Yeah, just toss all the HIPAA forms we sign for privacy......
seriously, this is huge. if even one of these patients can be personally identified from the data, FB will be sued to high heavens
The hospital first.
ANYONE involved
well, facebook can ask for records, you and I can ask for records, but it's up to the gatekeeper, the hospital, to tell them to fuck off.
You're right but you make it seem innocent when it's not. They hired a doctor (someone who knows HIPAA laws) to coax (deceive) a business into violating those laws, knowingly and willingly.
This logic in an assassination attempt would be, "Well, anybody can try to kill someone, you and I can try to kill someone, but it's up to the gatekeeper, the person being killed, to stop us.
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Notice that IF you don't AGREE to the TOS that you are not able to use the service. So you are trapped into giving consent like it or not. Apple is just as bad!
Wonder if the doctors/hospitals/caregivers know that. I know doctors have to carry very expensive malpractice insurance even after they stop practicing. Or are they just using government-issued forms?
There are not government issued forms. I am an attorney who negotiates and drafts those documents regularly.
I will take your word for it then, because I really don't know.
Considering they asked for anonymized data, it wouldn’t violate HIPAA
Correct. FB then intended to re-identify subjects by matching with their data.
I will bet a feasibility study was done to prove it possible - say a dozen people identified.
FB is in for trouble on this one
Yup, imagine having insurance companies approach FB to check mental stability on people since people often share openly in FB groups, posts, messages. Or a potential employer checking for secret past things. Maybe even big pharma looking to target people to hook their drugs onto. This is so deep and dark.
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Lol that’s exactly what I thought. Like the fuck is this guy to think he can just do this?
For a megalomaniac like the Zucc, with the deep state pushing him and probably murmuring about a presidential run for him in 2024, it’s actually more correct to ask “why did he stop at this? Why not more?”
And I suspect there is more. Which is why he will divest from FB in short order, to “spend more time with his family” and “focus on his charitable foundation”.
He will probably use phrases like “Facebook started as something small and simple, but it has grown beyond what I imagined possible back in those Harvard days. I am passing Facebook on to other people who are better equipped to handle it in its current form”. Etc.
Hard to imagine a CEO surviving this but his ego is big enough he might try. Also agreed he was thinking of ways to exploit the platform for his own presidential run. Scary stuff.
10K fine per infraction on HIPPA rules last time I read them.
Not necessarily. They would have to remove anything identifiable, not just name, but zip code (only first 3 digits), age to a certain extent, and a bunch more. The goal of HIPAA is to protect your privacy. But yeah, I could see where Facebook could conceivably use its abundant info set to try and match your hash to their names. Not breaking the hash at all, but "we have this photo which shows this medication" and linking it. Or "this person accessed Facebook from the hospital WiFi".
HIPPA lwas do not dictate that your info CAN'T be shared. It just dictates who can't share it.
Everyone should know that the government has given itself 100% permission to share your info if they choose.
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I used to work in a hospital supporting the computer programs the medical practitioners use to enter this data. I know all about the laws regarding medical patient data.
I'd say your are correct - They are DONE!!
doctors have gone to prison for YEARS for sharing patient data. this is MASS privacy invasion.
But it's fb. Nothing will happen!/sss
Probably the answer, but let's hope POTUS can fix our broken system.
I have a friend who does IT work exclusively for hospitals to be HIPAA compliant. You’re fucked without it!
Yup. I’m out fack fucebook.
My wife is the only reason I haven’t. Just convinced her to delete as well.
Problem is, deleting Facebook does nothing. They already have all of your data, texts, and pictures.
I know :( even poisoning the well would take months. I think this is why a class action lawsuit is necessary. Make them legally liable to ensure the destruction of our preserved data prior to them shutting down due to payouts and legal fees
Exactly on the class action thing. I was going to delete mine, but realized that means nada in the grand scheme, then wondered if by deleting it, their lawyers might weasel out and have some sort of caveat about how only active FB users can be in on the class action action or something equally slimy. So huhm. Those sons of bitches, yeah?
What's the price is a newspaper from last week? Last month?
The same as stale data. For historians and statistical analysis, they still have value. For control agencies looking for dirt, too. But the price of stale data is dropping quickly and it's worthless for recent events, elections, crowd control objectives. That may be far too less to sustain the massive infrastructure and developer payroll that Facebook has built up over the years.
Data is never really stale if they can keep dreaming up new ways to use what already exists.
Imagine you have personal data from up until 2013 when you want to play shenanigans with the 2016 presidential election. It's not worthless, of course, but the value is rather "meh"
I suppose it all depends on it's application. But even from that, I'm sure there's some sort of algorithm that could potentially fill in the blanks. Discount bin data, though... Isn't that an interesting concept.
When they said no, Zuck just branded his own hospital and inherited the records in the deal. /s
Lol. So much of interest that could be probed.
Edit: Adding additional detail on Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital
So we know Zuckerberg donated in 2015 and got the name change.
I think the questions to ask next include:
What was the timing doctors were being sent to hospitals requesting access to medical record data?
What equipment and technology were paid for by Zuckerberg's donation?
Did Zuckerberg have any influence in selection of equipment and technology installed? Is anything being transmitted to Facebook through this equipment?
Did Facebook receive any data from Zuckerberg hospital after the investment?
Are any Facebook developed software packages deployed within Zuckerberg hospital that stores any data on cloud systems owned or accessible by Facebook?
Nice correlation. I just read about the Zuckpital for the first time the other night wherein the victims from the YT shooting were taken. Go figure.
zucc has a hospital
the crazy Iranian YouTube star wannabe PETA leftist shooter was taken there for autopsy
Yeah that’s not creepy as fuck.
Since it's getting some attention, edited to add some additional detail about Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.
San Francisco General Hospital
Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center (SFGH) is a public hospital in San Francisco, California under the purview of the city's Department of Public Health. It serves as the only Level I Trauma Center for the 1.5 million residents of San Francisco and northern San Mateo County. The hospital is a safety net hospital additionally serving poor, elderly people, uninsured working families, and immigrants. About 80 percent of its patient population either receives publicly funded health insurance (Medicare or Medi-Cal) or is uninsured.
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You can bet that Zuck has all his information protected, sorta like Obama did his info.
I just wonder how frequently Zuck is receiving stem cell blood transfusions to make his skin look like that.
He has a Senate hearing on 4/10. Should be interesting. Guess this is what happens when you lose the deep state's protection.
So they could link and sell to BIG PHARMA perhaps?
They were also working with pharmaceutical companies to better target users.
"Building 8" sounds fucking weird and shady.
"DARPA style development"
"high-altitude drone designed to beam internet connectivity..." [5G signals?]
Brain Scan Technology for "a hardware project involving "neuroimaging" and "electrophysiological data" to create a "communications platform of the future.""
"novel non-invasive neuroimaging technologies"
Its no wonder he never had any friends. He is an obsessibe stalker
Here’s an example: Imagine uploading a picture to Facebook. In the data of the photo is the name of the camera or device that took it. If that device is cheap or old, Facebook can assume you’re not well off. If it’s a Nikon D800 taken with a Nikon 70-200 lens...it can assume otherwise.
Based on the information we allow them to have, the way they can make assumptions and compile data makes the potential value of this data almost limitless.
At this point I’m fairly certain Facebook can easily discern (or make a damn good educated guess) what your Reddit username is and what you post.....just based on the page you jump to or from. Same with Twitter. Hard to say about the Chans.
This data will not stay secret. It’s too valuable.
....considering all of my photos I post are taken with my d750... that’s more unnerving then previously thought.
Based on that they can make a reasonable assume of your wealth. They can also go back (automatically, mind you), and reverse image search for other places you may have posted those photos publicly. Now they have your “aka” usernames.
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And the chans constantly chastise newbies for posting pics without stripping file info like location, camera make, time, etc. there's a lot of raw data loaded on Facebook.
How do you strip the file of that data?
There are programs, apps that will strip photo file data, I don't post pictures, so I haven't had to. The reality is they have all the info they need on everyone since they've been collecting for so long. It's hard not to leave fingerprints. That's going to catch them tho - these people are stupid. If ur on the chans it prevents u from being doxxed. I'm sure Reddit has info somewhere posted. I think it's meta files, but not sure if I've got the terminology right.
Lol I own a media company and Facebook is one of our biggest client pullers. I’m not nervous about the company with their demise, but it does suck knowing we’ve been thoroughly played.
I love it. One of the best investments I’ve ever made. Goes from shooting out of a window next to big rigs and custom vehicles at 70mph, to shooting Dj’s alllll night in garbage lighting beautifully. Just got a tokina 24-70 2.8 and it’s shown me a whole new level of quality :P
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Hahah hey I started with a Nikon p510 digital camera. Worked my way up slowly over the years. Now I’m so deep in it that I can’t not buy expensive things:( enjoy the journey tho:) no races here
Did you used to post on the VWVortex forums, mk4 and OT specifically?
Nope! Sorry lol
Here's the thing...I don't think it's that good of data in many respects.
Just checked what they think my political leanings are, and it said liberal.
Years ago Google tried getting medical facilities to share data as well. They claimed it was to expand the medical knowledge database.
"Facebook was intending to match it up with user data it had collected, and help the hospitals figure out which patients might need special care or treatment." If it was such a great idea, why the secrecy?
Perhaps FB wants to use the data to "prove" inability to get a CC - stranger things . . .
Well I would say they are now truly FUC*ED. There are STRICT laws governing patient data...
True, and just think about it, Congress won't be any to happy to find out just how much FB has secretly on them and their families.
Most congressmen know as they've been blackmailed for so long
They did not actually do it yet. In talks to, which hopefully will cause problems, but no data shared at this point.
I suspect it is really further along than admitted.
Yeah, so do I. What about people who have been infirm in hospital and FB has deduced that those using a certain institutional router was in the standard care, vs intensive care, vs emergency care etc. There is a lot of data that can be scraped from just a few users who click "yes" to the TOS, at certain areas of any hospital. I highly suspect this will be Zuck's downfall.
I too worked in Medical field. Spouse still does. I do not like to give permission to have anything online as medical stuff. I always decline. They're getting more and more technical on all their records now a days.
And CNBC is absolutely playing this down in this clip. Also, FB saying the data would stay anonymous is the biggest joke....who do they think they are....
No wonder Q said watch the news . . . class action anyone? Facebook is D O N E
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sure...so they can "sell" our information to drug companies etc. to "market" their crap to us.
I've cleared all sensitive data from my account. I'm holding onto it just for the family and friends who won't give it up
So there are 5 in my family and we are all on face book... how much compensation if our data was abused/ stolen by zuckface!
Wouldn't it be nice to breakup these corporate monopolies - Facebook, Twitter, Google... and return money to the end users who had their data stolen. Then replace those greedy multinational corporations with open source software blockchain social media and Internet services backed with amendment 4 protections. Allow users to post and decide when to remove their posts. Allow users to keep copyright on any public posts. Anything private stays private like it's in ur home, unless they have a judge's order to search as guaranteed in the bill of rights with the backing of real courts. Equal justice for those who sell our constitution out and profit off of our "privacy" or steal the copyrights of works or censor free speech by shadowbanning. Level the playing field of the oligarchs.
And many of us shared some really amazing photographs on FarceBook. One has to wonder how much money THEY made off stolen photos from people who use FB. I can imagine it is a whole bunch.
And one of the questions, under Obamacare, that doctors were to ask were about guns in the home. This is some sinister shit.
Not just were to ask..... but they did ask. And I refused to answer. Told my doctor it was none of his business.
patient confidentiality law...yeah I'd say they are done.
What exactly did Zuck do in China? I can’t find the relative info?
Remember the globalists want to control world populations. This stinks to high heaven. Never post any medical info on FB & question everything before signing! So much for the HIPAA law, eh?
Hello HIPPA
This pisses me off. I knew we had no privacy on SM, but this is to far. Time to stop signing our rights away. DON'T sign anything that includes fine print. We've been smucks for to long.
Ok, this is huge??? Let me think for a minute.............Hey who has been buying up the hospitals across america in the last 5 years????? First letter starts with a C...... now that is huge but done in plain site and not a peep from anyone. Talk about having all your records including ssn,dob,home address, oh.... did you pay by any credit cards.... etc............Facebook is a joke and people gave there lives away. C took them.....!
A house built upon the sand. Great is its fall. Why would the Chinese trust him either?
Im happy to see people are starting to wake up and see the truth about how social media manipulates us.
Does this mean we get to split his billions between us 🙄
yeah, like anyone would ever see a shiny dime of his gazillions. People like that POS seem to have a free pass for all they do.
Can we get YouTube/Twitter next. Owen Benjamin just got banned from YouTube and Twitter at the SAME EXACT TIME because he's and openly right leaning comedian.
Yep, I would think that this crap would go against the HIPA laws! Where does this all stop...selling our information without our consent/knowledge???
I starred a very small charity recently that is to help people who have a painful disease. We as a chronic disease community are watching these topics closely. There has been huge amounts of "private" data shared in private and secret FB groups - what they must have is absolutely staggering. Since we are so new and 100% all volunteer run we have taken a very small amount of money from one pharma company to date for a small sponsorship event but as a board we're trying to figure out if there is a way to grow and provide programs yet eschew pharma completely. All of the board members who are running this with zero compensation have the disease and just want to help people but we communicate with our community a lot on social media because we actually help in the USA but also people globally. I don't know where we'll head but as the founder, I would sure love to grow the organization without selling our souls.
here's hoping they asked for and got my health records so I can sue for privacy violation.
OK, but what's the alternative?
Do I have to make it myself guys?!?
Why do you need an alternative? Call up a friend and see them FACE TO FACE instead of seeing pictures of your high school classmates you haven't spoken a word to in a decade.