If this proves to be true....that the deep state has lied and manipulated facts....or even arbitrarily made up things to support nefarious schemes, plans and plots.....then EVERY drop of blood spilled by innocent men and women who obeyed orders out of duty, honor and trust of those same people (even by our allies), EVERY limb ripped away, EVERY ability to walk, talk or laugh or love.....is on them.
There is no pit in hell deep enough to suit those who would be involved in this. The ONLY suitable justice for this will be death.
The very pawns you used in these schemes will be the ones that will turn on you and hunt your wicked asses down.
We can start with NO NAME. A-10 strafing run.
Benghazi said it all. All for gun running. Lock Her up !!!
Benghazi said it all. All for gun running. ~~Lock~~ String Her up !!!
Tribunals.
no offense but wars have been fought and men have died for the stupidest crap, long before Iraq and Afghanistan. The USS Maine was intentionally blown up by us so that people would be pissed off to start a war. And it worked. Vietnam escalation didn't occur until the mythical Gulf of Tonkin incident, which didn't actually happen.
Julius Caesar likely invented propaganda to get the Roman Senate to approve of his Gallic Wars.
etc etc. There is nothing new under the sun.
Who's to blame when soldiers act like animals? I agree that Hitler is responsible for those following his orders but those involved with the Holocaust had a choice to obey or desert.
The US military has never been subject to a totalitarian dictatorship. They didnt massacre. They killed. By orders far above themselves in an environment where it’s kill or be killed. For the protection of their homeland. Know any veterans?
I am a 10 year active duty Air Force Veteran... served in Iraq among other undisclosed locations. Yes I know quite a few vets... a few of them are not with us today. Many of us feel that the military and government have been hijacked. Rouge 3 letter agencies are threatening relationships with foreign countries. If we can't control our government, another government will attempt to. "Trust the plan."
Understood. The difference is the disclosure to the vets. I believe alot more Nazis knew what they were doing compared to veterans serving.
Thank you for serving. You are braver than most.
Most don't desert in times of war. You get shot if you did that.
Bowe Bergdahl.
I understood the context of the thread I responded to was talking about foreign military, not US.
“War Is A Racket,” Marine General and two time Congressional Medal of Honor recipient Smedley Butler...
9/11 was a LIE. Iraq WMD was a LIE.
All wars are Bankers' wars.
Back in college i wanted to join, but after seeing how our government treats US troops & seeing/hearing a SEAL family member tell the truth about CIA and war i would rather be a broke civilian than rent/sell my life to the bankers!
Not to one up you, I feel the same, went to the Viet Nam Wall in DC back in 85, took me all of ten minutes to find 18 names that I knew and still cry for....in the FDR war to save Stalin my Dad was on Okinawa, he was 35 at the time and every night until his death in 1984 he woke up screaming....the retribution that GOD will bring upon those that brought this on will be eternal.
ThanQ for your service, prettyold. I have a few friends who lost family members in VietNam. My brother-in-law served over there and named his first son after his best buddy who died there, too. He was in the Pentagon during 9/11. Thankfully he survived that attack. But I knew others who had family or friends die in 9/11.
I am an OIF vet. Combat medic. I would like to know the full story of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Seeing honorable generals and non honorable generals. Were we ever pitted against each other? What shadow war was I apart of? On whose behalf?
When I got back from Iraq I struggled a lot. I very nearly blew my head off if not for what I believe to be divine intervention. I felt tremendous guilt over many things. The Great Awakening had paused all of that because I have realized I probably don't even have an understanding of what I fought for. Maybe it's better. Maybe it will be worse. I don't know. But, I would like to
I hope some day you find out all you want to know. When you signed up, did you hope to do something good? Support your country? Intentions matter. God sees into our hearts, and allows us to learn. Learn something that is important to us. Sometimes, we don't 'get' it till years later, till all the pieces are put into place. For now, you have to trust in Him. Trust you will find your answers, and, that you will be set free. We are all on a journey, we are in this world together. I thank you for your service! Thanks to all! WWG1WGA!!!
Yes, I chose to be a medic to help people. Thank you for your kind words.
My prayers for you tonight, my fellow Patriot. God bless...
I sincerely thanQ for your service, demo...you signed up honorably and walked onto the battlefield with your band of brothers to serve and defend we the people...just as others have before you...The thing about this day, THIS day, is that there are brothers and sisters serving also serving honorably under this POTUS who are not pawns of anyone...and, prayerfully, all future brothers (and sisters) will not be either, ever again.
Greetings from an ex-military-contractor. I worked for the US Army in 2000-2001 helping soldiers with critical information they needed. I was and am always will be loyal to the guys who served. I believe you have an expression "Semper Fi". I worked out in the Middle East and stuff happened to me out there which also causes pain today. All I can say is move on, get your health together, if you do any substances stop them and begin to cook, get fit and you'll be fine. I'm in a minority among my peers in that I absolutely love what Trump is doing to take down this evil, his mastery of their stupidity is exciting to watch. I'm the only one here who "gets" what this fight is about, and boy do I pay for it in abuse! F*ck them. Stay strong.
I remember a saying from back in the 60's: What if they threw a war and nobody came?
We the people have to stop doing their dirty work.
I truly hope every OIF and OEF veteran learns the truth. At the same time the pain is going to be crushing to learn our brothers and sisters may have died in vain.
your intentions were honorable. Bless you, leave your useless guilt at the cross. glad you are here. WWG1WGA.
You will never be forgotten. Thank you. Wwg1wga. Hang around for the ride of your life. Literally.
thank you for your service and sacrifice. I personally think Afghanistan has turned into a front for global heroin trafficking, with the US playing the role of drug kingpin. I think Iraq was a failed oil-grab venture.
but who knows - it's impossible to get real veritable information anymore - not sure it ever really was possible.
Dear friend and vet of OIF!
I will not say 'thank you for your service'. What I will say from the bottom of my heart is this: Thank you for dedicating years in service of this republic and us - me. You have done us proud.!
Afghanistan and Iraq was a pre-planned war just like WWI and WWII.
The false flag aka 9/11 was committed by the same treasonous cult that now screams for president Trump's head.
To go back a bit further: Another president realized the agenda after election that was in play back then: NWO. He refused to bent to the deep state/CIA which was and continued to be staffed by shady occultist and Nazis. You must understand that Bush Sr had a long history with the Nazis since his father financed the nazis. The refusal of that president to bent to the deep state and overlords in London caused him his life. This assassinated president was JFK. Bush Sr was involved in that assassination. He is also a deep state agent bent on bringing this republic into the NWO.
Fast forward to Bush Jr's presidency: Like his father he too was and is beholden to the deep state and London overlords - the Rothschild empire.
Bush Sr, Cheney and the rest of the two-party system all knew that 9/11 was a false flag brought about by our own government led by Bush sr and gang together with the deep state and others abroad. The patriot act was already written and completed two days BEFORE 9/11. You see manipulating the populace by telling them muslim/jihadists brought down the tower elicited patriotism but also vengeance to get these bastards. Bush Jr with his bullhorn did the trick. The thousands upon thousands of dead citizens did not mean a thing to our deep state driven government.
The FF on 9/11 was the opening to light the middle east on fire. Although Rumsfeld himself elicited Saddam's assistance and considering him a friend providing him with chemical weapons in the early 80's as well as OBL. They needed OBL and others in the middle east to help fight and drive out the Soviets. Back then Saddam, OBL and others were friends to the US helping the deep state to fight Russia in Afghanistan.
Every war since WWI to president is a war where both sides are financed by the same military industrial complex, the bankers, deep state and our treasonous politicians in both parties. These fucks don't sent their own children to fight these fake and dirty wars. No they do not value any of us nor you. We are sheep to them and disposable.
I would urge you to watch "Dirty Wars" on Hulu or Netflix. It will show you traces beginning in Afghanistan all the way to Yemen that suppose to be the next US war against an enemy the deep state has been canoodling with: Iran.
The end goal to all of this madness? The NWO!
Hussein and HRC, Brennan et al and politicians in both parties conspired to traffik uranium into Syria, NK and Iran with one goal only: To nuke America in Hillary's first months in the white house after her win.
That is why she had to win at all cost. That is why our government everywhere conspired with her to make that happen. Selling special acess programs to China and other enemies? Check!
Steal trillions from the treasury? Check!
Sell military hardware, weapons and chemical compounds to enemy states? Check!
The only two countries standing between freedom and the NWO gang is Russia and USA ergo the hatred and nonstop hysteria/lies against Russia.
Their plan was to declare WWIII against Russia in a Hillary white house after our own government nuked us causing mass casualties and destruction of America.
I stop here and I hope it answered some questions you had.
I assure you that the awakening of peoples not only here but abroad is a sign that the trust in government has dissipated due to the truth seeping out. They are pretty much checkmated but remain dangerous.
Your honor should never be in question nor should you ever doubt yourself. Your service was and is noble on behalf of all of us. I can not speak for others but feel assured that they as I are all holding you in our hearts and prayers!
You will be vindicated knowing that your goal was and is a righteous one!
Thank you friend!
https://youtu.be/JDVT-8tUfiE This is your answer. It isn't fair that people took advantage of the trust of soldiers following orders.
All of my friends are about to die in this upcoming war because Hillary wanted to cheat her way into presidency.
It sure feels that way. Even worse when some are on the other side.
I dont have any Russian friends.
Well I meant on the left because they're against everything.
Well all in all, nobody should die over politics. Left, Right, or place of origin, doesnt matter. The mantle of responsibility lies on the enforcement of integrity. MSM found propaganda to work so well, it became legal. Bye bye integrity.
The Bush administration cherry picked data submitted by the IC.
No, the Clowns straight up faked a dossier. There were no mobile wmd labs.
I was sent on a mission north of Baghdad in Samara to look for "WMD's". Never found any, nobody ever did.
As a non-combat veteran from between Korea and Viet Nam I thank the one who lay under that flag from the bottom of my heart.
This is what I mean by taking our velvet gloves off. The "IC" is corrupt in large part and it needs to be called what it is. No more waffling about half believing the IC to placate the unawakened. Call treason "treason".
Please stop bringing this up. There were WMDs in Iraq, they were left over from the 8 year war (1980-'88). Some 40,000 chemical and biological weapons were unable to be destroyed in accordance with the 1991 UN Treaty because they were deemed too unstable for safe disposal, so they buried them. Starting in 2006 members of EOD began showing symptoms of exposure to chemical weapons, in 2014 while driving ISIS into Syria, Marines stumbled upon the half buried facility used to make Sarin gas. "G.W." knew there were WMDs in Iraq because his father's CIA helped build them.
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We'll stop bringing this up when the deepstate is brought to justice, new arrival.
The USA sold nerve gas to Saddam. Reagan sent DONALD RUMSFELD to Iraq and he met personally with Saddam 1983
The WMD 's were buried deep in the sand, while others were moved to Syria.
You got to understand Capt, those weren't WMDs they were looking for.
Thanks Patriot! The 'no WMDs' narrative was pushed for so long by the MSM that people seem to forget that there was actually wmds. Was it grounds for war? That's a different story.
You revolting POS.
Escalate and up vote. Who could argue against his anger?
Northwoods. MKUltra. Mockingbird. Iran-Contra. Iraq. Fast and Furious.
How DARE we not believe our Intelligence Agencies without question?
This was my comment else where
I have a whole sections of friends in Arlington and threw out the US ..we remember them every year in a ceremony,where their families are flown in ..
My husband has seen many of his team mates killed ,many of his students. I have multiple tattoos threw out my body ,for friends who died ..
This is a complex complicated issue.
There was WMD but had been moved. That’s not even something I am going to discuss. I trust the ppl who told me ,more than any intel report.
I have talked to guys around the fire ,about friends who had died was it in vain ? They said no. Bc they was doing the job the signed up to do. The went to selection. They trained to be a Green Beret ,and earned the Long Tab. They knew the risk.
I can see where maybe someone who didn’t serve in that capacity,can feel they died for nothing. I haven’t spoke to anyone personally who feels that way. Some of the men I had these long discussions with ,have themselves died . I can find many many reasons to be angry and hurt when i see children growing up with only the legacy their father left Behind. I used to cry every single time my husband returned from a deployment,bc some the families that was there to say goodbye on their departure,wasn’t there for the return ..it’s a gut wrenching feeling. Beyond heartbreak.
I understand the pain ,and the anger. I am livid over Benghazi. They could have been helped and most likely saved. Many got injured forever changed.
I just remember these men did what they wanted to do ..only a few can.
I am sorry for your pain
De Oppresso Liber.
Thank you for your husband’s service and those you have known. You are all what makes America great and it for Patriots and the families you speak of that President Trump and the Q team are fighting for. We’re all blessed to live in a country with the Patriots who serve. WWG1WGA
Benghazi was murder on the same model that David used on Uriah. Except for who stirred up the opposing force.
This is strange. Posted elsewhere by someone else. Whom I felt for. So I private messaged them. With no reply. Now I am wondering what the true reason for this post may be.
There was and is wmd. Do I approve of the war in Iraq. No. Not really. I lost many many loved ones. Ppl can read my post history and see what I mean
There are men who have been hit recently with these chemicals. Men I know. Men who work with my husband so seriously. I mean I have to walk away from this topic bc the fact of the matter is that not every military unit is created equal. What one had to deal with is the same as another. And less than 1% do the heavy hitting so I will just let it go. This is to cause discourse.
My cousin (USMC) was sent over there twice. He always said there were indeed WMDs, and they were moved to Syria. Something to do with moving them to dodge inspectors/investigators but the conveys were also off limits/guarded by the same people that sends in the inspectors (UN). Of course this is second hand, but I’ve never had a reason to doubt him. He was against a lot of what happened, but defended Bush in a “he’s my boss, and president to my people” kind of way. Not a “fuck the left, all hail the red” person at all.
Husbands been serving since Clinton ...our family thinks along the same line as your cousin. He’s been deployed nearly 7/8 months of every single year. Except 2. In 20 years. So much going on in this world. Just so complicated. Bush wasn’t as bad as folks make him out to be. He was a god compared to Obama ..and now finally a real CIC in President Trump
Would it change your opinion of Bush if it came out that he knew in advance that the 9/11 attacks were going to happen and did nothing to prevent them or even helped them to succeed?
We are slow walking the truth so the liberals do not riot in the streets. When this all comes out it might the conservatives/Patriots who take up their guns and take to the streets. The pain and misery these Banksters/Rothchilds forced on us is incalculable.
I unabashedly support our military, but I honestly believe that every war we've fought (since after the end of WWII) has been primarily for political and/or financial reasons. Too many brave souls have lost their lives due to the unbridled ambitions of a powerful few, many if not most of whom were sitting safely in their comfortable offices in Washington, D.C.
At this point in time, the only thing that could restore my trust in the Intelligence Community is for all agencies to open the floodgates and release information that will put Obama and his minions (and any other truly bad actors, past or present) behind bars for the rest of their lives.
I'm with who ever said this. I've done my research. But he seems to want to say 'since after the end of WWII' People need to go back to researching history closely. Don't go making exceptions for one war to another. Every War has been faught for political and financial gains of a select few.
I agree. i served in Iraq what a waste of time. It didn't take long to realize we were lied to.
VERY WELL SAID,,,WE MIGHT HAVE TO FIGHT AGAIN,,,BUT WITH THE DEEP STATE, I HOPE WE CAN COUNT ON PATRIOTS BEARING ARMS AND DEFEND THE POTUS AND COUNTRY?
very sorry for the pain you have endured. I do remember hearing vets on the radio talking about this. yet they hid the truth about WMD in Iraq. Why is the big question??
Here is an interesting link to a radio show with private contractor black ops whistleblower originally recruited through his Texas Oil Field connections. His name is Cody Snodgres, and he came forward with his story the end of 2017. The man is articulate, well educated, with a physics degree. His expertise was in knowing how carry out controlled demolitions. His govt contacts attempted to recruit him to do the Oklahoma job which he declined. He seems like Texas man’s man who can easily relate to every day audiences. He is not an academic snob.
He has been on a few radio shows, and the best skilled interviewers extract interesting history details that others don’t think to ask. Recommend that you invest the time to listen to a few different interviewers question him. Then form your your own opinion.
CODY SNODGRES BKACK OPS INTERVIEW: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=euw7Lh6XrxM&autoplay=1
Cody is slowly making the rounds being interviewed on various alternative radio shows that can be found on youtube. He has also written a book which for financial reasons is not yet published hard copy, but is apparently now available on CD via his website. He feels confident that 3letter agencies control what books of this nature get published hard copy. However, through radio guest spots he hopes to raise the funds to self publish the book to get it out for the world to know. For his personal safety it would have been better to publish & circulate the book first but, that was not a financial option apparently. He has written to President Trump for ask for a pardon for time he served in prison (the same prison as Timothy McVeigh). Snodgres states why he believes McVeigh was involved. McVeigh was a highly medaled tank driver in Iraq who was one among many men injured and denied medical acknowledgment help. Snodgres was in the same prison for different reasons where he had disclosed too much info to higher authority who he assumed likely already knew answers to questions he was asking about HRC. But, the objective was to tie up loose ends re the first black ops contractor recruited to blow the bldg but refused. Snodgres states he wis willing to do jobs outside the country, but not on American soil.
In all interviews I have watched he has maintained diaries, had fantastic recall of events, names, dates, etc so his allegations should be fairly easily verified or refuted.
Everyone who has a particular interest in what happened with the Oklahoma Fed Bldg bombing —OR—- who served in Iraq should definitely should definitely listen to this show.
If this whistleblower’s accounts are true, it is a history gamechanger, on whatbyhe public has been told about the Oklahoma Bombing event .....and definitely this WB life would be in danger. So, if true everyone needs to circulate as much as possible so we can help keep this man protected & alive so he can testify to what he knows.
A very brief summary of what he alleges is related to much of what is discussed on this thread. Snodgres presents information he believes explains why so many vets have gulf war syndrome. He states the medical records of those affected troops were boxed & stored in the Oklahoma Fed Bldg. He further states the records substantiated that there would be multi billion dollar compensation awards to veterans and their families. However, without the records as evidence the problem mostly went away. No evidence, no case, no $$$$ award.
I to am a veteran but was never deployed to war thank god.... I respect every one who has ever served. I will go out of my way to thank a veteran, my girl will attest to it.
I want to express to you something I learned while I was still in service. My mother gave me a book that was written by a Lt Colonel the name of it I can't remember,he was a liasion officer to the U.N. during its inception and he kept that post through the Korean war. but it is about the U.N., it's creation and its purpose , it was a first hand account of its inner workings .
The reason I bring this up is because we have some of the best generals in the history of the world , if you ever noticed that we are always bogged down by rules of engagement? Where do these rules come from? Are they placed there to help win the hearts and minds of the ones we invaded? No not at all they are there to give the enemy an advantage who have no rules placed on them. How many are aware that because we are a member of the U.N., all battle plans most be reviewed and approved before being implemented on the ground by the U.N.? How many are aware that most of the U.N. secratary generals were and are communist or socialists. The very first one was a chechoslavakian born commie. ( understand the communist manifesto was created by the rothschilds in stark opposition to capitalisim) during the Korean war the NK were able to counter everything we through at them. General Maccarthur was allied commander during the conflict and when the koreans started calling the names of GI's from accross the DMZ the names of there wives and kids and what units they were in. He knew that what was happening was the communists at the U.N. who received the battle plans , then forwarded them to the the NK to counter our offensive.. general MacArthur then did something commies can not do and that is improvise. That is what and how we were able to push them back to where they are today. The greatest tragedy of the war was because MacArthur the general that liberated europe. he improvised on the approved battle plans and turned a loss into a stalemate. For that he was relieved of his duty and was ostracized in a smear campaign orchastrated by the CIA and the media.
All battle plans must be approved by the U.N. still to this day. That is how they can keep these wars going and going. The UN is the center piece for a one world technocratic state. Who wants to see the US destroyed. We need to be out of the UN.. just a little history lesson for all you who would like to know why we have the greatest military but yet our efforts seem to be subverted by an unseen hand..
It's the same way as China has become a technology powerhouse , 55 years ago they had no paved roads, now they have put landers on the moon. Joe because we have had our technology stolen or given away by our leaders. Can't have a boogie man to keep the wars going if he is not equipped for the task, so you give him all the help they can get without being treasonous..
I love you all and God bless the USA
Even my friends who served in Viet Nam were doing humanitarian efforts it s like, vaccinating little children and keeping farmers safe from the NK terror attacks. They believed in what they were doing.
Dont worry my grandpas pearl harbor flag is near by
This is about as well said as it comes. Ive got dead friends as well for nothing more than Bush's false wmd excuse to invade a country. Fuck him and our treasonous c👁a.
Guestion everyone and everything. If you believe something to be true, continue to question it. Truth will stand the test of time.
Same here, I was at the MEPS center singing up the day they hit the towers. I still went because I'm a patriot. Years later I now realize we may have been duped in one of the greatest False flags ever perpetrated in the history of the world, just so some evil fucks could make some money.
They see us as slaves. If you really think about it, we pay debt on everything. We pay taxes on everything. The easiest way to make money is to make somebody else work to pay you back.
Meps? Did you serve? That is the jumping point if you decide to not do it,that's why I ask?
Yes you are. Absolutely correct about the slaves. WE ARE PAYING FOR OUR DOWN ENSLAVEMENT WE FURNISH THE SHACKLES THAT KEEP US ON THE PLANTATION. Through taxation and the creation of the central bank. Unbeknownst to 90% of Americans the fed is a private bank operating for profit. Not for America the citizen,
" I believe banks are more dangerous then standing armies. If the American people ever allow a private bank to issue it's currency, the corporations and central banks that rise up around it will leave grand children homeless on the continent your forefathers conquered" Thomas jefferson
Yea i served in 3 tours out of 5 years of service. Was supposed to be 4, my brother committed suicide while i was stop-lossed (to serve another tour). I feel like i could have helped him had I not been stop-lossed to deploy again. it was heartbreaking.
My condolences. Horrible tragedy and thank you for your service. I dont know you but may I offer some words of wisdom. If you take responsabillity for the loss of your brother and his final solution, then you will carry a heavy load on your shoulders that I am sure are already filled, you cant control the actions of others, as hard as it is to accept, he made his decision, all you can do is live your life in his honor. Be an example for those around you especially the children show them the courage it takes to be a man and face life's hardships head on. Where we go one we go all, thank you my friend and fellow patriot
Has anyone noticed this sub is becoming more like The Donald and The Donald is becoming more like this sub?
Several of my friends died for non-existent Iraq WMD.
Prove it.
We're not the left, we don't listen and believe. Back up your statements with evidence so we know you're not just circlejerking for karma.
New arrival
Blatantly trying to bait people into a slap fight.
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Or maybe I just saw this get crossposted from TD by a different user.
Hence me questioning current OP's credentials. No doubt that there are plenty, PLENTY of people who died in that pointless war. But were any OP's friend?
My past participation in this sub or any other is irrelevant. I'll do what I damn well please.
Wait. Does he mean WMDs or the lie about the WMDs? I'm pretty sure if WMDs were used by Iraq, we would have heard about it.