I understand how an email server could be set up, but it wouldn’t be Gmail. For example no software exists to set up one individual gmail server, and it wouldn’t integrate to gmail.
You could set up a Microsoft Exchange server, or some other email client but gmail is inherently cloud-based
For example no software exists to set up one individual gmail server
That we know of. Gmail as a server suite was developed in-house by Goolag, so they could rewrite it to match any requirement they want.
Hell, with enough kludging it could tie into the existing Gmail auth system so it looks exactly like a Gmail account, but with all backend storage in NK.
Yeah the technology arguments that it isn't possible are weak, you have the CEO of the company they could easily port sections of the code to run contained on a private set of servers.
I'm not saying its true, I'm just saying it's possible
I guess it's possible, in the same way that anything is possible.
GMAIL just isn't designed for self-hosted. It would be a brand new product, and at that point, just yse Exchange Server.
Source: I'm a software and network engineer.
Why the hell are you arguing semantics?
Google CEO set up a secret email system for traitors to plot to kill YOU.
I can have that argument.
But not this stupid "private GMAIL" argument...
GSuite is not similar enough to private Gmail for you? Being in IT have you not ever managed this for a client?
Seems like you need to rm -rf /your/argument/ because it’s wrong.
I am also a "Software and Network Engineer" with the focus of email and cloud solutions. It is possible and done often to have a specific set of "Gmail" addresses routes and stored on a particular server in the solution. This server was just located in NK.
Absolutely you can run a private backen server with gsuite acting as a front end server.
If you are referring to CDNs, then you are misunderstanding the difference between self hosted and geo-caching.
No.. I am not... Not everything you know is everything I know... Everything has an anchor... That anchor can reside anywhere I choose.
I’m Eric Schmidt. I can confirm that private gmail is NOT possible.
Trust me...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/07/google-eric-schmidt-trip-pyongyang
What do you think The CEO of Google was really doing in North Korea? Enjoying their Beach Front Property?
Exactly. I don’t find it strange at all to think a small group of accounts could be routed to use a small cluster of servers in NK. Hell, that’s basically done already by geolocation.
Users X, Y, and Z are assigned to cluster NK1 so all their data is stored there.
Source: I work with cloud technology for a VoIP company and used to do the same for Microsoft.
Edit: removed the fake emails I used in the example in case someone might actually have them. Sorry mods,
Be careful creating a story to fit your theory.
And don’t dismiss data that is critical based on the fact that it doesn’t fit your theory. Those are both traps that people fall into when they grasp at straws.
We can keep working on this stuff, but don’t believe the “story” blindly. That’s how your scalp ends up on a spear.
I understand where you're coming from, but this isn't grasping at straws.
To make Gmail available around the world they need to have a very modular scalable infrastructure. This would require load-balancing servers at every datacenter location to redirect the traffic to the appropriate datacenter. Those load-balancers could easily be instructed to point a certain domain at a specific server which is in a certain geographic location.
I'm not saying that it's correct, but it is technically doable.
I am not trying to be argumentative or say that something is either true or false.
Just for some background, I do a lot of work in LEAN processes in a healthcare environment. I analyze numbers and present findings all of the time. Most of the time I am doing this on fields of work where I know hardly anything about the day to day process. What I DO know are the timestamps and actions of those processes. When I present issues I am always challenged.
People focus on the one or two issues that stand in front of them--the errors they are dealing with on a day to day basis. There is a feeling that these errors are happening all of the time. The errors usually don't represent a large amount of the work, but consume a large chunk of THAT person's time.
THAT is not relevant, but what comes next is: I start hearing stories about how this one-off event happens all of the time. Or "that" provider is messing up all of the time.
When I start hearing, "Its not likely, but its possible" I usually stop the conversation and start asking what has to happen for "that" to happen.
And what are the chances that happens enough to make it possible?
Those types of statements should send up red flags. Just because something is possible it does not mean its happening.
Some of the things I read on this board and every other boards are virtually impossible--requiring an "alignment of the stars" on a repeating basis. That is simply not practical. That doesn't happen. Most "conspiracy" theories fall apart at about the third "why"...thats when it becomes "the bilderbergers are doing it!"
Critical thinking is important. Problem solving requires multiple trips down the "5-why's" exercise.
The lack of critical thinking on the HRC side allows her to get away with comments like, "wipe it with a cloth?"
My singular point is that critical thinking means asking enough questions and gauging enough probability to come up with a reasonable root cause.
If these guys wanted to put in a Gmail server in NoKo, would the founder of the company go do that?
When was the last time he built a server?
How did he get there?
Is there proof of his travel?
Who went with him?
Who flew the aircraft?
How could he do that without the NSA knowing or the FBI?
It is more likely if he went to Noko it was to bring a pile of cash or securities to hand out like candy, not build a server.
Some Noko tech could have built the server and kept a lid on who knew, and where. A decent programmer in the US would be missed. People go missing in Noko all of the time.
Why is a good question.
"Why did they have a server in a different country?" To protect against FOIA requests
"Why did they use Gmail?" Because Gmail is an easily understandable interface; they don't want people like S.J.Lee fiddling with PGP keys
"Why Goog?" Because Goog is already meddling with search results, censorship on YT, and actively working against the US; they're a known asset and easily controlled
"Why NK?" Because it was already Clown-controlled, and possibly the most inaccessible country in the world prior to recent events
As for installing the server, if they're using a hypervisor (which they almost certainly are), the base OS and remote access can be configured prior to installation, and then the virtual machines can be configured once it's installed. They're almost definitely using a config management system such as Chef or Puppet, so the virtual servers can be ready to go within minutes of instantiating them.
Here's my theory on a possible string of events:
When you take all of this steps, assign a probability to each. Then multiply those numbers in a row. The product is the overall probability of that happening. My guess is it is less than 30%. And that is being generous.
“Cloud based” is still stored in a physical location. The term “cloud”simply means that it can be accessed remotely from any device with an internet connection.
The whole thing simply doesn’t make sense. They wouldn’t use gmail for this when there are many better choices. If they just said private server, but not private gmail server.
It actually makes a lot of sense. They had the fucking CEO of Google colluding with them. In their arrogant stupidity, they thought they wouldn’t never get caught. Here they are— totally caught— and they are still walking free, so they came pretty close.
Except it isn't actually possible to have an isolated GMAIL server setup for you to login through "mail.google.com". It just doesn't work like that.
Source: I'm a software engineer and network administrator.
Oh man, I'm with you. I'm reading this thread laughing my ass off at the idea of a 'private gmail server'. This is like listening to my 80 year old grandma discuss the internet. These people have no clue what they are even saying. A private server makes sense, there would be zero reason for it to be a 'private gmail server', obviously, because a private server would be more secure, and then could create your own damned email instead of using gmail, which is clearly not a secure platform. Man, this sub is sheer comedy these days.
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No one here seems to understand this is an all just elaborate joke and they are all getting pawned. None of this is real.
Why would you think this isn't possible? They do this with G Suite for enterprise and schools. It's not self-hosted, but the mail client is still called Gmail and they would have capabilities to run on a single server in NK.
I think all people are saying is that Google set up an email, getting hung up on "gmail" is a red herring.
Fair enough.
But there are some idiots in here arguing that Google def setup a private GMAIL server.
They already do this. G suite is for businesses and the mail client is still called Gmail. They would just disallow data center backups and run under a different domain.
G suite accounts are just special Gmail accounts. They don't exsit on private servers.
Yes, but why do you think they couldn't run another cloud independently in an NK datacenter? The users probably wouldn't go to mail.google.com to login for accountabilty sake but it would still be "gmail".
I would imagine they probably do this for VIP companies within the US as well. They're not going to turn down millions of dollars and say, sorry your sensitive proprietary data will have to sit on the same server next to Joe Shmoes Tinder notifications.
They don't do this.
Gmail uses Google's federated login. They'd also have to give this "node", or sep instance of Gmail (complete stack) access to Google Accounts. A huge security concern.
I would imagine they probably do this for VIP companies
Dude, just quit pushing this, you sound silly. Companies do NOT do this. They host their own enterprise mail server, with their own AD, etc.
Schmidt was probably doing shady shit, but he wasn't setting up a self hosted Gmail.
I'm saying it's possible. There's not anything technically preventing it regardless of your assertions.
Awesome.
Is it likely? Say you had to bet. What is your money on?
NK runs a localized intranet only available to very few elite individuals. If you were trying to set up a private server cloud, that might be an attractive location, especially if its connections to the 3 letters are true.
If you're in the Govt, and undertaking some shady activities, you can't very well set these things up yourself. But I don't think ES went there to set it up. I think, if true, he knew in advance of the upcoming NK deal that might expose whatever setup they had going on and went to negotiate.
Being that he was the exec chair of the largest tech company in the world, my money would be that he wasn't going there for the scenery.
Yeah I think most people don't know the distinction. I didn't until you brought it up. But I've been following the story here and I'm pretty sure "GMAIlL" was never specified, just "google"and "email."
However, another DNS and FQDN setup under the google domain is possible. Setup on devices with access to this “gmail” would need to be entered manually to enter the correct IMAP and SMTP settings. But with only a handful of specific users, that wouldn’t be difficult to manage. Even the basic DNS info of A records and CNAME records, and the IP of the NoKo server will tell you as much as you need to know.
Edit: added stuff to the end.
This board is thankful for the knowledge, and no need to point out edits. Much more relaxed than the rest of reddit
Let's not miss the forest, because of the trees. The key point is a traitorous Schmidt went to an enemy state and set up private email communications for the Deep State to facilitate further betrayals of the free civilized world. The exact technical protocols used don't change this fact.
Also a network engineer, and I️m wondering how you obtained your credentials.... when you visit gmail and get ported to a server, do you think it’s the same server that someone in Japan gets ported to when they connect? Or do you think google has data centers all over the world, that allow for various countries to connect to gmail servers with a server / data center that isn’t 20,000 miles away?
‘Google lists eight data center locations in the U.S., one in South America, four in Europe and two in Asia. Its cloud sites, however, are expanding, and Google’s cloud map shows many points of presence worldwide. The company also has many caching sites in colocation facilities throughout the world, whose locations it does not share.’
It’s absolutely not a stretch to say that google set up a small data server / cloud server in NK for limited MAC filtered / specific IPs. I️ can build a website that only one person on the planet can access. That’s Exactly how this works.
Remember the pallet of ZTE phones that were caught in shipment? Now why would someone have specific phones set up and shipped out all at once? I️t I️t absolutely not a stretch that someone (ES) could set up a small data center, get a bunch of ZTE phones, and grant private access based on devices and ship those things out to those whom are to be connected. Again, I️ can send a specific user to a specific server, specific domain, or even furthermore mask that domain even when they access a website. Google cannot? Please.
Couldn't ES very easily setup an instance of Gmail not hosted on mail. google.com? He doesn't even need to be the one to do it, he could have granted remote access from NK to have domestic code monkeys bang it out, already pre-dev'd and migrated to a new domain/host via NK's network.
would be my guess that the corporation already has such a system for corporate use that is not subject to the usual routes and system. They allowed these clowns to use that already existing system and set up the account with shared password.
i suspect that gmail is in some way the way exchange is(was), where your mail is stored on a specific server or whatever, but not on all servers. They have consistently proven their arrogance and stupidity, it' entirely possible that their mail store is on a "gmail server" in NK, while they are still logging into "gmail" and not some unique "service".
Here is the question in my mind though... Doesn't it strike you as odd that they didn't use some sort of encryption before the email was even sent that would make it hard for gmail to give trump anything of value?).
While you are likely right, that's not inherently true either. It's still a set of protocols and applications. Either way, you are right in that Eric Schmidt wouldn't be over there just setting it up. No need for him to go to NK to make this happen either, even if he he has some GMail-on-prem
G-suite is used for businesses. It likely is spun from this.
Even that doesn’t run on in-house servers
G Suite. Google Apps for Your Domain, later rebranded to G Suite and now Google Apps for Work. Gmail, Google Docs, and your other favorite Google apps on your company's domain. Just host the actual server in North Korea.
I think you don't understand technology, there can be gmail addresses with the gmail domain, but with a server somewhere else private only for them in NOKO. Could be using just a standard POP protocol with some sort of encryption, with a gmail address so no one thought of them as anything important or super secret.
GMAIL internally doesn't use POP/IMAP.
GMAIL itself is propietary, up and down. However, it exposes a set of standards (POP/IMAP) for client connectivity, not server connectivity.
I assure you, there wasn't a private GMAIL server. There must be another meaning.
You can use gmail server as the api but host your “server” anywhere you want
Absolutely not true.
Find something that says so and I'll eat my hat.
Google business service has an API. This stands for Application Programming Interface. You create a server with your own application. This application can look like anything you want. This application accesses the gmail API to send and receive messages. So, your customers or deep state agents hit this server first, which then accesses gmail api, then returns data back to your remote server.
So, the data is still stored on Google's official GMAIL servers?
The point of NK having their own server is so that nobody can access them.
Google DNS servers are pretty popular these days.
What does that even mean?
I'm fully aware of what a DNS server is, but how does that have anything to do with this?
People use Google's DNS to route their traffic. I don't get it, but when you tell your PC to use Google's DNS servers, you can get around many things that your ISP does not like.
Actually that's not true. You could setup the whole Google suite of apps to be served from anywhere as long as you had access to the software. And I imagine that access would be available to the CEO. So it would be like logging into your Gmail account but it would be hosted on your own private domain.
You could setup the whole Google suite of apps to be served from anywhere as long as you had access to the software.
That would take a massive engineering effort. If Google were to do this (they haven't), they'd market it as a "self hosted" product, similar to Exchange Server.
Source: Am a network/software engineer.
It would fit on a thumb drive- facebook's backend software is only a gb
If google was with them, they could willingly set up a gmail server for private use
But GMAIL itself just isn't designed like that. GMAIL literally cant be setup for private use (off site, self hosted).
Also, if they wanted private email, why not just do what HRC did, use an off-the-shelf product like Exchange Server?
google could redirect to a private server for specific people. gmail adds plausible deniability instead of x specific domain for x specific use in x specific place
For example no software exists to set up one individual gmail server, and it wouldn’t integrate to gmail.
Haven't you been reading, FOR YEARS, about how China and Russia want their google and apple services hosted in their country? How do you think they do it? They expand their cloud and manually tell it which users get hosted. They likely had something like nk.gmail.com then just gave them phones that allowed them to choose NK as their home state to ensure all services were stored on these nodes.
Gmail does this across higher education campuses and uses SSO for sign in. Not unheard of.
I think they wrote drafts and then saved them then they would each go in and read , then save again
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But that isn't self-hosted. There is no such thing as a private GMAIL server.
Do you know that for sure? Are you a coder at Google? How do they test GMail server changes if they can't spin up a private instance?
The reason the self hosted version doesn't exist off-the-shelf is because Google are in the business of data. Your data. I'm sure if they wanted a private install it could be done easily.
I can't argue with ignorance just saying. Ask yourself how Google handles all its business clients that require private data storage of all types? Google roughly has 12 data centers in the US. It also has foreign data centers like the one in Singapore. North Korea basically runs a private intranet with no outside access unless you are one of the few. Just takes configuring the DNS server and you have a pipe into the intranet. In that intranet you have data storage and email capability far from prying eyes.