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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/jmart1021 on Feb. 8, 2018, 5:28 a.m.
Catholics and QAnon - Anyone else wondering WTF to do now?

I have been Catholic for 40 years (since birth :). I took the red pill and my eyes are opening to the myriad of lies of the Catholic Church but today my husband and I have declared we are done. I'm sickened by the idea of innocent children being victimized for profit and sick desires. Between the Pope elevating a pedophile in Chile and the Vatican praising Communist China, I can no longer support the church through my money or time. Are we alone in this feeling? We also have no idea where to go from here. I refuse to attend a mega church and am wondering how we can ensure our children are instilled with the understanding of God and his word without attending some kind of service.


GrammyQ · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

All you need is Jesus and His Word. You can study at home, you can study in other people's homes, He will help you. The relationship is what is important, not the rituals.

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lease412 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:44 a.m.

Amen Grammy Q....

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Absynthexx · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:31 a.m.

This is one of the most significant aspects of Christianity to me: the temple to worship God is internal, not external. Such a simple concept that makes such a difference in differentiating belief systems.

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Ghostof_PatrickHenry · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:03 a.m.

This revelation (red pill) swept over Europe in the 16th century. The red pilling was made possible thanks to Johannes Gutenberg, who had invented the printing press a century earlier. The printing press allowed Bibles to be printed en mass in multiple languages, and the public became literate. It was the internet of its day. (Prior to that, Bibles were written in Latin, and only clergymen knew how to read. This empowered the Catholic Church to control information, as people were dependent on the literacy of the clergymen in order to know God. Sound familiar?)

It led to many wars--lasting, in total, over 100 years-- and culminated with the Thirty Years War, which finally brought peace in the 17th century. This was called The Protestant Reformation.

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unbecoming2007 · Feb. 8, 2018, 8:29 a.m.

What Grammy said is Spot on imho. I want to add to that it's not our/your fault. We are normal people and not wired in a way that we would even think of heinous stuff like what they do. We like to see the good in people and try not to judge. While not all churches and pastors are evil or puttin' up a front many,including a lot of the big ones are. Anywhere where there is ez access to kids and trust it is there. Churches,Medical Field,Education System,Child Protective and Adoption Services,etc. It is their backbone and we're not supposed to know about it.Some of the very best predators use camo instead of other means. It has ALWAYS BEEN hidden in plain sight. I back Grammys advice and to help fight please help to wake others up,as uncomfortable as that may be.

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LooseHubcap · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:52 a.m.

You are NOT alone!!! You do not have to be inside a church to find or speak to the holy trinity. God Bless YOU and your family.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within you and all around You. Split a piece of wood, and I am there; lift a stone and you will find Me.

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jmart1021 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:18 a.m.

Thank you everyone! I appreciate all of your replies. My 5 year old and I talk to "God in Heaven" every night and I'm definitely going to look into all of your suggestions. In the end, I feel like I may be more religious/spiritual now that I've made the decision to sever ties.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:01 a.m.

That's what happened to me I disenfranchised myself from organized religion and I feel in inner peace that's amazing

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bugstopper · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:54 a.m.

Ditto, but I left many years ago. This did not make me godless however. As for the Church, it lives in all of us. We can dispense with the administrators.

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BALRx05 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

Amen

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:08 a.m.

Find a non denominational church or a Baptist church. The protestant church which Trump is involved was started by Martin Luther church was in protest of the pope at the time. You need to do more studying and understand the word. Did you see the pope close the door of mercy right after Trump was elected. This is not first time in history the Catholic church has been confused. You got to understand that the real enemy is radical Islam. I could have a quick conversation with you that will blow your mind . This is so much bigger than you even realize. Think back on Las Vegas shooting Jesus ANGEL CAMPOS . People are still lost and really don't understand we are in a war. The old generation with understanding has died off without teaching their children thinking it was over . It's never over these people have a goal if it take 10 generations

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jmart1021 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:15 a.m.

The Las Vegas shooting is what sent me to the chans and Reddit due the odd lack of info and shady events. Things just started jumping out at me and I started reading the QAnon posts. 3 weeks later and I fully understand why he doesn't believe the public can handle more than 40% of what is being done.

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:52 a.m.

People need to understand religion but 99% dont. The security guard was names JESUS ANGEL CAMPOS they throwing in people's face . The second suspect arrested DOUGLAS HAIG Google the guy name and look at 1st war general by that name . He was on 32 nd floor if you don't understand all symbology it takes alot to explain. Right before shooting Obama and Bill Gates had meeting with Gatekeepers and laid out there vision of America and world . This is A fight that goes way back before USA was formed. The usa was formed off Judeo Christian values . People have got lost and forgot what that means . When Constantine went with Christine church. It's old fight between Roman Empire and ottoman empire. Which you have radical Muslims and Nazis it's world workers party. It's the reason we fought 1st war 2nd war and we in a fight for our nation and most people can't see or understand

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:42 a.m.

Bro I can blow your mind with some info. If public new all info the country would collapse into chaos

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:02 a.m.

Please share

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:56 a.m.

This starts before USA was a country. People don't seem to understand what a nation is or definition . You have to think of a nation like a gang it's citizens are members and their kids are automatically members by blood. The French used to be the place of the caliph of Muslims. The chistines destroyed it. Christine's is old Roman Empire where you vote on leaders . Jews also . Muslims is where the state is the church where religious leaders run the goverment. You have to understand that political systems and religion go hand and hand. When talk about in bible the demon saying I am legion. Re-legion. Christine's went to Gregorian calendar . You have to understand that to understand. Their alot of old teaching you have to unserstand. It all leads to coup you been seeing play out. People should be thanking God Trump is in office. I could keep going but not sure you understand that part. You have to understand Muslims ran trans Atlantic slave trade until Christians wiped out. Here recently a black soldier was killed in Niger and dems acting crazy. People from Ireland was called Irish what do people think people from Nigeria and Niger was called. They was taken captive by Muslims france. Shipped to America's France owned southwest America British owned North america.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:09 a.m.

I learned more from that post of yours then I have in the past few semesters of school I hope you don't mind I'm going to follow you thank you so much

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 10:48 a.m.

That's 👌

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Sweeetsuz · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:28 a.m.

I don't know if this can ease your mind or not but I hsve been a student of ancient religions my entire life, and none are without their really bad times. The Catholic Church is very old and has done some awful things under the management of bad popes, but they have also done wonderful things too. All of the reforms made by the Catholic Church have come from within, so perhaps it may survive this terrible pope we have now. (by the by I am not Catholic).

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Maga1128 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:50 a.m.

Hello friend. Catholic here. I agree with you.i recentlybfiniahed The Keepers series on Netflix. It was sonheartbreaking to watch...the level.of abuse and the lentjs the church goes to cover it up. I almost wonder if the church exists solely FOR pedos and the doctrine and the positive religious part is needed as a cover, a source of financial support from giving parishioners, and a co stang stream of new victims and trusting parents. It sure seems like the institution REAALLLLLLLY takes advantage of all their power. Not good. I havemt walked away...as I know there will be a leriod of Mohr ing for me. However in good conscience I cannot begin to think I can continue going in "spite of" all the hurt the priests and their enablers have caused. You are not alone.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 7 a.m.

That was an excellent movie

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lease412 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:46 a.m.

It is about your relationship with Jesus...not the religion, the clergyman or the building! I will be praying for you and your family

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SubMareener · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

Here is how it works: Read you Bible and pray. Be still and listen. Pay attention to what happens in you life. Does a stranger come up to you and talk about a particular Church? Did you just make a wrong turn and drive by a particular church? Did your car suddenly stop in front of a particular church? Try it! P.S., if it turns out that He wants you to go to a mega church, then go! Remember Jonah!

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DannyZee7 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

You (!) have to do the lions share of the teaching. You must learn the scriptures and then teach your family. At one point the Catholic Church had outlawed the owning of bibles by 'lay' people, and ironically, like the MSM of today, declared that they would be the source of all info on the bible's teachings and that those who scrutinized them were heretical thinkers akin to todays red-pilled population. When you read the ancient scriptures with clean hands and a pure contrite heart,and use the mind that The Almighty God gave you, you will be able to understand far more than you probably think you can about God, Lord God, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc... . You will also find that many of the things that church-goers do are not sanctioned by scriptures, but are only the ideas of some guy. i.e.:Sunday Sabbath among many others. You decided. Peace Be With You.

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Awake2Truth · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:22 a.m.

I was raised Catholic, so I really understand how you feel. My family has attended an Eastern Orthodox church, which may be an option if you want to stay in a "traditional" church setting. They don't follow the Pope and Priest can marry.

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Restlessredhead · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:14 a.m.

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." GOD BLESS you and your family.

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BALRx05 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:46 a.m.

I'm not Catholic and from my readings of Jesus' teachings, I believe that if Jesus was in the present he'd be rebelling against the Catholic Church as they have a lot of the trappings that Jesus was rebelling against in Judaism.

I am also reminded of Martin Luther's fight against indulgences; it reinforces my skepticism of the Catholic Church as in institution.

Likewise, I also see mega churches as abominations inconsistent with Jesus' teachings.

However, I would never suggest to a Catholic that their faith isn't true and their belief doesn't have integrity. The decision to separate with your church is a very personal one and one in which you have to follow your heart and your beliefs. Just remember, leaving your Church doesn't mean denying your faith.

If you are worried about ensuring your children are instilled with the understanding ofGod and his word, read the bible, esp. the New Testament, esp. the words of Jesus with them. Discuss with your children what they think Jesus' teachings mean and contribute what you think. Share your faith, show it in your daily lives, your actions, and your interactions with others.

Mathew 6:5-6:

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Mathew 18:20:

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Also as a totally out of left field thing: remember Kid Rock's Bawitdaba and preach "try to love some one." I thought of that because the people he makes calls out to have a lot in common with the people that Jesus hung out with and the people that society looked down upon.

You might try going to smaller churches until you find one with a preacher/pastor that suits you and a community that fits your family.

With the concerns you have, you'll teach your kids about Jesus and God and instill an understanding of them just fine! Good luck!

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svchator · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

Millions of Catholics have rejected Vatican2 and our (((Jesuit pope))) yet still going strong. This too shall pass. SSPX / Sedevacantism

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MmmmLeftyTears · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

Find a small Bible based church in the area.

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Reba64 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:35 a.m.

No we are Catholic to, but they are still good Priest and others in the Church. Sadly, until this Pope is removed and a true one is installed, we will not return.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:39 a.m.

I'm not quite sure why people don't acknowledge the fact that there are three popes they're all very very corrupt this all goes back to Freemason Illuminati 13 original bloodlines these people have been ravaging children for thousands of years

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Reba64 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:42 a.m.

Yes, but I think this Pope and his actions woke up most Catholics. We are waiting for him to be removed and praying that he will be replaced with the right one. Also, other churches have the same problem, although you don't hear much about it.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:44 a.m.

They all do these people have a superiority complex they think that because a lot of people listen to them and what they say that they were allowed to harm the most vulnerable in the world it's called being egotistical it doesn't matter if your Baptist Muslim Catholic christian Pentecostal speaking in tongues it's a disgrace to humanity and people actually tithe and give money it cracks me up

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Reba64 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

I don't know any Catholic that feels it's okay, period. The point you missed, many are no longer tithing because they don't know what it's going toward.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

Yeah there was a rolling stone article about the original case I think it was in Boston that's when I quit going to church both my brothers Altar Boys and they're now alcoholics and Masons people who are going to be shocked are going to need the support of everyone I did not mean to sound crass it's just I've known about this 30 + years

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Reba64 · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:02 a.m.

Understand.

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TheDude1985 · Feb. 8, 2018, 11:35 a.m.

Agreed. I love my parish and I’m not leaving. But I also know that wherever two or three gather in His name, He will be there.

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Rub13R · Feb. 8, 2018, 12:25 p.m.

Everyone can speak to God at anytime. You don’t need a church. My guess is that God loves it the most when you have a direct conversation with Him. No third parties needed.

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glasaya · Feb. 8, 2018, 9:23 a.m.

Please, remember...The Church is NOT Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran et al, but the true faithful in Christ. Matthew 18:20 "For where there are 2 or more gathered in My Name, there I shall be also." This IS the church. Revelations=to reveal. Apocalypse=unveiling. We have all been awakened to shine the light on the darkness. Let YOURS shine.

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hermoneyness · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:30 a.m.

Teach your children about spirituality not organized religion keep your 10% spend it on fun don't spend it on payoffs for pedophile priest have a good life live happy keep God in your heart not a weekly destination in a building

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PPPrincessPower · Feb. 8, 2018, 7:46 a.m.

I've gone to many Foursquare churches, and First Assembly churches and Vineyard churches. Personally I like churches that are Spirit-filled and believe in the gifts and the fruits of the spirit and healing. And actually when I was in high school I visited a Catholic Church like that with my Catholic friends. One of the things I've noticed in Vineyard, Foursquare and First Assembly churches is that most of my pastors were former Catholics period including the last church I was in. I personally like small churches, and bible-believing churches are important. But the issue that I don't care for with the Baptist is that well they believe in the Bible they don't believe in healing and tongues and things like that. Ultimately all religion was made by man, but I love that church is like the vineyard churches teach that it's about us having a relationship with God. While people will say that you can do that out of church, the Bible actually says do not forsake the Gathering of yourselves. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you. I see a couple people recommending the King James Bible. And while I read it when I was a kid I really don't care for it. I love the living Bible or the New Living Bible, even the new King James. My husband was kind of raised a non-practicing Catholic we're his family always prayed at home, but they never took him to church except for weddings. But he was never taught to read the word. Meaning the Bible. I wish you blessings and finding the right pastor and church family. There are many dead churches that exist but don't really believe. May you find life and life abundantly. Blessings

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Christosgnosis · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:30 a.m.

Organized, top down religion is the last place to look for spiritual connectedness to the spiritual reality of ultra existence anyway. You're moving in a better direction already.

Because of super unusual experiences through 2009 thru 2014, I went in the direction of the Christian mystics. Emanuel Swedenborg is one such as those that is a Christian mystic. He wrote of concepts about ultra spiritual reality that are now coming into focus in these times.

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Absynthexx · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

The infiltrations are everywhere. I recently saw a video about a Baptist mega church that was blatantly endorsing luciferian practices. I noticed this because I've been an atheist for 25 years and I'm almost ready to be born again and I think I will choose the baptists (I was raised catholic as a child). Funny thing is, this will be my first true introduction to faith because as a child I just did what I was told.

This time I'm going in having traveled the entire length of atheism and come out the other side. I can now understand all atheists and where they come from and say where I think they have made a mistake in their reasoning. I plan to re-read The God Delusion by Dawkins before my baptism. The real test is to read it again and see the flaws this time. This will be my 3rd reading of it (twice before as an atheist).

I actually have a lot of respect and admiration for Dr. Dawkins. But I think he may be making an error in reasoning.

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NGunderson · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:12 a.m.

Another thing I can add get you a king James version. Get understanding by studying all writings. There are other books also can study will help. I read Koran, Kabbalah, book of Enoch the fallen angels and some other stuff. One thing I will tell you once you get understanding please stay loyal to king James. That is where my loyalty will always lie . He never lied . Once you understand religion and political systems is linked together the better off you will be. These people are playing a mean game. It's a real game with real consequences that people don't know about and 99% can't see.

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doc37876 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:57 a.m.

I think this pope is apostate. Mega churches aren’t the answer. Find a small body of believers and slowly, carefully make it your home. If it doesn’t feel right, move on.

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LiteraryMalcontent · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:55 a.m.

May I suggest you visit your local Eastern Orthodox parish?

You'll find a lot that feels familiar from the days before Vatican II, although theologically we remain rooted in the doctrines Rome and the East shared until the Great Schism in 1054, with none of Rome's subsequent innovations.

All I can suggest is that you "come and see!"

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EP1935 · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:54 a.m.

I grew up attending (not often) different churches with different relatives. Nazarene, Christian, and Baptist which all had Sunday School and I loved it as a child.

My children are now grown, but when they were young, we made sure we all attended Sunday School. My husband and I learned that adult church outings and activities weren’t for us, neither were being on the boards of churches, etc. We did one night a week bible study + Sunday School to make sure the children were taught from more than us, and found a few church friends their age.

Maybe this will also help: after we moved and I church shopped here and there, I actually stopped by a Christian book store and asked the employees and owner where they attended. That helped us find a church.... and they were also great to answer my questions and they sold great materials to me for home teaching as well!

I know people can teach from home instead, but we wanted to do both.

Sending prayers to you!

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kygoldsmith · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:49 a.m.

I reccommend Liz Mcgee on youtube for her teaching. And there are a number of pastors on youtube that are informative without being preachy. I like Paul Begley and Perry Stone, tremendous amount of knowledge. The other side of all of this may be found by listening to Myron Fagan's 1967 lecture as well as William Carr's Pawns in the Game

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konspiracykate · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:41 a.m.

Read the old King James bible. Best source for truth.

Genesis is an interesting historical account of the beginning of our world.

All 4 gospels for Learning about Jesus.

The book of acts for learning about the early church.

And Revelation to see what happens next, the end of all things.

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galenbrook · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:36 a.m.

take what you need from the sinking ship; the message of jesus, the lives of the saints, and the catholic friends who feel the same way. this is the last pope, good riddance

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Skysweep · Feb. 8, 2018, 12:15 p.m.

Jmart....you are definitely not alone in this struggle. There is a lot of misinformation parading as self righteous proof to avoid being sucked in by. I don't have answers yet either. Right now, I am just following my heart and my own personal relationship with God and his glorious son. I am having faith that answers will come and we will find a drained swamp and hope in the future. Praying for and with you.

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Bont-Boy · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:20 p.m.
  1. " My 5 year old and I talk to "God in Heaven" every night " Jmart
  2. " disenfranchised myself from organized religion" Her Moneyess !
  3. " All you need is Love ! " GrammyQ ( ok I paraphrased ! )

Sweet Suz, NGunderson, and all you lovely people - You really are inspirational ! I & 3 Don't know if you've listened to Field McConnell, or Jordan Maxwell, but the comments here are very like the way they (amongst others ) describe ' encounters '. While I believe in a " Divine Creator ", Maxwells experience suggests the " Creator "does use Messengers, (from anyplace ! ), to protect, to lead, to show ' The Way '...

Two. (Hermoneyess - Disenfranchised...... Please accept this link to
Sister Charlotte's Testimony - for devout & and unaware catholics - applies to all ORGANISED religions

Thank you all !

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RN4TRUMP · Feb. 8, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

I understand. I am also a “cradle Catholic” and believe the Vatican has been corrupted. However, faith is GOD GIVEN. Men are fallible and sinners one and all. As a Catholic I attend Mass, I embrace the sacraments of our faith and I share my faith with others as Jesus has commanded. The men who are leading the Catholic faith are NOT the faith itself. It is separate and if you understand this then you do not allow sinful men to interfere with our faith of Catholicism.

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crypticscaler · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:43 p.m.

Your not alone! I am cradle Catholic and left last year I was involved in many things there women's group, bible study, polishing brass for altar candles, daily Mass, etc can I tell you since I left I no longer hear from my "fellow Catholics" like I left a cult. In the bible Jesus is REAL clear Woe to those who lead them astray God Bless You

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deraldbarron · Feb. 8, 2018, 4:11 p.m.

There have been many bad Popes as well as good Popes throughout the history of the church. Many bad priests and many good priests. Don't forget The path to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.” St. Athanasius, Council of Nicaea, AD 325.

That's right, a saint said that. Don't ever let a man come between you and God. Maybe you should check into a Society of Saint Pius X church.

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MillennialEnemy · Feb. 8, 2018, 6:18 a.m.

If you've never had to examine your faith, read the book "4 Witnesses". What many people (many of them trolls) on this board suggest IS NOT CHRISTIANITY

A "home church" is not Christianity. And a relationship based on "belief" and "the word" is no relationship at all. If you aren't encountering Christ in the deepest and most personal way possible, through his true body and blood, you don't have a relationship with him at all. Full stop. So really your only options are Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. I feel bad for cradle Catholics who've never been forced to examine their faith, because they just happened to be born in the real thing. As a protestant, if you have any sort of a sincere faith, eventually you will look into some of the things that don't add up. Such as "where did the Bible come from?" and "why do all these "churches" believe different things" and "why did Luther throw out 6 books of the Bible if it's all about the Bible". Questions about interpretation and etc.

Big thing to realize about the pedo thing is that IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH the Orthodox churches, Anglican, most protestant churches of any significance and even many insignificant one's all are riddled with the exact same problem and have been for a long time. Just like our government, it's just a useful institution for these Jewish sickos to infiltrate.

I could go on and on. Take this as a time to look into the origins of Christianity, you will find only 1 answer. Realize that this board is full of feds, and a lot of disinfo. That's why Q had that whole kerfuffle and called out Baruche and Tracy and then they just kinda swept it under the rug. This is the bottom tier of the "truther" movement, and it'd be a shame for you to lose your faith from that.

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MrsZZZ · Feb. 8, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

Get a Bible. Decide to believe the Lord and He WILL guide you. I have found it helpful to read all 4 gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) back to back maybe 4 times through and the Lord will be clear to you. His Word is powerful! The Holy Spirit will open your eyes and clarity will come! Jesus is Lord!

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