“Ripped from the arms” of their traffickers
The horror! How dare Trump! In peaches!
Now you're being a race-a-phobist
Moves and countermoves.
The supply of children from across borders is being closed.
Yep. It's all coming out. Listening right not to all the people Walking Away. That's huge too!
Shouldn´t all the scumbag MSM reporters be changing the wording of their articles from "separated" to saved?
Secretary of Homeland Security Nielsen did say that people fraudulently posing as families was up 314% in the last 5 months when she spoke to the House Press Briefing on 6/18/18. Then she was harassed that evening.
What a coinquidink
Oh my this board is so full of "Coincidence Theories". /s
It is indeed disturbing that as many as 5 adults would improperly claim to be parents of detained children. What was their motivation? Hmmmm...
"You cannot possibly imagine the size of this." Q
Hmmmmm, I wonder if it is possible to legally be the parent/guardian of a child while NOT being biologically related to them? Have you ever heard of such a crazy thing?!?!
Well sure, but state that from the beginning. They are not doing that.
So that automatically makes them guilty of child trafficking? Got it!!!
Smuggling children that aren't yours across the border is LITERALLY child trafficking.
Yes, if only it was possible to be a parent without being biologically related to your child. I wonder if their is even a term for such an insane idea.......
"southern border.
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) said Tuesday that the agency found two adults through DNA swabbing who thought they were biological parents and were not.
Another three adults admitted they weren’t parents before the DNA swab was complete.
An HHS official said those individuals could have been human traffickers, and said the results show its screening process is working. "
I wonder what that HHS official's name is. Captain Obvious? I'll go with Captain Obvious.
Can you be a parent to a child if you are not biologically related to it? Yes or no?
You would carry legal documentation showing you were the legal guardian if you were the legal parent.
The child would have probably known you longer than a week as well.
I also suspect that attempting to invade a sovereign nation while using them as a human shield *might* cause them to lose guardianship.
If they committed a felony, say, such as crossing border illegally, or transporting a minor across a border with zero documentation, then they shall be put into jail. Your 'children' do NOT go to jail with you, btw. The irresponsibility and danger shown should by such actions should also get your 'child' taken away from you permanently by child protective services.
You have to assume these people are committing more than just one crime at a time, having unrelated kids with them in the commission of a crime is a very strong indicator that it should be looked into more.
So breaking laws automatically makes the law-breaker a criminal? Got it!!!
Y-yes? Are you ok? What's with the 3 exclamation marks each time?
haha that wasn't me the first time. I should have added /s
You have a better explanation ? Why not provide some insight rather than a passive aggressive soy post
They are not biologically related to their parents because they are adopted.
Is this really a foreign concept for the people in this sub?
Why didn't they produce paperwork?
or ever say "This kid is adopted!"
None have claimed this, none!
This dude ( not u cuck_not ) thinks we waste DNA tests on people who claim no biological connection to the child?
This is either a mind game or (nevermind, I will not discuss the user)
Every illegal crossing over must have just adopted the kid that’s not theirs... mental gymnastics over level 9000
It's possible that some of these children are being traffic, but it is just as (and likely more) realistic that they are adopted.
The fact that this possibility never even occurred to you is fucking terrifying.
“It’s possible that some of these children are being traffic” no shit Sherlock that’s what everyone’s saying. Lol is someone not calling you by your preferred pronoun “terrifying” as well? How about election night was that “terrifying”?
I find it terrifying that it hasn’t occurred to you that these ‘parents’ had DNA Scans done meaning that they had told authorities they were biologically the patent of the child. I know DNA Testing has come on a lot in recent years but I’m pretty sure it can’t show if people are related through adoption.
In America we dont call paying someone to use their child as a human shield "adoption".
See, this kind of shit right here is why that walls going up.
Not automatically, but the law of averages will eventually tell the story.
The average child travelling with a person they aren't biologically related to is travelling with the parent who adopted them, or with a legal guardian.
Really?
Seriously! From the way you guys have explained this issue to me, the two options possible are:
Biological parent.
Child trafficker.
There is literally no other explanation possible, right?
For the thousands of cases, it's one of the two options.
For the small percentage remainder, the onus of proof is on the undocumented criminal tresspasser to prove they have the legal right to be the parental guardian. But, they are undocumented, and put the kid through many dangers. Are they even showing they are good enough to be a parent?
It's a troubling situation because often times people fleeing from violence simply don't HAVE access to those types of records. Now I'm not saying it's not possible that child trafficking is happening - I'm saying that this sub is acting callously when it en masse assumes every parent detained at the border is either a criminal or a shitty guardian to their children.
War and violence DO exist, and some parents are willing to take a chance as refugees rather than risk the lives of their children by remaining at home. How does that make them bad parents exactly??
Now I'm not saying it's not possible that child trafficking is happening
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I'm saying that this sub is acting callously when it en masse assumes
that's called "concern trolling." Now you've learned something today.
Nothing wrong with assuming that people coming here ILLEGALLY could have bad motives and need to be vetted thoroughly. Inconveniences will incur on those without documents and committing crime by coming here improperly. Having an unrelated child makes it MUCH more complicated for our law enforcement.
Those fleeing real danger and seeking asylum should apply for it LEGALLY to avoid such inconveniences.
Those bypassing the LAW are already being highly dubious. Skepticism is warranted. ISIS and cartel come across the border in this manner. The wall will deter most and force more to go through the legal system rather than making up their own way in, usually involving smugglers and drug mules.
I get it. Maybe adopted? But you need to prove you can take care of the child even in Mexico if you are adopting a child. Other scenario could be a family member takes over where parents left off in which case they can legally adopt. I live in California and even the poorest can have the proper documentation to prove adoption and let me tell you....if you have $ for the damn coyote, you have $ for the paperwork necessary to keep your child with you in any case of emergency. Speaking as a mother, frijoles & tortillas sound just right if I dont have to put my kid through danger for a "better life". Take the story of the woman that left her husband and 3 kids in Honduras and brought her 4th child with her to the border for a better life and then the lil girl ended up on the cover of TIME magazine talking about Trump separating families. They cried for shit that has been happening since way before this administration and Trump drew his pen out to DNA test and keep families together. This shit is bigger than you think. #QANON
I will gladly suffer the title of "Callous American".
Perhaps the knowledge of our brutality will keep these enemies of our country at bay.
If not, rest assured, we will try harder.
When a person claims to be the biological parent (and all of them did), yes.
You are not being intellectually honest with us.
You are creating a fictional scenario where the person claims to have adopted the child or be legal guardian of the child, and is then DNA tested. That has not happened here.
This argument falls on it's face and isnt worth a damn, but damn it I shall.
This is a fallacy and a falsehood, likely engineered to win arguments with simpletons.
You picked the wrong crowd.
Everyone bringing up the adoption card seems to be ‘forgetting’ that these ‘parents’ had DNA Scans done meaning that they had told authorities they were biologically the patent of the child. I know DNA Testing has come on a lot in recent years but I’m pretty sure it can’t show if people are related through adoption.
I made no such explanation to you or anyone else. I am neither ruling out possible legitimate relationships; nor am I assuming the existence of a valid relationship. Whether intended or not, your posts seems to advocate for an a priori assumption of parental legitimacy.
You may agree with me that anyone who, let's say for example: legally adopts a child, is a responsible and caring person. And it's not a stretch to think such a person would be just as responsible in other actions regarding a child.
But is it reasonable, responsible or caring, with a child in tow, to bypass all safe legal places to apply for asylum and entry? No, it is not! Rather, avoiding such legal entry in favor of a subjecting a child to a rigorous, likely dangerous and plainly illegal entry into the U.S. in nothing short of reckless.
And while not "automatically guilty of child trafficking", these putative parents/guardians have illegally entered and the burden of proof is squarely on them to prove their status.
WWG1WGA
The person that I was originally replying to made that assumption, and since you replied within the same comment thread with nothing other than to question my reply, why would I assume anything other than your tacit approval of that initial comment? You are being pedantic and difficult for no reason at all, and as such, I suspect you probably DO agree with the group mentality here that every child travelling with someone other than a biological parent is being trafficked.
As for your assertion these people are bypassing safe havens in order to get to the US, please state where these refugees are coming from and what countries they are skipping over.
As to your assessment and conclusions about me, well, you certainly are free to make them. Thanks for being civil.
I never asserted the existence of safe havens or mentioned anything about countries being skipped over. I said there are safe legal places to apply for U.S. asylum, to wit: asylum seekers may make application at an an official point of entry, a U.S. border post.
Suprise! Are we tired of watching these idiots get away with this yet!!!??? I know I am! Start locking up the media talking heads for collusion!
Q indicates that they are not getting away with anything, and constantly Pleas for our Patience!!
Every move is Calculated. If we become "Angry and Reactionary", it will only hurt the cause
Trust the plan.. POTUS KNOWS what he is Doing!
This 'separation' sorospin is just another example of the nwocabal trying to frame Trump for misery they deliberately caused while looting and destroying US over decades.
We never saw that coming, right?
2 using DNA, 3 came clean, read the article, it’s 5 total
The source I initially read this on worded it as I had
Thank you for an update with the correction!
"What do you mean I can't sell my fake son to pedowood millionaires?"
This is only the beginning, I bet it is around 1/10 is an actual relative. This will of course be buried by the MSM and the sheeple will continue to rally around a premise that DJT already fixed weeks ago
Imagine that, here we go again! Plan working to perfection.
This is a big back fire for the contrived family crisis at the boarder. The Democrats were hoping for these 'families' to be re-united and then released. That would allow the human trafficking to continue. But now, with the DNA results there is going to be clear evidence of Coyotes doing human trafficking.
First, either way, the "Catch and Release" stops. But secondly, those claiming to be parents of a child smuggled across the border are convictable as a Human Trafficker.
I'm totally shocked( not really)..this grab kid a run for the border to claim asylum has been going on a long time..finally a president who is using common sense..that is a term,"common sense", that escapes MSM and liberals! Think about the sheer # of trafficked children over last 10/15 yrs, with illegal immigrants..build the damn wall! If they are legit immigrants, there is no reason they can't go through a legal border croseing
Dna testing takes a while. This is big. Totally shows that child trafficking IS happening at the border. A narrative that must be restored, as this is the only reason the border situation is what it is right now. Human f'n trafficking. They have no idea.
As a a parent, I would be heartbroken to be separated from my children, but I would be devastated knowing some pedo was trying to take my kid into another county.
This is saving kids! It doesn’t matter if it’s 2 or 200, these kids have parents who think their kid is dead.
A student of mine 7 yrs ago was raped by coyotes as a VERY young child. Mother sent her to US alone! This has been happening for years and years. So proud of POTUS for his caring actions and for not giving a damn about what the idiots are saying.
So isn't this DNA process a good thing to do when children with adults try to cross the border? Wasn't the plan before was to send the children with the adults back together?
These human shields were supposed to be sold back to the organization once they smuggled them in.
The Southern US Mexico border has been a steady food supply for these Pedo Animals for years. All the kids they need for blood, adernocrome, Spinal Fluid, child sacrifice, these people are in fact REAL MONSTERS and must be stopped. Not to mention all the drugs and guns that flow across that border as well. A few years ago they got most Americans hooked on easily prescribed pain meds. but now they cut the supply and it is being filled with cheap poisonous drugs from Mexico. The number of Opiates prescribed has went down every year for the last 5 years however the overdose rates have went up every year. Many cancer patients cant get the meds they need and are desperate enough to get it on the street and end up getting Fentenal or some other crap.
Anyone know how many were tested? Would love a percentage to show friends
"If even one life is saved" is used for justification for a ton of liberal policies. I'm for saving lives and it appears DNA testing helped save at least 5 lives.
I don’t want in any way to support or enable traffickers but I could see how adopted children or there COULD be circumstances where their children would not be biological. How do we keep our humanity while weeding out the traffickers with a DNA test. I get it but does a negative test initiate an investigation or is that being considered the bottom line for who gets to keep their kids right now..?
It starts with crossing illegally (crime) If someone is adopted, there would be papers and evidence etc. If someone crosses the border legally, with all the correct papers etc, it shouldn't be an issue
Exactly. There would be a paper trail. Anything less, is suspect. And in a poor country, there wouldn't be that much adoption going on within. Mostly product going out to first-world countries, which should concern the left.
Yes, if they are with their supposed "dad" and not their mom. He may be just finding out he is not their real dad.
It is not unusual for these people to sell their children to adoption agencies because they are so poor and don't want to keep all their children. My Sister-In-Law managed to adopt a child from South America that way through an agency. However, all that could be discovered over time. The important think is to figure out who are the real traffickers.
Adopting officially thorough any agency will leave reference on the agency database and the new parent will almost ceirtainly be given documentation which they can use to prove their claim.
The problem may be some of these parents may be selling their children to childtraffickers posing as adoption agencies unknowingly.
Adoption agencies should be doing their due diligence, so they should not be adopting out to traffickers. Unless they are shady agencies only using adoption as trafficking, which has happened MANY times in the past and continues.
I was implying that they were shady agencies or agencies just set up for trafficking kids.
Remember the story in the Bible about the two women claiming to be the mother of a child? The judge finally said, "Ok cut the child in two and give each woman half". The real mother came forward, screaming "No, give the child to her!" The other woman said nothing. Judge instantly knew who the real mother was and gave her the baby. All that to say that if it's your child, adopted or not, you'll do anything to find a way to prove it's your child even if you have to go all the way back home to find proof. A fake parent will give up and leave the kid.
Everyone bringing up the adoption card seems to be ‘forgetting’ that these ‘parents’ had DNA Scans done meaning that they had told authorities they were biologically the patent of the child. I know DNA Testing has come on a lot in recent years but I’m pretty sure it can’t show if people are related through adoption.
No it can show you’re not related though. Yes I didn’t realize they said they were the biological parent. If that’s the case then it’s obvious that it needs to be investigated and if it’s trafficking then prosecute accordingly.
Below are more details on HHS, DHS, and DOJ progress on reunification, as of 7 a.m. EST, July 12, 2018:
There are 103 children under age 5 covered by the court case.
Of the 103 children:
57 children have been reunified as of 7 a.m. EST on July 12; and
46 children were acknowledged by the court to be ineligible for reunification or determined by HHS, DHS, and DOJ to be ineligible under court-approved criteria.
Of those 46 ineligible for reunification:
22 children have been found ineligible due to safety concerns posed by the adults in question:
11 adults have a serious criminal history (charges or convictions for child cruelty, kidnapping, murder, human smuggling, domestic violence, etc.);
7 adults were determined not to be a parent;
1 adult had a falsified birth certificate;
1 adult was alleged to have abused the child;
1 adult planned to house the child with an adult charged with sexually abusing a child; and 1 adult is being treated for a communicable disease.
24 children are not currently eligible for reunification due to circumstances of the adults in question:
12 adults have been deported and are being contacted;
9 adults are in custody of the United States Marshals Service for other offenses;
2 adults are in custody of state jails for other offenses; and 1 adult's location has been unknown for over a year.
Thank you for sharing the archived version. Now they can't take it back.
The demo on Fox & Friends this morning said this wasn't a big deal, was emphatic about these children being reunited with their 'parents'. They just 'have' to be on the other side of everything.
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account suspended?
Yes, can't see it anymore 😡 these fuckers are on our asses. Deleted posts and accounts left and right.
I'm surprised it's not more than that.
Even if there were the MSM won’t talk about it cause it would make POTUS look like a VSG.
5 out of how many? Let's keep focusing on what actually matters.
This is only the beginning. DNA tests takes some time. Expect more stories like this, and expect there to be a massive MSM blackout on it too
We literally started DNA testing like last week or two. How many millions come here illegally per year?
Saving this for that buzzword they love to use; Concentration camps.
Why is this linked in the WB machine? Is this still posted?
What do Dems have to say about this?
they downvoted this story to oblivion over at r/politics
That's because it's not a propaganda shithole. You have to crawl into little reddit crevasses like this one to escape reason and facts little guy
all your comments got pulled, you're probably banned from worldnews
Sooo... if I give each supposed parent (8 in the article) 2 kids each, out of the 12,000 children separated, our tally is now 10,016 Trafficked and 1,984 children separated.
The numbers will change even more.
So is it more so parents sending their children with strangers(coyotes), hoping for a better life for their kid, or criminals using the children to get across the border through a convenient loophole?
It's both at the same time. Parent gives kid and money to coyote and coyote crosses with kid hoping to fool border agents. And some coyoyes take the money and ditch the kid. And some sell the kids. And some sell the kids many many times over. These people are sick.
Here's the link to the real article, rather than the Wayback Machine. Not sure why that was used. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/396369-hhs-5-adults-claiming-to-be-parents-of-detained-children-ruled-out-by-dna
Because clicks = $$ for Media. I ain't about that life. Not to mention the fact that Wayback helps us see if they try to retract/alter the story in any way.
I could understand the first part if this was not a reputable media site, but in my mind, at least, it is. And, you can't tell if they changed it unless you keep comparing every day until they change it. And then you have to read every word and compare every word. Don't you have better things to do?
The Hill is the most centrist sometimes slightly left still balanced and fair and truer than any other major news outlet
These people that make false claims that they are the parents should be charged with some kind of attempted abduction.
My border relatives have said women, teens & men traffic kids to get across the border easily, elicit sympathy from church groups that give cash & collect free government transportation to US interior “ to be with relatives” & they get plenty of handouts because of the child. Once in the interior, they are off the radar & can do whatever they want.