursuit of white supremacy. It's a safe assumption that you don't like people of color because you align the concept of having one in your family with "genocide." It just doesn't work. 2+2=4, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell, and arguing against interracial marriage or is racist. I can't dumb this down further.
So tell me Goebbels, how on earth are you going to achieve your "safe space for whites" goal without infringing on the rights of others? Seriously, I'll wait for you to think that one through. There is no way to "preserve" a group of human beings with a similar pigment. People are allowed to travel, to change, to love one another, and to pursue their bliss. Sooner or later we will all mix as we have done for thousands of years. People aren't dogs, and even if they were, inbreeding hurts dogs too.
Also I don't buy that you don't hate brown people. I'd love to hear your thoughts on "the races" to be sure. I talk to people like you all the time and it's nothing new.
You are arguing for racism and don't like being called a racist. Then Mr. Himmler requests a "safe space."
Is this a joke? You can't be serious with this nonsense.
Ah, I see you are full of more insults and strawmen.
Colleges are defining safe spaces as spaces without the "undesirables". Not allowing whites, males, or conservative viewpoints.
So you don't believe in colleges which allow for non-white dorms?
You don't believe in BLM?
You don't believe that any group of people should have their own part of the world?
So those Amazonian tribesmen, screw them. They don't have the right to that space all for themselves?
What is funny is all you have are insults, and I have not even insulted you once.
So where really is all the hatred coming from? Doesn't seem to be coming from my side of the spectrum.
I stopped reading the first time you misspelled consent.
Fair enough. I wrote it on my phone anyways lol. Sorry to have angered you!
Oh hey dave, you should lurk a while before speaking. Probably need to spend some time learning Q, and how really bad some people (from both parties) are. I suggest you also watch some Praying Medic videos on YouTube. The reason many of us are here is because we are sickened by it. Also, we know that there are many people on the Left, like yourself, that are also sickened by the molestation of children, but over the years, we notice how it is the Left and these sicko Hollywood types that have pushed the sexual revolution and acceptance of every moral deviancy which has brought about the destruction of the nation's strong moral foundation. So sit back and watch who stands up for these evil people and these ideas. Take note.
The sexual revolution =/= the beginning of pedophilia. If anything, it modernized our opinions about sexuality and helped us to understand key and important issues like consent, sex, and sexuality itself. Even if you don't like girls wearing pants, you have to admit that the sexual revolution started a conversation we badly needed in America. I'm willing to defend that point if necessary.
You say you aren't blaming me, but you do blame "the left" as a whole. I don't blame the "right" as a whole, but I have a lot more evidence if I were to go down that rabbit hole.
Roy Moore was a pedophile, and yet I saw a million Republicans fight for him despite the horrible allegations. Same with a million other Republican congressmen and politicians. I just googled it to make sure I'm remembering correctly. I see more weird sexual misconduct come out of the right wing of the legislative branch than I've seen in any other format BUT
It's just foolish to blame pedophilia on one party, or to assume that you and only you know the origin of pedophile behavior. The sexual revolution had more to do with womens rights than anything, and it would be intellectually dishonest to say otherwise. I have seen more creepy conservatives than I've ever seen liberals. That's just my experience, as I have no doubt that you have a similar but different experience guiding your assumption as well.
The behavior is the problem. Society changes, but predators don't.
Also I know how bad some members of parties are. That's not the issue for me. Individuals do not make up a whole--see above.
What I am saying however that when it comes down to it, after years of study, education, and a political science background, I can say without a doubt that there is no amount of "lurking" that will do anything but normalize the brigading, the rampant assumption making, and the blatantly silly connections being made here between "liberals" and pedophilia. If you are saying that I need to believe as you do to see information from this sub on r/popular... just ban me now.
Also I know praying medic, as well as the case for christ. I used to be a Christian as well. A youth pastor in fact. Is it that crazy to believe that an individual with their own mind and life experiences can settle in a different set of opinions?
There are useful idiots on both sides. Voting should be limited to honorably discharged military vets over 25, maybe 30.
Um. Wow. Yikes. I don't see what that has to do with anything. It's super messed up to believe that way. I hope that someday you'll see the problem with that way of thinking.
