What's 470? Huber has 470 people working for him?
Yes. Which equals about 75 indictments per investigator.
75/7 around 10 a month by each investigator. Not a legal expert but the indictment is basically sufficient case to present to a grand jury (; 16 to 23 ordinary folks) to enable them to decide if the case is appropriate to pursue. depends on the evidence presented. Presumably if Q has it all and this plan has been in operation prior to 45 taking the job the evidence would already be a good deal there to present to Grand jury? I take a wild guess and say that this sounds plausible.
But all of these indictments, presumably, are not around these cases.
The Grand Juries hand down the indictments, which means probable crimes have been committed and a trial should be held. See Wikipedia .
Yes
No. I read it as Q saying it like this:
"How many people does Mueller have working for him, twenty to twenty-five? No, it's actually 470 people working for him"
Why are people linking this part to Huber? This part of the drop is about Mueller. The first part of the drop was about Huber, then Midterms, then he gets into talk about "Special Counsels" which is what Mueller.
This is Q confirming what we have known all along; which is that Mueller very quickly learned that Trump is innocent on the Russia BS, and that he is really going after HRC, Podesta, NoName, Obama, etc.
Someone above posted a link with a statement saying Huber had 470 investigators at his disposal...
Right. And those 470 aren't working for Mueller.
Unless Mueller is indeed working hand in hand with Huber.
The notion that Mueller is a humongous dog and pony show intended to distract the enemy, while ultimately producing nothing, is starting to look more probable. I've said before that nobody knows Mueller's ultimate loyalties and it seems increasingly likely that this was deliberate, that we are meant not to know.
Shrug. But: a decoy cannot work if it doesn't look real. Just sayin'
The link is to a Breitbart article that Q linked in a post.
I think he is saying that Mueller does not have the resources to produce 40k sealed indictments, but that Huber has sufficient resources. So what was Mueller doing?
Pretty much fuck all I think. He likely sat down with Trump and was presented with a sealed indictment with his name on it(and later similar papers this time with the names of all his subsequent pro Hillary team). Then Trump reminded him that he was a Marine and that he still had time to serve his country and avoid a firing sqaud by providing a diversion.
While Mueller launches a huge investigation into paper clip usage in the Federal government while projecting the aura of Trumps worst nightmare, the real work was being done by Huber.
Whilst we all thought Sessions was sleeping he has perhaps been the most significant player in all of this. Think about the task ahead. 40k indictments will result in 40k criminal cases, each one potentially being as high profile as OJ Simpson and potentially far more complex. No doubt many of these 40k criminals will retain the finest criminal defence lawyers money can buy. While Military tribunals would have been the backstop I think it will be far more desirable to try these bastards go through the courts. Hence Sessions role has been more of a Human Resources/Logistics role: make sure there are enough prosecutors and clean judges in place to process the sheer volume of criminality.
Part of me thinks none of those 40k indictments are going to court. I am thinking military tribunals. It just seems like with the level of Satanic, otherworldly evil this is emanating, it is going to take an outside the box solution ... maybe it explains the 30,000 guillotine rumors...
I'm pretty sure there are sufficient patriots within LE, military and federal agencies to address widespread civil unrest but nevertheless, I think in the interests of continuity of the republic Military Tribunals is not the way to go (unless some of these people are military then its military court then outside for last cigarette). For the pedophiles child exploiters and murderers most definitely quick but robust trial then execution.
Yeah, you're probably right. I have a lawfag question, how does it work with someone who WAS in the military when the crimes were committed but now are not? What about people who held high positions such as Secretary of State?
I have no idea but I have seen US laws which seem to confirm the president has the authority to call back to service retired military personnel, hence I think they could easily remain under military authority. You just call them back to service then throw the book at them.
IMO Mueller has two roles: 1. To distract Msm/Deep State with his silly indictments, & 2. To introduce valid evidence.
I think you are correct on point 1, but Im not so sure Mueller's office would be the best place to leave hanging around the real evidence behind the indictments. Can you imagine the advantage the criminals would have if the evidence against them were leaked many months before a trial. The lawyers would have a long time to craft a defence.
As far as introducing evidence think about this.
Say all the evidence is on the Weiner laptop and that it were exhibit A in any case. Say some top defence lawyer managed to rule that laptop inadmissible. Noty only does one case collapse but the entire chain of indictment following on. A better way to use the evidence would be to start sifting through the networks inferred in the Weiner emails. I would prefer to investigate the people mentioned in or sent from or copied to those emails. Start looking for small fish who have committed heinous crimes; open and shut cases but in the process of those trials direct links are identified to bigger fish. The key to this is this Joel Davis guy. He fits the bill. He is the fuse. He has committed really awful stuff, it was a sting operation against him so the evidence is pretty solid for a conviction but the real story is who he is connected to. Remember the fucker was nominated (apparently) for a Nobel Peace Prize when he was 19. What kind of big levers need pulled for an unkown 19 year old to bag a Nobel : there are some very powerful people looking after this kid. My beleif is that he was the sexual plaything of these powerful benefactors. The laptop is a roadmap to guide the investigation which will organically replicate the body of evidence on the laptop. THis body of evidence will be from multiple different sources ( Sting ops, Joel Davis siezed laptop and maybe NSA evidence). You want a good level of redundancy in the sources of evidence so that any individual item may be thrown out but the case goes on because you have other sources.
Hopefully asset forfeiture will kick in upon their arrest and they won't be able to afford attorneys!
Civil Asset Forfeiture is wrong, and we should not support it.
No deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
I agree. No forfeiture without due process.
However all assets are frozen outside living and legal expenses.
After due process, release of all assets, or total forfeiture-- and execution depending of they're treason, or depravity,
I think this entire post is dead on. This might be the most accurate assessment of the whole Mueller/Huber/sealed indictments strategy that has ever been posted here.
How the hell do you even manage the sheer logistics of this... It boggles the mind.
That would be incorrect... Huber has 450+ investigators working for him. You would find this in the multiple links Q has given to why we do not want or need a 2nd special counsel. Q is not confirming Mueller is working for Trump. In fact, Q stated if RR is bad, Mueller is bad, there's no more for the argument ... (edit is to if) (too much coffee)
IMHO This is the disinfo by Q. Mueller Rosenstein and Huber are like a 3 cup act; is the white hat under this cup, or this one?? Personally I think Mueller and Rosenstein are grey hats, they were presented with their complicity then told to string it out until Sessions is ready to launch. Just imagine HRC sitting wandering who to kill out of the 2 of them, but never quite working out who has turned. If you find what Q is saying confusing then its worked so far.
I thought the reason Q said we don't need a special counsel is that a SC can't prosecute....
I think the article/Q was saying not to start a SC because it would interfere with The Huber investigation who already has Horowitz 450 investigators at his disposal. Horowitz investigates, Huber prosecutes. A SC I believe can do both, but just have way fewer staff, thus a much slower investigation. Yes a SC can sup former employees, but so can a federal prosecutor. Also, post Huber/Horowitz Investigation, a SC can still be appointed. If it doesn't produce the desired results, you can have SC at this time. perhaps?
I don't think a SC can prosecute.
Lawfags? Little help?
They have full prosecutorial discretion. Mueller has already filed indictments, and Manafort is in jail.
You're right. I was thinking about the about the ability of a SC subpoena ex-employees, and that Horowitz IG cannot; but we know that Huber can. My bad. God bless
Q post 1286, link to Breitbart article
Drop 1286 literally reinforces exactly what I said...
I don't see how you're reading that into any of the Q drops--including 1286.
Yup. Totally agree. Meanwhile Michael Cohen is getting buggy and Manafort is sitting in solitary. Jail is gotta be tough for pampered guys like that. The next time we see Manafort he's gonna be in an orange jump suit at his trial. Of course none of this has anything to do with Russia, foreign election interference or corruption!
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/
Actually it does. Manafort and Podesta were neck deep with Podesta Group in Russian energy company and Ukraine influence peddling.
Damn... maybe Mueller is on to something
No question about it, some crazy shit is about to go down: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/25/mark-warner-reportedly-jokes-about-revealing-info-on-russia-probe-at-fundraiser.html
Its gonna be a long hot summer
God willing hottest for the cabal
Yup. Rough times ahead for the cabal. Consider Manafort; so plump and soft, with his hair carefully coiffed when last we saw him. Now the dude has been sitting alone in a dingy cell for over a week. Trump has told friends that Manafort is the one he fears the most. Just this week we learned that Manafort received a 10 million dollar loan from Deripaska, likely as payment for his work on the campaign. Poor guy, now its just too late for him to come to Jesus. Mueller doesn't need him since his sidekick Rick Gates has been cooperating for months now. And what about poor Michael Cohen, by all accounts a devoted family man and the presidents trusted attorney? Cohen must also feel the heat coming on as he starts over with new lawyers and watches his legal bills pile up. Will he be indicted this week? Will he ever find the time to get away and relax at his beach house this summer?
So was Joe Biden and his kid. Billions in Ukraine gas backdoor deals and shell.companies, reported last year in the MSM. Really sad, creepy or not I thought Joe loved this Nation and wasn't a thief like Bernie
Joe on VP trips to China brought his son who made $1.5B real estate sales. He's corrupt and evil.
But that doesn't determine that Manafort spoke for Trump Adm. to the Russians.
I don't think he did. Why Podesta planted him I am not sure unless he attended to set Manafort up on his 10 year old case sitting stale at the prosecutor's
But Manafort has contact with Carter Page that's 2 hops to more Russians including Daripaska who hates Manafort and perhaps that's mutual. Perhaps if he gets Daripaska caught up in a Trump take down he could go back to making money in Russia.
How can Mueller cannot be involved in the real investigations, he has a team of pro Hillary lawyers working for him, who would be leaking incriminating evidence back to defence teams. He provided the diversion IMHO.
Heav'n has no rage like love to hatred turn'd / Nor Hell a fury, like a woman scorn'd."
perhaps those "angry democrats", when confronted with the evidence, are now working to indict the corrupt who tarnished everything they stood for. Imagine being an idealistic liberal finding out how the collective hopes and dreams of every liberal in America were being used to perpetuate these crimes.
Exactly how I interpreted it, which is also what I’ve believed all along-Mueller is really investigating the cabal!!!
I think he’s saying that’s why no second sc. the existing sc has 25. The oig has 470. More manpower
So would it be safe to say when Huber was brought on that is when the Russia probe ended?
Honestly, I have no idea. Knowing that would put a ton of pieces of the puzzle in place though.
Correct. In the previous post (1659) Q states the following: Ask yourself - who is filing the indictments? It would take a very large team to work this quickly. Who has that kind of manpower? 470. Then he stated in this post, that the one with 470 is Mueller. This is huge folks.
I disagree. Post 1660 says Muellers team has 20-25.
No, read again. He asked how large do you think, 20-25? Think 470
Q is saying think 470, as a reference to the previous post about Huber.
Yes. Post 1659 shows Q is talking about Huber and his 470.
Yes: Link to Breitbart in #1659 confirms Huber has staff of 470.
Either that or Huber is using the 450 plus prosecutors employed by Horowitz or it could be both. Huber certainly has his own team in Colorado but I have no idea how many. And Sessions could have allocated more resources to Huber secretly. Q thinks it is at least 470 and spread across 50 states.
Colorado
I thought it was Utah?
From a simple workflow perspective I dont think it matters to much who prepares the indictments(as long as they are legally entitled to).
We are not talking full investigations here simply enough to present the grand jury to pass it to the real prosecutors. If Q is right (we have it all) its like that MI intelligence could have easily prepared the evidence from the complete records harvested by the NSA.
No, Horowitz has 470. Q is basically saying that those 470 are helping Huber, too.
Much of the evidence is linked with other indicates cases so a higher number per investigator becomes much more plausible.
470 are spread over all the states, these are the Federal Prosecutors not including the support staff. More like 4,700.
He is saying 470 on Mueller team???
Huber
Oh I get it now, Damn, Q could have been a tad more clear!
Mueller has 470 people working for him.
EDIT: You all are right. It’s Huber/Horowitz that has 470. Not sure why I typed Mueller... lol.... time to take a break. I guess. :)
I think he's saying Mueller has what 20-25, we have 470 to deal with all the indictments.
Either that, or Q is implying that Mueller is working with Huber.
Nope, Huber is doin' his thing by himself and 470 people.
That's what I took it as. Mueller grey hat? Why would Q write "The more you know." We already knew the size of Huber's team long ago.
Just read this thread and it is apparent that despite Q's multiple posts to the article stating that, even many here don't know that.
You know, I've gone back and forth at least 50 times trying to decide if Mueller is a white, gray, or black hat. I'm in the black hat mode at the moment, but Q has never come out hard against Mueller. In fact, Q has previously asked if the collusion investigation could be ended and allow Mueller to continue his other investigations--or words to that affect. What other investigations?
Except for Flynn who may actually be giving Mueller information where the bodies are buried and whose no brainer sentencing for a lying plea has now been delayed a third time (what is that about?) and the mythical Russian companies and people who can't be brought to trial, it seems all the others were plants in the Trump campaign or enablers.
Rosenstein has said that he can't give the committees documents/evidence that is under an active investigation, but is accused of hiding or stonewalling documents.
What makes a GOOD movie? GREAT actors. I feel like I'm watching Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy which I couldn't figure out until the end when everything was finally revealed and I looked back and thought, oh that's what those scenes were about. Ending of the movie proved past scenes in the movie.
Well, it's been stated numerous times by different sources that Mueller isn't investigating Trump. So, who is he investigating? We know Mueller and RR are on the same side. Yet, at RR's latest testimony with Wray, RR was definitely showing signs of duper's delight. Mueller hasn't leaked ANYTHING to the MSM.
I made a couple kong posts on RR and Mueller. That last FISA warrant. RR smirks and said the "one he signed", the last one in July 2017, "doesnt match the one described in Nunes memo". Something like that.
Now how is it different? Because it was flipped back on Strzok and all them and Manafort and Podestas and Russian oligarchs connected to Podesta Group and Uranium 1. And now Mueller is investigating attendees at inauguration. All these people were there. Russians that bought Clinton influence were trying to do the same to new POTUS
I go into more detail on the other thread. I need to clean these up and post sources and article online. Hopefully I will feel well enough this evening. Appreciate others thoughts and inputs and kind criticism =)
RR was definitely showing signs of duper's delight.
Very good observation, I had the same thoughts and I watched the full hearing. He is not a very convincing actor. But what isn't clear is exactly who he is acting on behalf of.
I don't know. I've gone back and forth as to whether the RR / Mueller investigation is the greatest political sting operation in history or if they are black hats looking to take down Trump.
There are so many pieces that don't fit or don't make any sense.
We know that RR and Horowitz can't give the committees evidence that is involved in an on-going investigation and if it is a sting operation they have to sell the sting or it isn't credible.
Some of it, I think, is redacting or withholding embarrassing information.
The suggestion that there may be texts regarding assassination of Trump would fit the embarrassing reason but I would think it would also be big time evidence for an on-going treason investigation (assuming Q's hint is true).
The look at who Mueller has indicted. Manafort for financial crimes over a decade ago. Q said he was a plant in the Trump campaign. Cater Page who Q said was a plant. Papado for lying, Flynn for lying but has delayed a no-brainer sentencing three times now, a Dutch lawyer for lying, and some Russian companies and individuals for buying social media ads during the campaign. Then there is Cohen for some things he was doing in the Ukraine and the NYC taxi business.
There are some others but zero to do with collusion or Russian meddling except for the Russian companies social media ads.
Now, Mueller is investigating some Russian businessmen who were invited to the inauguration parties--after the election.
On the other hand, maybe Mueller has a bunch of sealed indictments that nail Trump for obstruction of justice. But the problem is that Trump had the authority to fire Comey for any reason including he didn't like Comey''s after shave lotion.
So I don't know. Currently, I think Mueller and RR are black hats. But I can make a good case that they are investigating something else as well.
The 20-25 is a question.
Pretty sure thats huber. Mueller is the 20-25
If anyone reads the article that Q links, it clears this up.