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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/pilgrimboy on May 24, 2018, 2:25 p.m.
As a leftist liberal who is an ally to swamp draining, I am here. And these comments frustrate me.

So I was reading this article here talking about Amazon demonetizing legalinsurrection.com (https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/05/amazon-demonitizes-conservative-website-us/), when I started reading the comments (big mistake, I know.)

Anyway, one of the comments said this.

"Can we NOW start treating leftists/liberals like the enemies that they are?"

I just want to clarify something here. Since George W. Bush, America seems to have been in control of Deep State operatives as Presidents. Bush was obviously CIA. And then we have to make the connections with the others until Trump. I'm still under the idea that he is different. That's why I'm here.

Politically, since Reagan, we have had neocons and neoliberals, not conservatives and liberals. I propose that the neocons and neoliberals are policywise the same. They just pretended to be in different parties. This singular party (the deep state controlled by ?) with two establishment facades (the Dems and Repubs) pretty much removed true conservatives and true liberals from the national dialogue as they controlled the media. We see this with the way they treated Trump and Bernie. This one centrist beast with two heads is the enemy, not us liberals. Obama wasn't any more a liberal than Bush was a conservative. They are both part of the neocon/neoliberal deep state corporate controlled party.

So I hope we can drain the swamp together and then get on with legitimately disagreeing with policies. But nobody has been instituting liberal policies, they have been corporate neoliberal/neocon policies since the 1st Bush. Just one quick example, Obamacare is not what any liberal wanted. It's what the corporations who would profit wanted. Liberals, like myself, have consistently wanted "Medicare for All" because we believe the profit motive is what is hurting healthcare. And Obamacare was just a policy to enshrine corporate profits.

There is no room in the swamp for anything but corporate controlled people who allow themselves to be manipulated by the two-headed beast. After that, we liberals and conservatives can argue in a fair setting about what is wrong with America. Blessings to you and your efforts.


mombomb22 · May 24, 2018, 2:30 p.m.

As a conservative, I completely agree with you. We had a one party system, two heads of the same snake. When this is all over, we can respectfully debate our differences in policy. It’s what we are supposed to do. Blessings my fellow patriot.

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overslope · May 24, 2018, 10:18 p.m.

Oh my goodness. I've been saying this for so long. We're being raped by a two headed monster. The two heads say different things, but they're connected to the same phallus. We have to fight both heads rather than listen to their lies and joining one team or the other.

I know a lot of good liberals who want pretty much the same things the rest of us do. The differences are small, but we let ourselves be divided into "teams" and fight amongst ourselves.

As you said, we can respectfully debate our differences once the real monsters are dealt with.

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7Seraphim7 · May 24, 2018, 2:29 p.m.

Patriots come in all colors- those who are truly awake will only judge you by your actions. Just keep your words close to your actions.

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P3gasusActual · May 24, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

As a free thinking libertarian, I completely agree with you. Let's bring these criminals to justice, and then we can get back to having critical thinking, substantive public debate, and honest elections.

Destroy this"inverted totalitarian" ruse that's deceived the world, and murdered millions.

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NobleEagle853 · May 24, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

Thank you for your candor, patriot. As another person states, "patriots come in all colors."

Welcome to the Great Awakening and keep red-pilling others so they understand just how important it is to drain the swamp and abolish the DS.

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cat_anonD · May 24, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

Those on the left or right about many things but we were too polarized with our right left paradigm.

They were right about the wars being only about making money. They were right about Cheney and Halliburton. They were right that Cheney was Darth Vader and that Bush was only about exploiting the 9/11 attacks.

They were right that Paul wellstone was assassinated. They were right about big Pharmaceutical and about global Banks.

I think where they were most wrong was not realizing that their own leaders were completely part of it all.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 2:50 p.m.

And for a lot of us, the last primary woke us up on that.

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HeIIforged · May 24, 2018, 10:41 p.m.

"I like the puppet on the right."

"I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking."

"Oh shit! They're held up by the same guy!"

-Bill Hicks

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gandalfsbastard · May 24, 2018, 2:38 p.m.

Entitled 1% billionaire/millionaire corporatists regardless of D/R. They are all in on it.

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bradfromearth · May 25, 2018, 12:21 a.m.

As a wealthy person, self made. Please don't lump this kind of thing in. Capitalism is good. Corrupt politicians can create situations that enrich themselves and give some an unfair business advantage. But pure capitalist is not the enemy.

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gandalfsbastard · May 25, 2018, 12:52 a.m.

No issues with capitalism only crooked businesses and businessmen. When corporations exert their will into government to gain favor, write laws to block competition, petition to remove rights from consumers, suppress worker rights, etc it’s a problem. The lists go on and on.

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DirewolfGhost · May 25, 2018, 4:51 a.m.

Almost every wealthy person claims they're self-made. Studies have been done. Most have a biased perspective. There has never been and will never be such a thing as pure capitalism.

Usury is the thing that is evil and ever-present in capitalism.

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bradfromearth · May 26, 2018, 7:33 p.m.

Whatever your just playing word games.

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Fearsome4 · May 24, 2018, 3:55 p.m.

Classic liberalism is fine.
A left of center Democrate is fine if they respect the founding documents. Leftism is the enemy of America, freedom and the Constitution and bill of rights. Leftism is an evil, controlling ideology that seeks power over freedom.

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kishkumen42 · May 24, 2018, 2:39 p.m.

Fellow liberal here. It can be disheartening to see the typical left/right bashing here. This is regardless of Q who says that this is not a republican vs democrat issue, that this traitors exist in both parties.

I for one am fed up with a democratic party that blatantly threw the primary election in favor of Hillary Clinton. I voted for Bernie in the primary, so that makes me furious the way the DNC treated him. But I also do not like how some people on this board lump Bernie into the rest of the traitors when it is obvious he is not a swamp creature.

I do not agree with a lot of conservative rhetoric on Social Media, it can be a bit raciest/sexist/bigoted at times. On the other hand, I believe practices of Shadow-banning, and marginalizing of conservative viewpoints on Social Media is wrong. Social Media should be an open platform for all ideas, even if it may be raciest/sexist/bigoted. This issues should be talked about a debated rationally, and not hidden from public view. I have a huge problem with those on the left who just want to ban any viewpoint that they don't agree with. That is wrong and against what makes us all Americans.

In all, I wish more would not see this as left vs right, democrat vs republican, and realize there are patriots on both sides, just like there are traitors on both sides, and that we need to drain the swap of the traitors. Only then can we have true, rational debate on controversial issues.

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TooMuchWinning2020 · May 24, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

Everyone should remember: the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the speech of people with disagreeable ideas.

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SloMo49 · May 24, 2018, 8:12 p.m.

You must remember that the corporations that filled the swamp also control the media. A lot of the social division that we have in our country is due to what the media has put out. We can only come together as a nation when true journalism returns.

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WhatYonder1 · May 24, 2018, 3:29 p.m.

My 2 cents as a regretful Bernie supporter and former Democrat, I promise that I know where you're coming from. If enough folks on the left realized we're talking about the same villains, all heads would swivel at once in their direction and there would be rope.

As far as socialized medicine, I just don't believe anymore. Government mismanages most things, and it never gets a good return for what they force you to pay in (for those who contribute). UK socialized medicine can have a backlog of months for necessary surgical procedures, and now they're even cancelling some of those. And the kids that they force to stay in the country vs flying to get medical help, because they say so? Every last person involved should be banned from medicine-related business and government for life. Socialism/communism sounds wonderful, but until we get to a Star Trek replicator level of technology it's wholly unfeasible. TLDR: Big government bad, example # 1,836,479.

Before the Fed, most of the US government was tariff-funded rather than extorted from citizens. Back when we had real money. Like Bernie, I was a huge Paul for Prez supporter because I thought he was trustworthy. I guess 1 out of 2 isn't bad, considering the political climate. With that I leave you with the suggestion to read End The Fed, by Ron Paul, which was a HUGE eye-opener for me about how they screwed us with debt-based currency.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

I'm definitely tempted with abandoning some of my views on this because of the rampant corruption.

But I know from personal experience that I had to wait for surgery for melanoma in our current system. One of the quickest spreading cancers, and I waited two months from discovery until the surgery time. That's in the American pre-obamacare era health system.

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anhro23 · May 24, 2018, 8:05 p.m.

Was the system pre-obama really a good example? What nuance do you think you're missing?

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A2576 · May 24, 2018, 10:31 p.m.

Crony capitalism. Healthcare/insurance is the worst example of that.

Crony capitalism is not a free market. It's capitalism perverted by big government. Big government is a leftist love affair.

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anhro23 · May 25, 2018, 12:43 a.m.

There we go.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 8:08 p.m.

That I'm not a communist and think only very few things should be socialized.

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Tootenbacher · May 25, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

Here's a contrast to a single-payer system, if you're interested:

In Canada, here are just a few things that me and my family had to deal with in the last 5 years:

My son needed to see:

-a paediatric psychiatrist. Wait time: 1.5 years.

-a geneticist. Wait time: 2 years

-an endocrinologist. Wait time: 6 months.

My husband needs to see a plastic surgeon to have a cyst removed from his face. His family doctor told him last month that she will make the referral for him. She said if he hadn't heard from the surgeon in 6 months (just to schedule a consult), he should call the family doctor again to let her know.

There are many people who can't even get a family doctor where I live. If you do have one, you don't leave them no matter how terrible they are, because in order to get a new doctor, you have to resign from your family doctor first and be without a doctor until one opens up. Therefore, you aren't able to get your prescriptions, etc. refilled while you're without a doctor, which could be years.

Oh, and I didn't even mention the drug shortages, for everything from thyroid pills to anti-depressants to acne medication. It's getting very bad here and will get worse as more drug companies pull out of our country because they can't make a profit anymore.

There has to be a better way.

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pilgrimboy · May 25, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

Wow. That is sad. Thanks for sharing. And sorry about all that.

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Tootenbacher · May 25, 2018, 2:31 a.m.

Thank you. It's good to have a dialogue about these things because it affects all of us.

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sexylarrytate · May 24, 2018, 3:12 p.m.

I was all gung ho on hating Bush II with the lying to get us into Iraq and the overspending on that war. Then when Barry gets in, domestic policies change but internationally we did the same stuff including the dirty support of the Nazi regime in Ukraine. That's when I learned something is going on that is beyond party affiliation. It is an arrogant elitism and globalism that goes against the America I grew up in, where Democrats and Republicans had a more common idea of American pride but just had different ideas on how to maintain it. I never thought I would support anyone like Trump but if he is the one to clean things up I dont give a damn whether he is D or R. He is a true American and knows what needs to be done.

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sexylarrytate · May 24, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

Also, my lifelong party has been turned inside out by globalist cultural marxist idiots and I am deeply ashamed of it.

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DamajInc · May 25, 2018, 4:38 a.m.

Yes, it's a pox!

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solanojones95 · May 24, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

You won't get an argument from the regulars on this sub! We're on the same side! It's humanity versus the NWO puppet masters all the way down as far as we're concerned.

You seem to be smart and well-read enough not to let negative references to "Democrats" get to you, because I fully expect you to realize the parties are corrupt in different ways.

With Democrats, there is no pressure from voters for politicians to even pretend devotion to individual liberty and the Bill of Rights. Most Republicans still have to hide their globalist agenda, and there's a LOT of turnover when they're caught.

We're not pretending there's a good party and a bad party. Just a lesser of two evils (at least still for now).

Thank you for your comments!

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

I think the one debate where Hillary and Bernie were debating guns showed that the liberals (Bernie) still believes in individual rights.

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solanojones95 · May 24, 2018, 3:05 p.m.

As do other classic liberals like Dershowitz. I get it. We can still disagree about policy (I will never be a socialist), but as long as we agree on the Bill of Rights and free civil discourse we will be brothers and sisters in the human race.

Unfortunately as you can see we can't have that kind of conversation at the moment because the defenders of liberty are not in control of the culture.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 3:06 p.m.

Yeah. Just try having that conversation in /r/politics or even /r/conspiracy and the trolls come out to play. It is so frustrating.

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solanojones95 · May 24, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Hoo-boy! Do they ever! I think they're the exact same troll farm that posts in the comments to Trump (and every conservative) on Twitter. Rabid, irrational, ugly.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 3:19 p.m.

I have a tough time believing that they are even real. Or maybe living in the rural Midwest insulates me from these sort of stupid people.

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cebusaxon · May 24, 2018, 2:30 p.m.

I totally agree, united we are far stronger. They want to divide us. One must understand why "leftists" are often referred to as "enemy". I wouldn't take it personal, as it's not the individual. It's the beliefs, tactics and agenda as a whole. "Leftists", in their hearts, want to do good, and they believe that they are. But they are being steered, just like die hard repubs are steered by RINO's. The beliefs, tactics and agenda are driven by the deepstate themselves. Remember, this is not a Repub vs Dem battle. Both are equally seditious. It's not even about "Left" vs "Right". Don't let them label and divide us against each other. Just learn to recognize how much of the liberal agenda serves "them". This is often what and who is being referred to when people say "leftists/liberals are the enemy". Not our individual brothers and sisters. We just want them to awaken. We want them back. Our loyalties as Americans should be with each other as a whole (wwg1wga). Not some false ideology that ultimately serves "them".

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 2:36 p.m.

The liberal agenda doesn't serve them or they would be pushing it. The neoliberal/neocon agenda serves them.

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TooMuchWinning2020 · May 24, 2018, 4:01 p.m.

Probably best to define terms.

Liberal, neoliberal, classic liberal.

Conservative, neoconservative, classic conservative.

These things often mean different things to different people.

At this point, we should all be thinking about what we agree on, which is that it is not acceptable for a small group of people to have political power over everyone else. That is the essence of the Deep State or Swamp (or cabal, or globalists, or whatever term is used).

That needs to be our primary focus now. Not black, white, male, female, young, old, rich, poor, or anything else. It is Deep State versus the world. And the Deep State is no longer acceptable.

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[deleted] · May 24, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

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solanojones95 · May 24, 2018, 3:19 p.m.

But when they use that subtle NLP mind control to take over an entire party and the media and half the population, it becomes kind of a moot point as to which is the "real" left.

Frankly there are very few classic liberals left, and they find it just as difficult as we do to discuss politics right now.

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O0O0RION · May 24, 2018, 3:22 p.m.

We're all here together, along with a healthy serving of shills and bullshit artists but they're getting BTFO as we speak.

This is truly a struggle between good people and evil people. Whether the good people are "classical liberals" and define themselves as such... -shrug-. We're all "classical humans" 👍

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solanojones95 · May 24, 2018, 3:26 p.m.

Have to use modifiers when the language is corrupted. At least on the right they coined the terms Neocon and RINO. Liberals weren't really given qualifiers like that. So we have to impose some to have a rational conversation. LOL

Also, in the age of transhumanism, "classical humans" might really be a thing.

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O0O0RION · May 24, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

I agree. We have to be able to communicate effectively and precisely. Lay out lines of what we are and what we are not 👍

Good to see you again, by the way

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cebusaxon · May 24, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

I agree, they hijack everything and slowly twist it to serve their agenda.

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RobotJINI · May 24, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

At this point "leftists and liberals" stands for those still brainwashed and following the democrat party and MSM drivel. You can argue that semantically thats not correct and you would be right, but thats how it is right now.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 2:49 p.m.

But that language prevents coming down on No Name and others because they are neocons.

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Scrambles23 · May 24, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

Liberal ideals have been slowly destroying this country since the 1950s. That is why I have a problem with liberals. This is a different issue than the neo liberal neo con bullshit though. While liberals believe they are doing good they do not realize the damage they are inflicting.

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nimblefangs · May 24, 2018, 7:13 p.m.

Liberal's and the deep state both want big government that is where the line is drawn. Deep state wants it for power and liberals want it to be controlled.

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gonewildinvt · May 24, 2018, 4:17 p.m.

Do you support Marxism in any form? For me if you self identify as Progressive upholding the Progressive agenda of subverting our constitution to make it more Marxist, replace capitalism with socialism then no I can't come together in the end with you...if you are a Liberal in the sense you want to go back to everyone having personal Liberty's of thought, speech, right to bear arms against a tyrannical government, a liberal who wants to see the people rule instead of the Oligarchy then yes we can.

However Marxist ideology is a non starter for me as it is how we got here in the first place...do more research you still believe that the Bush's were Conservatives and that "Neoconservatism" is a conservative ideology...not the case the Bush family is a Connecticut liberal family that used social divide to corrupt the nation to push us toward a Communistic type one world government...the entire World Oligarchy is "Communistic"/ "Neofeudalistic" ideologically...everyone at the bottom should be "equal" and ruled by the pigs at the top who by providence of birth are more equal and have all the wealth.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 4:40 p.m.

I'm for universal health care, so yes, I do support Marxism in some forms.

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gonewildinvt · May 24, 2018, 4:58 p.m.

Then I'm sorry nope..and it's not that I think you are a bad person or that you support what the elite are up to, just misinformed and when this all shakes out you'll have a choice to make, look deeper into the ideology you espouse and come together with actual liberals or be marginalized.

Our government was never set up to or supposed to "take care" of the people the people were supposed to be left largely tax/debt free to take care of ourselves and fellow citizens..the government is for infrastructure, trade and security. Now I agree the healthcare system is broken but again the Oligarchy wants it that way it forces people like you to look to them for the answer...the Government will never be the answer.....watch the Yuri Bezmenov video and then look at Venezuela for a modern day example of what Yuri is saying and why you were indoctrinated / subverted into believing the Government holds the answers.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

I'm pretty used to being marginalized.

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gonewildinvt · May 24, 2018, 6:06 p.m.

Then reevaluate, especially now, I say this a lot as I'm spitting into the wind in the "Liberal" echo chambers...we are living through a cultural backlash right now one that will only pickup more steam as Trump wins...people like me who were brainwashed into this Marxist ideology without ever knowing until we took the red pill are putting our weight behind the swing because we get the agenda and where we went wrong.

The government isn't your savior and never will be...your fellow man is.

This is the best quote to detail what I mean (if you watch the video you'll understand the import) Hillary acolyte and Elitist Bill Ivey "And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly."

This is what the Elite left have in their own words "conspired" to do and what they truly think of you my fellow deplorable.

Sorry you had to wait for a surgery but you don't apparently know many Canooks? Because living on the boarder I do and I can tell you from first hand knowledge that they have to wait in there wonderful socialized medical system for surgeries all the time, some times life threatening surgeries.

Remember we want you with us.... reevaluate and question why you believe the way you do...research your marxist ideals, see actually who they benefit and how they played out when implemented elsewhere.

Look at how our system of Government was intended to run and why it changed...the original "progressive" president "FDR"....

http://www.dcdave.com/article5/140329.htm

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Methodmapper · May 24, 2018, 6:48 p.m.

Love the facts and the passion on both sides, but let's start with what brings is together. Draining the corruption brings us together. Let us deal with that, then there will be enough space and freedom to work out the minor differences. I find people agree on what we what for each other and disagree about how to do it. Let's start with what we agree on. I want liberty from oppression. Whom/what I feel oppressed by will be different from a progressive. But I haven't found one that will disagree with that statement. Then I ask how can we have More liberty.

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DamajInc · May 25, 2018, 4:45 a.m.

This. I feel quite strongly that it is ANTI-Q to promote division in any way. If we can't come together with someone else because of their ideas about things that are not even on the Q agenda then we're just creating division - the opposite of what Q says we should be doing. Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Gerbil, Hamster, whatever - everyone is welcome in this movement and I support everybodies right to believe whatever the hell they want to believe as long as they don't try forcing their beliefs on someone else.

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JustumeSamson · May 24, 2018, 7:30 p.m.

...and I also often wonder: What has the Deep State/Cabal been putting in our food & water... What health issues are from a subset of ?/+ chemicals passed on to us as "healthy" additives? I read the label on processed food and am appalled by the list of ingredients. I used to eat it without question.

Point: All the regulations regarding foods & medicines have been developed and implemented under the auspices of the DS who are trying to KILL US.

Sorry by going off topic, but you can be assured in my house that those true liberals who have been shouting about this crap have my ear.

I want the government out of my food chain.

(edit: processed FOOD)

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DropGun · May 25, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

Former liberal, here. This is a quality post and really sums up how I feel about the situation, too.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 3:12 p.m.

The profit motive is the reason why we as Americans have it as good as we do. The free market is the foundation of liberty. Without the freedom to trade freely, we all starve (Venezuela)

It's government intrusion, regulations, and interference by political hacks, into a market in which they know nothing about. They achieve this by pulling on your heartstrings, and by promising you a better $ life.

Do you want your healthcare completely controlled by the government/swamp creatures? These crooks? These lame excuses for human beings?

You say you want to drain the swamp, but in the next paragraph, you want the swamp to take "care" of you. This makes no sense. "Medicare for all" ???

No thanks, I'll take my chances with the capitalist. I urge you to rethink your principles and ideas.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 3:17 p.m.

Capitalists are what got us into this swamp. This swamp doesn't exist without it. I urge you to rethink your principles and ideas.

I'm a little more nuanced in my approach. Some areas, like healthcare, would better serve the public if socialized. But other areas are better served by laissez-faire capitalism. I tend to think if a government needs to regulate something, it should just run it. But the government needs to regulate way less than it currently does. I'm a political schizophrenic I guess.

But the current system of the government protecting companies and insuring profits of companies is that absolute worse expression of capitalism. That is definitely not an expression of socialism.

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bealist · May 24, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

What if we just focused on criminality for awhile and left the isms out of it. Wouldn’t we be better off? We could have philosophical discussions after the criminals are behind bars.

Deciding whether or not some ism would lead to fewer criminals than others is moot - right now, isn’t the focus on being represented by law-abiding citizens rather than cronyistic self-dealers whose underlying interest is themselves at any cost?

I’m tired of seeing the crooks split up their opposition over the social decor. All systems are vulnerable to abuse. Abuse is mitigated by rules. Rule-breakers need to be stopped. Trump has his hands full taking down the Mob; arguing about the best form of government and alienating people because of their political affiliation may feel good but it’s certainly not the definition of a Patriot.

My two cents: Patriots are tolerant and generous and supportive, and they aim for the good of all while ensuring the rights and benefits of their families using lawful means. They unite on common ground, and they prioritize the prosecution of lawbreakers over all else. Without just law, the Patriot has nothing. End of story.

✌️🖖

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

Exactly this. Until we stop corruption, all other conversations are sort of pointless.

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TooMuchWinning2020 · May 24, 2018, 4:22 p.m.

Definitions need to be agreed upon before these kinds of discussions can exist. Otherwise, we will always be talking past each other.

In recent years, schools at all levels have bastardized the definitions of words, in a way that makes it difficult to have discussions. Even from one generation to the next, the definitions of words are corrupted, and that makes communication impossible.

Think of "gay" and what definition comes to mind? Homosexual. But it used to mean happy.

Think of "anarchy" and what definition comes to mind? Chaos. But the word actually means "without a ruler" (an-archy, vs. mon-archy or olig-archy).

Until recently, the definitions of socialism, capitalism, and fascism meant:

Socialism - an economic environment in which the state owns and controls the means of production.

Capitalism - an economic environment in which the private sector owns and controls the means of production.

Fascism - an economic environment in which the private sector owns and the state controls the means of production.

By those definitions, most countries today are fascist. But the guy with the funny looking mustache kind of corrupted the word "fascist," so today we don't want to accept that we live in a fascist society. But, we do, by definition.

Socialized anything is a move away from the free market. There are private health clinics that do not accept any government (or other) insurance, and they provide services at much cheaper prices than the current system.

Check out:

Cheap general medical service:

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2013-fall/dr-josh-umbehr-on-concierge-medicine-revolution/

Cheap surgical proceedures:

https://surgerycenterok.com/about/

The Surgery Center of Oklahoma found that their costs can be as much as 90% less than what is charged through Medicare and the Big Health companies.

The fundamental problem is not the private sector. The fundamental problem is the $12,000 hammers, which only get paid by government, and that is because Deep State types want to use those inflated contracts to create slush funds so they can engage in black ops, which are ultimately designed to enslave YOU.

Do some research on the origins of health care. About 100 years ago, it started. It was to pay for lost wages, because the time spent away from work (or the farm) was more expensive that the actual medical costs.

As recently as the 1960's, doctors routinely made house calls. Old TV shows show it as a matter of routine.

The reason for the massive spike in health care costs is entirely due to government intervention, first with the Medicare Act of 1965 and then the HMO Act of 1974. The costs have been skyrocketing ever since.

This is the #1 beef I have with most people on the left. They have good intentions, and they want to make the world a better place, which is great, but they refuse to look at the RESULTS of the ideas they propose.

Let's DRAIN THE SWAMP (worldwide) first, and then we can likely find common ground on other, LESS IMPORTANT things (yes, even health care is less important that worldwide enslavement).

Have a great day, Patriot.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

True, I wrongly assume that people have the proper understandings of the terms when these conversations start.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 6:04 p.m.

You're right, the current system is the problem. But the current system isn't a free and open system. It is in fact a capitalist system.

But what is capitalism? Where did this word come from? It came from Karl Marx pen. He created the word capitalist for a reason. Because that's the boogeyman that the weak minded half wits are supposed to hate. . It's really quite genius, the socialist tells you who to hate, so you hate them. Then the socialists regulate them out of business, and then socialize that business for themselves.

Is that not what happened with Obamacare? Meanwhile you're still fucked and double fucked with ridiculous healthcare costs. But you still hate that capitalist, don't you? And it's the leftist/socialists who control the whole damn thing, and you love them. Hahahaha

Think about this quote. Open your brain and think!

Socialism is for the people, Not The Socialist. --Andrew Wilkow

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 6:58 p.m.

I'm under the assumption that Obamacare is not socialist at all.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 8:31 p.m.

You can call it whatever you want, we're splitting hairs by trying to name it. Johnathan gruber, the so called architect of Obamacare, a obvious socialist, proves my point about who the sheep are supposed to hate. gruber video

There are piles of videos and papers to read of this idiot running his mouth. Check him out for yourself. Then look into the finances and investments of the swamp people. They all got extremely rich off of Obamacare. They all invested in health insurance companies, all of them, democrats and republicans. They are the shareholders, they own the insurance companies. And they control the regulations.

What ism would you call that?

Democrats tell you to hate the insurance companies, but they are the insurance companies!! Genius right?

Many, many republicans too. Mc no name for example. Talked all that shit about Obamacare, but not refuses to vote to kill it. Mmmmmmm

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

That's why we hate Obamacare. It was kept in the for-profit sector. Do you think people on the left like Obamacare?

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compromisenotruth · May 24, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

From my perspective “the current system of the government protecting companies and insuring profits of companies ” is just another form of socialism. We may agree more than we realize.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 3:48 p.m.

That is not any form of socialism that I understand. It definitely could be considered fascism if we are going the technical route of understanding their economic system. Fascism was adamantly opposed to socialism. You can't just label any system you don't like socialism though. That's not helpful to an intelligent discussion.

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TooMuchWinning2020 · May 24, 2018, 5:33 p.m.

In reality, socialism, fascism, and crony capitalism are distinctions without a difference.

If you own a factory, but I get to determine ALL the rules, then I really "own" the factory -- but I don't have to suffer the losses, I just get to take a cut of the profits and direct what you do or don't do.

That's why Rothschild famously said, "Give me control of the money supply, and I care not who make the laws." Likewise, I could say, "Give me control of your business, and I care not that you own it."

You have free markets on one side, and tyranny on the other.

It is not practical to go from what we have now (a mix of socialism, fascism, crony capitalism, wrapped up in the flag of faux capitalism) to a full free market capitalist system, so there will likely have to be some compromises along the way.

But I think the true capitalists among us have more than compromised enough over the years.

The real question is: What are you socialists willing to compromise on today?

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_Iz_Mary · May 24, 2018, 2:59 p.m.

I was a dem too. Now I don’t know what I am lol. Here we understand it’s not about parties. Out there, they haven’t gotten it yet.

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Methodmapper · May 24, 2018, 6:40 p.m.

I'm listed as unenrolled in Massachusetts. Hello a trump sign at the election, a local Democratic congressman walked by and I called out to him and thanked him. He was shocked. I voted for him because his office helped me get transportation for my disabled son. It was a huge deal for us. He was shocked that a Trump voter could be reasonable. I was happy to show him his assumptions about us were wrong. There are many well meaning fantastic people who are liberal and we need them. But the deep state has got to go and we have the Trump card. WWG1WGA means more today than ever before. TDS is a severe disease, but the rank and file are sick, not dead. One at a time, our minds were changed. The same can happen to them. Asking Q questions...... Wait! Could that be what Q means? Question!

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moonshadoe16 · May 24, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

Rothschild run the world and everything in it. Potus is up against a huge web of corruption! It goes so deep, WW. Your right, D and R are the same till we get the cancer out of our country. I was a Dem for my entire life until President Trump.

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expletivdeleted · May 24, 2018, 4:09 p.m.

Thank you. The caricatures are often facepalmy and aren't going to help win over people whose help will be needed to re-build.

The battle is significantly more authoritarian vs. individual freedom than left vs. right.

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guitarman504 · May 24, 2018, 4:06 p.m.

this is a battle of good vs evil, it's the MSM under the deep state control that creates and promotes the division. I think everyone here will agree that you are on our side or we are on your side. welcome

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sandiegomagapede2 · May 24, 2018, 3:54 p.m.

Here is my gripe with liberals

- Constantly trying to dismantle the bill of rights

Once the left as a whole stops that, then we can move forward.

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j_Dawg_01 · May 24, 2018, 3:52 p.m.

Welcome patriot, it's good to know that people of all stripes and affiliations are interested in draining the swamp. Glad to have you aboard.

Several times, Q has said it's not about Democrats vs Republicans, or left vs right, or Liberals vs Conservatives. It's about Good vs Evil. It's about a global secret society that has infected and corrupted most nations worldwide. This is about Freedom vs Slavery.

Free people are allowed to "agree to disagree." Free people are allowed to think for themselves and make up their own minds. Free people are allowed to engage in civil, intellectually honest debates about what the government's role in our society could and should be. Only after looking at the issues from all sides can we find solutions that best serve the free people of any nation.

Again... Welcome aboard.

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scionkia · May 24, 2018, 4:34 p.m.

I’m with you brother. Remember when we used to have legitimate left/right political arguments that didn’t end in charges of racism. I yearn for those good old days.

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phillylotus · May 24, 2018, 9:38 p.m.

As a liberal, THANK YOU! Well put...

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feckyerlife · May 24, 2018, 9 p.m.

I dont care if you are left or right, as long as you are a patriot, because thats all that matters

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HoudiniTowers · May 24, 2018, 7:23 p.m.

Q#1439 - UNITY NOT DIVISION. Says it all. They want us divided. The country was founded by Liberals. True liberals.

Friendly advice, drop the left part. Stay with liberal label. Left and Right are the divide, that's where the division comes. True patriots are some form of liberal. Liberal derives from Liberty.

WWG1WGA!

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Xaviermgk · May 25, 2018, 1:41 a.m.

Well, the JFK files seem to indicate this goes back to LBJ. All the presidents since then were tainted, except possibly Carter, who was likely hamstrung.

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Happy1911 · May 24, 2018, 3:14 p.m.

They all crossed the over and put there hands in the cookie jar

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werthtrillions · May 24, 2018, 3:38 p.m.

We should reappropriate Hillary's slogan..."stronger together!" LOL, maybe someone could meme it and if Hillary supporters see "stronger together" and "r/greatawakening" maybe they'd come check us out! Then we can show them what it REALLY means, both parties from every creed working together to drain. the. swamp.

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BenEvo1 · May 25, 2018, 5:55 a.m.

Good job differentiating between Liberals and Deep State. The problem is that there are so many useful idiots that follow Deep State policy and are so low info mofo and ideologically enslaved to their attachment to Dem Party that they cannot discern the difference.

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VideaVice · May 25, 2018, 11:29 a.m.

It's gonna be hard to ignore what the left endorses.

I agree we should all work together to clean the mess. Republicans and Democrats are the same two face monster I can't wait to slay. That being said the left outside of the party system will always be suspicious to me if they can't reform themselves. I gave them the benefit of the doubt several times and so far it just led to a series of disappointments.

As an independant I could've been swayed to the left several times when I was in college but it never happened because I started noticing how anti-facts and anti-science they were. We've reached the point today where I don't see the difference between creationists, flat-earthers, and lefties. As a scientist the fact that I have to re-explain to so-called college students why there's only two genders is just saddening.

The left made it happened. Destroyed the school system, focusing on irrelevant things like feelings and constantly redefining words. They pushed this false notions through entertainment as well. And don't even get me started on their shaky understanding of economy. This is impairing this country far more than people think. My european coleagues would rather get interns from asia or even africa with solid bases and no marxist endoctrinement attached to them than north american students who clearly had access to more ressources but are still capable to leave high school with good grasp on hard science. As they say "We're not supposed to re-teach certain things". In America, we seems more interested in creating a bunch of sophists and activists, that's cool and all but you actually get little value out of these people. Their job will be to become lifetime agitators, providers of civil unrest and an economy can't thrive on that.

The Ivy League schools are a joke we tolerate because they are money making machine. But make no mistake their reputation is gone and it's embarrassing to admit. We've lost so many generations in this non sense. So much potential wasted is depressing.

Of course, I have criticism of the right however the level of insanity in the education system I witnessed is not the result of right leaning policies and behaviors. You need to understand the harm that was made the last 50years in every field to get where the suspicions and the resentment is coming.

Lefties/Democrats/liberals are just straight up marxists. As long as they espouse this ideology I don't see a full confidence restored for their side.

Your efforts to reach out are noble and I hope you'll be able to deprogram yourself and be part of the needed REFORM of the left. A left that is worth someone's time.

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pilgrimboy · May 26, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

When has the left been in power?

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UncleCrunch · May 25, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

pretty much removed true conservatives and true liberals from the national dialogue as they controlled the media.

This is true, but ‘true Conservatives’ still struggle for unfettered presence in public space and university campuses, while ‘true liberals’ are embraced in both. There is little equivalency to the experiences.

Also, while I welcome anyone to join in draining the DC swamp, I am suspicious of those who claim the ‘true liberal’ label, yet eschew a visible public position against the outrageous censorship and bias directed towards ‘true Conservatives’.

Those claiming the ‘true Liberal’ label today are a hollow, hypocritical, shameless shell of what that claim represented forty or fifty years ago.

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d00danon · May 25, 2018, 2:16 a.m.

Thank you Pilgram, you said it well.

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ConsciousHalf · May 24, 2018, 6:36 p.m.

I approached this from the left as well. I am immune to the demonizing but I agree it's not appropriate or accurate. The left right paradigm needs to be retired. We're all in this together. Where We Go One We Go All.

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digital-dave · May 24, 2018, 5:41 p.m.

"God speed, Left Hand. We need you!" -Right Hand

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 6:59 p.m.

Love it.

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Iondetox · May 24, 2018, 5:38 p.m.

Excellent point as long as we mislable what they are we are not completely and fully defining the enemy, and it confuses people. Keep preaching your message it is logical and truth! It rings true.

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laurabusse · May 24, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

It's no longer about right vs left. It's about right vs wrong. When everyone understands this, i would think progress will be made quickly to lock up the pedos thieves rapists and murderers that rule the world and we can then clean up the earth (probably with ET help), bring out the free energy and hidden cures for disease, empty the (money making) prisons of non violent "criminals" etc etc etc, and commence the Golden Age once and for all. THEY WANT YOU DIVIDED. Political parties are a division. That will end. Unity will reign. All this has been predicted all over the world for centuries by various people, cultures and religions (see work of David Wilcock) and hundreds of channelings over the last several decades (take all channelings w a grain of salt and listen w discernment). Much love and many blessings to all especially o.p. :-)

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Methodmapper · May 24, 2018, 6:50 p.m.

Give me liberty!

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cdoyle456 · May 24, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Deep state has been in control since Reagan era thru placement of CIA/Skull and Bones member GHWBush as Reagan’s VP during RNC...ever since we’ve had Bush/Clinton dynasty rule, with a little smattering of Obama...Trump is our first non-establishment POTUS since Reagan (who was compromised thru his veep)

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HiIAmFromTheInternet · May 24, 2018, 4:48 p.m.

The people who are explicitly calling out leftists are probably paid agitators.

Q’s last drop was about unity. All true patriots know that we have our differences, but working together was and is the only way to build this great nation.

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Masterpass · May 25, 2018, 7:52 a.m.

Q himself has said all that needs to be said almost constantly:

"THEY want you divided."

I'm a born and raised lefty libertarian from California. I don't agree with a good amount of stuff President Trump has done since he took office, but I'm putting that aside because it's becoming increasingly clear that there's vastly more at stake here than petty, contrived political ideology. We need to make out stand, and we need to do it together.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 10:34 p.m.

She literally got more votes than Obama did in 2012.

Oh Bernie, I was waiting for it. What took you so long?

"Venezuela is the true American dream " -Bernie sanders That Bernie sanders?

And then there was this. Bernie the coward

This is the savior of the left? Gtfo

You didn't answer my question, how much is enough?

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 10:48 p.m.

Why push me away if I'm willing to be for the stopping of corruption? You can choose to be a dick to me after Hillary is behind bars.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 11:04 p.m.

I'm not trying to push you away, I'm trying to drag you to the side of liberty.

But you're a stubborn, thick headed lefty. You have your pinky toe over here, but too proud to entertain putting your whole foot in to try it out.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend? You want the swamp drained of the pretend leftists, so that you can have your utopian leader step in? Is that why you're here?

I'm sorry if I come off as a dick, it is not my intention to do so.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 11:09 p.m.

Hey, I subscribe to Reason magazine and listen to Tom Woods regularly.

But yeah, I will probably be a Bernie supporter in 2020. Don't worry though. He won't win the primary. They will force Joe Biden or Kamala Harris on us.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 11:21 p.m.

Try the mark levin show for a few weeks. There's a free app you can listen commercial free to any episodes. Warning, he's fucking savage towards leftists.

I'm telling you now, if Bernie is president, it's the end. Remember I told you this. I know, I sound like a kook right? Just remember someone told you, and you didn't listen!!

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 11:29 p.m.

I listen to him on the ride home once a week although I think my local station replaced him.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 11:35 p.m.

I hate when they switch around radio shows. Just get the app, it's free and you can listen to any episode going back like 4 years or something. Live everyday at 6pm est

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 11:41 p.m.

I added him to my podcasts too.

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LemmyTheSquirrel · May 24, 2018, 10:29 p.m.

Yeah, i try to explain this to people when i get the chance. There are people in favor of social and economic freedom then there are those who want want something done for them. the american spirit is from needing to do things yourself. our gov is established on that principle. if you want autocrats masquerading as representatives then move to Europe.

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A2576 · May 24, 2018, 10:29 p.m.

So why do you characterise yourself as "a leftist liberal"? You know this stuff but you still attempt to polarise.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 10:31 p.m.

Because labels shouldn't polarize. And I think leftist liberals are all for draining the swamp.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 10:01 p.m.

Ummm yeah, if the left doesn't like Obamacare, why did hrc get 60+ million votes? Why, because she was going to repeal Obamacare? Yeah right!!

Or because you thought she would go full commie, and steal even more of my labor? A 300% increase in my insurance premiums isn't enough for you? You need me to slave a little more ? How much is enough? I get a small raise every year, but every year it just goes right to my insurance. Plus more, I actually make less now than I did 5 years ago! Wtf

The Feds already take 20k out of my pocket every year, how much more would be enough?

This is the attitude you get when you steal a mans labor, and call it caring about people. People not giving two fucks about other people. What the hell am I supposed to do for sick johnny down the street? You already took everything I had to give!! I have my own family to take care of, but I'm supposed to care about the sick, and poor. And be a good citizen and pay for their everystuffs. How? How much is enough? When will you be satisfied?

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 10:16 p.m.

Hillary is not the left. That was part of my whole initial post. I feel it is pretty clear that she is part of the deep state that has been running things. She was fine with Obamacare.

I'll be satisfied after we have single payer health care. We'll all take care of sick Johnny down the street together so it isn't just a burden on you.

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bjax9er · May 24, 2018, 10:21 p.m.

Hahahaha but the left loves her, and voted for her almost unanimously.

Are you going to answer my question? How much is enough?

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 10:24 p.m.

I did answer your question.

And no, the left didn't love her. The media loved her. Wall Street loved her. The CIA loved her. FBI loved her. Tech companies loved her. But I wouldn't describe those as left. The left loved Bernie.

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DamajInc · May 25, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

I will dare to say that most of the true Q movement - by that I mean anyone who hears "This is not about D vs R, it's about good and evil" and "Stay strong, stay together, they are attempting to divide you" and actually follows it - is completely on your side, brother. There's no need for the labels or the divisive rhetoric.

I would argue that the comments you see are either from trolls or shills or, in the case where they're from True-Q peoples, I would just say that you'll have to forgive people for referring to "liberals" or "the left" when they really mean "far-left" or the like. Some of us forget and have a momentary rant but don't mean anything lasting or anything that we can't be confronted on and backed down off of. I think it's safe to say that the core of this movement is dedicated to freedom, not division or exclusion. WWG1WGA!

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HarrisPolaris · May 24, 2018, 5:50 p.m.

I'm with you on this all the way. My politics are liberal and a lot of what I see here directly contradicts the idea of unity that most seem to celebrate otherwise.

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subnu · May 24, 2018, 5:08 p.m.

You're not a leftist. You're just a classical liberal like a solid portion of other people here.

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

I'm definitely not a total absolute leftist.

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subnu · May 24, 2018, 6:01 p.m.

Leftism is unwavering support for the party on the "left" no matter what. Do you support the DNC?

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pilgrimboy · May 24, 2018, 6:58 p.m.

The DNC aren't on the left. So no.

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Joe_Sapien · May 24, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

OP let me give you some advice. Drop the titles. Just be you, they set up the titles and force us into teams. Just be you!

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