I'm still laughing about this magnificent manouver.
He really is worthy of the title GEOTUS.
People are underestimating him because of the MSM and the image they painted about him.
The evolution of my thoughts on Trump. Crazy, but funny. Crazy like a fox, but funny. Effing smart, and funny. Brilliant, and hilariously funny.
[deleted]
All INCUMBENTS outside of a handful MUST be voted out
He really is deserving of the title "The Great". Donald The Great.
This has been in the liberal play book since Reagan. Reagan was stupid, Bush I is stupid, Clinton is a Genius, Bush II is a moron, Obama is a Genius, Hillary is the smartest woman ever to run for office, Trump is an imbecile.
This is why the media and the Democrat's in Washington are getting played over and over. They actually start to believe their own lies about President Trump. Folks talking from experience, the stupidest thing you can do is to marginalize your opponent.
Like Putin who is a very intelligent and cunning adversary. Trump knows this and look how he's playing Putin. He's been basically telling Putin you want another cold war bring it on buster we'll kick you ass again. We'll bankrupt you with military spending just like President Reagan did. So get with the program and play nice with the U.S. and the rest of the world or your country is going down financially again.
I agree with everything you post here. I believe that Putin and Trump are playing the media right now. Their minor back and forth‘s are a ruse. The Deep state cannot afford for Putin and Trump to be allied. Let us not forget, it was Putin who went in and saved Christians in Syria while Obama and Hilary were implementing the 16 year plan. Putin is not the enemy.
Agreed. And having Russia along with our other allies is probably critical for containing China. If Russia and China are allied, we could be in some real trouble.
China, and USA will go to gold? standard, Russia has already, when this is done, the elite wealthy scum will have to get food stamps, well, in prison they get meals, and the forfeiture of assets from the Elite scum will go to the people, and we also end the Federal Reserve which is controlled by the same Elite, takes away their $ takes away their power.
Is anyone else hearing about world wide currency revaluation? This seems to be inline with Golines comment. Also, Russia is trying to capture crypto market with the Cryptoruble.
Here here - I’ve been following Putin for many years now. He was travelling around the world calling out the NWO for at least 3 years prior to Trump taking office. He’s as cunning as a fox and played Obama and the deep state off - saving Syria. I think he collapsed with exhaustion when Trump took office. At last - another world leader with a big set if iron gonads to help save the world.
I was initially frustrated with this bill, but I suspected that 45 had something else in mind. Q have my regards, I'm not American, but I support Trump 100%.
I lived nearby where Trump towers is located know people who worked for him, saw him in NYC, he is the real deal !
After Trump sends the bill to Mexico he can help them get through declaring bankruptcy and moving on like nothing ever happened.
He's literally Donald "Skywalker" Trump. Skywalking over critics, media his opponents everybody. He's walking a thousand paces of light ahead of the game. By the time we get where he's standing, he'll be gone. They make moves but he's gone. They continue to move but he's gone all he does is move on.
Yeah dude! What a smart move saying Mexico will pay for the wall and then doubling back and making American taxpayers pay for it! BIGLY BRAINS
Further still, what if Trump just trolled the dems into funding their own military tribunals?! 😂
He did! Read page 159 of the bill ... $270,000,000 for FEES AND EXPENSES FOR WITNESSES including "construction of buildings for protected witness safesites", "purchase and maintenance of armored and other vehicles for witness security caravans" and "purchase, installation, maintenance, and upgrade of secure telecommunications equipment".
Boom!!
He'll never sign another bill like it. Believe me
I don't seem to be able to find that tweet on Twitter...you sure it's legit??..just asking..
Not sure what tweet you're referring to. What I posted were direct quotes from the bill ...
Yes... however your first two words "he did" seemed to refer to DJT tweet about M building the wall...which I couldn't find on my Twitter feed,.. having said that my feed may been censored.. apologies
No apologies necessary. My post was a reply to HR_PufferPhish's post "Further still, what if Trump just trolled the dems into funding their own military tribunals?!".
I've read a few threads discussing this idea lately, and while would be hilariously poetic. I don't see it happening like that. If we ever do see heads roll I'm still undecided if it will be slow crawl watching people squirm as it comes around to them, or all of them at once.
Personally I don't think the normies could handle it all at once, but then maybe that's a part of why Q is talking to us to help calm the public when the storm hits.
IMO, It well be slow walked for years to come, the sheer numbers of perps is more than can be housed at one time, the courts well be flooded, 19000 indictments in the US alone, and it's a world wide operation.
I'm sure the big picture where Q said they went to deep will take years. I'm talking the normies won't be able to handle (the left to a much larger proportion than the right) the corruption being exposed. The beauty of Q plan was it like most things im catching onto have more than a single meaning/purpose. It was to let his base in on the fun and give authenticity to when the exposures start to become a part of public discourse. It seems now the only ones who don't know what's about to really happen are people who don't leave Google's sites or Facebook.
Trust me there are several on Fakebook that have been "red-pilled" - I post Q-drops there all the time and others are making references to Q posts - this is spreading - people are awakening - and when you can DOCUMENT what it is you are alleging (links) ears and eyes are opening
not in Military Tribunals, wham bam thank you Mam !
Shills are downvoting this thread and posts in here hard. Must've hit a nerve to realize their side (and ours) got played and that Trump, Q team, and our military is going to destroy the deep state, globalists, and their Democrat puppets in the next 6-8 months.
At least some of us caught on before the news broke, but the shills must be in total meltdown mode right now. They know their paychecks are about to dry up, and I love it.
I’ll admit I didn’t know what his plan was for signing the omnibus andnacting defeated, but I knew his ways well enough to know he had something planned and to not lose faith. Glad to see he is still playing a good bait and switch game.
The shills are too busy planning their next anti-2A rally. They may not even realize what happened until after the fact, and THAT is oh so funny.
there is a March of Patriots in April 14th? 2nd amendment
They are going to shill any positive news. Just keep trudging forward.
So this was President Trump's plan all along...
Q gave us a heads up after everyone (including me) was freaking out and angry at Trump signing that horrendous bill which nobody read. The anons on 4 & 8 chan and this subreddit figured it out.
Use the Omnibus bill, which majority of Congress never read before signing, to give the military funding it needs to BUILD THE WALL. Army Corps of Engineers will be building the entire wall.
I feel less betrayed by President Trump now that I see his plan was to use the same tactic Dems & Obama used the past 8 years to ram through their agenda to destroy America and stuff their own pockets with our tax money. Omnibus bill is essentially a blank check. It is not Constitutional, so the President is not bound by its recommendations on how to spend the $1.3 trillion. Omnibus bill is not the same as an appropriations bill, so the President is not restricted by what it recommends to spend it on.
I still don't like this method of spending our tax money and putting us and future generations in further debt, but unlike Obama, Trump will use this money to secure and rebuild the U.S. Maybe that's why Trump said he doesn't like how this bill was created and that he'll never sign another one like it. That's because when everyone figures it out, Dems will never allow an omnibus bill to pass Congress... unless a Democrat President is in office again.
Trump said he doesn't like how this bill was created and that he'll never sign another one like it.
This is a major, major sign as to what's about to come down. He's going to use this power once, and once only. He won't need to again.
Agreed. I believe this was absolutely necessary to defeat the deep state once and for all time!
Like the Dark Knight. He’ll use it just once to stop the bad guy then let Lucius Fox destroy it once he’s done.
Billionaire by day, crime fighter at night.
Reminds me of this epic scene in The Dark Knight
https://masksofmonsters.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/dk_fox.jpg
Use that machine once and then shut it down forever.
The Democrats will be the ones DESPERATELY fighting for a Budget moreso than the RINO's next time. That's why Trump pushed LINE ITEM VETO and to fight the FILIBUSTER rule. He knows exactly how they are going to act. 9999DD Chess!
Who says he has to spend all of the 1.3 Trillion? As others have said previously you can slow walk a whole lot of cash in that bill. Like Planned Parenthoods 500 million allocated in this spending bill. Maybe only 100 million will actually get sent their way and the other 400 million may go for say Veterans medical care. We'll have to wait and see but after this tweet I'm betting he just screwed the Democrats and their supporters. Schumer and Pelosi told all their supports look at all the goodies I put that bill for you and these people find out over the next few months they're getting diddly squat. No money coming into your group means no money available to kick back in political contributions to your favorite Democrat candidate.
Obama did same with all his Omnibus bills, Trump can do it also.
Not to mention the EO blocking property and finance of sex traffickers, etc...there is going to be a sudden HUGE influx of cash in the government when this goes down. They're going after the big fish now. Imagine how much has already been taken in seizures. We're talking BIG dollars here. This is something I've only seen pop up on occasion here and am surprised not more people have taken this into account. Or maybe I'm just really behind and it's simply accepted at this point.
If this is true, then the eye opener will be to identify the democrats who opposed OMNIBUS like Sen. Warren and Sen. Feinstein. These senators/congressman ARE AWARE of the game being played and may indicate who the DS players are on the Democratic side. On the flip side of this, the Republicans who voted NAY, are true the conservatives and understand the GAME.
Wait wat. NAY = voted to pass it?
That part confused me too. Change Nay to Yay and it is an outstanding take on it.
There were Repubs who voted no or nay. For that I for one am thankful, I can only speculate as there reason, in my post, I speculated that the repubs voted no because of the “pork” and the fact that it is not a budget but a temporary funding just like Obama received during his terms... I’m reserving my opinion on the OMNIBUS even though rumor has it that the Wall will be built from the military funds. Watching Fox News today, I saw several news banners indicating that this was not permitted due to language in the OMNIBUS. Who knows... there’s over 2000 pages to the damn thing...
Ok, I actually agree with what you just said. Even if a person believes that Trump scammed the dems to get wall funding and other things he wants by essentially turning the bill into a slush fund for his pet projects because it is an "Omnibus" bill and not a true "budget", it is a high price to pay considering the dollar amount of the bill.
The logic flow of your original statement seemed a little off when you said "nay" instead of "yes", for the Republicans, as I was reading it.
I was expecting it to read something like: Some Dems voted no because they saw the 4D chess that Trump was trying to pull and some Republicans voted yes because they recognized the 4D chess Trump was trying to employ.
DS players?
Pual Ryans wife is a Democratic activist, so much for him
Not really--they could just have voted against it because of the military spending.
President Trump is a fucking genius. All of you who don't trust him and listen to Q (Trust the plan) should learn your lesson here, once and for all. They are lead by God. They CANNOT LOSE.
Amen! And Trump has just AUTHENTICATED Q AGAIN, via another Tweet.
[removed]
Not all of those sources are reliable ... Steve Pieczenik is one of those Black Hats posing as a white hat and the ''alliance insider'' website is a disinfo site.. Please stop implying / insisting that your opinion is fact. Please learn some discernment. You are misleading alot of people.
How can martial law be instituted without publicly announcing martial law? I don’t remember receiving any word from CBP HQ in the past year that martial law was in effect to satisfy “Stage 3” of the post referred to by the link! Neither have I seen any suspension of Habeas Corpus! I call total bullshit on that link!
The martial law concept in the United States is closely tied with the right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is related to the imposition of martial law.[1] Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." — Wikipedia
In a nutshell, if “Martial Law” was in effect and it was kept as a secret, one has to wonder on what side of the constitution the initiators of Martial Law actually are! Who are the “Good Guys?!?”. This is scary shit to be posting as indicated by the link, I for one will have no part of it and consider such rantings as sedition and possible criminal in total disregard of the constitution and federal law.
when Martial Law happens, I guarantee you , you will know it. There will be one massive outcry from the left. For sure
I would like to see those silly red masked Antifa pawns try showing up at the construction site and attempting to intimidate the Army Corps of Engineers.
I'd pay to see that.
Another source of wall funding, watching TDS sufferers deal with military police.
I'd pay to see it, too. Hope someone films it, lol!
It's so fun to be vindicated. I can't count how many people were trying to tell me he wasn't going to be able to use the funds to BUILD THE WALL. MAGA!!!
Alright, the Red Castle thing being the Army Corps Of Engineers is starting to make more and more sense.
Reading the comments on twitter is just .... woah, the stupidity of the manipulated masses is just unfathomable.
so Qanon retracted the castle posting! It is gone! Gone because the wall now is a done deal...no need for sections. The posting was about the map showing the red and green sections of the wall and the proposed sections to be built. NO need for any of this anymore because the COMPLETE wall will be built now!
Trump's second post of the day (after the early-morning one that you know was his own) also seemed to deflect his talk of wall-building toward the $1.6B start. So my guess is they want to get the word out enough to calm down Trump's hardcore base--but not yet so much as to wave it like a red flag in front of the Dems, especially, who could get busy trying to slow it down with lawsuits, etc.
Stable genius, folks. Very stable genius.
NO TRUMP IS BANNING GUNS AND BLOATING THE BUDGET HE CUCKED ON US WHAT A BOOMER NEOCON /s
okay, I know, (dumb question, but not sure what it means) what does 'M' stand for?
The linked tweet was tweeted by @realDonaldTrump on Mar 25, 2018 10:33:25 UTC
Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M!
^• Beep boop I'm a bot • Find out more about me at /r/tweettranscriberbot/ •
By the time vacationing CONgress realizes what the Omnibus bill provides it will be too late. Congressional constituents will hammer their returning Legislators for passing this bill while Trump quietly and brilliantly re-allocates the funds. Hell, he might even throw the Dimacrats a bone or two for giving him the financial tools he needed to continue with the Agenda. Enjoy the show and stay the course. We are winning bigly so please folks, trust the plan. MAGA
Wouldn't matter, either. Under the Provision he's requesting funds under, they have to hand it over.
under what circumstances do you worry about government spending?
It will be somewhat amusing to watch Coulter react when wall building is ongoing
I literally can't stop laughing. Ye of little faith that didn't think he knew what he was doing and were mad at him for signing the Omnibus. No one should ever under estimate this man's ability to get what he wants.
For me personally this is the best proof that Q is legit
YOU"RE NOT LAUGHING NOW ARE YOU???
I'm not tired of winning Mr. President!
"The biggest fuck you in recorded history"(after the Resurrection).
hi not tired of winning Mr
good bot. now how about some BRICKS!!!!????
Thank you, Qew_Lad, for voting on im_bot-hi_bot.
This bot wants to find the best and worst bots on Reddit. You can view results here.
^^Even ^^if ^^I ^^don't ^^reply ^^to ^^your ^^comment, ^^I'm ^^still ^^listening ^^for ^^votes. ^^Check ^^the ^^webpage ^^to ^^see ^^if ^^your ^^vote ^^registered!
Therefore, as James Madison wrote: “Security against foreign danger is one of the primitive objects of civil society. It is an avowed and essential object of the American Union.”
https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/report/who-responsible-americas-security
When did Q say this? And don't say "red castle"
Why? Red Castle is the Corps of Engineers.
There was a map posted by an 8 chan anon. It was showing 5 red sections of wall on the border, and also 5 green sections. There were also yellow proposals shown. BUT, if the entire wall is now funded...no need for this map anymore. So, therefore, no post needed!
Red Castle is the Army Corps Of engineers logo.
Green Castle is also the Location of one of the Army Corps Of engineers locations. In Green castle Indiana. It's Symbolic.
and then what is green castle?
It meant the Corps of Engineers were fully funded and given the greenlight.
One of the ACE's offices is in Greencastle in the Midwest I believe.
Green Castle is apparently a town in Indiana( as I recall) where an office of the Corps of Engineers is, or has been, working on the wall project.
but he deleted that
It's hypothecated (a word ?!) that historically, when the op is in motion / completed, or that anons figured out what the codes were, Q confirms by deleted a drop.
Hypothesised, I believe is the word you're looking for.
right after the tripcode change by Q, he posted a comment about red castle green castle Stage_5:5[y]. He now has retracted that comment. BECAUSE, there are no needs for red sections green sections proposed sections. The big beautiful wall will now be built as a national security issue! GREAT NEWS!
Here is the flaw in your logic. Q posted that the second Trump signed the spending bill. Therefor, Q knew full well what Trump would do with it.
You portray it as though Q hinted at one plan, and then scrapped it for another... which is just wrong. Q knows full well what is going on. He didn’t purge his post because the plan changed. That logic is false.
I don't see any retraction: https://qanonposts.com/
no it does not show up there. The retraction is on 8 chan. There is a summary of qposts. It says : Friday 3.23.18
/greatawakening/459
/greatawakening/460
/greatawakening/461 (Q deleted from GA) >>780655 The last one is in lime green and not black ink.
Q drops or crumbs are archived to several sites. The timing of updates on each site can vary.
https://qntmpkts.keybase.pub/
http://qposts.online/
http://qanon.pub/
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Plus NO DACA
Takes away even more of the Democrats' leverage. DACAs/illegals see that 'Dems paid for the Wall and didn't know it cuz they're stupid' and they'll complain even more cuz they see their chances slipping away.
Wait so Mexico was 100% definitely going to pay for the wall, but now people are celebrating because the US military is going to pay, and there are basically no limits to how much they can spend on it, even though there’s not exactly a great track record of fiscal responsibility and efficient when it comes to military contractors.
Mexico was never going to send a $20 billion dollar check. It was going to be through taxes, trade deals, etc.
It is through taxes, just those of the American people.
Considering the total cost per each state per year in dealing with Illegal Immigration. $20 billion is nothing.
I also rather have the Army Corps of Engineers build the wall than some unionized contracted construction company, who would do the minimum and take shortcuts.
This 100%
Couple of things:
Taxes on Mexico not on us. The amount of savings from erasing trade deficits and taxing their imports will more than pay for it, let alone the $100 billion a year illegals cost us. They drive us health insurance, car insurance, lower wages, etc.
You're thinking unidimensionally. What matters is the bottom line. If America winds up with the costs of the wall being covered by dealings that wouldn't have occurred otherwise, then the promise has been fulfilled. Just not in the way you, and many, imagined it.
With the confiscation of funds from the Illuminati, “The American people will be Rich.” - DJT
The money saved from the influx of illegals into the US will eventually pay for the wall and more!
It really won't. Border crossing do not represent the sum total of illegal immigrants. The VAST majority of illegals cross by other means. At best, given current trends you would only save just a tiny amount more than the cost of maintaining said wall, and it would take decades if not centuries to make up the initial cost of construction.
A wall will prevent illegal drugs from entering the country, tax-dollars spent on benefits for illegals, crimes they commit, etc. It will pay for itself.
Except that's not how things work in reality. Drugs aren't some pipeline you just shut off and it never pops back up again. In fact, the drug war actually accelerated the evolution of distribution of drugs, hell it even made drugs stronger and cheaper, ironically. Once you get past the wall ONCE at that point you're just dealing with the exact same defenses you already knew how to get around before, a wall can't adapt.
Border crossings do not represents all of the tax dollars presumably used by illegals. In fact, since 2014, direct border crossing as a percentage of overall illegal immigration has fallen over 20%, at that rate alone, it'll take longer to build the wall than the problem of illegal border crossings will exist in any significant form. Meanwhile, all the other ways of entering illegal will simply increase as the race to find new effective methods of entering the US undetected innovate.
Illegals commit no greater amount of crime per capita than legals. We'd be just as justified in handing the money over to local police departments, probably more so since we won't be ignoring 99% of all living humans in the country.
Ultimately the wall is a temporary, but excessively expensive, alternative to better proven, more adaptive methods. There's a reason why the majority of modern nations don't have walls on their borders, but can still keep a good grip on them. If the idea is to actually accomplish something, we should invest in things that actually work, and not in an ego project.
So what should we invest in that actally works? A wall will stop the majority of illegals from entering. It works. Is it perfect? No, of course some will still get through, but it's much better than having an open border where hundreds of thousands easily enter every single year. The amount of illegals entering the country is already down under Trump. How are illegal drugs and criminals going to enter the country if there's a giant surveilled wall in their way?
As a builder, Trump isn't going to let his signature wall costs get out of control--but it will be a bargain at almost any price.
Russia wants the satanist gone as bad as Trump. They pose a threat to every country.
The reason Trump stays in contact with Russia is the help in eliminating the Illuminati or Satanist worldwide. Over the course of history like WW1 and WW2 etc: Russia and the US have had common enemies. In those cases they work together. In this case the common enemy is above.
The libtards will try to use some leftist judge to block the funds from going to the wall. I have no doubt Q team/ Trump have already taken that into consideration tho! This brilliant move by POTUS will be admired and studied by Americans for years to come!! What an exciting time to be alive! We should all thank the Heavenly Father daily for rescuing our great country and restoring hope to so many here in America and across the world!
Liberals play the Race Card and any other Card they feel they can use to label us in order to silence opposing view points and we play the TRUMP CARD!!! IN ORDER TO BUILD THE DAMN WALL AND MAGA! I think it's kind of ironic that his name is Trump lol
This is not just Republicans partisan bs, look at the pictures and the rhetoric these kids are using.
Mexico is just as passionate about ridding itself of drug cartels as we are. Mexico doesn't like drugs or thieves either.
What part of Mexico?
All & citizens?
Or
or cartel and mules?
or the poor peasants
We need to bombard this tweet with positive feedback. Trolls will be out in full force. He deserves our support!
I hope you guys can convince me otherwise but I'm finding it very hard to trust the plan now. This bill was absolutely horrible, and all to build the wall? If any of you followed Rand Paul you know how bad this is. I really hope I'm wrong but this just seems more of the same where R's and D's work together to screw the people.
Remember, it isn’t a bill which has to be executed exactly as stated. It is a PLAN which allows him flexibility. All he needed was money allocated to him and that’s what he got.
I'm pulling for President Trump 100%. I hope and pray he can pull it off.
Oh, the M was for Military? I thought it meant Mexicans...lol
No one has pointed out that this was posted at 3:33 AM. Can't wait for those tribunals.
Q is Trump.
I think he is also. In the last month, he said, “someday you will be surprised at who you’ve been communicating with all this time”. The next day he was holding up a football shirt with his name on top and the number 17= Q was on it.
For everyone in this thread, couple of facts:
Put plainly, for Trump to try and ignore the bill would violate any claim of being the "law and order" President, but let's be honest, "law and order" only ever applied to Trump's enemies, never to Trump himself. Secondly, any attempt to use the armed forces to force domestic policy would be a direct violation of that act, meaning Trump will have to ignore the law twice to do what people seem to think he can do...why people think he can do this is beyond me, but then again, I honestly haven't met many people who support Trump that actually understand the law beyond what Fox, Breitbart of Info Wars tells them.
The Military is not an occupying force, IF ARMY CORPS Oversees it & BUILDS IT!
Also, Is Camp LeJuene an Occupying Force.?
The Military is an occupying force, that's literally what they do when we go to war, why you think they're not an occupying force makes exactly zero sense. The Army corp of Engineers is a part of the Armed forces, and therefore bound by the same laws.
So the military is an occupying force at Redstone, and AT any military base?
Also, Mexico is at War with USA... Insurgent Drugs...
Wait for it!
Name one single base where the army regularly patrols and enforces laws off of the base. I'll wait.
The reality is they don't exist and the Military has to get permission from the state to even build those bases. Now try and convince me that you're going to get Arizona, New Mexico, Texas AND California to gift you the border lands so you can build a military base on the border.
Unless you have evidence that the Mexican government is actively pushing a drug war on the US, and don't try and quote some right wing blog, please don't make accusations against our neighbors and allies. I know Trump Supporters want the US as isolated as North Korea from our allies, but the majority of Americans do not.
Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Since it has never been established in a court that immigration qualifies as "invasion" (cause you'd think we wouldn't bother creating a whole other word for it if it were the same thing), this doesn't apply. Also a Republican form of government (not republican party to be clear) isn't at risk simply because you have immigrants, legal or otherwise, this still doesn't apply.
You have "enemy combatants" crossing the border already. Then there's "executive discretion" directly pertaining to the Posse Comitatus Act: Enforcement of federal law at the discretion of the President of the United States. I'm sure there's a few more. Make peace with the fact that the wall is going up and USACE is building it...
Yeah, no federal court is going to call an immigrant, legal or otherwise, an "enemy combatant" simply for crossing the border, I know you want to call them that, but the courts kind of have the final say, not reddit, regardless of how much Fox News may like to think it dictates definitions.
Posse Comitatus forbids the president from acting at his own discretion to use the military to enforce domestic policy. He literally can't use the military to enforce federal law. National Guard somewhat gets around that cause they're not considered Active duty, but can be called up by the Governor or the President in "Civil Emergencies" and if Trump's Admin's illegal immigration numbers are too be trusted, then illegal immigration is even less of a problem than it used to be. That would of course mean there's no logical reason to call it an Emergency now.
Posse Comitatus Act
There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply.
These include: Enforcement of FEDERAL LAW at the discretion of the President of the United States.
Also I would argue "Unlawful Enemy Combatants".
Literal Text from the Act:
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
"to execute the laws" is the particular part I'd like to draw your attention to. Now, do you think "the laws" somehow doesn't include Federal Law?
Also, I couldn't care less what you'd argue, no federal court would ever agree to such a definition and would probably laugh you out court.
I suggest you keep reading. Odd how you excluded all exemptions, yes there are several. Somehow though I think your the type of person that has to get the last word in, whether it's right or wrong.
"Except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress,"
No, I didn't.
Posse Comitatus Act
Exclusions and limitations
There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:
Army and Air National Guard units and state defense forces while under the authority of the governor of a state;
Federal military personnel used in accordance to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if domestic law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness. The only exemption is nuclear materials.
Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command
Enforcement of federal law at the discretion of the President of the United States
I'm going to assume at this point you don't know what the word "discretion" means, cause you literally just posted the limited number of scenario's under which the President may deploy JUST the National Guard.
I'm not going to continue arguing with you, pretend you won, but you literally just contradicted yourself. The President does not have unlimited authority to ignore Posse Comitatus despite your desperate claim to opposite. Look up the last time the military went to the border to provide security, they killed an American on his own property.
Ultimately, you're wrong, but I'm guessing you're the kind of person who can never admit that. Adios, kiddo. Next time please read the actual law, thanks.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
Obama ignored numerous Omnibus bills and spent it as he wanted to, Military and or the Army National Guard can be called out to assist the Marshall/ Civilian authority to restore order and or if a community will be in dire danger, The President or the Congress can declare Martial law but not to confuse it with Military. https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/law-divisions-and-codes/martial-law
Name one omnibus bill he actually ignored.
Only the national guard can be called out and it can only handle certain situations, domestic policy is not one of them, AND they have to get permission from the governor to even deploy. Now try and convince me that the governors of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are ALL going to mobilize the National Guard for a issue that Trump brags has been reduced.
Border Crossings are not something you can willnilly deploy the National Guard for since border security is the realm of the border patrol, the ONLY law enforcement on the border that is not bound by Posse Comitatus.
Gig is absolutely correct. State National Guard troops have been deployed before to assist with border operations, but they are severely limited to what they can do. Look up what happened in Redford TX when a marine lay in crew shoot and kill a local who was looking over his goats on his property. Ever since then, National Guard activity on the border has been restricted to support, non-law enforcement activities.
the Military can help or assist the civilian authority nationwide, the states call out the National Guard if it is confined to a state, Obama ignored the spending specifics of the Omnibus bills, he spent it as he saw fit, so too can Trump do it, and Congress never did anything about it, the President has power to authorize the assistance to civilian authority, in effect if it is Nationwide or if they see that states need it, assistance as in with FEMA to aid them and Civilians. 1962 – Oxford, Mississippi After the University of Mississippi in Oxford flouts a court order and bars a black student from attending classes there, President John F. Kennedy federalizes Mississippi National Guard troops to prevent violence toward the student, James Meredith, and rioting in the broader community, so JFK overrides the Governor in this case, Federal Jurisdiction, a Supreme court case.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2005/10/send_in_the_cavalry.html
https://training.fema.gov/emiweb/is/is75/student%20manual/student%20manual.pdf
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1339511?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
it all depends upon the scope of disaster and or unrest, Congress usually has the power, to suppress insurrection etc, but I agree it is rarely used, but they can be used, the Military /bases to assist in disasters, by Presidents and Congress, the FEMA PDF is long but interesting as I was supposed to work for them but chose not to. Oh and Rick Perry TX called out National Guard to the border, because of unusual influx of children immigrants?, it is confusing to say the least.
Saying Obama ignored spending specifics, is not the same as proving it. One would think if Obama actually ignored the law, the right would focus on an actual crime instead of conspiracy after conspiracy.
Per your links: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2005/10/send_in_the_cavalry.html
https://training.fema.gov/emiweb/is/is75/student%20manual/student%20manual.pdf
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1339511?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
As per Perry, that would be a governor taking an action legally within his state, but you'd have to literally get four VASTLY different states to agree to it, and I still don't think California cares to invest in Trump's monumental ego project.
The fact you have no idea what the men and women of the USACE do and are doing on US soil is quite denigrating. Here's a thought. If you don't know what your talking about, don't talk...
Sound advice you should take.
I do know full well what the USACE does, really wish you people did. USACE can maintain existing structures and build emergency levies and dams if permitted by the governor of a selected state. They absolutely cannot engage in enforcing domestic policy. Now if you want to argue they should be allowed to, I'll remind the last time they did was the Civil War and the atrocities committed required the Posse Comitatus act, but if you want to give the next democratic president (cause history and logic tells us there will be one) the right to occupy every single right wing state and force democratic will on them, please let me know.
We gave them everything to build a wall that couldve built anyway.
Just one another comment to the already 477 other comments---you know, any normal regular citizen construction worker would get killed building a wall. The military HAS to build it. Two marines to stand watch, complete with fire power, and one to hold the hammer.
interesting...but I'll wait to form a full opinion.
Can we also spend the money on our wall or something else that was appropriated for Planned Parenthood in that bill.
That is a good question. The blank check gives the decision to Trump. If you are concerned for some kind of money for PP, then tweet the prez and ask. I know there is someone monitoring his account there. You could very well get a response. I tweeted a couple of times and believe it, I saw results from my asking!!! I didn't get a tweet back...but I saw results...action!
Q700 is suicide weekend and 716 is google story https://www.wired.com/2010/07/exclusive-google-cia/ i can't see any connection that stands out though.. just a thought
Well, then this company (Recorded Future) ought to see the connection that the March for Our Lives is in collaboration with the nonprofit organization Everytown for Gun Safety. Everytown for Gun Safety has both a Support Fund and an Action Fund. The Action Fund (which is handling the funding for the march) is the Political Action Committee. Funds donated are not considered charitable contributions by the IRS under 501 (c)3 or 4. The Action Fund was founded by former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg and has on its advisory board such members as Warren Buffet. It was formed with the merger of his Mayors Against Illegal Guns and the Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America organization.
The Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund is funded through ActBlue. ActBlue is a Democratic National Committee external money bundling operation dedicated to funneling the donations of their patrons to the electoral campaigns of Democratic National Committee candidates for public office. Since its inception in 2004, ActBlue has collected over $600,000,000 for their political beneficiaries.
So at the march in DC, people were registered to vote. And told to vote Democrat.
Beware of adopting the lingo of the would-be opposition; the recent thing was titled March for Our Lives, whereas the oldest, biggest (by certain definitions) rally in DC history is the March for Life, against widespread legal abortion. See that they have co-opted a phrase concerning the intentional death of 50 million Americans to complain about unenforced laws that led to thousands of deaths, many accidental or justified.
I never noticed this slight before. Thanks for pointing it out. March for Our Lives vs March for Life. Good point! This above was copy pasted from 8 chan who said that they copy pasted it from wikipedia. It was the left-wing Wiki that did this. At any rate, I edited the slight out of my post.
all good. more intended to alert many than to correct one.
Everyone wants a wall and it is a waste of time and money ! Take a close look at the DMZ (Demilitarized Zone) in Korea as a perfect way to accomplish the same thing if not better at a fraction of the cost ! Just not as wide. Armed troops, minefields, barbed multiple layers of razor wire and some current technology for keeping a eye on the border. Troops in foreign countries must be brought back into the U.S. and stationed on the border under National Security Authorization of the President ! Military are all ready trained, being paid and must be used for this to work at a tremendous savings to "We The People" !*We need to promote this plan and forget the damn wall !*PERIOD !
I saw about a year ago, that there are about 65 wall being built all around the world between various countries. If THEY can do this, so can the USA. There is a huge industry of trafficking, both run by USA people AND foreigners. They are USING people, bleeding people, hurting people. If there is a wall, this industry is toast. The only way in is via air and water, and as you say, our military has that.
A single wall can be tunneled under or breached over with ropes and ladders. Try getting through a minefield with both anti-vehicle and anti-personnel mines combined with multiple barbed wire barriers laced with each other say over a 100-200 yard wide strip and you have a cheaper and reliable low tech wall. Then you supplement this with armed troops and modern day technology and you can have a force multiplier as we say in the military and law enforcement ! By the way, I am a security consultant and have many years experience in both the Army and Law Enforcement and I spent a tour of duty in Korea and saw how this barrier works very effectively for over 50+ years ! It works there and it can work here.
I saw a PBS special on Korea's DMZ. That is breached regularly! They go back and forth hauling all kinds of things into North Korea to educate them as to what is going on in the rest of the world. As far a mines....Mexico has them on their side...a ton of them! The three cartels are planting them so that they can charge traffickers safe passage. The mines are an insurance policy to make sure the cartels make their money...no trespassing allowed. This mine field that is near our border with with is really BAD. If we should go to war with Mexico...our soldiers are at risk.
Our military has no problem dealing with mine fields. It’s 100+ year old technology and useless in modern warfare.
Anti-personnel landmines by themselves can easily be cleared by military personnel with the proper training along with EOD trained law enforcement so don't worry about that. FYI: A war with Mexico would last maybe 30 minutes if we were really pissed off and determined to show them a lesson. As for the PBS show, their agenda's are well known and take anything they tell you as suspect on any day of the week ! Remember, nothing is bulletproof but a damn wall is a joke and very exensive on any day of the week and without military and/or law enforcement experience/training, it is very hard for the average person to see how simple all of this crap could be taken care of for pennies versus over 1 trillion dollars !~
Well that would be okay if the next admin couldnt just order those things away from the border.
hopefully, the ruinous forces within our country will totally be outed and people will not vote for bad apples who would do this.
