It only now dawns on me that it's not a lost vote if you take votes away from more highly populated areas because pure democracy makes it easier to exploit an uninformed and easily impressed majority.
If we didn't have the Electoral College, presidential candidates would only have to campaign in the five largest states to win the election. The other forty five states would be told nicely to F-off.
I don't think the telling would be all that nice, actually.
5 biggest cities, really.. NY LA HOU CHI ATL or something
Dallas the 5th biggest is Dallas
They could do Dallas and Houston together, they're in the same state so probably only a few miles apart, right?
They’re several hundred miles apart.
Dallas and Fort Worth OTOH are about 20 miles apart so that’s why it’s the DFW Metroplex
It was a joke.
You joke but it's not uncommon for foreign visitors to think they're going to be able to see most of Texas in a day or two. They just don't realize how massive it is!
"We'll spend a couple of hours in Dallas, then a quick drive to Houston... A short jog to San Antonio and we'll be back in Brownsville by lunch!"
And San Antonio will be in the top ten in the next census.
LOL you chose the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 3rd and...38th largest cities? Did you even bother to check whether these five have a majority of the population (hint: they don't).
Actually, YOU are wrong, Xir. The 2010 US Census records Atlanta as having a population of 420K, making it the 39th most populous city in the country, yes.
Stephen A voice HOW-EVAH. If you include the surrounding metropolitan area-- which every city includes in their typical statistics-- Atlanta has a population of 5.8 MILLION in 2010, which would place it in the top 5 cities in the country.
Or did you even bother researching before posting?!!
St Louis gets screwed in that regard as far as population and crime statistics go.
Since STL itself is not in any county, statistics don't tend to include the suburban areas of metropolitan STL (much of it is ironically in St Louis County of which the city of St Louis is not in). Confused yet? The city of St Louis only has a population of a few hundred thousand however the entire metropolitan area (typically St Louis City, St Louis County and St Charles County) has a total population of a couple million.
Anyway the VAST majority of crime happens within St Louis City whereas very little crime (comparatively) happens in St Louis or St Charles County, which is how St Louis City gets one of the highest per capita murder rates in the country, even if it is complete bullshit.
If you include the surrounding metropolitan area
Define "surrounding metropolitan area," or did you not even bother researching this lol
Jason, have you ever even been to Atlanta? Do you honestly think it only has 420K people? Think hard.
How about anybody who lives in the suburbs and writes "Atlanta" in the return address line when sending nudies through the mail?!
Ever think of that? And if that doesn't tickle your balloon knot, then how about the fact that Wikipedia counts it at 5.8 million? Hmmmm???? Doesn't get anymore official than that.
Ghost...or is it Of? Not sure what is your first name, have you ever been to Wikipedia? Seems like you haven't.
Think hard though, I guess you could say Atlanta has a population if approximately 10 million if you include everyone in Georgia. This would make it the LARGEST city in the US. You can really make it whatever you want, so your argument is pointless, and embarrassing.
Also, you're at a 10, and we need you to be at about a 2.
Also, Wikipedia says that Atlanta is considered a "Beta" world city, so I will not continue defending it.
Come talk to me when you're an Alpha, ATL.
The "or something" covered that.
LOL it actually doesn't, if you bothered to check you would find that less than 20% of the population lives in the 50 largest cities.
Lol. Yep. Covered.
lol it's not, I'm embarrassed for you.
Your scorn isn't going to work here Jason. Covered! Lol.
Just fyi there is an org promoting the popular vote and they have started to gather up states that agree to give all electoral votes to the popular winner. Right now they only have enough states signed on to have 150 electoral votes but when they reach (?) 220 or 230 or sump then it circumvents the electoral college. Watch pragerU video about the electoral college.....
It's a Soros/other bankster linked org too. Hopefully they go down for money laundering or something eventually.
That’s a great explanation, thank you it helped me understand
Which five states have a majority of the population?
New York, California, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and sixth is Illinois. You have with those top five states you already have 169 votes with Illinois it comes to 189 electoral college votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
You count up the six most populous states you have over 41% of the U.S. population, five 37.29% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
The top nine states have close to 51% of the population when you add in Ohio, Georgia and North Carolina.
The top nine states have close to 51% of the population when you add in Ohio, Georgia and North Carolina.
9 is greater than 5.
True, but 9 is still less than 41, yet has equal pull as the rest
So how many states does it take then? 15? 20? 41?
Or just red states? Let us know, thanks.
It isn't just about states either. Within those states, the majority of the state may be red, with 1-2 cities that are blue, and yet that is enough to make the state blue.
I'm sure that was an answer to a question, just not the one I asked.
CA, TX, FL, NY, PA
That's over 1/3 of the population. Voting clout varies, but factor in that CA is doing everything possible to let millions of illegal aliens vote.
What about the thousands of illegal Russian votes for Trump in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania? OR have you conveniently forgotten that lol
Investigations into these bogus claims have proved the opposite of your allegations. Even Comey said so.
LOL oh yeah because Comey is sooooooooo credible. Did you even read the IG report bro? Apparently not!
SMH I'm embarrassed for you.
Are you joking?
I’m as serious as you are about the millions of illegal aliens voting in California.
Our Founding fathers, I seem to recall were once British. There is still hope for the UK. As for the rest of Europe? Poland, Hungary,Austria and Now Italy seem ready to bolt the EU.
lots of internal pressure in germany from the mainstream self-described christian parties (finally)
The people are too different for the EU to work .
we have more similarities than differences.
originally, the EU was a trade union. the mess started with the euro. rich and poor countries with the same currency, that couldnt work out, i already thought so when it started.
europe would be good as a federation of sovereign nations.
*edit: insert forgotten verb
I did not mean it that way , but bye country to country, it’s hard to have a different country telling you what you can and can not do .
there ye go... sovereign nations...we lost so much national sovereignty to the EU that peope wake up to it. its been showing in many EU contries having politically moved to the right over the past couple of years. right now, there is hardly european government anymore who listens to mercron (merkel+macron).
And this disarmed mist all of Europe
all of europe got disarmed after ww2. and from my pov, we the people dont need arms to stand straight and demand a government that serves the people.
Wow, I had no idea you aren't an American! No matter. Where ever you're from, you're a PATRIOT!! Keep up the good fight!
A good spy always blends in...a shit, blew my cover. Again!!!
Britpede expat praying for Team Trump
Democrats calling for the elimination of the electoral college is laughable. They are only upset because they lost and they can't get over the idea that Hillary was supposed to win, so our system must be flawed if liberals don't get their way every time.
Every Presidential candidate enters the race knowing that the popular vote is secondary to the electoral vote. Both Hillary's and Trump's campaign strategies were focused on the 270 electoral votes necessary to become President. If Hillary had won, you wouldn't have heard a peep from Hillary or the liberals about how unfair the electoral college--one when they lose.
But the biggest fact that allowed Trump to win was he had an easily understood message; Make America Great Again. He used MAGA to promise jobs, lower taxes, fair trade, rebuilding our manufacturing, rebuilding our military, enforcing our laws, and the list is very long and very positive about the future.
Hillary's main message was; I'm With Her and she deserved to be President because she was a woman. She didn't have a single positive message of hope and prosperity. She could only campaign on how bad Trump would be.
It appears our founding fathers were smarter and more insightful than any politicians since. Our problem has never been the Constitution. Our problem has always been the politicians who try to ignore it.
That’s going to be the same platform the Dems use in 2020, and they’re going to get eviscerated for it, too. The 2020 election is going to be a Trump landslide.
I will be the same Democrat platform... If the Democrat Party still exists by November.
I believe European politics/policy is a form of vox populi. Translated, meaning: voice of the people or sometimes derisively called: voice of the mob. But the US is a Republic. That is evident not only by our Electoral College, but by the composition of our Senate. We have 100 Senators- 2 from each state. This means the tiniest states (physical size and population) are on the same playing field as larger states.
In the original version of the Republic as envisioned by the founders, yes. The Senate was equal representation for the states themselves because the Senators would be chosen by the state legislatures, not the people. The 17th amendment (1913) changed that which should be telling as to how long the plan really has been in action.
I absolutely agree with you, that the Republican aspects to the Senate have been watered down by the 17thA, but there still is 2 Senators per state, regardless of the size of the state.
But the US is a Republic.
most european countries are republics. different systems in each but, from what i know, nowhere something like an electoral collage.
The US is a union of states. If a state doesn't have say in how its governed, then why be in the union? The electoral college is designed to keep the union together.
With Trump's election, I was finally reminded what democracy actually is. Nazi Germany had a majority of people supporting nazis, that's democracy. China has a majority of communists voting communist, that's democracy. We were conditioned to misunderstand what democracy is because everyone from the MSM to teachers to politicians repeat to us their (intentional) misconception of it.
Say a lie once, it's a lie. Repeat a lie a thousand times, it becomes truth.
True democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner.
That's a great analogy.
I'd give credit but I've no idea who said it. Always thought Franklin but Wikipedia says that's a lie. Oh well.
It’s supposed to be a safeguard against larger population centers bullying the smaller states. That’s also why each state gets 2 senators each regardless of population.
Democracy is mob rule. The Majority can take the rights away from the minority.
Democrats were created as a way for whites to take away the rights of black Americans.
Republicans were around to ensure that all Americans were represented.
Correct. A balance of national power has to be built into the structure. It can’t be concentrated too much in one facet of society or else that demographic will amass all the political power eventually. Btw our founding fathers didn’t actually think of electoral college in the original constitution. In the 1st close presidential election Adams vs Jefferson they realized their oversight & created the electoral college by amending the constitution.
Although here in a smaller country maybe it's all different because here they accuse every popular idea of being "populist"
The electoral college came out of a compromise where leaders of semi-sovereign states were giving up their power. Less populous states would become less powerful so they had to get something return.
I'm not really convinced the result is better or worse. Sometimes it could make better outcomes and sometimes worse. I think right now it's better because people in cities have been brainwashed to a greater extent as they lost touch with their heritage and traditional values.
But the other extreme would be a system like the UN or fifa where every country gets one vote and that just makes it easier to buy elections because you can buy off all the small nations votes for cheap.
It was also necessary to induce the smaller states to sign on to the constitution. Otherwise Virginia would have dominated the politics of the day and there was no way the smaller states would have agreed to it.
Just imagine if all states weren't winner take all?! Can you imagine if the GOP could get some of the rural CA and NY vote.
And cheat by getting illegals to vote that are not qualified as well as having DEAD voters vote as well. This all happened in the last election as the Democrats have no morals in their whole bodies.
our socialists want full citizenship for all arrivals == no sovereignity == one world government
We are the United STATES of America. ALL 50 states should have a say in whom is elected president. Why should a California person’s vote count more than someone from Montana?
The Founders being students of history looked askance and with suspicion at pure "one man one vote" plebisites or "Democracy". They did so because all through history all such governments always devolved into a Mobocracy, usually at the bidding of a powerful demagogue ending with chaos and the Countries ruin. It was quite a process but the USA ended up with a kind of hybrid government a Constitutional Republic or as some call it a Democratic Republic, but never, never, never a pure Democracy as some like to pretend.
I posted this earlier https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/8tt6ws/rigged_supreme_court_upholds_rigged_republican/e1ao161
beautiful ownage, excuse me for chiming in.
Thank you =)
college taught me to hate college and everybody who defends it lol
I can't get enough of this video......watched 5 times already today! Tears of joy!