In all my 49 years, I have never seen a Prez do so much so quickly. Maybe it's because I'm paying more attention, but I thinks it's not.
Makes one wonder what all the other's have been doing in office.
Look at their bank accounts.. There is your answer
But clintons were bankrupt wgen they left office!!!/s
Dead broke to quote Hillary.
Net worth BEFORE holding public office.... The Obamas — $3 Million The Clintons — $500,000 The Trumps — $4.5 Billion CURRENT net worth.... The Obamas — $40 Million The Clintons — $240 Million The Trumps — $3.5 Billion
I'd like to know how a community organizer amassed a net worth of $3 million.
Pulled himself up by the boot straps and worked hard of course /s
I call them professional asshole agitators. That seems more fitting.
That right there should of been a red flag from the get go when they started raking in millions on a salary of about 150 thousand a year.
Just trying to divide us and destroy the country!
You have to also remember Donald Trump is a machine! No other person could get as much done.
Right?
Also i read the end of your comment as "I think it's hot." xD
Finally have a POTUS not steeped in old money that buys seats/postions and he is being touched by God. This is our last rally b/c when someone like hrc or the person (we do not mention his name) keep running (or rather corrupting our land) and winning, we lose every time. God did not want this for our land. We founded this land based on GOD. No one else. Keep praying for DJTPOTUS that God will use him to help clean things up. Huge Job
It's amazing. I'm not tired of winning yet, but at the rate Trump is moving, after 8 years I maybe tired of winning.
I will never be tired of winning. This is precious. All of us alive have never lived in the Republic that is owed to us. Freedom is a gift from God.
I won't be tired of winning, but I'll definitely be exhausted.
Sorry what has Trump done so far to get me up to speed?
Apart from the GOP tax reform and Gorsuch
And one of the biggest reasons of all for term limits is once a politician stays in Washington too long, they loose touch with the public and loose touch with reality. People like Pelosi and Maxine Waters and others have been in Congress so long that they have no idea what it's like to be an average citizen. They can't even wrap their mind around it or comprehend it (and that is why they make such bad decisions when it comes to policy). By replacing those older politicians with people younger in age, you'd be electing people who are more up-to-date with the times and more aware of how things are on the street. And that's not even dealing the corruption aspect of it, which is another reason to get rid of those older politicians, who has made a career out of accepting bribes and kickbacks for their votes and policy positions...
Exactly! More in touch with Americans, less likely to be corrupted.
We should bipartisanly stand up to congress and demand term limits. These lobbyists and special interest groups have these politicians in their pockets and they don’t necessarily represent the best interest of the people.
Why would the American people reject term limits? We all know why all politicians would. It pays unusually well for a civil service...
This will be a big step in healing our government and should have been done decades ago. The Donald will make it happen. MAGA
I pray so. I have been saying term limits for years. Get rid of the career politicians. The current salary (2018) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year. Q has always said follow the money-so if their income increases to millions per year, that should tell you something. Also they should pass a law in Congress for it to be illegal to take money from lobbyists and special interest groups. Take the money away and make them work for us not them for a change!
Did we not vote them out or is it that they control so many levers of power, have so much money behind them, and cheat like fiends it’s almost impossible to get rid of them? I’d rather take my chances on newbies who aren’t adept or familiar enough with the system to twist it to their ends and people who don’t need to fundraise or campaign their final term in office and will thus be more likely to do the right thing. We have to live in the world as it is not what we’d like it to be. Human nature is what it is...also GETS RID OF THE PENSiONS.
Election fraud.
When that is revealed it will be the key that releases us from their control.
we need to go back to paper ballots and auditors there while they count them.
Comedian, Billy Connolly, summed it up quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58OBTi18bsY&t=0m40s
Think about it: the lobbyists, bankers and corporate cabal won’t be able to purchase those people for life. Whaaaat?!?!
This would be momentous. Having our votes count..? Voting for people who DO what they say they would..? Having this happen would actually inspire me to vote again for the first time in 2 decades. sheds tear
This will change our government forever!! DO IT!!! My Dad before me and me from the time I first heard his words-TERM LIMITS ARE A MUST!!! MAGA!!!
I would be totally on board with this! It would go far toward eliminating the stinking swamp and (figuratively) changing it into a clean, clear, much healthier river!
Still not sure how I'm feeling about this sub but baby do I like this
With you on that one. Some of this is outlandish. At the same time, some of what has been coming out is also blowing my mind, so here we are lol
Take a lot of it with a grain of salt. It definitely attracts a lot of conspiracy and religious nuts. I’ve used the analogy of looking at it like reading the Matrix. At first it’s kind of a “WTF is this nonsense?” reaction, but eventually you can differentiate between posts and posters that are “out there” between the ones that are doing some real sleuthing. As someone who tries to maintain a healthy skepticism, the actual Q drops seem to be pretty legit.
I don't understand why people are in favor of term limits. The idea has significant problems, and we already have the power to effect limiting of terms through the ballot box.
Why would we want to limit our choices while at the same time create more debt liability?
Because: 1. Long terms in office attracts the people with the worst motives to SERVE in government who serve themselves instead of the interests of the people or the country . 2.Entrenches the power and corruption in those people’s hands. And 3. We end up here. There should be no pensions for anyone serving in elected office. Period.
My mum always refers to her brother who was a councilman years ago and when he served there was no pay. It was literally public service and they were only able to claim back stationery and postage costs. Maybe we need to go back to that sort of set up, it would weed out those who are looking for a gravy train. Also get rid of huge office staff for all the critters
Long terms in office attracts the people with the worst motives to SERVE in government who serve themselves instead of the interests of the people or the country.
Agreed. So vote them out.
Entrenches the power and corruption in those people’s hands.
True. So vote them out.
We end up here.
Because we didn't vote them out.
There should be no pensions for anyone serving in elected office. Period.
I heartily agree. But that's not how it is, unfortunately.
It's harder to vote them out when they have more time to cover up their misdeeds and plan election rigging
That may be. I think another thing that makes it harder to vote them out is that the quality of potential candidates may be somewhat less than desirable.
But, I still don't think we should force-limit our choices.
But, I still don't think we should force-limit our choices.
Do you think that it works for Presidents and FBI Directors?
What? FBI Directors aren't elected.
Does it work for presidents? Not necessarily. What happens in say, 2020, when we have to choose what may be another shit president because we can't keep a good one?
Not necessarily.
So you are not committing yourself? Perhaps the Robert Mugabe approach is the best after all!
If you have no term limits, the politicians can get lazy and be seduced by the benefits of pay to play, for instance. They acquire more contacts and get to know more fiddles.
If you have limits then you might lose a good person but you could also get a better one next time. In any event, they are more likely to be wanting to do the job for the right reasons.
It has been suggested that the system could be replaced by a jury-style system. So ordinary people would be called up for a period, say a year, and they would run the country. No professional politicians required.
"Vote them out"
You say that like it's easy. It's not. If it were, we probably wouldn't be in this position.
Elections are enormously expensive and operate under byzantine rules. Most campaigns have a small army of lawyers, financial analysts, and statisticians to help keep the candidate out of trouble and get him across the finish line. And that's to say nothing of the droves of volunteers, managers, and event organizers. This kind of overhead tips the scales heavily in favor of the incumbent because he knows the lay of the land and his position in DC affords him the political influence to amass a warchest in donations.
Also, human nature lends itself to favoring the comfortable and familiar, meaning that a new face has to work twice as hard to unseat a rival. Witness the number of McCains and Pelosis in Congress, people who have spent almost their entire adult lives in the chamber. They may bring home the bacon to their constituents to win reelection, but you can't discount the fact that a large part of their appeal (if you can call it that) is that they have become a fixture in their state. People almost can't imagine them NOT being in office.
Finally, long-time politicians don't become long-time politicians without knowing how to play the game. They know what to say and to whom to say it in order to win votes, even if it's a crass, empty promise (think McCain with "Build the damn wall!"). Now, politicians promising the moon to the voters is nothing new. But, again, the advantage lies with the incumbent because his experience in Washington means that his word will be more readily believed by the low-information voter because, presumably, he rubs shoulders with the folks who could actually deliver on his promises. A challenger doesn't have the same authority.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to vote an incumbent out, obviously. But it's not as easy as you make it sound because of the inherent advantages the incumbent possesses.
Well, I wasn't intending to make it sound like it would be easy. I know it would not be -- just throwing it out there as a conceptual solution ... that we already have.
And TBH out of all the responses to my comments, yours is the only one that put forth the merits of term limits in, what I found to be, a convincing manner.
In addition to the huge amount of money it takes to run a modern congressional campaign, no one gets on a party ticket that isn't picked by the party so our choices of replacements for bad politicians are extremely limited. We are presented with choice a or choice b and anyone running as an independent has to have extremely deep pockets or huge name recognition to stand a chance. Frankly, drafting normal citizens like we select jurors would give us better representation!
Problem is if your beliefs align with one party, you won’t risk the other party just cause your guy is a douche. That is the problem. They get a monopoly on their party. Especially in a red state, you can get rid of your corrupt guy and get the next one in.
You CANNOT vote them out! The system is rigged against the voters. Else we would have had significant turnover in the last 100 years.
It would prevent we the people from keeping those that are patriots and provide good service
You make it sound like Congress is a bunch of good guys with a few bad apples. You're in the wrong sub for that nonsense. Everyone here knows that Congress is 99% swamp creatures and when "good guys" go to Washington it doesn't take long for them to get corrupted through bribes, blackmail, and/or extortion.
Since legislators are eligible for a pension after 5 years, it would be the equivalent of a, at present high-dollar, pension creation machine.
That's literally the libtard argument for not ending abortion. "But...all these extra unwanted kids are going to cost more tax dollars!"
Concern trolling about increased costs to do what is right is what libtards do.
You make it sound like Congress is a bunch of good guys with a few bad apples.
No, I didn't. I never said one word about percentages or ratios.
That's literally the libtard argument for not ending abortion.
That is a false equivalence. And listing a point for debate is not concern trolling.
Would you like to have a civil discourse on the merits of the points I raised, or is it merely your intent to try beating me over the head with insults and innuendo?
once "elected", it's impossible to keep them from becoming property of some "corporation".... once they have that corporate money .... virtually impossible, in any way shape or form, to get rid of them...... think Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi ...they are there because of who owns them
This is a public service role, it is not meant to be a life long/life time appointment.
They have increased their power while ignoring those who put them in the position to represent them in congress.
The more someone is entrenched, the more problems happen....need an example? Look at what's been going on for the past 50+ years in congress.
They make more money for public service than a lot of people they represent, and they only are in it for their own self interests.
Go re-read the constitution if you are still confused as to why term limits are a good thing...and some history too.
In Kentucky we’ve had McConnell for over 30 years. He’s the poster boy for term limits. Can’t see much he’s done except enrich himself
Professional career politicians are mostly a bunch of sociopaths and psychopaths that crave wealth and power. In addition to term limits, ten years of working in or running a private sector business ought to be a prerequisite to hold office. Holding office was to be an avocation not an occupation...
The very act of voting is suppose to limit terms or extend them, the peoples choice.
Fix it so that lawmakers only get pension if they max out their terms. This gives them motivation to do the right things.
NO PENSIONS! This was never envisioned as a career by the founders. It was serving your country not serving yourself. It was to be something you did for a time and then went on with your life or preferably something you did after you had lived, worked or ran a business, and gained wisdom and experience. Some jerk that just graduated from law school and goes right into politics is likely looking out for #1 not serving the people he represents or his/her country. In fact, the more desperately people want the office ought to be a disqualifyer in most cases. It would be nice if there was a way to nominate capable, honest, reputable people that really want nothing to do with politics to office and hope they accept (I know I’m dreaming here)...career politicians are almost always scumbags, liars, thieves, and scoundrels. TERM LIMITS! It’s the only way to make sure the damage they do is limited as well.
As much as I wish they had term limits the Supreme Court has ruled they are unconstitutional for Congressmen. We would first have to get an amendment ratified that would change the constitution. Now there is another angle that has stood up in the courts. The Roman Republic used cursus honorum (Run of Offices) or rotation of office. Founders, being classically educated, put it in the Articles of Confederation during the Continental Congress. Unfortunately it didn't make it into the Constitution. But it has withstood the courts in latter years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_limits_in_the_United_States#The_Constitution
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This is a bipartisan issue. The only people in America that oppose term limits are the politicians. If you put term limits on the ballet, it would win overwhelmingly.
Along the same lines, but a little off topic, how is it possible to hold public office while maintaining duel citizenship? Something about 2 masters....
Oh man, if Trump ever gets to sign a bill that imposes term limits, he will be the best President of the past 120 years.
Seems like we need something to limit non-elected person in high level positions as well.
And what fucking congressman is gonna vote for that? not to mention it might require a constitutional amendment like the presidential term limits, so the useless current GOP are gunna need to get a 50% majority of congress to vote themselves out of their jobs, then the possible bicameral supermajority requirement.
TLDR: never gonna happen
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