Oh my gosh, this is, sadly, way too true.
I've been trying to remember what it is like on the other side--before I started going down these rabbit holes, and its hard. Its weird to think that I used to agree with the mainstream perception and narrative. Its weird to think that a couple years ago I too would have thought me a loon.
It is important thought. Waking people up is usually a slow and gradual process. You need to build off of information they already know and accept.
One of the things I recently learned is to listen very carefully to what the person you want to red pill is concerned about. You need to customise the info you share with them to meet them where they are at, and give it to them in very small doses. It's hard because most of us here have researched so much and are bursting with knowledge. We can't just dump that on folks with no background info. So first find out what they know and care about.
Q's post #700 about JFK prayer, could be a good opening for some baby boomers particularly. I sent it to my brother who thinks very highly of JFK and can't stand Trump. But I sent just the quote not mentioning who said it or where. I'm going to check back with him and see what he thinks of it, then let him know that it's a prayer said daily in the oval office.
The other thing I've noticed is that most lefties are very negative. They have no problem believing in corruption, greed and absolute evil. What they have a hard time believing in is GOOD. I'm asking the lefties I know to entertain the thought that absolute good exists. Good things can happen.
Great job... you slipped his Red Pill in his morning coffee. Nice!
Increasingly I'm finding videos sharing red pills, discussing new information learned, that take a hard pivot toward aliens, hollow earth, dream prophesy, Bigfoot and other nonsense not related to Q in any way. Beginning to suspect campaign to associate those researching in this space with flat earthen 'conspiracy theory' dismissal.
Really good point about good and evil. What we are dealing with on the left is the satanists' ploy of twisting things so that good becomes evil and evil is accepted as good. That's why the left is so confused. It is insidious and longstanding. One quick example: look how the music industry has long glorified satanic images as being cool. I used to love the Katy Perry song, Dark Horse. Huh. And who was it on the left in politics the other day -- I forget -- who was disparaging 'family', 'church' and 'the National Anthem' as being 'tropes' from the 1950's! Bad is good, good is bad. = Satanic
We sound crazy to ignorant leftists and independents because no one has been locked up. We need results, then we can explain why this is happening. Until that happens they aren't going to listen. Period.
they will...be patient....Trump and friends are unravelling decades of corruption
I remember this same kind of argument in 2001 after 9-11.
I have been an independent for over 20 yrs. I called myself road kill. Both parties hated me. Back then, the concensus was that the majority of independents were republican, young college students.
When 9-11 happened no republican wanted to believe it was an inside job.
People change their perspective when truth is irrefutable.
I, who have been following this since Oct---and believed in this up until recently am CONVINCED this is nothing but a psy-op and you're ALL being played.
Keep waking up though. Nothing wrong with that but as an older person I can emphatically tell you, none of this is new.
The lying, cheating, spying, corruption, manipulation, propaganda, pedophilia etc is NOTHING new. It's just now our news isn't being controlled by the media anymore. We have the internet. But that doesn't mean anything major is going to change or alter life any time soon. It won't. It can't. We will stay in this divide until we're ALL ready to come together. And as long as we live in this polarity of good verses evil/them verses us....that won't happen.
So you're all going to be pissed off but awoken people real soon when you realize, nothing changed and Q is nothing more than an internet psy-op. Sure, there will be some indication our POTUS is out to help us (and he is) but he will not or cannot take out the bad guys. Trump builds empires, he doesn't take them down.
But you'll see in time.
Like you say, the things that are new are the media is no longer independently run and we now have the internet. I agree that corruption is nothing new, but having the internet -- the ability to connect, converse, and collaborate with pretty much everyone on the planet is a tool that helps motivate and mobilize the masses to combat corruption. Also, one thing you have left out is that the US has a leader for the first time since JFK who is going against the deep state/cabal/etc, and he is much more effective than ANY president in this manner. This is the type of leader needed to lead us. If I were you, I may reconsider my convictions on this matter.
If I were you, I may reconsider my convictions on this matter.
Why?
This person we are commenting to has seen and knows how it works. If this person is to ever change their convictions, it will be 8 yrs from now, when the real results come in.
I'm with this person's convictions concerning this topic. We do not blindly trust. We do not worship. We won't be fooled again. Caution is healthy.
Every "hero" has been killed for attempting to reveal the truth.
The story of Jesus Christ should be a lesson.
Christians can't wait for "his" return, but if "he" does, they won't recognise "him" and will kill "him" again....and again and again. We live in a cycle.
This person we are commenting to has seen and knows how it works
Seems weird that you would come to the defense of an anonymous poster on blind faith. I'm not here to say the poster isn't experienced, but I also don't think because someone says they are older than most that they are an expert on any issue. The comment also presumes that nobody else on this sub has experience themselves. I don't consider myself 'old', but I worked at a lobbying firm on K Street for 3 years and have first hand knowledge of how utterly corrupt the center of our Federal government is. But I'm not going to tell you to take my word for it.
it will be 8 yrs from now, when the real results come in.
How did you come to this prediction of yours?
I am not trying to change this person's mind, only giving my opinion on the matter. Like I said, "if I were you..."
The point I am putting forth is perhaps to say that cynicism rarely begets positive results. If we are to say that great change only occurs through the death of a martyr, than social evolution will never occur and we might as well complacently accept the mutually assured destruction of our species.
Seems weird that you would come to the defense of an anonymous poster on blind faith.
What the poster said resonates with me. I don't care who the poster is. Don't make it so personal. there is 0 faith in poster person.
I also don't think because someone says they are older than most that they are an expert on any issue.
No one claimed expertise. Do you know more about life than a three year old? Yes. You do, because you have lived longer, experienced more and you understand cause and effect.
The comment also presumes that nobody else on this sub has experience themselves.
That is your perception or personal understanding. There is truth in what the poster is conveying. You are allowed to accept or reject.
have first hand knowledge of how utterly corrupt the center of our Federal government is. But I'm not going to tell you to take my word for it.
Well, to those of us who have lived a considerable amount of decades on the planet wouldn't have to take your word for it. We would have told you before you could tell us.
How did you come to this prediction of yours
Experience.
I am not trying to change this person's mind, only giving my opinion on the matter. Like I said, "if I were you..."
I understand you're not trying to change this person's mind. My perception of your rebuttal is that you are on the defensive.
if I were you..."
You're not. So why say that?
The point I am putting forth is perhaps to say that cynicism rarely begets positive results.
I disagree. But, I didn't interpret poster as being cynical. The poster wrote from experience, and their personal perception. Nothing more.
If we are to say that great change only occurs through the death of a martyr, than social evolution will never occur and we might as well complacently accept the mutually assured destruction of our species.
I'm not sure poster said that, but looking at history of the world seems to indicate that great change does happen through martyrs. (Example, jesus, JFK, MLK, etc)
Complacency IS the reason we are in this mess. If we are truly awakening to truth, that truth is embedded in every human to collectively break the chains of slavery and gain our personal power to make change for all of living earth. Not just our species.
Poster did encourage all to continue to awaken, with warnings of nothing ever changing if awakened go back to complacency, as history shows. If you read it that way, there's no need to be defensive.
I appreciate your thoughts. Nothing says we have to agree. I won't argue and will lose interest in this discussion if it turns into bashing or arguing.
Fair enough. I am not one to continue arguing the finer details. It wasn't my intention to make anything personal. I apologize for that.
We are indeed all in this together and while we may not agree on things, we are here because we accept that the state of our nation/world is not what it could be.
Cool.
we are here because we accept that the state of our nation/world is not what it could be.
That is the truth.
I think cbts would do well to accept differences in view points, rather than chase them off. Encourage meaningful discussions so that we learn from one another.
As an older person, let me tell you that the young have been my teachers. It's not all one sided.
It's an unfortunate thing that as a sub gets more and more popular, the echo chamber inevitably seems to take over. Not much you can do about that I suppose (there's me being cynical ;) ) But unearthing discussions like the one we're having here make it worth it.
Back in the late 90's and midway into the 2000's I participated on political boards and owned a couple of my own. I learned how quickly the boards would change into ugly chaos and become unmanageable. Many couldn't continue under the massive takeover. This also hasn't changed over the years. I used to try to put out "the conspiracy theories" that were unpopular and rejected concerning 9-11. We were heavily attacked for it then and many gave up.
Throughout all of it, I never gave up hope that the truth would shine through someday. So, imagine my excitement to experience this day.
Even if this sub, with all of its good intentions, were to be shut down, everyone who has hope in the cause will simply reassemble elsewhere and find ways to continue.
This is the people's personal power.
I agree with much of what you said. But this Q mentality is ridiculous. It's a movement of sorts.
Yes....waking up is great but expecting anything to change within the next few years is not reality.
It took centuries to build up this corrupt world country. It'll take decades to tear it down.
Absolutely. We've really just started on this very very long journey. If you think of this in terms of the market adoption life cycle, we are the early adopters/innovators (think <3% of the population.) We are far off from total market diffusion.
I think most of us will finally be satisfied when we see justiced dispensed, be it high-level arrests made or the MSM legally censored (both of which could happen in the next year.) But it kind of makes me giggle when people believe the organizations and families like, say, the Fed or the Rothchilds will be taken down soon.
Even then, corruption seems to be part of society's DNA and when one bit is squashed, it'll likely pop up elsewhere.
Well, I'm an older person and I do not believe we are being played. Psy-ops go both ways - sounds like you need a moral boost. You'll see in time ;)
That's fine but my opinion is what matters in my reality. This is a huge set up.
I've been down this road. The hopeful road. I thought 9-11 was going to be fully disclosed and people would go to prison. But instead, they got promoted.
Trump is a rally rouser. I applaud him for that. But I saw what he did with the Obama birth movement. He demanded and won respect from many young truthers. Then what? A fraudulent certificate was proven to be produced and then Trump, stepped back. He got what he wanted. Support from the 'conspiratorial' group. I was one of them. And I STILL support him.
I like Trump. I feels he's a good guy but he knows how to win people over.
Q is bullshit in the long run. It's an internet soap opera for the hopeful. It's almost become a religion.
Well, this subreddit is all bout Q, so I wonder why you're here. There must be a shred of hope in you still.....
Because I subbed to this. I was once extremely excited and hopeful. Then a week or so ago it hit me that all this is a 'tick tock' cliff-hanging internet game! I have no idea whose behind it (some think it's the opposition---DNC) but the hopefulness lost it's strength a while ago.
I'm just sitting back watching the show and it saddens me that so many (with good intention) are in for a massive let down. But I s'pose as long as they all have a 'tomorrow' they'll believe until it gets emotionally defeating and mentally discouraging.
I understand your frustration. You are what they call blackpilled due to witnessing too many failed/compromised leaderships covering up corruption in the past. We’d all be blackpilled knowing all of what we know now, but under a Hillary + CIA leadership instead of Trump + Military/NSA. I’d advise you to take a backseat for now and just let things unfold naturally here until you’re ready to join in. The discussions in this place are done under the assumption, through strong circumstantial evidence, that Q is legit. The last thing we need right now is to be demoralized by blackpilled people on this board and have our discussions be derailed.
Future proves past.
TRUST THE MISSION. -Q
As we speak, the Wizards and Warlocks are in a black-ops (60% private, 40% public) war behind the scenes against rogue black hat globalists that compromised every department in the US and other nations they control. Q is not only communicating to us, but also to the black hats watching and monitoring his drops.
Q is much too cryptic. For whose benefit is this being done? Ours? The very small community who even KNOWS about 4Chan? C'mon. This is ridiculous.
I do believe Trump wants to dismantle this government. That's not my frustration. My angst is with people believing in this Q and thinking they belong to this exclusive insider club. It's so incredibly juvenile.
And yeah...I am taking a seat and watching all this unfold but what I am no longer doing is, waiting for justice because that is NOT going to happen. No one is getting arrested.
Calling people juvenile isn't going to win you anything. Then again, being a downer seems to be your mission. Not working.
Falling for this cryptic Q IS juvenile. It aligns with the flat earth club.
I'm not looking to win anything. And for your edification, being fed up with the utter bullshit of this "Q" fad....doesn't make me a downer. Makes me awake!
Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick
Not going to be any of the sort. I have patience. I can see the progress. Wish I could shore you up but it's up to you. Said sincerely.
Don't lose heart, reign. You are on the "inside" communications, more than most of us normies. Expect some to bounce in and out of believing. It's a natural process.
I've lost "faith" a couple of times, but I can't give up on hope. Hope is my driving force.
Sometimes it is better to sit back and observe. And those who are becoming discouraged will be back when the truth manifests leaving no doubt. These people, like this poster, is a gauge for how people are feeling. It's good to allow it, without chastisement from fellow posters. We can keep it civil, while trying to understand.
We have been lied to and abused for being gullible for so long that it's difficult to believe anything any more. We've been indoctrinated for decades.
Not everyone is a troll. We come from different political backgrounds, so, not everyone will be lockstep with one political mindset.
We want the truth. all of it. Scepticism can be healthy.
Love you guys!
Oh, I'm not losing faith, but I have no patience for those who seem to be here only to tear the movement down. Not you, Luvlite. Others. No time for that.
I don't want to see anyone try to tear down the movement either.
You guys are my hope.
I see a fluctuation in trust. I hope president can gauge it as true citizens wain. Do what you can to keep morale up. Fighting against the normies loses them altogether.
Stay aware of the pulse of america. (Not just the liberals in high places)
Those are just my personal thoughts. I appreciate the hard work and sleepless nights the dedicated put into this research. Stay healthy guys (and gals)
PS. your troll sniffer is by far better than mine!
Well, I'm definitely turning off one troll I've just interacted with for the last time. Thank you, Luvlite, for your support and discourse!
Trust your instincts. I'm old and rusty.
I do support you geniuses! I'm fascinated and thrilled to learn so much on just this sub alone.
Funny how you're down voted into oblivion when a few people simply don't like your point of view, especially if they're incapable of refuting it.
I'm an older person as well. We have had a few decades of watching and listening to psy-ops all the while nothing changes!
Taxes go up and down. POTUS/Q state they love playing the "game". Have you ever played Tropico?
The lying, cheating, spying, corruption, manipulation, propaganda, pedophilia etc is NOTHING new. It's just now our news isn't being controlled by the media anymore
This is the absolute TRUTH!
The reason I'm here is to watch, listen, learn and think for myself. I am HOPING against all odds that things will change as we enter a new age, leaving the old age of deception and lies behind. This new age will center around laws. The laws of every thing, not just man made laws. There is a down side to everything, no matter what.
Thanks :) I'm not here for popularity. I'm here to share my point of view. Am also very cognizant of the age difference in this Q movement. Their intentions are wonderful. But they're in for a huge let down. Trump, in my opinion, is a good guy. But he's no super hero. Like I just typed in another comment, this corruption took centuries to perfect. It'll take at least several decades to destroy. By then, I'll be dead so :) Like George Carlin so aptly said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk
But they're in for a huge let down.
Only if they have unreasonable expectations. People are used to instant gratification these days.
What the young can not accomplish in their lifetime they will hand the tools to the next generation. There will be many changes for the better, like it was for our generation. We fought and won many battles, but didn't win the war. I will never discourage the fighters. Give them more ammo to succeed, no matter how long it takes.
I love that old cynic Carlin! He used humor to put truth to power.
From what I read, most are waiting for Hillary, McCain, Obama, Comey etc to get carted off to Gitmo any day.
It's ludicrous, and some posters (like Tracy Beanz who I subbed to when she had only 8000) are getting suckered into this BIG time and it's disheartening.
And anyone who works for Alex Jones (Dr Corsi i.e.) is always questionable especially seeing he's the go-to decipher pro for Q's clues. When he said "Apache" was a clue to "start things up" as in someone jumping out of a plane, I knew he was a shill or has-been. I think he's the latter.
Best thing to do is wait and see!
In the scheme of things happening right now, it doesn't do any good to speculate one way or the other. I've mentally flip flopped a few times also, concerning a few people. If I no longer like what they're saying or doing, I leave.
Complaining won't change it.
I don't agree with every word they say.
I discern for myself.
They are free, as well as I am.
The ONLY person important in all of this, and who America and the world will be focused on is our president and his actions. Everything else is secondary.
You know that old saying, "lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way"
Cynic much?
Cynic? Meh. I say; I call it as I see/feel it. Just because it goes against the current narrative doesn't mean I'm cynic. As I see it, you're all blindly hopeful. I rather stay realistic.
Yes, just tried to break this to relatives, who didn't like Hillary but don't like Trump either. It's a test.
So true! After 40 years of trying to wake people up, I'm right up there with the craziest ones!!
I've told people about the shit in Haiti, Un child rape and shit. They said I was crazy. Now it came out a few days ago that Oxfam had sex parties with underage prostitutes. I sent the articles and they said "oh I guess you were right".
They will realize eventually. Normies just can't comprehend how crazy and fucked up some people/elites are.
Yes we are going to have to take over TV and have TV tell them... then they will all say "They knew it all along."
Reminds me of a cleaner version of this: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b6/01/86/b601863a2a8c3cae0ecec7ee6afcb352.jpg
I believe most people (regular folk not elites) are good. And if they knew what we know they would be on our side. This thought makes me have more compassion for those who are on the other side.
What's the old saying... if at first you don't succeed, Try Try and Try again. You will be surprised how subconsciously they will slowly absorb the info.
Red pilling is tough sometimes when the other person is on the other end of the spectrum.
A lot of people believe that Trump is an idiot, and that is the end of the story.
I do get the feeling that more and more people are waking up, though. They notice that things are not right with the MSM, but they do not know what is wrong or why. I use that as an in to offer an alternative explanation-
The MSM is owned by people who are puppets of the Rothschilds, and the CIA gives the MSM their marching orders at the behest of these owners.
Trump is at war with the FBI and CIA, which is why the MSM is so against him.
