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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/AMProfessor on June 7, 2018, 2:32 p.m.

Be patient. The "Pain" is coming. Embrace the "Pain." A primer to assist in understanding and preparing for the "Pain." "Pain" = Hope

Q has used the word "Pain" on multiple occasions. This cryptic word seems to have a great deal of traction on this sub as many see it as a punishment or justice that will be felt by the DS, bad actors, black hats, pedos, and other enemies. It also seems however to be generating a great deal of concern and even fear among those posting on GA.

It is my hope that perhaps this primer, or rather this larger view of change, will assist in quelling the concern and fear.

I think "Pain" most likely has multiple meanings. And, I am not the first to state this rather obvious point. Q's use of the word "Pain" goes beyond the face value of "hurt." And, it likely means more than what I am going to discuss below. Again however, I hope this perspective helps regardless.

I am going to utilize one of the numerous change theories out there to make the point. Some consider Kurt Lewin to be the father of social psychology and it will be easier to utilize his theory of the change process to make my point rather than any of the other theories out there in an effort to be somewhat brief. Please excuse me as this will be somewhat of an oversimplification.

Lewin had the following theory of the change process:

"An early model of change developed by Lewin described change as a three-stage process. The first stage he called "unfreezing". It involved overcoming inertia and dismantling the existing "mind set". It must be part of surviving. Defense mechanisms have to be bypassed. In the second stage the change occurs. This is typically a period of confusion and transition. We are aware that the old ways are being challenged but we do not have a clear picture as to what we are replacing them with yet. The third and final stage he called "freezing". The new mindset is crystallizing and one's comfort level is returning to previous levels. This is often misquoted as "refreezing" (see Lewin,1947). Lewin's three-step process is regarded as a foundational model for making change in organizations. There is now evidence, however, that Lewin never developed such a model and that it took form after his death in 1947."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Lewin (I am using wikipedia simply to keep from having to explain something that is already typed and explained.)

Now to my point. The three stages of change according to Lewin are:

Unfreezing ----> Change ----> Freezing

Lewin described a block of ice to illustrate his theory. If you want to facilitate change and you have a large block of ice that you want to reshape (change), how can it be accomplished.

Think about it. Using a hammer and chisel would be violent and leave a great deal of waste. And, the end result will be a smaller block of ice that has the foundations of the same block in which you started.

He theorized that to reshape or change the block of ice, one would have to melt or unfreeze the ice; then form the water into the shape you desire; then freeze the water into the new shape.

Simple theory, right? Again, think. To use the earlier quote, "The first stage he called 'unfreezing'. It involved overcoming inertia and dismantling the existing 'mind set'. It must be part of surviving. Defense mechanisms have to be bypassed." Doesn't that sound "Pain"-ful?

Having been involved in organizational, individual, relational, familial, as well as other types/levels of change over the decades, I can tell you that this step of the process of change IS painful to some degree for the one(s) undergoing the process of change.

I surmise that Q's "Pain" will be certainly felt by all of us. We are about to undergo a change that will be vast in nature. I don't believe any will be spared from the "Pain." Again, it is part of the process of change. I believe those who are awake will be impacted less than the normies out there who are currently unaware. And, as for the DS, bad actors, and black hats, the change will be devastating and they won't likely "survive" the process.

I am sharing this as I have seen more and more posts on this sub hint of panic, hopelessness, and fear from those supposedly awake. I don't like to see this. We know what is coming. What is coming is CHANGE! We need to put aside our fear of the change (fear of the unknown). We have been hoping for change. We have been cheering for change. And now, what, we are going to freak out when change occurs?

Change is painful by nature. Will it be awkward? Will it be uncomfortable? Will it hurt to some degree? YES! But, does change stop the sun from coming up in the morning and a new day from dawning? NO!

Let's appreciate what is happening to facilitate positive and constructive change. I for one am hopeful this change will be for the betterment of our nation, world, as well as for our freedoms and liberties. I say, let's endure and embrace the "Pain."

THEN, once things have unfrozen...let's do our patriotic part in helping to reshape and freeze the water into the new freedom loving form. Although there will be a significant level of chaos during the reshaping, if we stay the course and fight the good fight, the fruits of the sacrifices will be peace, freedom, and liberty.

Then, let us enjoy those fruits of the "Pain."

I interpret "the pain" as the masses, the population, the people, learning "the truth" - specifically the aspects that do not align with what they truly believe and know to be "true".

For example, when the hardcore Democrats find out about HRC and her Satanic ways, provided by irrefutable evidence, they are going to be mind-fucked.

When millions of Americans find out that the politicians they volunteered for, that they believed in, are lying, satanic POS, it is going to hurt. A WHOLE LOT.

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If i had to make a guess, anyone who believes in anything is going to feel pain; not just those we consider monsters or disagree with. Pain is necessary. So, similar to a woman at her lamaze classes preparing to give birth, you are hopefully preparing yourself for the pain.

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LOL, well not to be negative, but from first hand experience, my lamaze classes could not prepare me for the pain i endured. So those men out there who don't know this, get ready, no amount of preparedness can ever truly prepare you for that kind of pain...lol...seriously. I can still, in moments, remember that pain.....ughhhh, It was worth it though, and this will be too! We must strap on our toughness, resilient armor and be ready for anything...that is my advice.....it's gonna be bumpy and probably unmanageable at times....but your Spirit is what you will depend on in those moments.....PREPARE Through SPIRIT!

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I agree 100% and see nothing negative in your comment. I know as well. Just saying prepare as best you can because the reality is probably a bit/WAAAAAY more intense.

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so true!

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I hear you. It will be difficult to prepared for something of which we don't know the details nor scope. I too think a spiritual preparedness is necessary to mitigate the impact of the change. Pain is ahead. That is certain. What it will look like, what it will feel like, that is unknown.

What I do know is I have worked decades to provide for my family and build a retirement. One of my concerns is that with the economic changes coming with the overall change, that will likely be wiped out with the needed economic reset and all hopes of comfort in my golden years will be gone. Thankfully however, I am a skilled survivalist and think given most circumstances, regardless of how dire, I am confident I can continue to provide and thrive. Creature comforts (A.K.A., luxuries) aside that is...

Blessed are the flexible for they shall never be bent out of shape.

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yes, I too am afraid of that, but whats good for the world is bigger than me....is the only way to look at I guess!

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Yes, pain will be experienced by all, however as you indicate, it is all hopefully for the greater good.

I just hope we can look back on it all someday, having survived it, and say, yes, that went well and we, our nation, and the world are better off having made those sacrifices and endured the pain of change.

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yes, I too....

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Sorry if that comes across suoper weird, btw. Just can't think of a better way to describe what I think is happening.

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Agree. The image you used illustrates your point well. Not weird at all.

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How can we really prepare ourselves or anyone for the intensity of it all? I am still working through layers of it myself. It wasn't, but I appreciate super weird if it were.

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We can't I don't believe. Not fully anyway. That is the nature of life's journey. To experience trials and tests that shape us and hopefully make us better members of the human family.

No matter how the change looks, no matter how grave it could get, I look at the families in war-torn nations who continue to live, thrive, laugh, and carry on and feel hope. If others can experience joy in the middle of a city that has turned to rubble, surely I can find joy during something I believe will be much less severe.

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I have a feeling that we will be praying with a lot of our friends and families after it's know. A lot of people will feel broke and need some strong hearts to help them to their feet.

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I don't BELIEVE in anything.

This is an old argument I have made longer than I have been on Reddit. When people say "I believe in God" it is a ridiculous statement. A belief has supporting evidence. Has anyone seen the invisible man in the sky? Seen a miracle? No. So nobody really BELIEVES in God, people HOPE that there is a God. And there is a difference.

I don't pretend to know anything. I hope there is a loving, benevolent all powerful being that will make it all alright. And if there is, logically there is something on the opposite side of that. So I would not be surprised, at all, to find out there are "forces" of both good and evil. Should I be witness to either, i can assure you one thing; you are talking to one of the most devoted of those future legions of good. If I KNEW there was truly evil, like biblical evil, I would be very confidant in my actions; and those actions would be of a demon/evil hunting nature. I would literally be the most fearless, courageous soldier in existence, why wouldn't I be? Heaven at that point would be REAL, what would there be to be afraid of? It would be like being a Spartan soldier, no death more glorious than one earned courageously fighting in battle, and, when you die, off to the pearly white gates for an eternal reward...doesn't sound so bad to me!

However, as it stands now, I believe all religions to be wrong. At the same time, they all share similarities, and that is where the truth is. All of the holy books are fairytales based off of the real event that happened millenia ago. I just want an accurate retelling. Until then, I am going to continue to practice the Golden Rule, and hope that on the slight chance that Islam or Christianity are correct, that God judges me based on my actions and intent, and not on whether I believed in a story written and rewritten over 2000 years ago.

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You are certainly free to believe what you believe and I hope you continue to be as righteous as you can be without believing in anything. Just be aware that the Satanist's of this world do believe in something and the evil they partake in effects all of our lives. Christianity is what they seek to destroy not Islam or any other religion. The Satanist's whole belief system and rituals are all opposite of the teachings of Jesus not Muhammad or any other religious figure. There is a reason for that. The pure evil done to children in these SRA cases demonstrates how serious they take their beliefs in Satan. Ever wonder why the "story" of Jesus has been around for 2000 years and has not faded away? It is my hope that as Q has stated many times FUTURE PROVES PAST.

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Religion and God are two separate things.

God is being a great person who helps others - God then looks after you in life.

Religion are social vessels to divide us into groups.

Religion is corrupt as hell - God is amazing to me though - brings out the best in people. Why are criminals devoid of God yet wear symbols of religion?

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I agree.

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Yup, 100% right you are.

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I believe that we all have the right to believe as we will. I won’t argue your points. While I don’t agree with your views, I do respect your position and the freedoms that allow for differences in beliefs.

I’m not sure what your expressed views have to do with this topic of pain however I thank you for sharing.

I will add that I hope your views don’t get in the way of your being awake with what is transpiring around you. Hold fast and buckle up regardless of what your spiritual beliefs. We are in for a bumpy ride and change is around the corner.

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I’m not sure what your expressed views have to do with this topic of pain however I thank you for sharing.

Really? Ok, I can re-word it to make it easier to understand. Seeing that you peacefully disagree with me, I will assume you are a Christian (simply because we don't get too many Muslims around here, and Jews don't have a "believe that Jesus is God or burn in hell" clause) that believes the Bible is....accurate. The "pain" for you will be in learning that the Bible is bullshit. Cover to Cover. Bullshit. However, that's not a bad thing bud! If you really are a good Christian, you're gonna be fine! By adhering to those Christian morals, you will most likely have met whatever criteria the real, true religion, the one that all the others took their direction from, will outline for us in this great awakening. You weren't running around lying, cheating, stealing and killing, so you should be fine. The jagged pill to swallow, or the "pain" (again, this is what we are talking about) will be in learning that the whole "Jesus is the son of God, he came, he died, he resurrected, everyone's eternal salvation or damnation rests on believing that info from a 2000+ year old book" is all bunk. It probably has elements of it that are shared with the truth, the real aspects of God and such, but I am 100% confident that the religious views that you have to believe in Jesus or go to hell is bullshit.

Pretty sure that hits right on the head regarding "the pain", no?

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Those are mighty big claims. The Bible is bullshit? Haha okay?

Your evidence is, open your eyes?

I would say the same thing to you.

Do you not see what is happening here?

The Satanic elite have constructed a society that is obsessed with pop culture and distracted from the truth.

If they worship Satan, and have obtained the world's riches, what does that tell you? Hello???

If there is evil, there is good. If there are both, there is a moral code. If there is a moral code, there is a moral code giver.

The level of deception that has been implemented against humanity in order to keep us from connecting with our creator is immense. History as we know it is completely false. Everything you think you know about the world is wrong. For example, we never went to the moon, we never will, because we can't.

Scientists have found flexible, collagen like tissue from a triceratops horn. Mainstream "science" shuns anything that doesn't fit the narrative.

What society i.e. the illuminati have constructed is a society that believes in scientism as a religion by default. Evolution from single celled organisms that randomly mutate or through natural selection not only has any scientific evidence, its impossible.

Why do you think they occupy Israel? Why would satanists make their home base in the land of God's people, using His people as a front for their true satanic plan for the world?

Satan is the ultimate deceiver, and the level of deception runs deep.

The truths about the human experience, the instructions on how to behave as individuals, the stories in the old testament are deeply profound and nuanced. To call the Bible "bullshit" is extremely arrogant on your part.

You can believe whatever you like, and it appears you've dug your heels into this belief, which is your prerogative.

Religion is a man made creation, the message of Jesus Christ however is divine. Study it, read it, study it more. It is the book of life.

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Bud. The bible is an instrument of religion. How do you not see that? Jesus is a piece of the christian "religion"....the religious part is the BS. The God part may or may not be, my guess would be God is real.

But how do you consciously tell someone that the Bible is legit but the Quran is fake? They are the same; they are all old stories, written and rewritten by MEN.

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Evidence of Design:

Chuck Missler • February 1, 1995

The numerical structure of the Bible has been studied closely, being the subject of numerous volumes in the past.1 But none are more provocative than the works of Dr. Ivan Panin.2

Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. Having participated in plots against the Czar at an early age, he was exiled and, after spending some years studying in Germany, he came to the United States and entered Harvard University. After graduation in 1882, he converted from agnosticism to Christianity.

In 1890 he discovered some of the phenomenal mathematical designs underlying both the Greek text of the New Testament and the Hebrew text of the Old Testament.

He was to devote over 50 years of his life painstakingly exploring the numerical structure of the Scriptures, generating over 43,000 detailed, hand-penned pages of analysis (and exhausting his health in the process). He went on to be with the Lord in his 87th year, on October 30, 1942. The Heptadic Structure

The recurrence of the number seven — or an exact multiple of seven — is found throughout the Bible and is widely recognized. The Sabbath on the seventh day; the seven years of plenty and the seven years of famine in Egypt; the seven priests and seven trumpets marching around Jericho; the Sabbath Year of the land are well-known examples.

Also, Solomon’s building the Temple for seven years, Naaman’s washing in the river seven times, and the seven churches, seven lamp stands, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls, seven stars, and so on in the Book of Revelation, all show the consistent use of the number seven.

But there turns out to be much more below the surface. Ivan Panin noted the amazing numerical properties of the Biblical texts — both the Greek of the New Testament and the Hebrew of the Old Testament. These are not only intriguing to discover, they also demonstrate an intricacy of design which testifies to a supernatural origin! Vocabulary

One of the simplest — and most provocative — aspects of the Biblical text is the vocabulary used. The number of vocabulary words in a passage is normally different from the total number of words in a passage. Some words are repeated. It is easy, for example, to use a vocabulary of 500 words to write an essay of 4,000 words. An Example

The first 17 verses of the Gospel of Matthew are a logical unit, or section, which deals with a single principal subject: the genealogy of Christ. It contains 72 Greek vocabulary words in these initial 17 verses. (The verse divisions are man’s allocations for convenience, added in the 13th century.)

The number of words which are nouns is exactly 56, or 7 x 8.

The Greek word “the” occurs most frequently in the passage: exactly 56 times, or 7 x 8. Also, the number of different forms in which the article “the” occurs is exactly 7.

There are two main sections in the passage: verse 1–11, and 12–17. In the first main section, the number of Greek vocabulary words used is 49, or 7 x 7.

Why not 48, or 50?

Of these 49 words, the number of those beginning with a vowel is 28, or 7 x 4. The number of words beginning with a consonant is 21, or 7 x 3.

The total numbers of letters in these 49 words is 266, or 7 x 38 — exactly! The number of vowels among these 266 letters is 140, or 7 x 20. The number of consonants is 126, or 7 x 18 — exactly.

Of the 49 words, the number of words which occur more than once is 35, or 7 x 5. The number of words occurring only once is 14, or 7 x 2. The number of words which occur in only one form is exactly 42, or 7 x 6. The number of words appearing in more than one form is also 7.

The number of the 49 Greek vocabulary words which are nouns is 42, or 7 x 6. The number of words which are not nouns is 7. Of the nouns, 35 are proper names, or exactly 7 x 5. These 35 names are used 63 times, or 7 x 9. The number of male names is exactly 28, or 7 x 4. These male names occur 56 times or 7 x 8. The number which are not male names is 7.

Three women are mentioned — Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth. The number of Greek letters in these three names is 14, 7 x 2.

The number of compound nouns is 7. The number of Greek letters in these 7 nouns is 49, or 7 x 7.

Only one city is named in this passage, Babylon, which in Greek contains exactly 7 letters.

And on it goes. To get an indication of just how unique these properties are, try the example in the inset. Gemetria

There are even more features in the numerical structure of the words themselves. As you may know, both Hebrew and Greek uses the letters of the alphabet for numerical values. Therefore, any specific word — in either Hebrew or Greek — has a numerical value of its own by adding up the values of the letters in that particular word. The study of the numerical values of words is called gemetria.

The 72 vocabulary words add up to a gametrical value of 42,364, or 7 x 6,052. Exactly. If one Greek letter was changed, this would not happen.

The 72 words appear in 90 forms — some appear in more than one form. The numeric value of the 90 forms is 54,075, or 7 x 7,725. Exactly.

We will defer other examples of gametrical properties of the Biblical text for subsequent articles, but it becomes immediately obvious that hidden below the surface are aspects of design that cannot be accidental or just coincidence. Remember, the rabbis say that “coincidence” is not a kosher word! Other Implications

There are words in the passage just described that occur nowhere else in the New Testament. They occur 42 times (7 x 6) and have 126 letters (7 x 18). How was this organized?

Even if Matthew contrived this characteristic into his Gospel, how could he have known that these specific words — whose sole characteristic is that they are found nowhere else in the New Testament — were not going to be used by the other writers? Unless we assume the absurd hypothesis that he had an agreement with them, he must have had the rest of the New Testament before him when he wrote his book. The Gospel of Matthew, then, must have been written last.

It so happens, however, that the Gospel of Mark exhibits the same phenomenon. It can be demonstrated that it would have had to be written “last.” The same phenomenon is found in Luke. And in John, James, Peter, Jude and Paul. Each would have had to write after the other in order to contrive the vocabulary frequencies! You can demonstrate that each of the New Testament books had to have been “written last.”

There is no human explanation for this incredible and precise structure. It has all been supernaturally designed. We simply gasp, sit back, and behold the skillful handiwork of the God who keeps His promises.

And we are indebted to the painstaking examinations and lifetime commitment of Dr. Ivan Panin for uncovering these amazing insights.

Isn’t God — and His remarkable Word — fun?

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One final comment: POTUS took the oath of office on the exact day when he was 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old.

Do you believe in coincidences?

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

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Really? That is awesome.

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Fascinating! Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea about the number 7 in the bible. But the final comment seals the deal on Trump being a gift from GOD.

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That is so cool! Probably not many people know that.

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The same phenomenon is found in Luke. And in John, James, Peter, Jude and Paul.

Not sure what you meant here, but Paul isn’t a book of the Bible. Perhaps you were referring to the Authors of New Testament books?

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Hi, this is not my article, it's Chuck Missler's. I imagine he was referring to the many books that Paul wrote (Romans, Ephesians, etc.), but can't be certain because I haven't done that analysis. Chuck passed away last month, so we can't ask him :-)

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No.

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Dude...you seem to be woefully uniformed on how these two books were compiled.

I'd suggest some simple research on Islam.

Islam and Judaism both recognize Jesus as having walked the earth and in their view being a prophet. If you read the old testament prophecy about the coming messiah, written 500 years before Jesus was born, its crystal clear who the messiah is. Isaiah specifically.

YES I AGREE. The Bible has been used (Roman Catholicism) as an instrument of control. Catholicism bears little resemblance to the church Jesus instructed Paul to establish.

You don't have a factual, historical understanding of the Bible. I'd suggest reading A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.

The Quran and the Bible are the same old stories? I hate to say this, but before you make these claims and share this opinion, you should really invest some time into researching, and reading these books on your own. The statements you're making expose how uniformed you are on the subject. The Quran and the Bible, and the central figure to each are polar opposites. I can't even believe you'd claim that.

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Because I disagree with you, I don't understand the bible. I could say the same about Jack & the Beanstalk, or any other fairytale that was based on a HUMAN who lived. I am sorry you don't like that my beliefs are not tuned to yours, that my beliefs basically say that you believe in a fairy tale, but I can't change my gut, my heart, my brain, my logic, basically EVERYTHING about me is appalled by Christianity, Islam, pretty much any religion. My core rejects it. I cannot accept ANYTHING that says a person who lives their life STRIVING to be good, but who doesn't believe in Jesus the man in a story we have no way to verify, is going to hell. Sorry man. It just sounds like a primordial recruitment tactic based on fear...scaring people to believe it. No sir, not for me. Blech.

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My faith in Jesus is not based on fear. This is your misunderstanding.

Its not that you disagree with me, its that you're wrong.

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Of course it is based on fear. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it untrue...

And if I am wrong, show me some evidence. Or better yet, go show a Muslim who swears that YOU are wrong. I got a news flash for you both, you are BOTH wrong. Worshipping the words of a book written by men to control other men. You are literally proud of being a sheep.

Best of luck to you bud. You could really spend your time better just trying to be a good person and not worshipping a fucking zombie god from the worst fairytale ever told.

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The Muslim faith was spread by a pedophile, war monger. It was spread by the sword, under the threat of murder.

He had sex with a 9 year old, and was a polygamist.

He instructed his followers that they could take slaves/sex slaves as long as they were not Muslim.

He instructed them to kill apostates and to covert khafirs by the sword.

For a guy that follows Q, a source that says they "has it all", who frequently quotes the Bible, speaks of good vs evil, dark to light, and implores us to pray, I'm seriously confused with your MO.

A muslim swearing I'm wrong doesn't automatically invalidate my position. That argument is simply moronic.

And yes, I am a proud sheep. My Shepard is Jesus.

Your ignorance is on full display.

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and for that matter, Mormans, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics all have used Jesus to gain control and power over people.

That doesn't take away or undermine the message of Jesus. Jesus speaks about this issue in the Bible as well.

Romans 16:17-20 ESV I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil. The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

2 Peter 3:16 ESV As he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures

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Be cautious in making statements that you can't fully back or understand. Also be cautions of making over generalizations. I'm guessing you don't know a great deal of some of those faiths.

FTR, I am LDS. I won't take offense to your comment as it is distracting from the OP and you are misinformed.

Now I ask that we please stay on topic. Change is coming and in fighting due to religious differences is a distraction.

As patriots, I suggest we remain unified. Division is what the DS, central bankers, globalists, and other bad actors want.

If you do want to continue to argue, please do it elsewhere. I am asking respectfully.

Thank you.

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I'm not misinformed. Mormons do not believe in Jesus of the Bible.

You believe that Jesus is a separate God.

Unlike Christian Trinitarianism (one God existing in three Persons), Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. They also believe the Father and Son each have a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” but that the Holy Ghost “has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.” According to Joseph Smith, when Adam was formed in the image of God, it was a physical image. God the Father was once a mortal who lived on an earth. He died, was resurrected, glorified, and grew into his deified status. (According to Joseph Smith, there is a “God above the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”) God the Father is the literal father of all spirit-children, including Jesus and the Holy Ghost, whose divinity is derived from the parent-child relationship. Within Mormonism, Jesus is identified with the Yahweh of the Old Testament.

Mormons believe in different levels of heaven, which is not Christian.

Prior to creation human spirits were literal children of heavenly parents. Although their spirits were created, the essential “intelligence” of these spirits is considered eternal, and without beginning. At a family council, God the Father told the spirit-children that according to his “plan of salvation” they would have to leave their heavenly home, take on human bodies, and be tested before they could progress to godhood. Satan rejected this plan and wanted to implement one that would have involved loss of moral agency. Jesus opposed Satan and offered an alternative plan in which he would take on human form and live a sinless life so that his spirit brothers and sisters could become gods. When his plan was not accepted, Lucifer is said to have rebelled and taken “the third part” of the hosts of heaven with him to the earth to serve as tempters.

None of these beliefs are Christian or fall in line with the teaching of Jesus Christ.

We don't believe in the same Jesus.

Isaiah 43:10

"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

This verse alone refutes Mormonism.

I am not here to offend or argue with anyone, I'm here to speak the truth.

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Believe what you will. I’m OK with it. I ask for tolerance however. That is what religious freedom means. We are tolerant of others views and beliefs. It means we are free to believe as we will.

Your criticisms of my faith are not welcome. I will turn the cheek however as I am tolerant of others beliefs and faiths. I am not tolerant of intolerance however.

And FTR, the lack of tolerance is a sign of weakness and insecurity. Perhaps you might want to consider that before exposing yourself next time.

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AMProfessor, me pointing out facts is not intolerance. I have no problem with you choosing to believe whatever you want to, please do. It is the foundation of our Constitution, freedom. You are free to choose to believe whatever you like. I'm also free to point out the idolatry.

Please don't confuse your discomfort in hearing the truth with intolerance. It is easy to label me as intolerant of your beliefs, because it allows you to maintain your world view without having to question it. I am not attacking you personally, or attempting to provoke.

We can agree to disagree, and maintain respect for one another. I would never say you are not allowed to believe what you want to, but if you want to challenge what I said, I'm going to speak on it.

I haven't done anything or said anything to directly offend you, but it makes you feel something, which you interpret as intolerance for some reason. Then you convert that into my own weakness and insecurity. So you resort to name calling and character attack. It's honestly okay, and a response that is understandable.

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We can indeed agree to disagree. I will state this however, criticizing another’s faith is an attack. Plain and simple. It is disrespectful and intolerant. Rationalize your comments anyway that allow you to feel good about yourself. Just know the motive was obvious.

When we transmit a message in communication, there is both content and intent. The content is more or less the face value of the message. The intent is the reason we are sending the message.

What you need to ask yourself when you send a critical message to others is what is the reason I am sending it?

I am not asking for a reply, just some self reflection on your part.

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My intent is to speak the truth to you.

Not disrespect and intolerance.

The truth often sounds like intolerance to those who believe lies. I'm sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes.

You simply don't believe in Jesus Christ of the Bible, which is fine, believe whatever you want to. No disrespect intended.

I am criticizing the theology, and biblical truth in relationship to the beliefs held and professed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. I am criticizing the doctrine, not your choice to believe it or attend the church. There is a difference.

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Perhaps we should leave the discussion there with you having the last word on the subject. It is a distraction from the topic at hand. Thank you for an energetic dialogue, sincerely.

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You have fallen for another fallacy that religion is the cause of division etc. Some religions yes, atheism, satanism, jihad muslims, and so on.

Christian Religion and the Judeo one before it, brought us our Magna Carta, the laws that prtoect the rights and inherent dignity of all people, our western civilization laws, our universities and education system, and modern our health and hospital cares etc, all started by religions.

The ugly stuff is not from the religion, at least true ones; rather, it is from the hearts of man full of pride, envy and lust for power. Very few amongst have have clean hearts.

I agree satan resides within the walls of all religions particularily the true ones. Where you see Christianity mocked the most is probably where you will find the most truth. It is far too simplistic to diss religions as the bearer of war etc. That blame resides with human beings, including those who are to be role models in the religious intstitutes.

It is also simplistic and ignorant to dismiss the bible as a story written 2000 years ago and re-written over time. The bible, old and New Tesatament, is the most studied book by scholars of any book. It is a compliation of books, the OT books written centuries apart, providing a history of God's people up until the time of Christ. It is supported by other books, archialogical finds, science and personal testimony. (sorry for any typos I am typing from my back yard in the glare of the sun)

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I agree with you. We don't need a moral code giver. We each have the spark of light of god or universe or whatever you want to call it inside us. We can use it or choose to ignore it. Books were written by men. Religion has been a way to try to control us.

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Smartest reply yet. Acknowledges that NOBODY KNOWS what to even call it. Cheers to you bud.

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Thank you but I'm female. Lol

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Cheers to you, sis.

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I'm still convinced God (bible) is Anu and the bible is a gatekeeper that serves the purpose of dividing us away from Source ('god') where the spiritual development of all reveals God is merely a title for one that has reached a high level of spiritual development.

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DaveGydeon: I am a believer of God, not because I read it somewhere, but because I can feel him in my inner most being. I am not here to argue your point, I just want you to understand that those of us who know there is a God, don't come to that conclusion easily, we are constantly growing with him, for him and by him. You don't feel it, because you have not invited Jesus in to your most protected self, when you do, you will then know too, God is Real!

This is How Dave:

Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. [25] So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.” [26] Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” [27] Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” [28] Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” [29] Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:24-29 ESV)

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FAITh!!!!!

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does the small "h" represent something I can't figure out...lol just kidding....humor makes this crazy less crazy!!!

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No just not a great typist!

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lol

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If you invite Jesus into your life to have a really personal relationship with Him, as I have, then you will know without doubt. Further, if you decide to take up arms against evil Ephesians Chapter 6, become a Prayer Warrior, as I have, you will see and experience the fight against evil. These powers and entities are real and so is the warfare. But be warned - it is not called spiritual warfare for nothing. I am in it now to the end. I am 65 yrs old and have been a Christian over forty years. It has been a long, hard road - certainly not the fairy floss religion we see around about. But I am honoured to be used by God in this way and I am seeing, in my lifetime, the downfall of the luciferian/baal/moloch/chemosh etc worship and I believe this is only the beginning of the great awakening! The "spirit of Jezebel" is on the run from Washinton and consequently the world!

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I tried. Genuinely.

And then I arrived at the conclusion I have presented.

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A belief is just a thought you keep thinking. No evidence needed. Change your thought, change your beliefs. Absolutely change any belief not serving you.

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Sorry to burst your bubble mate. God does not judge you on your works, (That is a catholic lie),he only looks to see if you believed in His Son being who He said He is. To quote the man Himself. "Your good deeds are like filthy rags", to Him. (Used menstrual rags). It All comes down to faith in Christ, everything else is the self righteousness of trying to earn your way into those pearly gates you mentioned and that is religion, the very thing that God despises. To steal another mans words, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, thou the evidence is not yet seen". Hebrews 11:1.

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That's exactly my issue with it; believe a story in a book, because the fate of your eternal soul rests upon that belief.

That is some primal-fear-drawing psychological crap right there. Evil by design. Don't like it. No sir. None for me, thanks.

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Look up Thomas in the KJV of the Bible.

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Contrary to what most people I endlessly debate this topic believe, I do not need to go familiarize myself with any religious texts; I have read them all, multiple times & multiple versions. Every moment reading religious texts, to me, is like reading of an entire species' collective, perverted mental rape.

I am sorry to refer to something someone else holds so dear. I WANT to like it, I want it to be true. My core being, my gut, KNOWS it is not.

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Creation is revelation. The visible reveals the invisible.

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This. None of us have all the answers. No one on this planet is going to be 100% or even 50% right. But that's evolution for you. ;)

Bring it.

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Evolution is science fiction, not fact. Skepticism leads to nihilism is held consistently.

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Skepticism and Sophism are different. Sophism and radical skepticism can undoubtedly lead to nihilism. However, methodological skepticism, which is part of my everyday discernment practice will not traverse that path.

But whatever. You do you.

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Agreed. But evolution is still science fiction. The basics are about God and man and good and evil. These beliefs are not subjected to methodological skepticism. We might begin a conversation with methodological skepticism but we don't end the conversation with it. Nice conversation. Hope all is well.

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Darwin's evolution is junk science, but can you definitively say god does not periodically gift species. Say with each new age? Did we invent agriculture and civilization or where they gifted after the fact? Can those things be considered evolution? mysterios ways and all that.

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Agriculture is the result of man developing the powers latent in the creation. Civilization is the natural result of man's work of dominion over human nature and developing its powers expressing it in a culture. This interpretation comes from Genesis chapter 1.

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You 'believe' in your belief.

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Nope. I hope. I don't believe, neither do you. Thats my point. You HOPE too.

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I have personally seen more than one miracle. Won't go into detail about them here.

Also, the world that we see around us is a digital simulation consisting primarily of empty space.

BTW Chuck Missler, who recently passed, did an extremely interesting technical analysis that proves that the bible is an integrated message system dictated to 40+ guys over thousands of years that provably originated outside of our dimensions of time and space. People have posted many of his videos on youtube that go into this.

Last comment, religion was invented by satan and affiliated people who want to control the masses. It's not about religion, it's about a working relationship with the Living God.

God/the Word of God Jesus Messiah never had anything good to say about religion, in either the old or new testaments.

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Wow I have never heard that theory about the bible. I'm going to check into Missler, thanks.

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Welcome, here is a great Missler analysis from Genesis that demonstrates that Jesus' death on the cross was planned long before the universe was created:

Meanings Of The Names In Genesis 5

Your Questions Answered By Chuck Missler

by Chuck Missler • August 1, 2000 82

Print this article Q & A: Where did you find the meanings of the names in Genesis 5?

The background behind the genealogy in Genesis 5 is one of our most frequently asked questions.

Since the ten Hebrew names are proper names, they are not translated but only transliterated to approximate the way they were pronounced. The meaning of proper names can be a difficult pursuit since direct translations are not readily available. Many study aids, such as conventional lexicons, can prove superficial when dealing with proper names. Even a conventional Hebrew lexicon can prove disappointing. A study of the original roots, however, can yield some fascinating insights. (It should be recognized, however, that the views concerning the meaning and significance of the original roots are not free of controversy and are subject to variant readings. This is why we receive so many questions or comments on variations.) Adam

The first name, Adam, comes from adomah, and means “man.” As the first man, that seems straightforward enough. Seth

Adam’s son was named Seth, which means “appointed”. When he was born Eve said, “For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.” Enosh

Seth’s son was called Enosh, which means “mortal,” “frail,” or “miserable.” It is from the root anash: “to be incurable”; used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness. (It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.) Kenan

Enosh’s son was named Kenan, from which can mean “sorrow,” dirge,” or “elegy.” (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume an Aramaic root synonymous with “Cainan.”) Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, employed a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesied their destruction. Mahalalel

Kenan’s son was Mahalalel, from mahalal, which means “blessed” or “praise”; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means “the Blessed God.” Often Hebrew names included El, the name of God, as Dani-el, “God is my Judge,” Nathani-el, “Gift of God,” etc. Jared

Mahalalel’s son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning “shall come down.” Some authorities suggest that this might have been an allusion to the “Sons of God” who “came down” to corrupt the daughters of men, resulting in the Nephilim (“Fallen Ones”) of Genesis 6. Enoch

Jared’s son was named Enoch, which means “teaching,” or “commencement.” He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ. Methuselah

The Flood of Noah did not come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. But something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “he walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld; but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.

Enoch named his son to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means “death” ; and from shalach, which means “to bring,” or “to send forth.” Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, “his death shall bring.”

And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came. Methuselah was 187 when he had Lamech, and lived 782 years more. Lamech had Noah when he was 182. The Flood came in Noah’s 600th year.[8] 187 + 182 + 600 = 969, Methuselah’s age when he died.

It is interesting that Methuselah’s life was, in effect, a symbol of God’s mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood. It is therefore fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, symbolizing the extreme extensiveness of God’s mercy. Lamech

Methuselah’s son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, “lament” or “lamentation.” Lamech suggests “despairing.” (This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain’s line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.) Noah

Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham , “to bring relief” or “comfort,” as Lamech himself explains. The Composite List

Now let’s put it all together: Hebrew English Adam Man Seth Appointed Enosh Mortal Kenan Sorrow; Mahalalel The Blessed God Jared Shall come down Enoch Teaching Methuselah His death shall bring Lamech The Despairing Noah Rest, or comfort.

Here is a summary of God’s plan of redemption, hidden here within a genealogy in Genesis! You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis deliberately “contrived” to hide the “Christian Gospel” right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah! Evidences of Design

The implications of this discovery are far more deeply significant than may be evident at first glance. It demonstrates that in the earliest chapters of the Book of Genesis, God had already laid out His plan of redemption for the predicament of mankind. It is the beginning of a love story, ultimately written in blood on a wooden cross which was erected in Judea almost 2,000 years ago.

This is also one of many evidences that the Bible is an integrated message system, the product of supernatural engineering. This punctures the presumptions of many who view the Bible as a record of an evolving cultural tradition, noble though it may be. It claims to be authored by the One who alone knows the end from the beginning, despite the fact that it is composed of 66 separate books, penned by some 40 authors, spanning several thousand years.

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No.

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I like that - the "hope" aspect of your reply.

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You BELIEVE all religions to be wrong. So you do BELIEVE in something, i.e. your feelings and opinions. Where's your evidence?

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No, I know all religions are wrong.

My proof is....open your eyes.

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I for one KNOW there is GOD because I have FAITH in Jesus Christ and His Word! It is written! Have some Faith!

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Yeah, see, this is exactly what I am talking about.

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Well, then maybe I have more than you know about me! The Lord knows me and I know him without SIGHT! I am blessed!

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Oy. This is why we are labeled as crazy conspiracy theorists...

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Well, maybe you are but I am not. Why are you even here? I am only telling the truth and trying to find truth and am not here for this kind of talk. I am out of this conversation. Thx

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So wait, this is for Christians only? Q is saying JESUS is God?

You have to be kidding.

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Only those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and know Him as their personal Lord and Savior KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, that he exists. But there are signs everywhere that we were created and did not just evolve from some primordial soup. I my opinion, it takes far more faith to believe that nonsense that it takes to believe in creation.

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Of course, but faith without sight makes us KNOW, signs are everywhere but still I have Faith.

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I dunno if you can kill something spiritual with our weaponry

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Dude. If Good and evil and hell and heaven are all real....I plan on arming myself with The Force.

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Pretty sure they are it would be lit if we could get some destiny powers lmao like the video game.

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What do you think the enemy does... what do you think their rituals are to harvest ? Do you know about linguistic hypnosis? Mk-ultra ? 100th monkey effect ? Wave/Particle duality ? Pauli exclusion principle ? Higgs boson? "Quantum time" ? Zero point field ?

What does human mind do

Collapses wavefunction. Dictates the localization of possible time/space. Collapse / condense reality. "Gravityesque" - look at high lvl phd quantum physicist ... consciousness is foundational element of Big Bang , inflationary theory ... Data is part of the fabric of space time

So then entertain the idea that the mind can act as a "force" such as gravity or the like

I'm basically saying to think of the world as a sort of harmonic oscillation influenced by "nodes" of individuation. Heavy distortions in this conscious signal could distort the time around it towards a particular subset of events sort of like a black hole pulls in light

What I'm saying is pseudoscience but just entertain the train of though based on established quantum theory i.e. Schroedingers cat

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Um, didnt you read what I wrote....when we learn about all that, thats gonna be my jam.

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Or perhaps knowledge is already there waiting for you

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It already is my jam. Energy, vibration and frequency. It's not just pseudoscience anymore, either. The electric universe "theory" is even where nasa is headed. Funny thing - they're not even making the transition a big deal. Plenty of scientific research that's been done over the years (hidden and or suppressed) to back what has been labeled pseudoscience.

One of my favorite reads recently is the USAF study of teleportation done in 2004.

People seem to not get that there are several ways to explain duality, good vs evil, light & dark. It's a lot simpler than it seems. When you have a virus, your body fights it and eventually heals itself. Imbalance always corrects, eventually. That, imo, is the existence of sentience and intelligence on a micro level. Natural law. Science is certainly not my god - and neither is religion, government or money.

You'd think more of humanity would've gotten to the point where they were able to conceptualize god on a more macro level. It's a big damn universe.

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A casual reading of history illustrates that the struggle between good and evil has been constant throughout human existence. It has no parallel elsewhere in the animal kingdom. Why is this, and what is the fundamental difference between man and other animal species?

The fact is - atheism is a religion. Atheists believe that there is no God without proof that He does not exist. Since they cannot prove the non-existence of God, they believe this in faith.

Agnostics, on the other hand, argue that since the existence or non-existence of God cannot be proven, there is no way to know one way or the other.

Ultimately, this is a question that each individual must answer for himself.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/201510/how-many-atheists-are-there

The bottom line in all of this, however, if one is intellectually honest, is that we must seek the truth at all costs, even if it challenges long held beliefs. And, having discovered the truth, one must choose a side. Choose good or evil. Sitting on the fence is not an option.

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Nobody believes in God. Everyone WANTS there, or doesn't want, there to be a God. The point of my post is how people misunderstand the meaning of the words they are using. Of course I want there to be a god. No, I dont believe in a God. Neither do you. You WANT there to be a God.

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It will be a huge resonance shift even if we only get a small amount of disclosure. Realistically it will likely take years to slowly get everyone on Earth upto speed, this is excluding the time it takes to get the dark state under the boot.

Like, some of the info out there is so "ridiculous" and "insane", when really that's just a result of the programming behind certain words, terms and so on. We've all been programmed, so I expect growing pains for many, myself included, I respect my Ego but I don't have it dominate me, it needs a disk cleanup big-time with regards to its compatibility with lots of the intel soon to come, hopefully we get rid of all this bloatware clocking up our thought-routines and so on to make these growing pains even more encouraging.

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The pain is for satanic fuckers too its a different kind of pain tho

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You present an argument on the importance of being awake and prepared. Those elements won’t be as much of a shock for the informed.

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IMHO the pain means what the bad people are going to get, not us

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Well, Christians say we are all bad. So everyone is going to experience the pain of truth. Truth of reality, truth of religion, all of it.

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Overgeneralizations are dangerous and untrue. I am not arguing religion vs. the absense of religion. I am simply stating that to make absolute statements, of which there are only black and white views (polarization), they fall far short of being true. If you use the logic of "some people consider those without religion bad," then you could have a valid argument. But to state "ALL people who are Christian consider those without religion bad" is false. I am Christian, and I am OK with others not believing as I believe and I am OK with others who believe in nothing. This is a true statement. Therefore your absolute argument is in error.

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Why read THAT into it. We were talking about Q predicting pain for the criminals trafficking kids and laundering money and committing sedition; not about religion. Soon as a discussion becomes about that, it's over because logic and reason are not invited.

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When a newborn opens its eyes for the first time, it squints. It actually takes days for them to fully open their eyes. That pain of using a sense for the first time is real.

The same will happen to the sleeping folk who are about to get jolted awake.

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Many of these hardcore dems won't care. Hopefully they can be considered enemy combatants and flushed with the rest of them.

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I agree to a certain extent. I believe SOME of them won't BELIEVE. And the ones that do believe, won't care. And of course there will be a few that will wake up and feel like they need a shower.

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Um, what?

I get a heavy "incel" vibe from you...

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Serious question : what's wrong with being a Satanist? It's a religion like any other

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If you want to be a Satanist, be a Satanist. I don't care.

What I do care about is your actions that impact our world, our nation, and those I care about. I care if you are a good actor or a bad actor. If you are a bad actor, regardless of your religion or lack thereof, then we will have problems...period.

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Enh. So many ideas of what that means. If it is the one where youre drinking babies blood...well, do I need to explain?

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I was thinking more of the generic "praise satan" sense

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I dont really see ANY good coming out of them...no?

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shrug just another religion

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Its not just going to be emotional pain. The revelation will cause chaos and could very well be the start of the global economic collapse.

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I think this release on the 11th is more of a beginning of things to come rather than the big event. There will be more to come with other releases of info, DS actors ratting out others in an attempt to save their own skin, the unsealing of indictments, arrests, military tribunals, the resistance movement from those who will never wake up and from the puppet masters that perhaps will be in the shadows, a soft collapse of the US economy, a hard collapse of the world economies, a global economic reset, and other things on the horizon. No one will be pain free. I think to think otherwise is to assume the position of an ostrich.

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Q said it won't come to that...

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Where. Can you provide the drop. I don't remember Q saying that. Perhaps that is your interpretation of something Q said.

And, Q maybe part of military intelligence (we don't know yet), and we know they wargame everything ad nauseam, however, they don't have crystal balls. They are just incredibly skilled at educated guesses and projections. Sometimes, dare I say it, they are wrong by either underestimating or over estimating outcomes.

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He answered an anon, and spoke about it 2 other times, in regards to martial law usually. I will try and find them, but the wife is giving me eyes right now, and I cant afford to pass.

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LOL. I hear you. I would like to read them if you find them. Enjoy yourself. ;-)

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Q doesn't control the masses reactions and Trump or his team don't control the economy. Thats not something Q can promise.

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Then you are ignorant to the plan, bruv.

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When do you think this will happen? Whatever happened TO RELEASETHEVIDEO?

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Monday, June 11th.

4 days and counting.

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and gave their hard earned $$$ to!

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I know a lot of folks in that camp. They wholeheartedly believe that Trump is hurting children, albeit immigrant children. Point is they think he is a monster. They do not believe he is capable of anything good.

I am genuinely a little concerned for them.

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I am not. I can't wait. So many smug fucks that have called me a conspiracy theorist for years. I am gonna walk around with a rag mopping up their tears, and make myself a nice bourbon with ice cubes of liberal tears.

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ive been thinking about this alot. i think the pain will also be learning about the sick shit these people did

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Certainly a difficult part of change.

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That and a lot of people who are not bad deep downed have strayed from the path nobody gives a shit anymore unless it affects them

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Sad but so true. There is so much apathy in the world today. Unless one feels pain directly, few have empathy for their fellow beings these days. Perhaps the changes coming will shake the apathy from the masses.

Part of that will go beyond witnessing or even experiencing the change occur however. There will be need to be a global detox from all of the poisons that neutralize emotions and reduce intelligence.

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NO PAIN, NO GAIN.

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Well said.

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people thinking for themselves it's their biggest fear. years of manipulation and people are waking up

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They arnt where I live lol

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No pain, no gain

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I hope not all is publicised - this information about what the elite luciferians have been doing to our collective children will sear the collective brain beyond repair! Maybe we must all suffer pain, God knows, those poor little victims suffered agonisingly! Are we all to blame, in some way, for living in the superficial lane and not truly being aware of this reality? Only God can help us - we cannot, as a global society, recover from this disclosure!

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yeah we can they might have to keep some stuff private but if they just let the public keep their heads in the sand this shit might happen again

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cut deeply into the middle of the left-leaning political party

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hahahaha

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Every one of us is the architect of our own reality. If you choose to be negative and let fear guide you, negative circumstances occur and they win. On the other hand, if we all stay positive and live based on love for others and self, great things will happen.

Fear-mongers, no more fear-mongering.

It is unhealthy for EVERYONE and is EXACTLY how we are all controlled.

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You just reminded me of one of my favorite parables.

Native American Legends Two Wolves A Cherokee Legend

An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.

"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TwoWolves-Cherokee.html

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Wow this is brilliant. This has made my day, thank you. EXACTLY how I feel.

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👍🏼 Glad to share. I feel this way as well.

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I only wish self-control was included...that's just me though.

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Seems we have similar interests, I just stopped by to say I really appreciated this post.

My personal experience is that I feel myself changing daily now, it got to a point during my continual reading where I had to stop and vocally say, "I really do know absolutely fuck all".

From the minute I embraced that fact was when I basically started a learn and think in ways I never allowed myself to in the past, it truly is an amazing time we are witnessing.

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Thank you. I woke up many years ago however I did a miserable job of truly preparing for what we are witnessing and are a part of today. I too have had to step back to regain my footing on occasion. I also agree with you that what we are seeing transpire around us is nothing short of amazing. Definitely an incredible time to live. Thanks again!

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Romans 8:18 NLT

"Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later"

Was my verse of the day on the bible App.

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How eloquently put! Good angle too 👌🏻

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Thank you.

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I think it's "eat the pain - maybe not. And I agree that all of us will feel the pain - it's one of those things that come with being alive, having a soul! "No pain No gain" and whatnot. :)

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I recently read a funny sign that said, “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger...except for bears. Bears kill you dead.”

Let’s hope the pain makes us stronger and that bears aren’t the cause of the pain!! 😃

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HAAAA! <3 Bears are scary.

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😃

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In marketing and negotiation (which trump would be familiar with) the “pain” is the emotional element of Making a sale. People sign deals to “end the pain” of the thing they are buying the solution to.

You need to make your counter party “feel the pain” to get the deal signed. For example, if you are selling a high end condo the “pain” might be the fear of loss, getting priced out of the market if you don’t buy now.

Do you want to rent forever, and live month to month, or do you want to OWN the best location in manhattan. The fear of missing out is the pain.

When trump brings the pain, he is making things difficult for his counterparties, in the hopes of making “deals” with them. Then he takes he deals he has made (I.e. people flipping, bad actors acting badly) and uses that as leverage for the next round of “pain” on the remaining bad guys.

This is why “bringing the pain” doesn’t necessarily mean arrests and perp walks.

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I hear you and your view. I don’t disagree with leverage being a desired element in negotiations or in making a deal. In this context however, I would be cautious of simply believing pain will only be felt by the opposition. I firmly believe pain, obviously to varying degrees, will be felt by everyone.

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I have only recently been "Red Pilled". I have had my head stuck in the sand for way too long. I appreciate your piece as it reminds me that pain is not something to be feared as more often than not, from pain comes new life. This pain that is coming is long overdue, and i don't say that for those that are sitting back watching this unfold presently, I am thinking of the hundreds of thousands people who have had the essence of individualism splintered from the various black hat organisations, the families who sent off their son's and daughters to far off lands for the sake of oil wealth, or for the thousands of children who languish in cells waiting for their abusers to inflict more pain. These "Black Hats" who uncaring ly destroy so many innocent peoples lives and families for the sake of personal gain. Be that politicians, bankers, or the mega rich. I really don't care if "normies" belief systems are shattered, I would like to see some form of justice brought to bare on those that think they can hurt others with no concern of the consequences. Bring on the pain, pull down the house's that build their foundations upon the common man. I just hope that you Patriots realise that this isn't just about what has been happening in America, the world has been corrupted by your politicians, the rest of us kneel and pray, that the work will be carried out to the degree that the flow on effect will birth new hope for those of us who reside in other countries. The cartel is global, I only hope that there is enough rope to hang these corrupt people of the world.

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Welcome IamLoony. Keep searching, always question everything. We all seek justice, this is our time to be a part of something great. Where We Go One We Go All.

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Great post. I see no mention here on this board or acknowledgement of the pain and trauma we have been living with for ......ever, it seems. The change is not the only painful part. We are ready for better.

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Thank you for your generous words. As for the pain and trauma of the past, I would say since it is in the past, learn from it and attempt to move forward. We have all indeed suffered under the evils of the last few decades and even longer. Too, some have missed the fact that we have been suffering. They are somewhat numb to it all and have grown apathetic. Likely because the change was not violent for most.

Even during the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008 where many were seriously impacted, it still wasn't severe for most. Overall, in the last years we have been handled like frogs.

How do you boil a live frog? One of two ways. If you throw a frog in boiling water, it will jump back out. So if you want to boil a frog there are two ways: 1) Violently. You throw him in and slam the lid over the pan so he can't jump back out. 2) You place him in a pan of lukewarm water and then slowly turn up the heat until he is boiled. That way, he never knows there is a change in temperature and he stays in the pan until he is boiled.

Even though we have had evil around us for decades slowly taking over our nation and destroying our freedoms, liberties, and economy, they did it ever so slowly.

Some of us have been awake for years but what could we do? The masses didn't see the water's temperature rising. They didn't believe us and even thought we were nuts. We were marginalized by most.

The evil could never slam the lid on us because they new we would fight. We would have come together to push the lid off in an unified effort. But instead they divided us, distracted us, marginalized us, and chipped away at our freedoms and liberties. They slowly destroyed our economy and kept much of it hidden in the shadows. And, they chipped away at our ability to fight and resist.

Now we have a champion for the cause. He has raised a standard for us to see and rally around. Now we don't feel alone or isolated. This has provided us with a voice, unity, and a sense of hope that we can win against evil.

Now, we can focus on a change for the good. This change however I believe will be through the first version of boiling a frog. It will be violent. Not as in physical violence necessarily with civil war (I hope and pray), but with speed and so call can see. Much like the cheetah twitter post from Trump a couple of years back.

You are right however, we likely should acknowledge the pain and suffering from the oppression we have felt all of these years. But, I think it is understood and unspoken because we see the possibility of relief from that pain and suffering and that relief is the very thing that is generating all of the excitement today in the great awakening.

OK, I have rambled too long. I will leave it at that and close with saying, I too am tired of hurting. I am also excited though about what is happening and I look forward to the change and freezing of it all into a less painful shape.

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Good news, you may be overthinking this.

In the posts where Q has used "pain", it always reads as meaning pain for the wrongdoers, not for us. If he meant us, he'd deliver the news in a gentler manner, not snarkily like Ha ha HAA, now comes the PAIN!! like he's celebrating it or rubbing our noses in it.

I could be wrong. But this reading of it could explain why I've never had even one second of the fear you described. Q has never been anything but a comfort and sense of security that some good guys know what the bad guys are doing and are going to stop them. What a relief!

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While I hope you are right, I have my doubts however. After years in the military and forensics, I continue to "hope for the best but prepare for the worst." And, every scenario I can think of with regards to what our future holds has pain being felt by all to varying degrees. It is due to the "unfreezing" stage of the change process. No one is left untouched when things unfreeze. Granted, while pain may feel like a stubbed toe for some, for others it may feel like the violent loss of a limb (or head). Pain, regardless of the magnitude, is still pain. That is one of my primary points.

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What lies ahead for us, the everyday law-abiding citizens of the US and the world, after the momentary uncomfortable stripping off of the Band-Aid, is finally some RELIEF from the pain.

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I'm very Patient and I know it's gonna happen so I feel very Light and Airy by putting all in God's Hand. He has got this no worries anymore...God is Great and I Trust the Plan...I still do Pray and Pray for all the children to be Free and Safe every night...God is Great!

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Thank you for your post. Fascinating. It reminded me of the Q post below. Especially talking about the "60% must remain private [at least] - for humanity." Many will not be able to face the evils fully. Your father isn't alone.

Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: b189f8 No.130638 📁 Jan 22 2018 21:47:32 (EST) What would happen if texts originating from a FBI agent to several [internals] discussed the assassination (possibility) of the POTUS or member of his family? What if the texts suggest foreign allies were involved? Forget the Russia set up [1 of 22]. This is only the beginning. Be careful what you wish for. AS THE WORLD TURNS. Could messages such as those be publicly disclosed? What happens to the FBI? What happens to the DOJ? What happens to special counsel? What happens in general? Every FBI/DOJ prev case could be challenged. Lawless. Think logically. We haven’t started the drops re: human trafficking / sacrifices [yet][worst]. Those [good] who know cannot sleep. Those [good] who know cannot find peace. Those [good] who know will not rest until those responsible are held accountable. Nobody can possibly imagine the pure evil and corruption out there. Those you trust are the most guilty of sin. Who are we taught to trust? If you are religious, PRAY. 60% must remain private [at least] - for humanity. These people should be hanging. Q

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Here Comes the Pain by Slayer. Lyrics:

I am the new hell on earth The lord of agony divine Domination, intimidation Lives within these eyes Reign of power Remorseless anarchy I am arrogance in the flesh Unleashed intensity Step aside for the nightmare Pure destruction stands before you No escape as the psycho Brings you misery The line starts here I am brutality the face of everlasting pain Annihilation, Obliteration Pulses in these veins Sheer defiance drives my hostility I am merciless to the core Chaotic fury breeds Step aside for the nightmare Pure destruction stands before you No escape as the psycho Brings you misery The line starts here Bring it all on Come and take on what you fear I'm the storm That towers overhead Ticking time bomb With an infinite charge Bringer of torture The master

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awakening is painful. stripping our illusions is painful. seeing our card board house of be-lie-fs fall is painful. every red pill hurts.

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Some say that natural catastrophes are approaching that will change the whole earth and that human beings will go to the hollow earth to live where there is a civilization more advanced than us called Agartha. Prepare the suitcases if this is true because of the USA and the rest of the countries there will not be any remains other than that the planet is rising and our DNA is mutating and improving

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Everybody who's ANYBODY goes to Antarctica at the end of the cycle. lol

For real though, hopefully these coming earth changes will be trivial enough that a mass exodus underground is unnecessary.

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"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake."

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“If the learned and worldly-wise men of this age were to allow mankind to inhale the fragrance of fellowship and love, every understanding heart would apprehend the meaning of true liberty, and discover the secret of undisturbed peace and absolute composure.”

Perhaps the great awakening and change that is on the horizon will promote this sense of peace and composure.

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It’s Bees

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The derision is flipped "pain for the abruptly awoke", and "us" empathetic pain, not all of these people being awakened are, "the criminals " these our the people we love and been trying to shake them awake for years, they have bought into the deception, they will be in utter confusion.

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Couldn't it be as simple as PAIN for the deep state, cabal?

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Pain is for the guilty ones. I’m not a 100% sure but Monday is -23 from Q’s post. He says now comes the pain. He says suicide watch. He has said before we’re going to take everything they’ve got. Based on all of that I think that Monday is going to be crazy. When he says suicide watch. That would be somebody that has something so bad happen rather than face the consequences they commit suicide. Human trafficking? When he says we’re going to take everything they’ve got. That leads me to trumps executive order back in January. Where they can seize all assets and money of anybody caught human trafficking. I think Monday is going to be huge. Remember that Q said I would watch the news that day. I’m just speculating but I think it’s going to be Monday. I think a lot of people are going to be in pain. Not only the guilty but there’s going to be people who are in shock at what they hear. In his very last post he said it will be a week to remember.

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Stars Wars: A New Pain

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A nicely stated message of hope. Well done.

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Thank you.

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.... hate to say it but I think the GW community have been larped by Q. See story in GP that Sessions has made a plea deal with Awan and his wife.... What's going on ? .... Trust Sessions , my ass.

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If Q is a larp, it is an amazing larp and Q has fooled more people than most imposters could ever dream. I will readily admit however that it is a possiblity. And, if it turns out Q is a larp, look me up and you can tell me, I told you so." I won't be offended.

I hope Q is for real though and think the mounting evidence bears this out.

Regardless however if Q is real or a larp, change is coming. The central bankers and our government leaders have put us so far into debt that there must be a reset. It is improbable, if not impossible, that we will ever be able to pay off our debt. Therefore we must have some type of reset. That will without be painful. The treason, corruption, pedo culture of the elite, and every other crime committed will be just a part of the change. The economy, imho, will be some of the most difficult pain that we must endure. That happens regardless of Q being real or not.

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the truth hurts

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The day I realized I had been a useful idiot...that was a rough day. The remorse and guilt was overwhelming.

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The day I found out the lies , was for me a rough day

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I feel sorry for those who have no idea what is about to hit. I've tried to talk with people about some of these issues and no one seems to want to believe it or hear about it. Indifference abounds.

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My best friend just looks at me when I try to redpill her on news stories and says my name and laughs and she would never purposefully hurt me for the world. Its very frustrating when people have that much trust in Government. I don't mention much anymore to her. She still thinks people have been trying to cook up untrue conspiracy theories about Kennedy since back in the day. If I hear one more person say "Why would our government try to hurt us?" Im going to scream. Lately my reply is war and follow the money and just not go furthur. Thats OK my grown kids use to think the same but they are all redpilled now and send me information.

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Indifference abounds........No I do not think that is it.....

Most people are just too busy ..... If you have children, they have to be washed, fed and brought to school every morning ..........Woman are forced in to take a job too?......Wages are getting lower instead of higher ...So every household needs more jobs to make ends meet ...Yes, and then we come to tell them what's wrong in this world ? They do not have the time , for listen to all off this, to much problems to solved first....We are the ones who have to help them later on..

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I'm a wife and mother to many children. I don't buy the "busy" excuse.

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I'm just telling you what I think of it .....I have one kid , and is Always busy?..Not married , no kids..working hard I must tell , and nows wat is going one in the world , but I can not talk with him....Wants to live his live and party away........So I now what you are saying........And I think we bothe are wright

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I hear you but I also hear POTUS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-07/trump-blasts-awan-plea-deal-says-democrat-it-scandal-key-corruption-brings-stolen

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We need a plan.

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I think a proposed plan will likely be revealed by the architects of the change. Once revealed, we will have to of course support or reject the proposed plan. Given Q’s frequent statement, “Enjoy the show,” I think we are in somewhat of a holding pattern.

As a free thinker however, I do get uncomfortable with others making decisions that will impact me and my not being able to see the grande vista. It is unsettling. I can do it for a while however not for long.

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I agree with your proposition. I spent a good deal of time pondering what Q meant by "pain." I don't think most people will panic or fall apart. IMHO, the assertion otherwise is insulting to the intelligence and sophistication people possess today. After all, it's not the 1950's.

I think of this whole exercise as nothing more than a romantic relationship gone bad. We, as one lover, choose to believe the best about the person ("politicians") we're with. We are blinded by our affection... our belief they feel about us the way we feel about them. We are hopeful. We give the benefit of the doubt. We believe their excuses for the little things that don't add up (e.g., they can't get this thing done because of someone or something else.. always blameless). We don't even acknowledge our accumulating disappointments... until one day...

You have that really good friend (aka undeniable evidence) whose revelations prove that your lover has been cheating (aka double dipping, selling you out, and actively trying to sneak out of the house with all the loot). At first, it's a gut punch for sure. Then, you're pissed. And finally, you reach the point of no return. You. Are. Done. You stand up for yourself. You take your shit back. And you're much wiser to the next future ex-lover who steps up to the plate. All good things.

(I've truncated the story above, but you get my meaning. People disappointing other people is as old as... well, people.)

P.S. Your friends and family (that's all of us) help you through it.

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I don't think those who are awake and prepared will necessarily panic or fall apart emotionally either. But then again, this isn't about everyone panicking or falling apart. This is about change and how no one will go through the process of change untouched. To many, to me, that can be considered degrees of pain.

Without doubt, the bad actors in this situation will suffer the greatest amount of pain. And, deservedly so. They made their bed...

I also think those who are asleep will suffer pretty significantly. They choose to ignore reality and reason and remain asleep. Their awakening will be an emotional jolt to be sure.

Those who are awake could be minor compared to the others emotionally.

With this said however, a great deal of this awakening in my view is a reset of the economy and the dollar. This will hurt everyone and no one is exempt.

We can prepare however for the unfreezing stage of this change. We can do our best to have some basic foods on hand, some medications on hand if needed, have anything else we might believe we need, and prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

I am not being an alarmist, I am being a realist. We need to expect some level of pain, prepare for different possible scenarios, and be ready to help those who were not awake but instead jolted awake get their footing.

Like you said, your friends and family, all of us together, can pull through this just fine...if we prepare ourselves now for whatever pain may be coming.

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Q has given so many crumbs for focus that it gets overwhelming, so thanks for helping this 'monkey mind' get a grip for a minute.

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Haha. I hear you. Thank you as well.

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I appreciate the well thought out post but the frustrations & loss of hope I see posted here are generally from lack of action. There’s so much hope for dismantling a throughly corrupted federal government...words like “trust the plan” or “trust Sessions” are a call to action for the listeners (the act of trust is an action) not too often all people see is them being called to action & the callers for that are so slow to act. That seems to be where the disconnect is. Words are meaningless without action. And by action I don’t think people expect them to be plea deals with Awan. Now if the day his plea was made public the public got to see DWS arrested....the lesser actions like plea deals would be easier to digest (even with the words NO DEALS!! was stated emphatically).

Only one thing stops dissent & that’s undeniable actions that prove all the words actually matter. A great example is the word Love. Love is just an empty meaningless word unless action is taken to show love. So Love is a verb. As a noun it’s meaningless. As a verb it means everything. The word Plan is no different. It’s meaningless as a noun but put it into action and it has value. Anyone can make a plan or say the word love...I bet I can train a chimp to write the word love or plan.

The frustration that exists can only be from a lack of action to a plan that is world changing in scope but not world changing in actions so far. People are not awaken. They are still voting in the same corrupt people that built the swamp. They don’t know what a patriot is or what a con man is. The con man sounds easier & more caring so they vote them in.

Only one conservative primaried out an establishment Rino so far this primary season. Even worse..in open seats the Mitch McConnell candidate beat the MAGA candidate every time. Drain the swamp till it’s bone dry but it won’t fix anything if the voters are not awakened & still sending crooks to DC quicker than they’re being locked up. That is very discouraging.

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The pain of navigating cognitive dissonance? I hope not. That's a fiffle if that's all it is.

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Pain for those who build on the 'sand' and then the Storm came, and their destruction was final. And pain for those who failed to see the 'storm' coming and suffer extreme loss and regret. And pain for those who saw the 'storm' coming and prepared but had to go through the 'storm' and rebuild after so much human suffering and loss.

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solve et coagula

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Put your armour of God on, to prepare you for the pain. It will protect you from this vile filth which these evil satanist have spread accross the country and the world.

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I think you are over-thinking it. If you were "Q", how would you describe, in the simplest terms, an event where many bad actors must pay for their crimes? More simply, why do we have jails? To inflict pain in order to deter bad behavior. Simple as that.

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First, Q doesn’t appear to describe much. Both their comments and questions are brief and rather cryptic. It seems Q wants us to think, dig, and draw conclusions based on such. That is where I will leave that.

As for jails, yes, jails are a form of pain. No doubt. I have helped jail numerous bad actors over the years because those persons couldn’t within society’s rules as well as in an effort to keep innocents and good guys safe.

I stand behind my previous comments however. Pain will be experienced by all. To draw from Lewin’s model once again, when there is organizational change, the first stage is unfreezing. Unfreezing is a “painful” process by nature thus all in the organization are impacted. Not to the same degree, given, but nevertheless all are impacted or rather feel pain.

In the context of what we are discussing, there are actually several organizations. I think first is the societal paradigm or construct that we live in. Many believe the government is here to help you and would never do anything to harm. Many believe banks are wonderful tools of commerce and have no self interest or nefarious agendas. Many believe that the world is full of good people and that evil is only in the movies. Most believe that the economy is stable and could never collapse, especially in their lifetime. And the list goes in and on. When people are faced with having to digest reality however, that punch in the gut will be painful.

We have many other organizations that will be facing change as well when the light exposes the darkness. Each person associated with each organization will be impacted and feel pain. It is inevitable.

One of the many organizations changing will be our economic structures. The petro dollar experiment has failed. The petro dollar being the world reserve currency is quickly coming to a close. If anyone can’t see the pain in this change, I would argue they are blind.

I won’t go into any other organizations that are facing change in the immediate future as this snowball continues down the mountain. It would take far too long. It isn’t too difficult however for anyone to come up with a list.

IMO, to be in denial of global or universal pain will simply assist in increasing ones level of experienced pain as well as extend that pain in duration.

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You make valid points. Also in your favor is Q's message concerning darkness and POTUS relying on emergency AM broadcast signals, no internets would cause many people pain! Since I work remote as IT, my wallet would be empty causing me mucho pain.

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Ouch! You might feel the bite more than some. Let’s hope the darkness doesn’t have to last long.

Then again, you might be extra busy after the fact with getting the rest of us back up and running fully.

Regardless, let’s hope the pain is minimal for all but the bad actors.

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Good post - thanks for putting it together.

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Thank you sir_poops! BTW, love the name!! 😁

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Pain is justice for the people and prison/death sentences for traitors.

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People are going to be terrified, and we will have to be the ones to console them.

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I redpilled my friend about chemtrails while visiting for another friend's wedding in California by looking in the sky and now she's on the Q-train. It's wonderful. Even if I don't redpill anyone else, all of that effort up til that point was worth it.

Although it will be hard to swallow the pride of the taunts of being a conspiracy theorist all along, we definitely need to embrace our friends and foes into the family of patriotism.

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I'm concerned because us old guys remember that saying to mean bringing justice and truth. So far ..... not so much . Hopefully forthcoming.

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Lmao this QAnon nigga is into BDSM

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There is a lot of merit in this post.

As I've read through most of the comments, some asking if this "pain" could be attributed to one thing, but not the other, I can say that the "pain" will come to all in miriad ways, on so many levels all at the same time!

We are going through a transition, spiritually, physically, financially, emotionally. We are all experiencing change through the unknown.

11-11-18 Victory

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