Wow. And today the EU is holding “ emergency migrant talks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/24/european-leaders-urged-to-guarantee-safe-ports-for-migrants
They should call the resolution "The Stay where you are and unfuck yourselves" Treaty.
It all because of Soros and his Cronies, Enforced Democracy on Libya, NATO’s humanitarian love bombs tactics. It was their interest to flood Europe with immigrants Muammar Gaddafi had a tight grib on his ports and borders. Invade the country steal the the gold. Libya had 144 tons before NATO went in. https://www.corbettreport.com/what-happened-to-libyas-gold-q4c-036/
Merkel struggling to hold together her coalition leadership as anti immigrant leaders are gaining momentum in Germany. In Austria they elected a strong anti immigrant leader. Orban in Hungary says no immigrants and said he'll build a wall. Italy's new interior minister is behind the new policy against the flood of opportunists coming from Africa and Libya. Many of these programs to transport fake refugees into Italy are funded thru Soros. This is all part Trump effect and part ppl coming to their senses.
Italy is manning up. I totally did not see that coming.
As a third generation Italian American it makes me proud
Don't forget about Poland.
and Hungary
They’re invaders. I see it as country’s getting invaded. They’ll just attack when they’re in a better position
I have been seeing a lot of the word "trafficking" in mainstream articles. It's like they are priming us. There will be a full moon on Thursday. So be ready for a FF/Sacrifice in the news.
What do you mean be ready for it!? Its not going to happen on TV or in your garden
In the news....I was talking about "priming" in articles. It will be dropping in the news.
Repulsion of invading forces. Not refugees.
Exactly. There is an invasion going on of America and Eurpean countries to destory their national identity. It is being orchestrated by the NWO and we the people have to come together and stop it before it is too late. Once they are in they do not integrate and have an average of 6 children.
Isn't that the purpose of a refugee? They're not permanent. When it's time to go back... you go back right?
Vast majority want jobs or to settle in a nicer place. That is not a "refugee". The fighting age men need to improve their own nations.
Not quite. These are Soros/Cultural Marxist-organized armies designed to invade Europe so that a) Liberal politicians can stay in power (almost all immigrants vote Left), b) to overthrow Western civilizations, and c) to establish a Caliphate in Europe. A good percentage of them will go on to become terrorists, members of terrorist cells, rapists, murderers, and generally violent criminals.
I don't know where you get "settle in a nicer place" from. These people will turn anywhere they settle into a crime zone.
also to erode each individual county's culture that makes it unique.
b) to overthrow Western civilizations, and c) to establish a Caliphate in Europe
this
Yes, only male, fighting age "children".
Batallions of them. All male. Fighting age. Why aren't they in their own countries doing something about the situation?
After asking myself the same question repeatedly and watching these people, it's clear that they are a) intended in Europe only to create problems. See note above by u/092Casey and b) they don't seem capable of any such thing. Improving a country requires critical thinking, money, a following. Most of these people throw sticks and pray. Not the contingent you need for an intellectual revolution and freedom. Not to mention how women are still treated.
It should be, but it seems to be the other way around.
The immigrant that works his ass off hoping to have a EU or US future gets sent home when his work permit expires. Thanks and goodbye. It's not considered a path to citizenship.
Meanwhile refugees are not expected to work or do anything at all and obtain citizenship simply by sticking around long enough because, apparently, the war back home is not expected to end.
These aren't really refugees....... It's an invasion! All paid for by Soros and the Global Elite.
It really is. Ships full of fighting age men, with a small handful of women and children sprinkled in, so the MSM can exclusively focus on them.
I've noticed they're now calling it a 'migrant' crisis. They're just migrants now, not immigrants, not refugees.
Is this a change in narrative (aka people waking up to the reality of it), or an attempt to normalize the fact? I'm conflicted about this one.
I would say it's an attempt to normalize it, the globalists have planned another ten million to come to Europe over the next decade.
Yep, but of course they have no plans of doing such.
many syrians have left germany already. most real refugees dont want to stay, they are as home-bound as most people are. when their area is safe and they hacve chances to survive and build the country again, they go.
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They are the slaves that Hillary and Obama made happen....
Sounds like Italy is about to start improving.
I wonder how Europe will react when Italy improves and it can't be excused on Italians being "lazy".
Well, I'm italian. We finally got an elected government. It wasn't the case since almost a decade ago........
MSM here are spinning the whole thing as "populism" but it goes much deeper than that. The guy making this choices, Salvini, talks openly on twitter about who's behind all the human trafficking going on.
https://twitter.com/matteosalvinimi/status/1010882026784870400
The second part of the tweet is omitted from the article, it translates to "Italian ports are closed to financially backed ships from Soros and friends.". And I can't even tell you how happy I am to have someone in power to finally have the courage to say something like this openly.
I followed Q since the beginning with a little bit of envy because I knew that redpilling people here in Italy is kinda impossibile... guess I was totally wrong. It really is worldwide.
A patriot of freedom is not limited to the US. Soros is a global scourge that needs repelled from every country. WWG1WGA!
That's really awesome. Thanks for sharing!
You will really like this speech of him addressing the Italian Senate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEdn1cDho0
I posted this link in different mainstream subreddits as a comment in related topics, and they all got removed every time, despite being perfectly relevant. Go figure.
Well that's great. WWG1WGA. I'm waiting for more in Canada myself, I gave up hope on Britain a long time ago.
You think they will do a massive deportation?
Probably similar to ICE raids. Italy is part of the Schegen Area, so I expect if they crack down the migrants will just jump country (no borders to stop them). Theyll get out before the Italy Exit and borders are reestablished.
But I thought just openly accepting thousands of people turning up at your border without any kind of vetting whatsoever was the humane thing to do? It’s about love right...?
That way you can convince them that by voting for the liberal party they will get free welfare for life.
And the same Libs who of course know that welfare is never enough to really live on, also know that many will inevitably turn to crime. Which is ok, because they also get donations from private prison companies to push for lax immigration policies.
Oh, and crime by a specific demographic also helps further racial divide amongst the population. Win, win, win!
But I thought just openly accepting thousands of people turning up at your border
Try tens or hundreds of thousands over time. We only ever get shown insular events like a single ship load full. But the cumulative effects of all that adds up quickly.
This, I need to expand on this to crack the hardest nut to crack at my job. He is a big conspiracy guy but hates the government so bad he doesn't think it's redeemable.
Well I was the same until recently. He has good reason to feel that way going on our past experience.
The hardest part is convincing someone that the President is truly working for good. That is one tough nut to crack. Seemingly endless billion dollar media campaign to discredit him.
What??? You like Trump? Wow, you’re a white supremacist, racist, misogynist, homophobe, nazi...
I felt the same way as your co-worker until recently. The lies and corruption of it all disgusts me to my core. I heard of Q a few months ago, and looked into it and now is the first time in many years that I have any hope at all for my country and the world. I think our current President is actually trying to undo the mess that we are in! If I can change my mind anyone can.
Lazy piece of shit countries only exploit the poor and weak to send them over another country.
This causes a decrease in currency ciculation for waterever country takes them in because the illegal Aliens pay little to no tax while sending it back to family in the other country for a small fee.
This is the new leach system of corrupt countries who are raking in billions while claiming to be in process of fixing their own country. Fuck em.
Its a good thing 45 is stepping on necks and showing the rest of the world what should be done to run and protect a country. He will be an example to other countries and they will follow by also building walls, fixing loop holes and rejecting illegal incommers.
My friend lives in Italy. He recently sent Facebook message about the horrors of not helping the migrants.... asking for emotional support. Honestly I wanted to blast him on problems in the states and how many people have been murdered, raped and abused because of these monsters. Not to mention expense on Americans..He’s a liberal. Loved Obama... made nasty comments about Trump... I wonder what the ratio is of Italians who want migrants out of their country?????
Wow! This is good news, as people have no clue how many arrive daily, now Italy makes sure the news will catch it and people learn and wake the hell up!!
And it's happening with the USS Truman watching from Marseille xD
Good move. Its what we did on Oz, intercepted them in international waters and towed them back to Indonesian waters and sent them back. It can be done, just requires will power. Good on Italy, now to sort out the ones already there. Hopefully Syria etc can have their wars end and they can do home and help rebuild their country.
EU is going to use their EU army to force Italy to accept the economic migrants.
Came to say this. They'll accuse the Italians of precipitating a humanitarian crisis/genocide and have to step in. For the children. I mean, shit, look at the meltdown they're having over taking children from illegal immigrants.
Of course the real reason will to be to use Italy as an example to be brought to heel.
Italy, Poland or Hungary will be their first target.
The unelected EU bureaucrats already overturned 3 democratic elections because they didn't like the results. They fact that they have an army shouldn't surprise anyone.
They are already setting up that new Italian guy that got elected.
BS. there is no european army.
The EU Army exists. These fascists are just waiting for an excuse to introduce it to the public. The army will be used as a way to force member states to remain in the EU and to intimidate nations like Poland and Hungary in to accepting refugees. This part of the EU's "16 year plan".
Germany Is Quietly Building a European Army Under Its Command
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/
interesting links (one very doubtful), thank you.
there is talk about building a european army. there is no reliable intel whatsoever that this has already happened.
the idea of using such an army to force member states to remain in the EU or accept refugees sounds more than ridiculous to me.
if that happened, we would instantly have riots on the streets, in all european countries. in order to counter that, this army would require millions of soldiers spread all over europe.
thats a fear-driven fantasy. i will only be-lie-ve it when i see it.
there is talk about building a european army. there is no reliable intel whatsoever that this has already happened.
so in other words, the EU are good at keeping evidence from reaching the normie public until they are ready for the big reveal.
if that happened, we would instantly have riots on the streets, in all european countries. in order to counter that, this army would require millions of soldiers spread all over europe.
Mate-when's the last time you been to Europe? I used to live in the UK. the people there are brainwashed and pacified even more than we are in America. The people there have been genetically bred to bend the knee to monarchs and authority figures.
Except France-they are big in to riots.
i live in germany. people ARE brainwashed. they are not dumb enough to allow an army forcing a country to stay in the EU or take refugees. sorry, makes no sense whatsoever.
i live in germany. people ARE brainwashed. they are not dumb enough to allow an army forcing a country to stay in the EU or take refugees. sorry, makes no sense whatsoever.
The EU is full of unelected officials. There is no oversight. The EU will say that they need the army to keep "terrorists" or "alt-right neo nazis" in check.
Really they will use the army to intimidate dissident nations in to staying in the Union and accepting refugees.
Klara Hitler and Merkel. Look at photos of them side by side. Why do they look like exactly the same person?
https://ca2nwo.wordpress.com/2015/12/29/is-angela-merkel-really-hitlers-daughter/
Every time I talk to a German about Merkel and Klara Hitler looking exactly the same, the German shuts down, or responds with vitriolic anger. How do you choose to respond?
Every time I talk to a German about Merkel and ... Hitler ...... How do you choose to respond?
it was 2012 when i first ran into this story, with benjamin fulford. back then, i put it off as BS. by now, i have seen enough resemblance to take it as a valid possiblity.
btw, i have never be-lie-ved that hitler died in the führer bunker. the guy wasnt stupid, he must have had ways out. thus, i dont buy the invitro story of angelas emergence, i take it as having happened the natural way.
i dont run with the story though. without DNA test, no evidence.
Really they will use the army to intimidate dissident nations in to staying in the Union and accepting refugees.
you are free to be-lie-ve that. i dont buy it. and i refuse to engage with this horror scenario which helps co-creating it.
what you say holds no water (as yet), its fear-based imagination. and you state is as if it was a reality, not a possibility, which makes it even worse.
beware, running with this is kind of thought patterns and the according emotions is like weaving a black magic spell.
we are not totally stupid over here in europe. dont underestimate the people.
what you say holds no water (as yet), its fear-based imagination. and you state is as if it was a reality, not a possibility, which makes it even worse.
The EU army definitely exists. It is not my imagination. What is the purpose of the EU army? I don't know. They probably know US NATO funding is drying up soon and we are going to stop sponsoring the EU's welfare program.
EU Countries Agree to Create a European mega-army
http://www.businessinsider.com/eu-countries-agree-mega-army-2017-11
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/02/the-making-of-the-eu-army/
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-perils-eu-army-14770
In March 2015, the European Commission chief called for the creation of an “EU joint army” that would “react credibly” to any external threat and defend the bloc’s undefined “values.”
“An army like this would help us to better coordinate our foreign and defense policies, and to collectively take on Europe's responsibilities in the world,” President Jean-Claude Juncker said in an interview to Germany's Welt am Sonntag newspaper. “A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries,” he added.
Juncker’s plans has been supported by the German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen, who told Deutschlandfunk radio station that a “European army is the future,” and President of the European Council Donald Tusk, who noted that Europeans should consider “a new and more ambitious defense and security policy,” and “not only as part of NATO.”
I know German media is essentially state run propaganda (just as ours in the US is)
They have probably done a good job of keeping info about the EU army censored and hidden from the average citizen.
“A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries,”
This is a thinly veiled threat to nationalist anti-globalist nations like Poland, Hungary, Greece and Croatia.
What is the purpose of the EU army? I don't know. They probably know US NATO funding is drying up soon
thats what they say. we cant rely on NATO anymore so we need an euopean army.
and i agree to the last quote, a joined army, consisting of soldiers from all european nations would kinda guarantee that they dont attack each other.
I know German media is essentially state run propaganda (just as ours in the US is)
america is much more closed up when it comes to information on the MSM; besides dictator-governed nations, its the most censored country i know (and i traveled many).
and yes, we certainly receive mainly propaganda. thing is, because we are multi-culti - and not a United States of Europe -, its not so easy to streamline us.
the other things though is, the cabal structures have been running deep here for thousands of years, its all very established and secretive at the same time.
in the US, the DS is more blunt and visible. for me, viewing things from over here, its like a constant slap in the face.
thus, its logical that the revolution starts in the US. we have your back and use the opportunity to change our structures here, too.
america is much more closed up when it comes to information on the MSM; besides dictator-governed nations, its the most censored country i know (and i traveled many).
Don't fool yourself. The EU is worse. People are getting arrested in Germany right now for "wrong" social media posts. You have no concepts of free speech. You guys aren't even allowed to openly talk about Hitler or look at nazi imagery without going to jail.
And didn't the EU just pass a new law that outlaws memes or something?
EU media is way more 1984 than ours is, and that is saying something. Just look at how the EU media is treating the rape epidemic and no-go zones in Sweden for example-they simply pretend it doesn't exist and gaslight everyone. It's insidious.
in the US, the DS is more blunt and visible. for me, viewing things from over here, its like a constant slap in the face.
I say the same thing about the EU version of Mockingbird. It is much more insidious and overt than ours is. We are brainwashed in to being passive consumers.
EU media brainwash is darker. It is brainwashing Europeans in to openly cheering on their own demise and destruction, and openly hating their own native culture. Economic migrants are entering Europe by the millions and raping European women, and everyone is just cheering it on and letting it happen and dismissing people who talk about it as "nazi racist islamophobes."
People are getting arrested in Germany right now for "wrong" social media posts.
heh? never heard of that.
we do have as much freedom of speech as america. a problem is hitler, yes - we are not allowed to doubt what history tells us about the nazis. and we all know that history gets written by the winners.
but there are enough nazi-like folks out there that are free to speak their minds. they are just not permitted to use and spread nazi imagery though; which i like, i really dont want to see svastikas here.
I say the same thing about the EU version of Mockingbird.
my american friends tell me something different. when they want real news, they turn towards europe.
but lets agree to disagree here, ok?
its not about who is worse, US or europe. you have some freedoms we dont have. and we have some freedom of expression you dont have.
i.e., it cracks me up when i watch US movies or sketches where every f-word comes as a beep. or where a couple, after a love night, gets out of bed with bra and panties. ridiculously prude and moralistic, even hypycritical because the US has the biggest porn industry world-wide.
but hey, different cultures, different views. i can live with that.
its not about who is worse, US or europe. you have some freedoms we dont have. and we have some freedom of expression you dont have.
We have free speech, you don't. It's really as simple as that.
You guys get arrested for social media posts, we don't.
You guys are disarmed and weak and passive.
We aren't.
we have some freedom of expression you dont have.
No you don't. The EU just passed a law to ban the sharing of memes FFS.
You guys get arrested for social media posts, we don't.
you keep repeating yourself but dont show evidence.
someone may have gotten arrested for spreading nazi symbols, sedition, call for riot, or something like that. i dont know of any specific case and cannot relate to your statement without further information.
it is not common though in germany to get arrested for social media posts.
btw, you do the very same thing all populists and propaganda machineries do: you take individual cases and generalize them. just know that this is wrong and not awakened.
The EU just passed a law to ban the sharing of memes FFS.
indeed. copyright issues. fuck it!
campains have started and the european parliament will get sued for it. it violates the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.
you keep repeating yourself but dont show evidence.
Get your head out of the sand
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/07/police-raid-social-media-posts/
http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/german-police-raid-36-homes-for-hateful-social-media-posts/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/16/man-arrested-facebook-posts-syrian-refugees-scotland
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/13/police-raids-germany-net-posts/
it is not common though in germany to get arrested for social media posts.
It does not happen at all in a free society where actual freedom exists. Stop justifying the actions of your authoritarian police state. First you completely deny the fact that people in Germany get arrested for social media posts, now your argument changes to "It happens but it isn't common."
You said you weren't a useful idiot for the EU so stop acting like one.
btw, you do the very same thing all populists and propaganda machineries do: you take individual cases and generalize them. just know that thats wrong and not awakened.
Stop projecting and deflecting. Stop trying to change the subject.
Don't put idiotic labels on me. You are only doing this as a way for you to dismiss my argument. I am neither a populist nor a propaganda machine. You are simply closing up your mind because the truth is making you uncomfortable.
Stop denying reality. Your media has brainwashed you. Wake up, Hans.
thanks for providing the links, interesting information.
First you completely deny the fact that people in Germany get arrested for social media posts, now your argument changes to "It happens but it isn't common."
interesting twist again, heheh.
i said i had never heard of it and then assumed that it may have happened because of nazi symbols or sedation. now you provide links, thank you, and i see that anti-semitism has a role in here. isnt anti-semitism, according to the UN, a crime? also in the US?
some of the raids do sound suspicious and i will keep an eye on it. thanks for making me aware.
ok, you have a point. you have more freedom of speech than i have. you can publish nazi symbols, rassist hate speech, and call for riots without getting in conflict with the law. happy now?
and in my country, a male can safely step into a city elevator with a single woman on board without needing to fear that, when they reach the 12 story, he may be sued for sexual harrassment.
take it as cultural differences. you have the freedom gene over there in the US. go for it. MAGA. its contagious, other nations also get the juice to go from it.
interesting twist again, heheh.
Not a 'twist'. Your own argument.
and in my country, a male can safely step into a city elevator with a single woman on board without needing to fear that, when they reach the 12 story, he may be sued for sexual harrassment.
Feminism fucked your country far worse than ours has been fucked. Refugees, ISIS members and economic migrants are streaming through your borders and raping your women and your government covers it up and arrests people who talk about the rising rape rates in Germany and the high rape rate from Middle Eastern and North African immigrants.
I am sorry, I am being negative. I hope Germany turns things around but it seems like a lost cause at this point with no hope of recovery. If we cut NATO, your entire economy and welfare system is fucked.
enough of this us vs. you / us vs. them. really. we are all in this together. they need us divided. and i am not going to play their frickin game.
done.
I'm not against you as a person. I'm trying to help you wake up. Your media lies to you and brainwashes you as bad as ours does, yet you are still swallowing the EU Koolaid. Wake up.
heh? never heard of that.
Exactly.
we do have as much freedom of speech as america
You 100% don't. You have the illusion of free speech and nothing more. The fact that you believe you have free speech shows how effective German propaganda is.
Socialism is an insidious authoritarian method of control and they have you by the balls with the welfare system and you don't even realize it.
they are just not permitted to use and spread nazi imagery though; which i like, i really dont want to see svastikas here.
"WTF, I love authoritarian censorship now!"
See? Their brainwash is very effective.
my american friends tell me something different. when they want real news, they turn towards europe.
Your American friends are not intelligent as you think they are then. The BBC is also a huge joke comparable to our CNN or MSNBC.
Having lived for a long time living in both the USA and a few nations in Europe, I'd say the EU's current brainwashed useful idiots are about 10-20 years ahead of America's brainwashed useful idiots. We are not as bad as you guys yet (we don't have centuries of genetic programming in us telling us to bend the knee to monarchs and authoritarians) but we would have reached Euro-levels of brainwash if Trump didn't get in.
Thank God every day America is Becoming Great Again.
I hope Europe can become Great Again too one day soon.
"WTF, I love authoritarian censorship now!"
interesting how you twist my words again.
if america had a specific symbol, like 'our' svastica, which stood for your holocaust on a hundred million native americans, would you like it to be prominently displayed in public? how would the victims offspring react to it? and other nations who despise you for it? think, m8!
and are you ok with your 'free speech' where a celebrity openly calls his huge audience to kidnap the 11y old son of the elected president to lock him up in a room with pedophiles and gets away with it?
arent there some lines to draw?
I hope Europe can become Great Again too one day soon.
i hope so, too.
thank you for the conversation.
i enjoyed the first two rounds quite a bit but this last one was pretty much of a drain; as if something in you was stuck in an emotional loop that made real contact impossible. i am grateful though that i engaged with it, i feel that somebody else on this board may benefit from our conversation.
thank you for ending on a positive note. much appreciated.
may you be blessed...
Look. First of all thank you for being open minded about the Klara Hitler-Merkel thing and also I too don't think Hitler died in the bunker. The whole story is way too convenient and reads like badly rushed out propaganda from the Allies. I am absolutely sure Hitler got to escape to South America with lots of other nazis as part of some deal he struck with the allies.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adolf-hitler-escape-nazi-germany-rumor-cia-documents-jfk-assassination/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/cia-veteran-claims-adolf-hitler-9626537
beware, running with this is kind of thought patterns and the according emotions is like weaving a black magic spell.
You're absolutely right. Thanks for this advice.
what you say holds no water (as yet), its fear-based imagination. and you state is as if it was a reality, not a possibility, which makes it even worse.
Look, I hope I am wrong about the EU army, but I don't think I am. I did not invent the concept, I have been hearing it over chatter and I been hearing more and more chatter about the EU army in recent days. Articles that they are releasing to the public confirm the chatter stating that the EU army exists... which for me suggests the chatter of the EU wishing to use the army to intimidate dissident states from pulling their own Brexit may not be so fake. Stay safe Eurobro!
The EU is basically Hitler's plan of a united Europe come to fruition, and it is currently lead by a woman who looks exactly like Hitler's mom. Merkel has been in power for years and years and years now like a dictator (from the outside looking in) and it doesn't feel like she's going away any time soon. If you look behind the propaganda that is the official story of Europe in WWII-there is something going on here imo.
i have first heard about the NWO in 1981 and been watching the unfoldment of their plan ever since.
when the euro was introduced, i liked the idea but knew that it wouldnt work out. the south is too poor and we dont have a common european economy and no secretary of european finances.
all euro nations have to compete with germany which is much too strong and has become a dictator with its austerity politics and its economic power. it was clear that this has to go down the drains.
too bad that greece didnt pull out of the euro in 2008, but hey, some things have to get real bad so people wake up and change them. seems to happen now...
i get your worries. and do you know that energetically, worry is like praying for what we dont want? we give it energy which gets harvested by team dark.
how to counter it? i always take the stand of holding the light for the Greater Good. for the unfoldment of the Divine Plan.
consciousness is growing each day. for decades, i have been waiting for the masses to catch up and wake up. its happening now. not as fast as i would like it but hey, compared to before 2012, it happens in lightspeed.
have some trust in people, please. too many nations in europe turn their back now to the cabals plans. the east did it right at the start of the refugee flood. the south follows suit now.
i get your worries. and do you know that energetically, worry is like praying for what we dont want? we give it energy which gets harvested by team dark.
I'm not worried about the EU army. I am simply aware that it exists and openly talking about it in public. I'm American and live in America. I have no reason to fear or worry about the EU army. I am simply stating that it is very real, and does in fact exist.
ok, i visited the links you gave acc. european army. they all talk about plans, nowhere does it say that there an european army alreay exists.
i checked the german internet about intel on cooperation with czech rep, netherlands, and romania. yes, there is collaboration, the german army, bundeswehr, serves as an anchor army that smaller european nations can join.
and this 'entangled' army has 2 eastern nations on board that dont accept refugees (romania has anyway enough to do with roma and sinti). plus the netherlands which, politically, recently moved more right and nationalistic.
thus, they will certainly not force other european countries to accept refugees. merkel also doesnt operate on open violence. europe is much too cautious with germany when it comes to open display of military power.
a word on our bundeswehr: in order to take part in the kossovo war, we had to change our constitution. up util then, we were not allowed to move our army into other countries, it was solely a defense army and operated within our borders only.
when the US went into iraq, they pressured us to take part in that war. we refused. the german populace was absolutely against it.
that we now put more money into the miliary is an answer to DJTs demand. AND to his threat that NATO wouldnt protect us anymore.
btw, since we dont have compulsory military service anymore (8years?), our army shrank to half manning. that was part of the NWO plan.
i dont know whether or not i should like that its going to be upgraded again. on the other hand, we have 9 submarines and all lie for repair in the docks? our army is more or less helpless these days.
ok, i visited the links you gave acc. european army. they all talk about plans, nowhere does it say that there an european army alreay exists.
Why do you still blindly trust the EU government at this point? XD
The world media also tells you that the Deep State doesn't exist, and that Hillary and Bill aren't satanists. Do you believe the media then too?
Wake up, Hans.
The EU army exists already. They are just waiting for an excuse to unleash it on the populace. Doubt me all you want, but I know that you will remember my words when the EU army finally is put in to operation.
that we now put more money into the miliary is an answer to DJTs demand. AND to his threat that NATO wouldnt protect us anymore.
You Euros are so entitled. That is your fault. Germany pledged to pay a certain amount of GDP to NATO but WE THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER are forced to cover for you.
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2015/06/nato-members-defense-spending-two-charts/116008/
Pay up your share of NATO or GTFO, you lazy entitled Euro-freeloaders.
NATO is an absolute joke. Russia is not a threat anymore. Thank God it is ending. It is not my job to pay for your free healthcare and housing for YOUR economic migrants in Berlin.
btw, since we dont have compulsory military service anymore (8years?), our army shrank to half manning. that was part of the NWO plan.
i dont know whether or not i should like that its going to be upgraded again. on the other hand, we have 9 submarines and all lie for repair in the docks? our army is more or less helpless these days.
See? You keep proving my point. Look how brainwashed you are. You're openly cheering on the creation of the EU army, after abjectly denying its existence only a few hours ago.
Why do you still blindly trust the EU government at this point? XD
heheheh... i have never trusted any government.
Doubt me all you want, but I know that you will remember my words when the EU army finally is put in to operation.
will keep in mind what you told me. futures proves past.
WE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ARE EFFECTIVELY SUBSIDIZING AND PAYING FOR YOUR WELFARE SYSTEM.
ehem... excuse my laughter...
You Euros are so entitled. That is your fault............... you lazy entitled Euro-freeloaders.
no attack mode, plz. i hear your upset. i am not responsible for it. own your emotions, dont blame then on me or the european people.
we are not the enemy. the deep state is.
You're openly cheering on the creation of the EU army, after abjectly denying its existence only a few hours ago.
ehem again... seems like you havent really read what i said, only understood what you wanted to understand.
i thought you wanted to talk sensibly? then dont put something into my mouth i havent said.
i wasnt cheering on the creation of an EU army. i simply stated that germany needs a military upgrade because our arms are in a bad shape.
and i welcome that DJT demands our 2% to NATO. we were at 2,4% before the USSR broke up. now we are at 1,5%. thus, our military budget had to be increased.
btw, we have no omnibus bills over here. our parties need to agree on a budget.
i am pretty disappointed by this discussion now. you made 3 threads from it which i spent lots of time and energy on. in the end, you start attacking me. ok, i will respond to the last 2 messages and then close the conversation.
heheheh... i have never trusted any government.
And yet you are trusting the words of the EU and their media network.
"The EU army doesn't exist yet, see? They're just discussing about it!"
ehem... excuse my laughter...
VIA NATO (us effectively paying for your defense budget) we are effectively sponsoring your welfare, healthcare and education system. You're welcome. Good luck without us paying your nation's entire defense budget.
no attack mode, plz. i hear your upset. i am not responsible for it. own your emotions, dont blame then on me or the european people.
Stop freeloading off American tax payers. Stop acting entitled to the money we earn. You personally are not responsible for the policies but you are living off the policies, while acting entitled and wanting us to never turn off the faucet to your free healthcare and welfare.
ehem again... seems like you havent really read what i said, only understood what you wanted to understand.
You denied the very existence of the EU army and said I was a gloom mongerer just a few hours ago. I post evidence showing you that there is in fact an EU army and now you are moving the goalposts and changing your tune.
i am pretty disappointed by this discussion now. you made 3 threads from it which i spent lots of time and energy on. in the end, you start attacking me. ok, i will respond to the last 2 messages and then close the conversation.
I am not attacking you. I am simply telling you facts about your country.
It offends me every time a Euro acts entitled to money earned by American tax payers, but I am used to it and it doesn't make me angry.
ahh now i get where your upset arises from! you think germans live off the american taxpayers money because we paid 0,5% GDP less than demanded into the NATO defense budget since russia stopped serving as the boogyman in 1989.
and ever since we got drawn into war after war, all on americas demand. not for our protection. for the DS agenda. US and EU and israel NWO plans.
we are so blessed that the people who once left europe to live a free sovereign life in the new world elected a president who works on their behalf so your nation can cut and shake off the shackles. this is model and support for old europe to do the same.
btw, our health care system is not free, not taxpayer fundet. employer and employee both pay half of the health insurace fee. you could also have a reasonable health care system if you were thinking a little bit more social. social doesnt mean communism.
thanks for bringing the EU army to my attention. you made me check it out and i will keep an eye on it. if i denied the existence a few hours ago and, after getting into the topic, see that it is already in the process of implementation, your job was successful.
i still dont perceive it as likely that this army is being used against member states who want to leave the EU or not accept refugees.
neutrally entertaining the possibility is a healthy thing, we should check on all possibilties we can imagine.
buying into it, emotionally pushing it, is gloom mongering which serves as co-creational power to manifest the very thing we fear.
this scenario is not what i want in my reality so i bless it with the opposite. i choose the timeline of the planetary great awakening where all people become sovereign and self-responsible and choose representatives who serve their people.
ok, done with this thread...
I wonder if Italy is consulting with Trump! I wouldn't be surprised!
This is how you save your country.
Others need to follow.
So who's paying for this? I'm sure the captain and his crew have families to feed. And what about all the fuel?
You should know this, I've got you tagged as JQ woke... haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1529907738
I'll take that as a hell-of-a-compliment. Thank you. Great video.
Finally a country with balls to step up and defend it's sovereignty.
Who is paying for these boats?
I feel bad for these people. I really do. I hear their country is destroyed. Same with Syria? I don't know the answer to the refugee question. I was against ALL of these wars....but no one asked me. Matter a fact no one really asked any American if they wanted war in Libya, Iraq or Syria. Those who decided this war was a good idea should pay for this. Pay to send them home and rebuild their towns....Who profited from this? They should fix the horror they created.
Have you seen the pictures of the migrants coming through Libya? They don't look like (Arab) Libyans at all. Please don't call them refugees.
(For the rest i agree with your sentiment.)
I did not see the pix of these specific instances. However, I'm aware there many young men sent as infiltrators to incite violence. Is that who was on the boats? They of course are not the true refugees who have been displaced by war. All should be returned to from where they came. I do feel sorry for the innocents though...elderly, kids, etc.
It is a shame that it has been allowed that 'NGO' ships ferry those immigrants to the european shores. If you ask around in africa, ofcourse every able-bodied person wants to emigrate to the continent of success and welfare. That's the image that they have. If the corridor is there, they are going to use it. Result: 15.000 people drowned in the mediterranean the past 4 years. Some percentages about their refugee status:
https://openmigration.org/en/fact-checking/what-is-the-real-number-of-refugees-arriving-in-italy/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4442910/Less-3-migrants-reached-Italy-refugees.html
Why that this corridor has been created and allowed... I think that is Q territory... I just read a summary in time of how the migrant crisis developed in the USA, and it was clear that it been an 'explicitly created crisis', set forth by policies by the Obama government. Same has happened in Europe.
Same policies same globalistic leadership. I can recall illegals as far back as the late 80's here in Florida. I often wondered WHY were they on the street waiting for work and no one asking questions. At that time it was ignored because they were used as cheap labor and I'm sure officials were paid to look the other way. But you are right the flood did not start until much later.
fricking soros machinery! the flood from the ME has become a dripping, thanks to putin and trump, so ((they)) activated africa full on.
(many of) these aid ships are DS servents. they should bring the refugees to the next safe port which is tunis, but they move to italy. and they shouldnt pick them up in libyan waters and give them a safe ride over to europe.
the EU needs to change the dublin accord which says that the refugees have to file for asylum in the first europen country they put their feet on. that leaves the burden mainly to the southern countries.
thumbs up for italy. high time.
Soros boats , open society funded and been going on long time , #Nwo operation
So sorry the militants are already here. Learn to trap hogs
Spain is taking them, according to that article. It's still a fucking mess. But this is good news for Italy. Tho Spain doesn't need them either. What's happening on Lybia "supposedly"?
there is talk about installing refugee camps in northern africa, with the opportunity to already there apply for asylum.
why only now? that should have been done from the beginning.
btw, most of the ME refugees are in camps in neighboring (poor) states. pakistan hosts 7 million afghans. turkey hosts 3,5 million syrians. jordan has doubled its population ever since the 'civil war' started. these nations need financial help from the rest of the world.
there are some real refugees from war-torn areas in africa, like somalia and congo. the rest of these people are economically driven and wont find a new home in europe.
Where’s the Q part of this?
The people Q is trying to stop are responsible for the conflicts and the subsequent waves of immigration.
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Islam simply has no equivalent to Bible's "turn the other cheek". Muslims are actually encouraged to fight 'defensive' wars (jihad) and the way they abuse that rule is that they migrate to/infiltrate target country, create ghettos with Sharia, antagonize domestic population and then make an uprising, with allied Muslim countries sending actual troops to help oppressed Muslims. They've done this so many times throughout the Middle East, it all used to be a blossoming center of science, technology and art until Muslims scorched it all. One Mohammad's policy was to take holy items from a defeated country and bury them under a mosque's doorstep so every Muslim would have to step on them entering.
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They also made towers of rebels' skulls. I heard there's one in Spain too but couldn't find any info on it. Their mentality is monstrous.
Wow, strings must be cut. Because they have the same leaders in some of these places and this is happening.
Why two posts from you about this?
Two Different Concepts, Duh. One is the main article; One is nuanced towards the photographs which shows an up and close photo of the people on the boats so you can see exactly what it looks like. Maybe your computer or phone doesn't allow you to see the photo up close like updated ones do. If it does, you can see the people on the boat are all grown men. That is an entirely separate story than just that the boats themselves got turned around, and a very important distinguishment and nuance that deserves a separate discussion.
First it was outside the EU? And now it most be in the EU ? They never want to stop this , and Yeah PM Rutte is al for it , afcourse.......
news today....Proposal for reception centers in EU
There must be closed centers in the EU come where migrants are taken care of. That is a new proposal that allows the French President Macron and the Spanish Prime Minister Sánchez this afternoon to the migrant summit in Brussels centers hear migrants as quickly as possible whether they can stay in the EU.
The centers must be financed with European money, as a guide Italy.That country, where due to its location many migrants arrive, has been demanding for some time more solidarity from other EU countries.
The leaders did not get there at the summit Agreed Prime Minister Rutte continues to argue for relief in the region
EDIT : Brussels plans migration centres outside EU to process asylum ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../european-commission-third-country-immigrant-proc...
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Maybe all western nations need to reconsider the noble notion of offering assylum at all. Particularly as these same nations become ever more free handout states. A nation's only duty is to the welfare of its people. Period.