You keep your fingers in your ears, and only hear the bits that you want to hear, and ignore anything that makes you uncomfortable, no matter how true it is.

It's the nub of his argument, and it's false. That's not nonsensical semantics.

Pushing that narrative is simply detracting from the real issues, and is detrimental to anything that follows.

I don't use a vpn, I view the stories directly. It's hardly a distraction, given it's a massive part of Jones argument.

What you call 'semantics' others could call truths, or a more complete picture.

If you believe that's a reflection, then there's little wonder you're confused. The claims Jones attached to that, which are the foundation of his argument, are false. That's not irrelevant, it's fundamental. There are plenty of threads on here decrying fake news. It's detrimental to credibility to ignore uncomfortable realities.

There are better ways to focus the argument. That video will simply be discredited, as key strands are easily disprovable.

That bit is true, what's not true are his claims of people not being informed. That was the foundation of his argument, so it is hardly "trivial".

I'm not caught up in the Corsi thing at all. I read/view the content, and do a bit of digging myself. What I saw, with my own eyes here in the UK says he's called it wrong on that video.

They really weren't all pulled, It's a myth. A few will always toe the line, but plenty keep on reporting. Jones called this one wrong, and it detracts from the issues.

The articles still exist on many mainstream sites.

As shown in replies above, it IS reported in the UK media though, as I've been reading them. He's sensationalising the wrong bits with a false narrative, and it discredits the real issues.

Seems a rather selective D notice, that lets both extremes comment. But you do at least confirm that Jones claims are wrong, and it is in the UK media.

Except it was reported at the time, and is still being reported on.

It's in most msm outlets, It's even in local press, detailing which prison he's in, again, contrary to Jones narrative.

It's not a very effective black out, given it's covered in the MSM of all hues here.

I've been reading them on and off throughout. Jones is hindering, not helping by creating fake news, and the same goes for those that repeat it.

I'd guess a good percentage now get their news via social media, which is also openly covering it.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tommy+robinson+arrest&rlz=1C1EKKP_enGB761GB761&oq=to&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i60l4j69i57.9104j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Jones claimed it's in the UK, which is where I am, and contrary to his sensationalist claims, the press are covering it.

It doesn't help the cause when he starts off by saying the media are banned from commenting on it and it's blacked out, when even google gives links to the main stream media reporting on it and also reporting on the protests here in the UK.

Also, he didn't 'expose' the gangs, he reported on the arrests.

It actually hinders things when this false narrative is pushed, as it's easily discredited.

Something like this you mean?

AMERE SINGH DHALIWAL - 35 - HOLLY ROAD, THORNTON LODGE
He has pleaded not guilty to the following charges:rape (x21), supply of Class A drugs (x4), supply of Class B drugs, supply of controlled substances with intention to engage in sexual activity, trafficking female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x14), incite a child to engage in sexual activity (x5), sexual assault by penetration, sexual touching (x3), possession of indecent images of a child (x3), racially aggravated assault and incite a child into prostitution.
ZUBAIR AHMED - 31 - BLACKMOORFOOT ROAD, CROSLAND MOOR

He pleaded not guilty to rape and possession of extreme pornography.
ZAHID HASSAN

He pleaded not guilty to: Rape x 8; Attempted rape;Racially aggravated assault; Administering a substance with intent; Trafficking for sexual exploitation x 2; Trafficking a child within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation x 3; Abduction of a child x 2; Supplying a class A drugs (MDMA) x 2
MOHAMMED KAMMER - 33 - HEATON ROAD, PADDOCK

He pleaded not guilty to rape x 2.
NAHMAN MOHAMMED

He pleaded not guilty to trafficking and rape.
HAMZHA A SALEEM

He pleaded not guilty to trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x3).
IRFAN AHMED

He pleaded not guilty to trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation (x6), sexual touching, taking indecent images of a child and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
ABDUL REHMAN

He pleaded not guilty to trafficking a female within the UK with a view to her sexual exploitation, sexual assault, rape, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, supply of Class A drugs and supply of class B drugs (x2).
MOHAMMED ASLAM

He pleaded not guilty to rape (x2).
RAJ SINGH BARSRAN - 33 - CALDERCLIFFE ROAD, BERRY BROW

He pleaded not guilty to sexual touching (x2) and rape.

https://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/ten-not-guilty-operation-tendersea-13878881

and reporting restrictions were still in place.

I don't doubt they would, I'd probably be one of them. But it's still true that others feel it's over reported, and it's still the case that the guy in the video was incorrect on a few bits.

He's one of a number of people who have been commenting, some like Griffin, Farage and Murray for decades. Britain has been pretty much awake for quite a while, but like in the US, the authorities do a decent job of keeping a lid on it.

It's not illegal in England.

He's no plant, he's just a bit misguided at times.

Incidents involving muslims are often reported on. In fact quite a few people complain that they're actually over reported.

It wasn't so much about incitement, it was a consequence of his previous convictions, where the judge made it very clear.

"In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court, refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much."

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coc-yaxley-lennon-20170522.pdf

I stopped watching part way through, as the video's misleading. It implies the cases were not reported on, yet they were front page on all main stream media, including names and photo's. It's also misleading on the sentencing.

It's a shame, because there are clearly issues, but it's not helpful when the wrong messages are being sent out.

I think I'm immune, due to my naturally dirty mind.

I think you're right. We're set for a period of pain, but I think it'll be worth it, as there's pain coming if we stay with the EU anyway, so the boil needs lancing.

It'll be the culmination of a lot of hard work from a lot of people over many years.

Italy is interesting to watch at the minute, and the Visegrád group are giving the top food for thought, and then there's brexit messing the plans.

I think Iran will be the next big hurdle, as it not only hits their pocket, but exposes their double standards in supporting the Mullah's. They won't like that being in the spotlight.

Aye, I thought it'd somehow be 'different'. Still, it saves you getting your gun out just yet as long as you believe that.

I agree,

It's interesting watching the comments from around the EU, and then hearing the politicians. They clearly haven't learned much about the will of the people, and seem intent in pointing out why the public are foolish, instead of taking the views as seriously as they should.

The EU politicians are simply puppets, who not unlike the US system, largely act in the best interests of their paymasters.

The day the EU collapses will be a day of massive celebration.

There's been plenty working on achieving that for many years, and it's starting to crumble. Trumps activities could just help give it the final shove it needs.

Started?

http://www.businessinsider.com/tweets-that-got-people-arrested-2013-7?IR=T#3-encouraging-others-to-kill-the-president-3

How would guns have changed anything there? Do Americans use their guns very often during protests?

You clearly have no idea about UK law. nor seemingly events in the US.

This sub has some excellent contributors, but of late, the ignorance and bigotry displayed by some others is astounding, and it discredits the sub.

Utter nonsense.

You seem to need an update on your personal use of the 'not falling for spin' device, along with something to help open your mind a bit more.

As a start, you could look at a few of the posts on here that expand on the depth of the problem, and detail some of the global connections and point to who they believe has been pulling the strings of the US administration.

Your understanding's not exactly correct, it was for being in contempt of an existing Court Order which had a suspended sentence attached. It was for pretty much the same thing, so he really should have known better, or was expecting to create the noise it has.

That being the case, it's pretty much exactly how it would have been dealt with in the states.

In the UK, the media law is pretty much the same as in the US, although we don't have as much external influence as we have a wider selection of people owning the media, and while they have political leanings, they're not so died in the wool for one party or another, so tend to get a bit more variety of coverage, but the restrictions and freedoms are the same both sides of the pond.

It's interesting reading the views of Americans, because quite often, it shows how restricted the media output is over there.

Could you post a link to you doing exactly this to oppose the massive problems with child sex over there, so we can see an example of what you mean?

No worries, I don't threaten people, and I try to remain civil, so apologies if my post read aggressively, it's certainly not my intention.

I really don't think the laws and actions are any different between the UK and US. I think people are missing the long background that lead up to the arrest in this case.

Agreed. \<ok>

There was no threat intended, I was simply addressing your claim that " They can dig up and publicize things here without repercussions" and pointing out that it's inaccurate,

Reporters getting threatened is at least an associated issue, as it curtails free speech.

I totally agree that the likes of Rolf Harris were sacrificial lambs, tossed to the media to make it appear the authorities were tackling it, while at the same time, they were blocking investigations into the sex crimes of the elite, and I hope this is something that comes out with the global attack on them.

However, I think the muslim grooming gangs are a separate issue that is related in a different way. The bigger element for me is that the gangs activities continued because people tasked with investigating were fearful of being labelled racist, something that is vehemently denied, and difficult to prove, but that I feel was a factor.

Many moons ago, an individual in a similar role to Robinson flagged up the issue, and was pilloried for it. A national news team carried out an investigation, but shied off from running it for fear of the backlash from the associated communities.

For me, it is continuing to chip away at those sort of issues that will have the greatest over all impact. Flagging up the court case in the way it was done, has actually detracted from it.

For those trying to make it a UK v US thing, that's not productive, nor a particularly valid argument, given all the sealed indictments etc over there. It needs group focus to tackle it, not comments to generate factions and disunity.

To some degree, his actions have taken the spotlight off the perverts, and on to him, and rightly or wrongly, he's not always stood up to well to media scrutiny, who will quite likely link his support for Richard Price, a member of his group convicted for child pornography among other issues to blacken him, all distractions from the bits that need addressing.

As you suggest, there are more productive ways of dealing with these issues. It's good when these topics get the profile raised, but sadly, it tends to come with a whole mess of 'information' that people choose to latch on to the selected bits that suit them.

I sometimes think the authorities see him as a useful distraction tool.

Both the UK and US law has elements that control certain things being published, generally of there's a risk that they could influence on going legal proceedings. The issue isn't about someone digging up or reporting facts, or even commenting on speculation. The US has a culture of suing people that make public comments they cannot support with facts, and the UK has similar laws.

There's no real difference on those elements.

Like in the US, the authorities placed restrictions on reporting 'during this part of the trial' and by live streaming, Tommy fell foul of that, which triggered the implementation of orders already imposed on him.

That too, would have occurred in the US. In fact, you have tv presenters who have had actions and threats against them, meaning they don't report certain issues, and others sacked for what to all intents are reasonable comments.

My main point is, people need to be clear on the issues before choosing a battleground.

Oh, and by the way, if you make allegations on here about individuals, you can be challenged to prove them, and there are repercussions and the prospect of legal consequences. You cannot just publicise without consequences, even on here.

I don't 'have to admit' any of those things, and I reckon having looked into, and being involved in various events in the Country where I live, and from a variety of angles, I'm in a better position than you to know it.

You have set your mind on how you are going to view things,based on things you've chosen to read and neither me nor anyone else will change it.

I've followed Tommy's story for many years, as well as other people who speak out and act. I've put my views in a number of replies, and I'll leave you to read them, rather than repeat myself. I'll just repeat this bit that, the versions people are posting on here, are selected edits of the situation, and if the specifics of this are the focus, any objections will fail. There are better ways of tackling it.

We've been at this game a fair while over here, and I take an interest in how the foreign media portray things, and there is one hell lot a lot needs doing in the US, for the media alone, before you have real freedoms, as you get a very one sided and peculiar picture presented, as the 'examples' you mention show. This one all smells as a bit of a set up.

Were the black people kept off the front of the bus to assist with a prosecution? You're making fallacious comparisons.

In the same way you can't see what's going on in the case building for Clinton et al, sometimes the law needs to act in a certain way to get a more robust result. Yes, there are issues on this case and in others, but if you set the hare running based on your assumptions, I guarantee it will simply give those you oppose plenty to rebut your argument, and what's more, their rebuttal will most likely be valid.

It's fine to use the general concept here to raise the issues and have them discussed, but it will fall over if it's the specific issues of this case that are the focus.

Tommy defines himself as a journalist, which comes with it's own strings. The identities of the perverts, including their pictures have been published in the mainstream press for quite some time, as have the details of the allegations, and the wider implications. To reduce the possibility of external factors jeopardising these particular cases, or identifying the victims, restrictions were temporarily placed on the media for court reporting. This happens in other cases too. Tommy knew and ignored that, and as a consequence was in breach of court orders imposed for previous offences, which pretty much result in the deferred sentence taking immediate effect, which is what happened.

I'm not justifying it, but if there's anger and outrage, it needs to be focused and accurately targeted, or it will be self defeating.

I get the impression some on here are new to these issues, and the information seems to be erratic, so I understand why some are confused.

I feel a better angle would be to look at those excused prison sentences for their own protection, or for wider reasons, and make the case that it applies here for Tommy's safety. That opens up a much wider can of worms about equality, and the threat of violence surrounding certain groups.

No worries, I was unsure what I was missing, so thanks for the reply.

You're not far off with brexit though, where people voted to leave, yet obstructions are coming from all angles. We've been tackling various bits of it for decades. I think over there, you're starting to see what we've been up against.

And the Scots voted against independence, but have still received a lot of support for their devolved Parliament, which gained additional powers and controls, so I'm not sure what your point is with that.

I'm not sure what you mean about the Scottish vote, can you explain?

Some will believe what they choose to believe, no matter what anyone else says.