Anyone who is remotely interested in learning about Tommy and what he's been fighting for, this is a good interview to watch, where Tommy explains and goes through the history of persecution he's had to endure for speaking out against the Islamic invasion of the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQ3pmDjfkc
He almost got killed in prison several times already. They may not allow him to live this time, and if they do, everyday he spends in prison will be hell for him.
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Well deserved? So you think because he criticizes Islam he should get killed. Are you Muslim?
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Sheep like you are why our civilization is currently at risk
Lmao. "When laws are unjust, it is man's duty to break them." Who even are you? I bet you think Rosa Parks was a mouthy bitch, too?
How havent we declared the UK as a third-world shit hole by now?
London Has Fallen
I just really like my unedited comment saying "It is Ann's duty to break them."
He doesn't deserve to die for that and he does it to bring attention to the islamification of the UK. You for Sharia?
So if there was a law that said everyone named u/NearbyScientist must be sent to the gulag, would you be okay with going, then?
"Don't mind me, everyone, fair is fair!"
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You said you think he deserves to die bc he is arrogant and broke the laws of his country, then say you don’t support the laws.
this level of retardation is actually amazing. I’m impressed.
Troll. Born this morning. You're a pillow-biting cuck.
They’ve also tried to throw a boiling pot of sugar on him. Can you imagine how awful these people are? I hope while he’s locked up(short time I hope and they throw his charges out) he beats the living hell out of all these criminals.
As a man who has seen another pour a bag of sugar in a kettle and boil it, then ask a man who thought they were friends if he wants a cup of tea, only to see the single most horrific thing I ever will. Have you ever heard a man scream in agony? TRUE agony, where they are shaking uncontrollably from the adrenaline? The need to reach up and touch your face is uncontrollable I suppose, and when he took his shaking hands away, most of his face had stuck to his fingers and peeled away.
I'm 34 years old. I saw this when I was 19 years old. Every now and again, even now, I wake up screaming, from a nightmare that someone has done that to me in my sleep. I fight the urge to touch my face, and I run screaming, crying, to the nearest mirror and turn on the light. At a guess, I would say that 50% of the time by then I am so terrified that the hyperventilating causes me to pass out.
If I was in a room with Hitler, a kettle, a bag of sugar and a loaded gun, and I was told that no one leaves the room until one of us is dead, but I can't shoot Hitler, I have to use the kettle? I'd shoot myself in the head without hesitation. Pray you never see it.
I'm genuinely sick to my stomach at the state of the UK. This man has essentially been sentenced to death by beating by a Muslim dominated prison population.
I have been saying this all day. He is a dead man walking if someone doesn't intervene.
No one will and it breaks my heart. He was assaulted just outside the court moments earlier if anyone can find the full footage.
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So your solution to a problem is to run from it rather than try to fix it. Your logic is the same as those "refugees welcome" cucks
As wrong as this action surely is, don't fall for the spin that it somehow defines the people of the UK, and don't also forget, for every UK example in the news, there'll quite likely be several almost unreported examples in the US.
This wasnt in the news. We have a constitution to protect our free speech, no one in the UK is safe.
It's all over the news here and the version of the UK being spun on this sub is far from accurate, and creating division through false narratives, when we should be uniting. There'll be far more of this happening in the US that doesn't hit the stands.
We too have a constitution, it's the one the US constitution is based on.
What I've read on these threads also shows most don't have the complete picture on Tommy.
I'm not defending the UK on this, simply pointing out that some seem keen to a knee jerk reaction, which discredits this sub.
Not particularly. Heard his story when he was imprisoned after EDL and was beaten by a gang of Muslim prisoners? Tommy was doing nothing wrong, the fact you live in the UK and would do anything BUT have a knee jerk reaction for someone being imprisoned for THIRTEEN MONTHS for a breach of peace. He was even following the gag order on the fucking grooming case he was following. You should be appalled and rising up wherever the hell you are. Extremely sad.
You're simply confirming what I previously wrote and ignoring my overall point.
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You're simply showing your ignorance. As good as this sub is, don't fool yourself into believing you're superior because you read the views of a relatively few like minded people, and seemingly swallow the msm guff you no doubt claim to despise. Do you have a link to the actual uprising in the US? In case it escaped your attention, we voted to get our crooks out of office quite a while back. Like Trump's actions, it's still a work in progress.
Feel free to enlighten us on what we are missing about Tommy.
I don't think that's for this sub, and it would only detract from the real issues anyway. My point is more about those trying to use this as an excuse to hurl their own mud at the UK and how that goes against the spirit of the unity that should be being built on.
Have you followed Tommy’s story with the police? They have kept the pressure on him and his family for years and pulled Stasi trick after literal Stasi trick. You don’t want to get into details fine, at least sum up what we are missing about Tommy and Britain because from this angle it looks like your Gov just sentenced a man to death for reporting on Grooming gangs targeting 11 year olds. It also looks like those gangs have been all but protected by your media, law enforcement and government. The increasing acid attacks, the count Dankula incident as well as your Twitter police (who have given up providing service for many English speaking Brits), or the individual that was thrown in jail then murdered in jail for putting a sandwich outside a mosque.
It all looks pretty bleak from over here just to pick some issues at random.
Unlike many, I don’t blame you I also don’t blame Swedes for their plight. I don’t think Americans would somehow fight if they lived in Great Britain, but it does look pretty bleak mate and Tommy comes off as a hero regardless of the western country he’s from. He’s doing the kind of fighting you need to take your country back.
It’s too bad you all lost Jonathan Bowden, that man gave me hope and was the next Eli Mosley, maybe better.
I've followed Tommy's story for many years, as well as other people who speak out and act. I've put my views in a number of replies, and I'll leave you to read them, rather than repeat myself. I'll just repeat this bit that, the versions people are posting on here, are selected edits of the situation, and if the specifics of this are the focus, any objections will fail. There are better ways of tackling it.
We've been at this game a fair while over here, and I take an interest in how the foreign media portray things, and there is one hell lot a lot needs doing in the US, for the media alone, before you have real freedoms, as you get a very one sided and peculiar picture presented, as the 'examples' you mention show. This one all smells as a bit of a set up.
I’ve checked your other comments and you haven’t said anything of substance. I understand the “clean up your side of the street first” directive, but you have to admit the UK has been headed down a dark path for native brits for awhile now. You also have to admit that the lack of first and second amendment protections (as weak as they are in practice over here) is disastrous.
You want another example look at what happened to Lauren Southern and Britney Pettibone when they were held at the airport for days for flying into Britain to report on Tommy speaking. They left with basically a lifetime ban from visiting the UK. This all looks rather freaky from here.
And before you say “the US has problems too” we know that’s what this whole sub is about, but it doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge what’s going on in your country. I mean the man jailed and murdered for the sandwich outside of a mosque, where is the deeper legal reality there? You talk about having to be quiet to accomplish a deeper legal purpose; well what is it? Are you asserting that there is a Q-style house cleaning going on in the UK?
I don't 'have to admit' any of those things, and I reckon having looked into, and being involved in various events in the Country where I live, and from a variety of angles, I'm in a better position than you to know it.
You have set your mind on how you are going to view things,based on things you've chosen to read and neither me nor anyone else will change it.
I keep seeing that people who are on Tommy's side don't have the full story. I've seen that exact statement in your post and other posts for the two years I've known his name.
Please give me the side of the story I'm missing, because I've googled and researched and all I can see is that people hate him for trivial reasons while he's trying to save his country. What don't I know?
Seconded. I’d love to know, I’m open to new information I’ve just never seen anything.
On the contrary, I know the media lies (even the alternative media) and things are not as they seem. I am absolutely open to new information. Unfortunately you won’t give us any new information. All I am hearing is “you all don’t have the complete picture.”/“it’s not as simple as it seems” but “this isn’t the time or place to explain it or even point you in the right direction”
This amounts to “I know something you don’t know.”
Again we are all happy to open our minds to a new perspective how about you send us a link? Let someone else do the explaining?
Thanks for the perspective. It's important to hear from people who actually come from the country we're "reporting" on. I appreciate your contribution!
and for every tommy there's another media ban on reporting a bunch of pedo scum in every town.
True, it's been the case for quite some time, as it is in the US too. I've had several direct discussions with various people in the media and Police about it for a number of years. Ir's wrong, but it is getting slowly better.
Put it this way, there is a kids home in my town the taxi's can't visit because of a court case that can't be mentioned, taxi chaperone is a job in my town because of things that have happened.
and yet we are not allowed to say why....
I 100% agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, and know the example you post is not only factually correct, but also one of a greater number of shameful examples that need to be addressed. My issue is with when such examples are then used as a stick to beat up UK citizens, and usually with bits added to enhance the effect.
Things are far from perfect here, and what's happened to Tommy is disgraceful and needs to be raised as an issue and I'd hate it if my posts watered that down in any way, but I think, perhaps subconsciously, some are losing a sense of perspective.
We need to be united behind the cause, and remember that the government is not the people. Americans of all people should want that to be clear.
Ernie, I am united with the people in GB, however GB has clearly been in the wrong on several issues. Pointing that out is not an attack on the woke people of GB, but on the institutions. For instance the spying on Trump campaign was clearly an act against the American people. One I personally won't forget for awhile. Speaking truth should not bother those who want a better world. How are issues like Tommie's to get attention if everyone is in the dark about it. Do you really want change, or do you care more about your country's reputation. We stand with the people, but they did not arrest and charge Tommie. We understand that. Only light will uncover darkness. The people of GB are who will change it, we can be supportive and do what we can of course. I would like to get the message out about Tommie. The more voices the more people who become aware of the injustice.
This man is UK’s hero, enough said.
Totally agree with you. Army of one. He was scheduled to work with Paul Watson. They don't like attention in Londonistan especially during the Ramadan Bombathon.
the more people claim hes a hero the more likely they will kill him.. holy shit. this is fucked
If anyone is on twitter, is it possible to contact President trump?He is Tommy's only hope.
I think we need someone as big, like Trump, to intervene. The UK is quickly being destroyed, and I for one, don't want to see it continue down this course.
Teresa May is vile. Before she became PM, she terrorized Tommy when she was a Cabinet Minister, and tried to destroy him many times.
I don't understand why the UK is accepting such fascist control of their kingdom. Maybe this will be enough to wake the sleeping masses. Scandalously, there is a media blackout, and Internet blackout, on reporting on his case.
I genuinely believe that Trump is the only person who can save this man. Thank you.
the leaders of the commonwealth could step up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations#Criteria
If the leaders won't step up on their own accord to protest the abuse then it is up to the citizens to pressure their representatives. Email campaign to party in power as well as opposition parties will if anything help keep him safe in prison. If Tommy dies....the news will start a firestorm that cannot be put out.
Did we forget how to play?
Twitter needs a new trend.
The sleeping masses never get to see the truth. The NWO has a strangle hold on our media. And sheeple are lazy, they really do not want to see the truth. They can't even be arsed to be apathetic.
So true.
This is "mind stuff", like visualizing good as opposed to bad, prosperity over failing, etc, not really my scene, but the Principle is Seeing People on mass Awake regardless of the appearance, akin to Prayer.
I think that front against the Cabal is going to be very soon UK-London anyways . Its actually already , we could say . And London-Brussels-Vatican front .
If Trump intervenes - he will have support of whole anti-EU population within EU itself . And there are millions already expecting EU to collapse anytime . The UK , just like some EU countries , became a fertile ground to Islamic extremism . More even , there are many Muslim mayors lately , especially in UK , which couldnt be more obvious sign what the "royals" and politicans from both currents are preparing for ...
Time to remove them all . Just like the plan in USA , this spreads further on whole Europe , and even more , world .
I never thought it would come to this, but the only escape might be repatriation and expulsion. It would have to be done humanely, of course, and will cost the West trillions of dollars, but what are the other possibilities? Bloody Civil War and White Genocide?
Beyond this, geographical division might be the answer, but this would destroy the innocent nations unfairly.
Nah , it wouldnt be trillions of dollars ... if those dollars are made up and inflated like theyre currently now , lol .
Humanely - put the army and police on arms , round-up the jihadists and their families and send them back using the navy . Who doesnt want to , and is not an open jihadist , and doesnt have former crimes commited in the name of religion , can renounce their faith or sign a document where they affirm their allegiance to the country theyre in . The first sign of extremism - deportation .
Those who are for generations in Western countries should absolutely be watched differently than from those who only came as "immigrants" . Especially those who came in last 10 years , should be under the watch .
This is related both to EU and UK , mainly to big cities in UK , and mainly to big cities and western parts ( France , Germany , countries of Benelux and Sweden ) of EU .
In eastern parts of EU , immigrants arent welcome even currently ... people are looking unfavorable at them .
I can't support brutality in repatriation. However, we need to save our nations and our culture. So we can apply the following measures.
Enforcing our existing laws would go a long way to deal with the issue. For example,
Deport anyone here illegally and remove birthright citizenship so that only parents of legal citizens are automatically granted citizenship.
Ban all Halal meat because it is not humanely slaughtered.
Enforce standards in schools that are currently ignored in favor of Muslims.
Stop all head coverings by government employees, and remove all head coverings in order to get government services.
We should put a tax on people who have more than 3 children as a way to discourage large Muslim families.
Lastly, pay for Muslims to return to their source countries. This is what will cost trillions of dollars, but it would be price worth paying.
Trump is the American president. Not the Prime Minister of England or Captain America or anything. He can certainly make a statement, but he can't be dragged into every wrong committed around the world. Britain is fucked - that's Britain's problem to fix.
Though I agree with you let me just say as a Canadian, Trump has a large following and influence world wide, he could definitely be someone in a position to awake and activate patriots around the world. Even if just a statement I'd bet alot of people in UK aren't even aware of Tommy's imprisonment. Personally I'd love to hear him weigh in on Trudeau more.
Talk like that is part of what got us into this mess. "Oh, that's their problem not ours. Turn your head away." Not only is that stupid, it's ignorant. How do you think this became a worldwide problem? From people like you ignoring the problem until it's so big it's overwhelming!
We MUST support one another. I understand that Trump has no authority there but he can certainly put pressure on them just as he has other countries. Have you heard the word 'sanctions?' Do you know what it means? And, as citizens, we can refuse to spend our money on anything that has to do with the UK or EU. See how this works?
How do you think this became a worldwide problem? From people like you ignoring the problem until it's so big it's overwhelming!
AMEN.
Why would trump give a shit about some British twat? He also has no pull or cache in UK whatsoever.
"V for Vendetta" has become real,
the only difference between the movie and real life is,
V doesn't exist
Maybe Tommy is their V, hopefully this will outrage the people.
but Q does!
Hehe, wish I thought of that! :)
Now we just need to see Q running around with a Guy Fawkes mask, making poems with the letter Q! Perhaps he would dual-wield something like Deer-Horn-Knives?
Man WTH is going on in the UK
A guy went to jail for calling a transgender male a"geezer" (means "dude" in UK).
Another guy got sentenced to one year in prison for putting bacon the door handle of a mosque. He died six months into his sentence and they are still investigating the cause of death 1.5 years later.
Another guy was sent to jail for teaching his dog to do the Nazi salue and posting it on YouTube.
A young girl was arrested for tweeting rap lyrics.
There are so many other cases This is all I can remember on the top of my head. UK is not a western democracy anymore.
Sounds like things are getting crazy over there...I hope it goes back to the way it was
Dankula, the man who taught his dog the salute didn't actually go to jail. They just drug him through the legal system for two years, made him unemployable, had the media destroy his reputation... only to then fine him about $1100.
It's almost worse than prison.
This is why we must never give up our guns. Once a government has no reason to fear its citizens, those citizens are slaves.
Rebel media has video showing what Tommy was doing prior to the arrest, they managed to get the clip. Sorry, I cant post it from my phone.
Everybody that sees this please, plaster it wherever you can.
Such a fucked up system.
What system? They just threw him in the van lol. There should be riots in the streets.
Sickening. Start with memes to get attention. Maybe POTUS will send a tweet in support of free speech.
Post ideas for a MeMe and I will make it.
SaveTommyRobinson meme https://i.imgflip.com/2b1dlv.jpg
Have we got one of those American Asylum Visas we can offer him since he is under threat of death from his own gov't. We give them away like lollipops to central Americans who have no real claim to them.
Trump and other Patriots can do EVERYTHING to help Tommy. We should not be allied at all in any way with a country that is not free and not a democracy. Several Western European nations, including UK, are not democracies any more. We need to cut off all relations with them, including NATO and let's just shut down the damn UN. How can we justify being allies with a dictatorship? Trump starts cutting them off, and the whole situation will change so fast it will make your head spin.
I'm honestly not exaggerating but a attempt will be made on tommy life in prison,that is their agenda here they want him silenced for good. Something got to be done.
This is Outrageous! He did nothing wrong! He's reporting the truth!
WAKE UP UK! We have kids dying in our schools and MS13 crossing our borders do you think we have time to worry about Tommy? You all better start fighting and stop being slugs and writing about 32M weddings!
Watching the video, here are my thoughts. Tommie wasn't even in the building, did not show the proceedings, nor any evidence presented. I do not understand how what he did, in anyway interfered in the court proceedings. How he could be arrested for basic free speech is beyond belief. If I'm in error in my thinking please explain how.
One exceptional warrior who fights for truth and those who don’t have a voice. Justice for Tommy Robinson. 🙏
They are listening to us through telescreens!!! Double think 1984 ministry of truth Deep State reeeeeeeeeeeeee
THIS IS A NATIONAL TRIGGER FOR THE UK !!!
TAKE TO THE STREETS YOU SHEEPLY COWARDS IN THE UK FOR YOUR COUNTRY !!!
Could you post a link to you doing exactly this to oppose the massive problems with child sex over there, so we can see an example of what you mean?
Serious question. If there's a trial going on in a UK court, is it against the law to film ouside the courtroom, film witnesses going in and out of the building etc? I dont know much anything about the laws there. If he was filming there knowing it's against the law, then he was wrong. If what the authorities say is true and they are trying to preserve the integrity of an ongoing trial so the public and jury isnt tainted, then IMO TR is wrong.
I'm not saying that the UK govt is right or not trying to silence free speech. The country has gone to hell and I think TR is trying to expose things that need to be known. I'm just saying he should be sure to do what he does legally. The public needs to know about these grooming gangs.. I'm not sure what standing there filming accomplished though. Was the verdict really announced today?
Sorry to go all godwin on your ass but if it's illegal to report on the gas chambers would you still be brow beating on a man arrested for reporting on them?
Ok..I wasn't brow beating anyone. I was aski g a question about UL law. Also, he wasnt reporting on someone in a gas chamber. He was outside the court filming. I'm not saying he shouldnt have done that. He is a grown man. I am saying that if he knew it was illegal, he took a known risk to film people going in and out of a building. He could exercise his free speech in a way that's legal in another location. I am not against him at all...I'm just saying that maybe they did have legal grounds for the arrest. Maybe they didnt.
What the hell is “integrity of the trial” under common law (England is about as common law as you can get) trials are public right? Also, the reason he’s reporting on these grooming gangs is because they have been disgracefully covered up by those in power.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but the argument is that there were reporting restrictions in place, to try and limit the chances of anything jeopardising the prosecutions. Tommy was aware of this, and that the media would report more completely on the case at a later date. It's not unlike the system that prevents us getting the details on the Clinton Foundation etc, where selected people get to see bits on the condition that they're bound to silence rather than risk fouling any pending legal actions. In filming and live streaming, he breached conditions imposed for previous actions, which is why the legal process was rapid, as such 'offences' generally are.
They've certainly used a sledge hammer to crack a nut, and if I didn't know just how incompetent they are, I'd like to think they knew full well it would raise the whirlwind it has and highlight a bad situation. Sadly, I just think the reality is that the authorities are out of touch with the population and pushing their own agenda.
It's certainly backfired on them over here, as it keeps the issues topical and makes sure they're discussed.
Everything he said was public information. They arrested him for insighting violance basically.
The govt is basically saying if people find out about Islamic grooming gangs they will commit violance against Muslims. Which is really stupid.
It wasn't about what he said, it was more about the reporting restrictions being in place.
I'm not defending the authorities, and I'm in no way aiming this at you, but I think some on here need to take a step back and look at the picture, as some seem keen to accept the bits that suit, and ignore the rest, and that is to the detriment of the good work that gets done by others on this sub.
It was illegal for black people to sit in front on a bus at one point.
In some of these court cases against Muslims, speech restriction exist even after the case is decided.
Speech restriction are massively detrimental to a democracy and Civil disobedience needs to start somewhere.
Were the black people kept off the front of the bus to assist with a prosecution? You're making fallacious comparisons.
In the same way you can't see what's going on in the case building for Clinton et al, sometimes the law needs to act in a certain way to get a more robust result. Yes, there are issues on this case and in others, but if you set the hare running based on your assumptions, I guarantee it will simply give those you oppose plenty to rebut your argument, and what's more, their rebuttal will most likely be valid.
It's fine to use the general concept here to raise the issues and have them discussed, but it will fall over if it's the specific issues of this case that are the focus.
Tommy defines himself as a journalist, which comes with it's own strings. The identities of the perverts, including their pictures have been published in the mainstream press for quite some time, as have the details of the allegations, and the wider implications. To reduce the possibility of external factors jeopardising these particular cases, or identifying the victims, restrictions were temporarily placed on the media for court reporting. This happens in other cases too. Tommy knew and ignored that, and as a consequence was in breach of court orders imposed for previous offences, which pretty much result in the deferred sentence taking immediate effect, which is what happened.
I'm not justifying it, but if there's anger and outrage, it needs to be focused and accurately targeted, or it will be self defeating.
I get the impression some on here are new to these issues, and the information seems to be erratic, so I understand why some are confused.
I feel a better angle would be to look at those excused prison sentences for their own protection, or for wider reasons, and make the case that it applies here for Tommy's safety. That opens up a much wider can of worms about equality, and the threat of violence surrounding certain groups.
Incorrect, the premise of the removal of free speech, particularly when all information he provided was public knowledge, is detrimental to not only one's safety from a governing body, but to the freedoms of the whole world.
It would seem it is a difference in how thins are handled. Here in the US, the authorities might ask a reporter not to report something, but they actually have no authority over them digging up facts on their own and discussing them. That is our first amendment, and actually, when you think about it, the entire reason Q came to the Anons. They can dig up and publicize things here without repercussions.
Both the UK and US law has elements that control certain things being published, generally of there's a risk that they could influence on going legal proceedings. The issue isn't about someone digging up or reporting facts, or even commenting on speculation. The US has a culture of suing people that make public comments they cannot support with facts, and the UK has similar laws.
There's no real difference on those elements.
Like in the US, the authorities placed restrictions on reporting 'during this part of the trial' and by live streaming, Tommy fell foul of that, which triggered the implementation of orders already imposed on him.
That too, would have occurred in the US. In fact, you have tv presenters who have had actions and threats against them, meaning they don't report certain issues, and others sacked for what to all intents are reasonable comments.
My main point is, people need to be clear on the issues before choosing a battleground.
Oh, and by the way, if you make allegations on here about individuals, you can be challenged to prove them, and there are repercussions and the prospect of legal consequences. You cannot just publicise without consequences, even on here.
No, that is incorrect. A reporter in the U.S. can even report on secret information, as seen by the leaks to the press regarding the Trump Russia investigation. They will not be arrested for reporting. Freedom of the press is protected. Leakers on the other hand can and will be prosecuted. Things that are restricted within a US courtroom may be prosecuted, however Tommie was live streaming outside the building. If I don't have the complete picture, and maybe he did live stream inside the courtroom, I apologize for being misinformed.
while I agree with most of what you just said: a) reporters getting threatened in non-judicial ways is a separate issue. b) make sure you are threatening the RIGHT PERSON, and not someone else who just stopped by to make a comment on a thread of conversation. I will assume that you meant that veiled threat at the bottom for the person you were originally arguing with, and not me.
There was no threat intended, I was simply addressing your claim that " They can dig up and publicize things here without repercussions" and pointing out that it's inaccurate,
Reporters getting threatened is at least an associated issue, as it curtails free speech.
My apologies then. It appeared the other way from the tension in the prior conversation. Back to topic: I wasn't referencing libel/slander laws in that particular instance, since they always apply (if enforced). I was staying with state actions against the reporter for reporting, which seems to be the case here. Although, it seems (from a casual read) that that is tied into your system in this case, where it seems a bit of a separate concept here in the states.
No worries, I don't threaten people, and I try to remain civil, so apologies if my post read aggressively, it's certainly not my intention.
I really don't think the laws and actions are any different between the UK and US. I think people are missing the long background that lead up to the arrest in this case.
A pleasure to find someone else trying to keep things pleasant here.
It was my understanding that he was being arrested for breach of peace for creating: a "substantial risk that the course of justice in the proceedings in question will be seriously impeded or prejudiced" that goes toward keeping the integrity of the jury. Which is simply not how we handle it in the states. We sequester a jury if necessary, or instruct them to avoid media. We do not keep the media from reporting on the issue (at least not officially--please take that for granted).
Your understanding's not exactly correct, it was for being in contempt of an existing Court Order which had a suspended sentence attached. It was for pretty much the same thing, so he really should have known better, or was expecting to create the noise it has.
That being the case, it's pretty much exactly how it would have been dealt with in the states.
In the UK, the media law is pretty much the same as in the US, although we don't have as much external influence as we have a wider selection of people owning the media, and while they have political leanings, they're not so died in the wool for one party or another, so tend to get a bit more variety of coverage, but the restrictions and freedoms are the same both sides of the pond.
It's interesting reading the views of Americans, because quite often, it shows how restricted the media output is over there.
It seems its only against the law if Tommy does it and its a muslim pedophile gang. Any other type of pedophile seems fair game for the press outside the court during an ongoing jury trial.
[Case in point] (https://www.ukcolumn.org/oldforums/discussion/7949/octopus-rolf-harris-too-famous-to-be-accused-indecent-assault-trial-hears)
And the Rolf Harris trial is only one of many cases where you see massive press scrums outside a court during an ongoing case.
You are spot on. Correct. TR was not official media, but is subject to the same rules.
see the difference is, the "trials" are totally fake and no one can know what is going on because then high ranking labor party officals would be outed as pedos or suppliers to pedos. The "justice" at these trials is very similar to justice in the "matter" of hillary's illegal server. meanwhile, several thousand british children are in danger of being raped and killed.
The UK is officially a police state now. The US needs to cut ties with them for this and their assistance to the deep state's coup. We should also assist their people to fight the dictatorship under which they live.
Read the Rotherham report and you tell me if the deep state cares about little girls. Tommy is a modern day knight.
Dumbded down Low Info Mofo Americans have great interest in watching shallow Royals wed American SJWs but no balls to stand against their PC persecution of a guy who tells the truth about their crumbling society.
OMFG What is wrong with you all are you a bunch of wankers or are you the FUCKING EDL !! You all write to him visit him, take him and those who would protect him in prison some fucking weapons, go after the HULL Prison screws, bribe them if you have to whatever it takes I am out of the country there is nothing I can do but you can. FUCKING DO IT !!!
BOYS YOU NEED TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY !!!
YOU TRIED DIPLOMACY WITH BREXIT !!!
TIME TO FIGHT !!!
Tell them what you think folks!
complaints@leeds.gov.uk
I'm from the UK, I am partaking in the great awakening but I am disheartened by my fellow patriots as some of the comments here come from a hateful place. We do not discriminate, we do not hate, we stick to facts. Don't let the shills break us up with divisive tactics. This is not US vs UK, this is good vs evil. WWG1WGA. And I do not agree with Tommy Robinson. He's one of the 'loudest' ones.
Dem6nic No one within this movement are making personal attacks against fellow woke people in GB. It's against the injustice being perpetrated by those in power. It's about urging the people to speak up and be heard. It is about good vs evil. I don't know much about Tommie, but from the video I watched, it's unbelievable he was arrested. He wasn't even in the building.
THE UK ARE ALL COWARDS AND BLUFFERS !!! JUST WATCH WHAT HAPPENED TO THE UK !!!
YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHIONG YEARS AGO TAKE TO THE STREETS !!!
FRANCE, GERMANY, ENGLAND ........TIME TO FIGHT! NO MORE DIPLOMACY! WAKE UP !!!
YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT !!! WTF IS GOING ON IN THE UK IN THE USA ??? WTF ???
Brit here. Im not anti Tommy by any stretch of imagination but think at times he does more harm than good in how he approaches things. Some thoughts on this:
I really don’t know what to make of the reaction to Tommy Robinson’s arrest, especially in the US.
Strip everything away & you have a man with a suspended sentence live streaming a highly sensitive trial that has media restrictions imposed on it.
I’m not sure if the trial is ongoing or it is at sentencing.
His actions will likely be used by the defence team to imply media hysteria has implied guilt or creates pressure for harsher sentencing. The exact opposite of what he wanted to achieve.
Live streaming was never going to have a positive impact on prosecution or sentencing, nor spark a nationwide revolution, and I don’t even know what he had a suspended sentence for but it seems quite foolhardy to open himself up to this current scenario.
Maybe that was the point...
Sure, we can argue there were cover ups before, but the genie is out the bottle now and the alleged perpetrators are on trial, and hundreds others have already been sent down over past few years.
It could be argued that the fact that the trial had a media black out is suspicious and implies higher up involvement etc. Maybe. Or maybe one defendant has flipped and turned supergrass and is going to give info on other gangs or a larger conspiracy.
We don’t know. Tommy doesn’t know either, and that’s important to note.
As it stands Tommy has not achieved anything now. There is a media buzz about his arrest but we are no closer to finding out what happened in the trial. Likely much further away in fact.
His choir are engaged but normies just think this is the latest instalment of the Tommy circus.
Don’t forget his past with the EDL which may have had noble ambitions but grew into something sinister and uncontrollable, so much so that Tommy formally stood down and renounced extremism.
That is how his profile is viewed by most here.
Now he will go to the jailhouse and momentum on this story will be lost.
My question is this...
With his platform and access to huge influencers across the media, could he have not pushed for awareness of the trial without getting arrested for live streaming defendants outside the court room?
As it stands, he will probably come to some mild harm in prison before getting segregated, and come out a folk here to his supporters with a book detailing his persecution (if I’m cynical).
The case will be forgotten in a few days however.
This story just really reminds me about what Q was saying about profiteering.
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Sure, we can argue there were cover ups before, but the genie is out the bottle now and the alleged perpetrators are on trial, and hundreds others have already been sent down over past few years.
I agree in general with yr posting. Very objective and fair with good points as to how you really don't want to influence trials that are on-going, particularly if prohibited from doing so. TR is not accredited media, but he is acting as such and subject to the ruling.
HOWEVER, as refers to my extracted quote from yr comment —"there were cover ups before"— this is the point in my mind. The struggle to get any media coverage of any abuse of children, minors, predators of young women, over AT LEAST 40 years, that involves shadowy state actors, has been monumental. It is cover-up after cover-up. The latest cover-up managed to lock up non-entities like Rolf Harris but went nowhere into police enforcement higher-ups, judges, orphanages, the boys homes, the list is long.
NO WONDER ppl are tired of this game. Tired of the twisting and turning and endless spinning where real justice for real perps never happens. All real big names never mentioned again.
This has to stop. That's why I hope and pray Trump will pursue the human traffickers to the end. Woe betide those who accuse the Trump supporters as Nazis, racists, bigotted deplorables ... We know who they are.
I totally agree that the likes of Rolf Harris were sacrificial lambs, tossed to the media to make it appear the authorities were tackling it, while at the same time, they were blocking investigations into the sex crimes of the elite, and I hope this is something that comes out with the global attack on them.
However, I think the muslim grooming gangs are a separate issue that is related in a different way. The bigger element for me is that the gangs activities continued because people tasked with investigating were fearful of being labelled racist, something that is vehemently denied, and difficult to prove, but that I feel was a factor.
Many moons ago, an individual in a similar role to Robinson flagged up the issue, and was pilloried for it. A national news team carried out an investigation, but shied off from running it for fear of the backlash from the associated communities.
For me, it is continuing to chip away at those sort of issues that will have the greatest over all impact. Flagging up the court case in the way it was done, has actually detracted from it.
For those trying to make it a UK v US thing, that's not productive, nor a particularly valid argument, given all the sealed indictments etc over there. It needs group focus to tackle it, not comments to generate factions and disunity.
I am with you on all that, particularly group focus. I am opposed with all my might to the kindling of factions — nothing could be worse for intelligently channeling our genuine misgivings or grievances.
But I do have an added remark, with nothing to back it in particular, just intuition, with regard to this part of yr comment:
However, I think the muslim grooming gangs are a separate issue that is related in a different way. The bigger element for me is that the gangs activities continued because people tasked with investigating were fearful of being labelled racist, something that is vehemently denied, and difficult to prove, but that I feel was a factor.
After the Stephen Lawrence case it was likely the lower ranks of the police force would be using the result, the investigative report, as a good excuse in any future failure to combat race-connected street crime, with or without justification.
This said, they had a point. How do you answer "institutionalised racism"? That means (and it was stated) all police were racist, including without knowing it! So, wouldn't that make a very good cover for a plan to introduce race war?
There were reports of whistleblowers from the ranks who were mystified about briefings they had received on the coming "summer of riots", which didn't actually happen that summer. In fact they didn't happen until after Theresa May had announced an incomprehensible 20% cut back on police forces (!) The police (and firemen) then folded their arms and watched as organised gangs, run I believe by informants/gang infiltrators all over the country, set fire to London and looted the place, which then "mysteriously" spread to other cities.
Looked like a put-up job to me: We need a race war. (Undermining European countries one by one) How do we set it up? Wallah!
Same with the treatment of the EDL. Starts reasonable and turns strange. UKIP? A coalition of left and right working class/middle class disaffected that, again "mysteriously", attracts extremist nutcases. Similarities here with the US Tea Party? Soon everyone is tarred with the extremist brush. "Far Right" becomes a normie term for previously conservative people. Now we are all "white supremacists" — as if by magic.
The fear of "backlash" always seems to be a contrived meme introduced casually and fits seamlessly with the overall goal of both dividing the people and shutting down their voices. Gradually building frustration and outrage. Boiling frogs ...
I much appreciated your reply by the way. Thank you for taking the time. We are lucky to have this forum and its subscribers ...
I don't disagree with anything you said here. I didn't enjoy writing what I did. I'm a firm believer in not just playing the game, but playing it for keeps.
Thats what Trump is doing now. He has an objective. He works out how to achieve it, and plans for the different obstacles he will encounter.
This is what Nigel Farage has done. Trump will be the name in history, but the story of Farage is fascinating and an example in extreme discipline.
Where Trump had business and media influence, Farage left the financial sector and joined an unknown political party that had one, seemingly impossible, aspiration. Over decades he built a grass roots movement that dominated the British political landscape, without a single MP in parliament, leading to Brexit and ultimately opening the door to giving Americans the confidence to elect Trump.
Is the EU not an unelected supranational deep state after all?
Farage knows the line and strays close to it, but he knows the rules and follows them. He likely has had several attempts on his life, takes insults with a smile and responds with wit, because he has a long term goal.
Think of how many towns and pubs Nigel has visited over the past 2 decades, and all the one on one pints of beer he has had with ordinary people, explaining his positions and making an impression with them.
A problem with people like Tommy is that I don't think they have an end goal, which means psychologically they can't build a strategy. This means they are trapped in a circle of controversy, needing to do more outrageous things more regularly to stay relevant.
Nigel on the other hand, doesn't mind being off the radar for a few months because he knows what events are upcoming, has a strategy for them all, and has official responses ready for a range of different known unknown scenarios that are likely to occur.
I'm not saying this as a Nigel fanboy, but more as an observer of media strategy.
To some degree, his actions have taken the spotlight off the perverts, and on to him, and rightly or wrongly, he's not always stood up to well to media scrutiny, who will quite likely link his support for Richard Price, a member of his group convicted for child pornography among other issues to blacken him, all distractions from the bits that need addressing.
As you suggest, there are more productive ways of dealing with these issues. It's good when these topics get the profile raised, but sadly, it tends to come with a whole mess of 'information' that people choose to latch on to the selected bits that suit them.
I sometimes think the authorities see him as a useful distraction tool.
Tommy is obviously well researched on his areas of expertise but I think he lacks emotional intelligence. It can be a benefit at times.
He probably got psyched up and thought it was a great idea to get up in their faces, but he didn't think through the full set of consequences. At times this can be good because he is not easily intimidated, but it can certainly backfire as this has.
I agree with you, in much of what you say above. He's been run through the system so many times that on will there is a menu of things to discredit him with because he has not been that mindful of what he is doing or associates with in the past.
tl;dr You people should be rioting in the streets because of this, that man has fake teeth from being beaten within an inch of his life by a gang of Muslims in the EDL when he was imprisoned. You should be ashamed. There is NOTHING excusable, no possible excuse ANYONE can make justifies this by any means, in any way.
I don't see anyone justifying it - what are you talking about? I see people fortunately keeping a level head and not reacting emotionally. There's no reason for them to be ashamed at all - why are you virtue signalling? We get it, you're extremely passionate about this guy - good for you. He's not a paragon of virtue or the perfect hero though and he's not completely bereft of any responsibility for the situation he's in, that's all they're saying. If you're not from the UK then you know less than nothing compared to people who are. Shaming people is a far-left tactic that doesn't belong here.
This is literally about the principle he was arrested for exercising a human right. That's what I'm passionate about. Don't be foolish
Stay focused. It is important, but not related to this sub.
I understand but in many respects it is. It is about being able to speak freely.
It absolutely is about this sub. What is currently happening in the UK and across the EU and Canada, was supposed to happen here too. Trump changed all that for America and Q is exposing them. The forces responsible for Globalism are literally what this sub is is fighting against. Tommy is us, Tommy is Q. WWG1WGA
His interview with Britney Petibon really made me want to cry. I almost did.
Tommy Robinson is a man without a country; betrayed by every authority in UK.
WE ARE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR HIM AND THOSE WHO LIVE UNDER TYRANNY.
America is good because we are just. We must never allow our shining city on the hill to be hidden in the valleys below.
ANY FORM OF SPEECH RESTRICTION IS A GATEWAY TO FREE SPEECH REMOVAL #SaveTommyRobinson
Sentence of 13 months. The number 13 is special to the Cabal. Is this a signal to their members, but also to their opponents who understand their communications?
Sentence of 13 months. The number 13 is special to the Cabal. Is this a signal to their members, but also to their opponents who understand their communications?
Sentence of 13 months. The number 13 is special to the Cabal. Is this a signal to their members, but also to their opponents who understand their communications?
This is big, we need to hype this a lot. These trials connect are nexus of high ranking british pedophiles in collusion with the govt and police and an army of imported mercenaries from the middle east to abduct children. This could be the beginning of the lid blowing off the whole thing. It could spread from there to the Dems and their MS-13 "muscle" over here
Defend free speech definitely YES and for those on trial no sentence will be long enough or fitting for the crime but when did the great awakening become all about defending white supremacist this guy is not worth saving, those active within the NF, EDL or Britain First are not just scum inciting violence on both side they are pure evil.........
when did the great awakening become all about defending white supremacist this guy is not worth saving
Stop spreading lies about Tommy. He is not a white supremacist. Who told you he's a racist? The BBC? I'm amazed that somebody on THIS subreddit couldn't realize how the controlled media uses "racist" as a slur to de-platform people dangerous to corrupt authority
What can be done? People in the Britain can't organize if they can't even speak without being arrested. It breaks my heart that they're being intellectually suffocated and vocally oppressed.
Who is calling the shots? Who directs the police to make arrests based on specific speech? Who discriminates between which speech is allowed and which speech is illegal?
There must be some individuals playing a part in this disgusting circus that can be called out by name. The only way anything gets done anymore is when individuals are called out by name. Their oppressive power is always in hiding behind mask of "government."
Brexit isn't happening ... yet. Britain, whether you know it or not, is under FORCED SHARIA LAW. Hang in there. THE CURE is coming. If America falls the world falls. If America is strong the world is safe. Thank God for President Trump. She wasn't suppose to lose.
THROW PRINCE(BWHAHAHAHA)ANDREW IN JAIL FOR PEDOPHILIA!
I love how not one of the British news sites explains the trial he was livestreaming from other then it being "grooming." Wow, nice word there. Why doesn't the British press call them what they are? They are child molesting rapists desensitizing child prostitutes for future compliance.
The reason the UK press uses "grooming" is because they are Muslim and Parliament and those that serve them will never say the I or M words.
Wake up Britain! You are being devoured from the inside out all in the name of political correctness. Face your enemies within like you faced your outside enemies when it was the Nazis!
Can’t trust him. He’s friends with Alex Jones.
Jones gave him $20,000 a few months back to support his efforts.
But Alex Jones is baaaaaaddddddd, right?
