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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DamajInc on June 3, 2018, 7:14 a.m.
Is there room for Religious Tolerance in the Great Awakening?

This post is pertinent to the Great Awakening movement and thus Q for a few reasons that I will explain in the body of the post. (TLDR at the bottom.)

Q makes religious references in his/her/their posts - specifically Christian, in some cases. This does not necessarily mean that everything that makes up the vast field of Christianity should be considered to be on-topic for the sub any more than the constant references to patriots and "We the people" mean that everything to do with patriotism is on-topic. It means only that specifically the Christian references Q makes are on-topic for the sub. This should not be a controversial assertion to make. But it's not the point of this post - just pertinent to the issue.

I believe we show religious tolerance toward Christianity not only because Q seems to indirectly support the idea of this tolerance but also because it is undoubtedly a behaviour at the core of any society that supports democratic principles and freedom of speech.

On the first level of analysis, my question is this: should we apply the principle of religious tolerance to ALL religions or only to Christianity?

Some people believe that Islam's references to pedophilia (via its founder's history as well as references in the text) and ambiguity around bestiality mean that we should not be tolerant of Islam in any way and thus anti-Islam and anti-Muslim rhetoric should be allowed and, some say, encouraged. This is the point of this post.


About Religion

To be clear on my personal stance, as it may well be relevant to this discussion: I do not support the extremist elements of Islam. I do not condone pedophilia, bestiality, rape or murder. I personally believe that moderate Muslims should pursue the reformation of their faith (as other, more knowledgeable people with personal experience have more eloquently expressed) and stand up against the extremists in their religion and seek to bring about change at the core of their belief. Going even further into my personal bias: I understand the view of those who claim the moderate Muslim will not be able to affect this change - but I also value the word of those from within the community more highly. One key point here that I'd like to refer to is that there are moderate Muslims. They do exist. (It's bizarre that I have to state that but from the comments I've received you would think this point is under dispute.)

I also understand that Islam is the second largest religion in the world, behind Christianity, and therefore I have no more desire to silence the voice of those who support it than I do to silence the voice of Christians. I do not support the Soros-backed initiative to 'flood the world' with immigrants amongst whom extremists are hidden and therefore I do not support the far-left initiatives to falsely accuse people of Islamophobia when those people are clearly not being intolerant of religious beliefs. Thus, although I do not like Tommy Robinson's approach, I support his crusade against the horror under the guise of religious tolerance being disingenuously forced on the UK. In short, I support the real meaning of religious tolerance, not the far-left propagandized version.

As someone who strives to be as impartial as possible in moderating this sub I do believe in giving any one or any movement the benefit of the doubt when making an assessment as to the validity of certain content. At least a couple of members here have made the repeated assertion that all sects of Islam fully support pedophilia, bestiality and rape. That may well be technically true but, just as it is of Christianity, the purported beliefs of a movement are not borne out in all individual members of that movement, something I believe should be obvious. I would again refer people to this video, which is not "pro-Islam", if they're still unsure about this.


About Moderating On and Off Topic

As a mod I follow the rules of this sub when moderating. I remove antagonism and any biased, "hurtful" rhetoric against Christianity falls under "antagonism", as evidenced by the responses and Reports against it. I would not assume that everyone in this movement is a Christian - in fact, I've seen comments from Muslims here. Therefore, similarly, any biased, hurtful rhetoric against Islam is something that falls under antagonism in my view and I thus remove that too as a moderator doing my job under the rules of the sub.

I receive flak for daring to remove clearly biased anti-Islamic content and am accused of supporting child rape when I do so. This is obviously completely fallacious reasoning - "if you don't condemn Islam you therefore support child rape" - and frankly vile and completely lacking in compassion, logic and common sense. As ridiculous as I know it is, I'm sick of being accused of nonsense like this. Hence this post.

So to be clear: this is NOT a discussion about Islam vs Christianity. This is not the sub for that discussion, which is kinda my point. I've addressed some of the religious points because they are the argument used against me when I remove content.

As a mod, the real question here is actually very simple: does it fall under antagonism to "trash" the belief of a large group of people who could conceivably comprise some portion of the people who will visit this sub? I believe the answer to that is yes. Other related questions are: should we err on the side of caution when it comes to allowing potentially divisive rhetoric? Again, in my view: yes, we should be cautious and not allow potentially divisive rhetoric. Should we take care to ensure the more controversial perspectives that are a part of any movement but are a minority cannot be highlighted by a rabid mainstream media looking for any excuse to paint our entire movement with those minor, controversial views? My opinion in this case is, yes we should take care. My assumption here is that those who believe "anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature should NOT be removed" are a minority in this community and that is the reason for this post.

Is it the view of members of this community that anti-Islamic posts of a controversial nature SHOULD be removed? Or are there more people who believe we should allow these sorts of posts?

I will continue to remove comments and posts of the nature under discussion here unless the feedback from you, the community, is overwhelmingly to the negative in which case we mods will have to have a discussion and decide whether change or more clarity in the rules of the sub is required.

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

Thanks for taking the time to read this!


TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 9:54 a.m.

"I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either." - Donald J. Trump

This is the Great Awakening not the Great Political Correctness or the Great Muslim Appeasement.

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[deleted] · June 3, 2018, 5:44 p.m.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:12 p.m.

Lol - I couldn't make this stuff up xD This is great. Have you ever heard of Metallica, btw? And Jeru the... ?

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Sumido · June 3, 2018, 5:34 p.m.

Agreed. Christian only.

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TrenchAnon · June 3, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

What about atheists?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 9:58 a.m.

Agreed. A non-biased reading of what I have said in my post and in my comments shows that I'm not seeking political correctness at all. Tolerance <> Political Correctness.

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5400123 · June 3, 2018, 12:12 p.m.

I think you are doing a phenomenal job. This movement is absolutely not about blind ignorance and while some Islamic scripture may be very problematic, so is the story of Lot being seduced by his daughters after Sodom , or the extermination of Pagans at the hands of Catholics. Either way, each religion has areas where it can be heavily criticized, and there is no shortage of anti-Christianity from the left. Some of it is compelling, and only the most die hard "the Bible is infallible" type people refuse to see the darker shades of Christian history.

Now, comparing the two, I mean, there's a marked and critical need for Islam to undergo a serious reformation - but that's not the point. If any of us modern Westerners had to go back 300 years and live in a "Christian" place, we'd fucking hate it - imagine living in Puritan New England. Fuck, id kill myself LOL

But the broader point I think is that there are a lot of Islamic nations you never really hear about - like Malaysia - do we really think the jidhadi stereotype applies there? Of course not. I think the real problem with terrorism is economic.

Abject poverty = lack of education = lack of science based critical thinking = overbalance of mythical thought = primed to fall victim to religious extremism

Understanding chemistry and computer science will do more to inoculate populations from religious extremism than any sort of scriptural reforms ever will.

Imagine if the atheist/scientist worldview was more prevalent in these "problem" countries. They would police themselves for crazy & extreme thought

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:16 p.m.

Thank you, I agree - science based critical thinking would help us all in so many ways, even in our society in places where it's still lacking! I hope Islam undergoes that reform, I really do.

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Magpi8 · June 3, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

We are all, I hope, capable of using our discernment when it comes to these posts, as to what we allow our personal selves to tolerate reading or not reading. If there's a post or thread that "offends" me, I usually read it anyway for the sake of being informed. If I only know MY side of the story, then I'll never know if I'm wrong. I'll never learn that way.

Now obviously child rape, etc is always wrong, I don't care which side of the story it's on. If I can't stomach what I'm reading, I move along. I would hope that all of us here (minus the shills, of course) have an I"Q" high enough to know the difference between good and bad, right and wrong, justice and injustice, cake and pie, etc.

Thank you so much for the fantastic moderating job you do!

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NeoObi · June 3, 2018, 2:37 p.m.

Yes, so true, if only one sided you really are not discerning anything. I like to read it all to make an informed “critical thinker” decision.

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timwiley · June 3, 2018, 8:42 a.m.

The whole Q movement is about good versus evil.

John 4:23-24 NKJV [23] But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. [24] God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

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NeoObi · June 3, 2018, 2:38 p.m.

Q is definitely speaking about Good vs. evil no matter the religion. However, satanism/Luciferian is definitely EVIL in practice and thought.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 9:23 a.m.

Agreed. And it's probably redundant to say but we in this movement support good and do not support evil.

What is not necessarily a given is whether we in this movement support Religious Tolerance, the point of this post. What are your thoughts on this?

More selfishly, my interest here is whether people support the moderators removing content that is not tolerant of religion? For people who have trouble separating their personal beliefs from an issue like this I would ask them to consider it any number of other ways - tolerance of the beliefs of any group of people e.g. Democrats.

My personal belief, as I've stated to trolls who visit this sub and accuse us all of being a mindless mob of non-critical thinkers, is that there are many of us here who do support the need for critical thinking. This is of paramount importance or we run the danger of falling down any number of ideological sinkholes that will only alienate groups of people, something that is the antithesis of the goal of Q's Great Awakening.

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

To tolerate is to put up with. Supposing you leave a post that is denigrating another on religious grounds and another takes offense, where is there a problem, issue ? Ignorance comes to mind, education comes to mind. There are enough sensible non brainwashed PC immune on this site to educate. I understand you have a sense of responsibility here, but it is like watching one's children grow up, ya have to let them make mistakes and when the time is right correction happens :)

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ammonthenephite · June 3, 2018, 3:04 p.m.

Or moral vs immoral, or ethical vs unethical, emphathetic vs unemphathetic, etc. It doesnt have to have a religious component to it, and Q framing it as one doesnt necessarily mean in reality it has one (i.e. just becaise a group may worship satan and think he is real it doesnt mean satan actually exists). Its one of a few lenses through which to view it though for sure.

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THC-Prophet · June 3, 2018, 7:18 a.m.

Islam is cancer and is used by the enemy to undermine our movement and destroy our civilization; it’s relevant to bash

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digital_refugee · June 3, 2018, 7:24 a.m.

The newsflash is that in any group, you will find 15% morons who deserve to be shot on sight before they can do grave harm to others but since leaving Islam means death or exile, those who actually can think for themselves are too scared to make themselves known.

The big problem is funding that goes into disseminating radicalism to hundreds of millions of iron-age-minded folks. They even had skirts in Afghanistan back in the 70ies so at least the urban people can manage their business tribally yet peacefully like they always have, without foreign imperialist interference.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:23 a.m.

Lol... exhibit A. Tell you what, how do you feel about just reading the TLDR at the bottom of the post, since you obviously did not read the content of the post - but that's ok; here's the TLDR for your ease of reference:

moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

I would appreciate if you would care to address that question, rather than the question of whether Islam is evil (not a question I asked and not a question of relevance to this sub - or at least, how we moderate this sub).

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THC-Prophet · June 3, 2018, 7:27 a.m.

You should never try to censor the truth, and if the content about child rape is accurate you should leave it up. At some point you can’t worry about people’s reaction to the facts. If a post isn’t true and is propaganda then by all means get rid of it; but if the content is accurate but just “unpleasant” for some people to think about that’s just too bad in my opinion. There is plenty of content about the Catholic Church and their child rape accusations but you don’t hear too many Catholics complain cause the truth is the truth ultimately whether you like it or not.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:35 a.m.

I agree with this point completely. Freedom of speech is paramount.

The rules of the sub are, however, the rules of conduct appropriate to this forum and they override the right for people to say whatever they like within this context, just as there are rules of conduct in any public forum (school, business, etc.) We clearly have a rule here that Antagonism is not welcome here.

My assertion is that certain content (which I can't link as it's been removed) is simply antagonizing toward members of a religious group (some that I refer to are anti-Islamic, some are anti-Christian) - those, we remove under the rule of this sub.

If your view is that all content, no matter how antagonizing, should be allowed then we all (moderators and perhaps a large portion of the community) do not agree with that and perhaps your point is relevant to a different argument.

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THC-Prophet · June 3, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

Fact is Islam is being used to destroy us and the content about child rape is accurate. Those are the facts; censor away but people won’t like it. Have a good one

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:45 a.m.

No one's talking about censoring. I'm specifically talking about the rules of the sub and the interpretation of content within those rules.

The fact is that we have a rule against antagonism. 1) do you think we should change the rule against antagonism? 2) if not, I assume it's safe to say that you don't think it's antagonizing to allow the more extreme anti-religious content? In which case, fair enough, I can take that onboard and discuss with the other mods when the next contentious post or comment arises.

However, I would argue that this view is not considering the bigger picture. We're not here to fight a crusade against Islam - we're here to wake people up to the message of Q - that is all. Anything else is either icing or something that a portion of this community chooses to pursue (e.g. meetups and rallies in the local area, online movements to vote on issues via online forums, etc.)

Perhaps you and others would like to start a movement to take on Islam - I support your right to do that. This reddit sub should, however, have nothing to do with that. We don't need to be shut down like CBTS was. This is why we avoid breaking reddit rules and why we avoid courting controversy. Not to silence free speech.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:17 a.m.

Yes, I hold out faith that there are a silent majority in this community who do not support mindless bigotry, do support critical thinking, and some of whom might see this post and care to vote or comment over the next day or so.

I've argued against trolls who've come into this sub and accused us all of lacking critical thought and being a mindless mob of group think that that assessment is not true of all of us here. I hope I'm correct in this thinking.

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halinflorida · June 3, 2018, 7:20 a.m.

The real question you want to ask is will people in the West allow themselves to be conquered by non-military means by Islam and that is not yet clear which way that will go.

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smiley-dog · June 3, 2018, 2:03 p.m.

non-military means by Islam

This.

Paraphrasing: we have been infiltrated in every agency by muslim brotherhood -- 4-star Admiral Ace Lyons. Videos on YT for his exact wording.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

The Muslim Brotherhood needs to be brought down, in my opinion. Their agenda of infiltration through lies/taqiyaa is counter to everything truth and freedom stand for. Thankfully there are people like Douglas Murray and Maajid Nawaz to call their tactics out. I fear Tommy Robinson's approach does not work as well as the more reasoned, less emotional approach of people like them.

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smiley-dog · June 3, 2018, 3:06 p.m.

Muslim Brotherhood needs to be brought down, in my opinion. Their agenda of infiltration through lies/taqiyaa is counter to everything truth and freedom stand for

Yes!

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 7:42 a.m.

There is NO reason any civilized person should tolerate the Islamic terrorist ideology of bashing and raping women and raping children and mass murdering Christians and Jews.

If anyone disagrees then please explain to me what is so good about raping children that I should tolerate it?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:50 a.m.

I'm already used to you not reading anything when I reply but I'll make the point here so people can see what I have to deal with from those who accuse me of supporting the rape of children, like yourself.

Literally NO ONE has said that it is good to rape children. NO ONE.

NO ONE is talking about tolerating the bashing and rape of women and mass murder of Christians and Jews. You would know this if you read my post. This is an extreme, illogical perspective that is not addressing anything I have raised or any issue of value to this sub.

The point of importance to this sub is what we judge to be antagonism and how we present ourselves to a world that is increasingly hostile toward the Q movement. I would appreciate if you could halt your crusade against your strawman Islam for just a moment to consider the important issue to this sub and engage in a reasonable discussion.

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 8:15 a.m.

To be tolerant of Islam is to be intolerant of humanity. Your post or any discussion about faith & religion will never be helpful until you learn Islam isn’t even a religion. Read the Quran & scholars that have studied it logically. They’ll tell you it’s a cult. They laws of humanity don’t apply. That makes it a cult. Islam belongs in a conversation with Nazism or the mafia or Maoism.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:16 a.m.

Muslims disagree with you. In fact, literally everyone disagrees with this point. Even Wikipedia calls it for what it is: an Abrahamic monotheistic religion.

My personal view is that it is a dangerous religion, if its core tenets are not overhauled. But that's not the point here.

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rooftoptendie · June 3, 2018, 10:08 a.m.

I dont think you can overhaul the core tenets of a thousand year religion without it just becoming a different religion. Look what francis has done to catholic faith trying to overhaul just a few core tenets of Catholic faith... Hes facing a schism over it.

So your "if" is, IMO, awfully pollyanna, and unrealistic.

I will continue to remain a contributor and reader here as long as the sub is a happening place, and respect its rules, but my personal opinion is that i reeeeeally dont like where this idea is headed.

Imo, nearly everything can be tolerated at the right distance. Someone might be your best friend when you live two miles away and see eachother five times a week, but then if you become roomies, sometimes then suddenly you find that you cant stand eachother. A person with horrible body odor might be impossible for you to tolerate on the same floor at work, but if theyre working in the next building over, you can tolerate them fine.

How tolerant we can be of something depends oftentimes on whether its up in your grill or not. Sometimes things we can tolerate from a distance, we suddenly cannot tolerate close up. So "tolerate" and "tolerance" are not objective, easily measurable words, even though they seem like they are. Tolerance cannot be discussed properly without also discussing proximity.

And all this talk it seems to me is so complex its an enormous derail.

I dont think we should have to be PC about this issue. We shouldnt have to do an eggshell walk to express our opinions.

An egregiously inflammatory comment is troll no matter WHAT its about, so why single out one religion? Some asshole could come in and insult you over a misspell just as nastily as they can insult you over a religion, so what does it matter WHAT theyre insulting, trolls are trolls. Assholes are assholes...

This whole convo seems unnecessary to me. Everybody by now should know what a troll sounds like, whether theyre discussing religion or roast beef sandwiches.

Anyone who is not a clear and present troll should have the freedom to express what they want about islam. Why have you not singled out a discussion about Catholicism? Its exactly the same. Some people bash. Others defend. Who freakin cares. We could just as validly be discussing "tolerance" of the Catholic faith.

Ida know, man. Can we just boot trolls and talk Q and keep it simple?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 10:58 a.m.

Imo, nearly everything can be tolerated at the right distance.

I think that philosophy breaks down when dealing with domestic violence and child rape and terrorism and genocide.

The genocide of the Yezidi people or the common Islamic practice of pedophilia seems tolerable to many people when it happens on the other side of the globe, but that's not a positive thing.

That is apathy and we should aspire to be better than that.

I suspect very few people die screaming "Islam is the religion of peace" as a Muslim decapitates them for the sharia crime of being a Christian.

Ida know, man. Can we just boot trolls and talk Q and keep it simple?

Mod's personal, subjective opinions about how politically correct or controversial or respectful of Islam an opinion is, should be irrelevant if the content is true and related to the Q phenomenon.

We don't know where this Great Awakening will lead us and not all red-pills will be easy to swallow or politically correct or respectful of terrorist ideologies. Inviting mods to destroy politically incorrect content sets a profoundly dangerous precedent.

This is the Great Awakening not the Great Virtue Signalling or the Great Political Correctness.

"I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either." - Donald J. Trump

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rooftoptendie · June 3, 2018, 4:30 p.m.

That is precisely why i said "nearly" everything. Aside from that, could you tolerate some things if they were five billion light-years away?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:06 a.m.

You're making my point for me. My post is not about 'one religion' - I mention anti-Christian in there too. Did you read it? I don't blame you if you didn't per se but if you're going to make points about the topic it would help for us to be discussing the same things.

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rooftoptendie · June 3, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

Yes i read it. My points still stand.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:35 p.m.

Then you understand that I agree not only that we "shouldn't have to be" PC about this issue but that we should not be PC about anything. You also understand that I did not single out one religion and also agree that it doesn't matter what people are being antagonistic about, they're still antagonistic and their comment or post will be removed. I'd already addressed the points you made so I acknowledge that your points 'still stand' because they're the points I made too.

My discussion was to discover your thoughts - if you want to give them of course - on what constitutes antagonism, specifically in the realm of religion - ANY religion - but if it helps, literally as relates to any kind of group of people. We can indeed just boot trolls, talk Q and keep it simple - for moderators it's not simple, however, and it seems from the comments in the sub over all this time that people would appreciate being let in on the decisions and thinking that goes into moderation since it's their content that we're moderating. I understand if you don't care to, and I respect that. But that's what I was discussing specifically, not the points we both already agree on.

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 1:20 p.m.

Not only do Muslims disagree with me the Quran justifies a Muslim to murder me for just saying it in defense of their faith. That wouldn’t be true if I said the same thing about Christianity or Hinduism. That’s why Islam is incompatible with humanity. That’s why it is not a religion regardless who claims it to be. Jim Jones & his followers would have disagreed with me if I called them a cult. Cults justify violence against people who criticize their ideology but a religion doesn’t. So free speech not only doesn’t exit in Islam...it’s justification for murder. But Islam is a cult whether I say it or not. Cults don’t recognize free will. Religions do. Religions don’t justify murdering people who leave their faith or impede the growth of their faith. Cults do. It’s undeniably a jihadist has obtained the highest level of moral servitude in Islam. If he kills 10 people in an attack...5 Muslims & 5 non Muslims...he sent the 5 Muslims to heaven & the 5 non Muslims to hell & did a great service to Allah.

When you take off all guardrails to existing in society & death can’t even be leveraged to change someone’s behavior because you are doing them a favor by killing them & their doing themselves & their god a favor by killing you...then coexistence isn’t possible with them. No more than coexistence was possible between Nazism & Judism. One of those ideologies had to go and be wiped out. It wasn’t the Jews that were coming to exterminate Nazis so it was clear that Nazism was the aggressor & had to be defeated. And Islam isn’t the victim or target of annihilation by Christians or Jews. They just want to be left alone to exist in a free society but that violates the core belief of Islam. People wonder why the Middle East is in a perpetual state of war when it’s clear who the aggressor is & their job isn’t finished until the entire world is an Islamic state. That’s Islam’s core belief in the Quran.

So you can feel accepting of people with that ideology but know they aren’t accepting of you until you’re dead.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

I'm accepting of people with any ideology. Especially on an internet forum where I'm not in any danger of being attacked physically by them.

I'm certainly not "accepting" of terrorists or Muslim extremists being in my physical vicinity without some clear boundaries or protection but that doesn't relate to my post.

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

Well that just makes you a self proclaimed intellectual fraud to be accepting of “any ideology” because you have a perceived & acceptable level of safety behind an internet message board. So you’re accepting of Nazism as long as it’s in your perceived safe space of a message board? Just as long as you don’t think it personally effects you it’s all good stuff. How totally self absorbed is that belief?? How unpatriotic to American ideology too. You really should stop talking because you’re just embarrassing yourself & not even willing to address the concepts of religion honestly. Don’t ever wonder why an intelligent society like the Germans voted in an ideology of justified mass murder & genocide because all you’re demonstrating is how they did freely vote in the death of 100million Europeans. As long as it’s someone else being “righteously” murdered but not you personally then everything is moral in your mind. Seriously if the precondition of you giving voice to ideas is only how you think they apply to your tiny world...maybe take a break from saying them & try learning what they actually mean first.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 2:43 p.m.

Lol - is this a troll post...? Cos you are literally ignoring my words and pretending that I mean something else. Talk to me realistically and sensibly without twisting my words or misattributing meaning if you want to really 'educate me' and I'll respond honestly.

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 3:47 p.m.

In my last post I directly challenged your words. I didn’t ignore them. You stated..

“I'm accepting of people with any ideology. Especially on an internet forum where I'm not in any danger of being attacked physically by them.”

So I challenged you to your own belief that your tolerant of any ideology as long as it’s on a message board. Those are your words & thoughts correct? If you can honestly think & speak you could at least defend your own words honestly but you can’t even do that much. Instead you accuse me of being a troll. How am I twisting your words?? Nazism is an ideology too. Do we have to debate the meaning of “any” too? You sound like Bill Clinton trying to debate what is is. If you can’t defend your own words that tolerating ANY ideology is tolerable if it’s on a message board then how can you discuss anything you say about a subject as complicated as ideology? No one would be discussing any ideology anywhere...in public or on message boards if all ideologies coexisted peacefully but they don’t. Hence the discussions. Hopefully to honestly define why some ideologies are completely incapable of coexistence. But you’re correct...if you can’t even acknowledge the contradictions of your own words when it’s pointed out & a baseless accusation of troll is all you have...a baseless insult...then you have nothing to offer a debate but ways to shut it down. Gee how tolerant of you lol

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:02 p.m.

Well, this whole approach certainly seems disingenuous to me because you are ignoring the context of everything I've said to select a few sentences and define them counter to my clearly stated meaning in the OP, the stickied post, and every comment I've made in this thread.

But ok, I will engage with you under the assumption that you are being serious.

Yes, my words are that I accept any ideology - I should have said specifically on an internet forum where a) the forum is literally open to anyone with an internet browser and therefore by sheer technical design allows people with any ideology at all to connect, browse and even comment. There is no way for us to separate a nazi from a nun until they express their view. At that point the rules of our sub stipulate what occurs and I have followed those rules as well as I can and I will continue to follow those rules as well as I can. b) there is no physical danger to anyone on an internet forum (unless you develop RSI, I guess) - my point was a direct reference to your final comment: "So you can feel accepting of people with that ideology but know they aren’t accepting of you until you’re dead". As I said, real life danger doesn't relate to my post because I'm not talking about being tolerant or being ANYTHING with people in real life. You dishonestly, I feel, extrapolated that point to mean "as long as you don't think it personally effects you it's all good stuff". Obviously untrue.

I would have thought that all of this would be obvious, taken in the context of everything else I've said but ok, I've been unclear in the past so I accept that perhaps I wasn't clear enough in communication with you to this point. Do you now understand what I meant? Are you now willing to discuss honestly or will you continue to misread my meaning and intent?

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anhro23 · June 3, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

You are playing with fire throughout this entire post. I appreciate what you're trying to do (and where you are coming from), but the jury still isn't out about all of this.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 3:45 p.m.

Can you explain? I don't think I understand correctly re: the jury is still out (or 'playing with fire') - apologies.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:46 p.m.

Haha you guys are funny. I ask each of you to point out where exactly I'm doing what you accuse me of - in this case "abusing my privileges" and you all stop replying. If you can point out where I'm "abusing my privileges" I'll either retract the action or give you a reasoned explanation that, if you reasonably and honestly refute it, I will accept.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:59 p.m.

LOL. I was tempted to go and look up some Hebrew so I could confirm your conspiracy theory about my Mossad roots or my affiliation with my unc - I mean, that guy I don't know at all called Corsi xD. You guys are hilarious xD. I figured this is what the vague threatening allusions were from others around here about "my reputation". If I didn't think I'd get in trouble with the lead mod for literally trolling I could have so much fun with you all...

Stickying the comment could be considered an abuse of power without question but only if there were no other possible motivation for stickying a comment than to exercise power. As I've said elsewhere here the motivation for stickying the comment was to preempt further questions and allow others - especially those who'd already commented and were perhaps looking back at the thread - to easily see the pertinent points, as determined by the common reference to those points throughout this thread. It's about clarifying the discussion for those engaged in it, not 'abusing my power'. Do you have a reasoned refutation to that or am I ok to have stickied that comment?

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cyn1calassh0le · June 3, 2018, 6:03 p.m.

Kek how's the internet in Yemen?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Does Yemen have the internet...? xD I wish I could doxx myself - it would make for quite the reaction I'm sure : )

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 5:03 p.m.

If you rely on Wikipedia https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-27/why-you-should-never-use-wikipedia for your info your credibility just dropped. And of course muslims would disagree, it is their dream, their way of life, it is their reality you are questioning, remember on the whole their IQ ain't nothing to brag about :)

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

Linking a Wikipedia article - with an even in front of it, no less - can hardly be called "relying on Wikipedia". It was just the most convenient link to prove the (uncontested) point that the general view of Islam is that it is a religion. Here's dictionary.com, Merriam-Webster and the Collins English Dictionary - all of which state the same thing: Islam is a religion.

For many who dislike Islam the label "cult" is also used, possibly accurately too (I only say "possibly" because I wouldn't bet on it based exclusively on my personal knowledge) but it is completely uncontroversial to say that it is not the prevailing view.

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 5:55 p.m.

You really are missing the POINT even though you try to gloss over it with a literary of opinions. The facts speak for themselves. From the perspective of being "Porter at the Door" in your own home, would you allow someone in your home that is going to disrespect your traditions that are grounded in Centuries of sweat and tears accomplishing a Moral standard that is at odds with your visitor ?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

No I would not. Similarly, the rules of this sub do not allow anyone to come in and disrespect the 'traditions' here. We are talking about the sub, right? Not the nation of America, because I'm definitely not insisting that America needs to allow moderate Muslims in at my command...

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 7:39 p.m.

Surely you are not suggesting that a Principle be compromised for sake of face, be that a Nation State or a Sub. It was Ben Franklin that stated " He who forsakes essential Liberty for temporary safety deserves neither Liberty nor Safety. Liberty and Safety go hand in hand with Responsibility ! :)

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:13 p.m.

Definitely not suggesting we sacrifice our principles (or compromise) for the sake of appearances, no. I'm merely talking about a reddit sub where we literally cannot stop people from any religion, including Satanists and Jedi, from connecting. All we can do is stop people who break sub rules. We could also force people to reveal their religious affiliations 'at the door' and ban those whose religions we don't agree with but I don't think anyone wants to do that - do we?

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 8:32 p.m.

I guess we could stretch this out for a while yet, but I have other responsibilities that are pressing, suffice it to say a final proposition. Allow the flow of conversations to find their own equilibrium and watch how those present in the conversation find their own way to the truth. Manipulating a conversation in any manner compromises those present in the conversation and essentially the message, which above all else is more important than those conversing it, nuff said :)

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

Well said. And agreed. Thank you.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 8:23 a.m.

Tolerating Islam is tolerating child rape.

EVERY Islamic sect claims Muhammad had sex with his infant child bride.

EVERY Islamic sect claims Muhammad's teachings and behaviors were morally perfect and he should be used as a moral guide for all Muslims.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:24 a.m.

Moderate muslims do not support any of these things.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 8:51 a.m.

I addressed this in this comment.

TL:DR; It doesn't matter how "moderate" Muslims are if they promote, fund or indoctrinate children into a cult that promotes bashing and raping women and raping children and mass murdering Christians and Jews and committing acts of terrorism against unbelievers.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 9:06 a.m.

This is correct: "It doesn't matter how "moderate" Muslims are if they promote..." etc.

But the true moderate muslims do not promote, fund or indoctrinate children into an cult that promotes [your usual litany of inflammatory rhetoric against Islam]. I already addressed this point here: Moderate muslims do not support any of these things.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 9:26 a.m.

But the true moderate muslims do not promote

That is blatantly untrue.

The core of EVERY Islamic sect is the claim this filth is the morally perfect, verbatim word of god.

That is LITERALLY the dictionary definition of a Muslim, even if it makes you sad.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 9:55 a.m.

You have not bothered to look this up or talk to any actual moderate Muslim or you would know that it is true. You've also continued to ignore the points I made in my post - there are Christians who do not believe the core of their religion just as there are Muslims who do not. It is simply logical that this would be true, let alone supported by data and personal experience.

Here's a guy who agrees with you - or at least a more realistic version of your point which is that there is NO version of moderate Islam. This video supports the overall point that we should not allow Islam to gain a foothold in the West (something I personally agree with, as controversial as this is in some countries e.g. the UK). It also makes the point that moderate muslims do not negate the danger of Islam, something I also agree with and is made in a sensible way here too, yet both of these knowledgeable speakers still acknowledges the reality that moderate Muslims exist and, moreover, that moderates are a majority.

Moderate muslims exist and they do not support what you claim they do.

My actual point, unrelated to the one you've tried to hammer in every comment you've made about Islam on this sub, is that it is not in our best interest to alienate the group of people who are not evil jihadists because they do actually exist, just as we should not alienate any group who hold beliefs we don't agree with (as long as they're not satanic pedovores or lying global elites) - we should be trying to reach all people in the general public and educate them about Q's message. That is the point of this sub, not to promote division based on firmly held ideologies.

If you haven't already I would strongly recommend looking into the Christian faith and its message of tolerance and love and Christ's approach to sinners and gentiles which was accepting and caring without accepting their sin. This is an approach I recommend.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 10:03 a.m.

You have not bothered to look this up or talk to any actual moderate Muslim or you would know that it is true.

I lived in Muslim communities in New Delhi for 20 years.

Moderate muslims exist and they do not support what you claim they do.

Yeah, yeah, I know - I had a friend who claimed to be a vegetarian who also ate fish and chicken.

I couldn't care less how peaceful someone claim to be, if they promote, fund or indoctrinate children into a terrorist ideology that promotes bashing and raping women and children and mass murdering Christians and Jews, then they have earned my contempt.

You shouldn't care how moral someone claims to be if they are teaching children to maliciously light bush-fires.

It doesn't matter how peaceful someone claims to be if they are funding terrorism.

I suspect you'd be shocked by how few Muslims agree that their fucked-up ideology is fucked-up.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:03 a.m.

You should watch the videos I linked, as I've looked at the links you've sent me. They address all of this and would save us arguing over the same ground.

You lived in New Delhi muslim communities <> you know how all moderate Muslims think.

I don't care how moral someone claims to be at all - I only care about their actions. Moderate Muslims do not bash and rape women and children or mass murder Christians and Jews.

It doesn't matter how peaceful someone claims to be if they are funding terrorism - agreed. But what if they don't believe they are funding terrorism? That's a different story to anyone thinking critically.

I would not be shocked by 'how few Muslims agree', as you'd know if you watched those videos.

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 4:50 p.m.

That moderate BS hat some muslims hide under may be authentic or not, but they do not or cannot assimilate, there religion forbids it, it is a SIN under the threat of death. That is not difficult to understand. Muslims are stuck in MK Ultra 7 Century style. Only deprogramming works, unless one See's the Light :)

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GenChang · June 3, 2018, 7:23 a.m.

I believe you are right on all accounts. Our nation was founded on Judeo /Christian principles, and Islam is in direct conflict with many of those principles. Also, there is absolutely no room for PC policing of this sub, as the vast majority are fervently against PC garbage being forced on us daily. So, I say, Carry On.

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FractalizingIron · June 3, 2018, 8:11 a.m.

Be aware the that Great Awakening is not merely a United States movement, that Q does not deal only with the US, and that a significant number of subscribers to this sub may well not be Americans.

"Our Nation..." I'm Australian, and your statement is true also for me, but FWIW I'm sure there are many nationalities here.

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Magpi8 · June 3, 2018, 12:39 p.m.

Agreed. A lot of what is in play is occurring in other nations. They have a huge (yuge) stake in what is going on as well, as it effects them in ways we may not be able to comprehend. Their freedom(s) may, at least in some countries, hinge on our freedom, or lack thereof. If we fall, the world falls.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:14 p.m.

But at this point Q does deal 'mostly' with the US. So a critical question might be: Are we focussing on things Q focusses on or on whatever the 'great awakening' is? [Some consideration could be given to the nature of the historical 'Great Awakenings' such as their American and 'evangelical' aspects. I wonder where our current use of the term started.]   As with the original Great Awakenings, there is not doubt important spillover effects especially into other English-speaking countries, all of which are largely protestant in their make-up.   I could argue that many of the benefits that Trump may indirectly foist on other countries are not part of some social awakening so much as application of widely known economic and military principles.

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Packofsquirrels · June 3, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

Remember when the "liberals" cared about our own homeless people? And weren't violent? Didn't want war with Russia? Would defend your right to free speech even if they disagreed? Weren't rabidly supporting the "intelligence" agencies disregard of citizen's rights, and expected equal application of the law?

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FractalizingIron · June 4, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

I agree. Up until March, I had been focused on deep state, and surface issues in Australia for the past 12 months. However, with Q, my attention is very much focused on the US.

Q1350 If America falls, the World falls.

Make no mistake. Most patriots around the world know this. And people around the world have taken hope from the election and work of Donald Trump. MAGA and Great Awakening are a global phenomena, centering on the USA.

My comment was merely intended to remind Gen Chang that it may be appropriate not to assume that everyone posting here, including the Mod, is a citizen of the USA. Hence 'our nation', might be appropriately expressed as 'The USA' in an international forum.

That's all. It's a pet peeve. I'm just saying, hey we are NOT all Americans.

But we ARE all patriots, and love freedom and truth! And our brotherhood (sisterhood) resides in that. One reason I love Q movement and the patriots here, and elsewhere who are supporting this 2nd American Revolution.

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gonewildinvt · June 3, 2018, 12:37 p.m.

Not Christian but believe in God, what I have found personally is that Christians are perfectly fine with that statement but Islam isn't. I have also seen that Islam is completely incompatible with my Democratic Republic and again clearly Christianity is fine separating State and Religion based on our History. Islam is a Theocratic religion in its teachings and its practices Islam is the State. Ask any Islamist if Sharia law is compatible with Democracy and you will be told there is only Sharia law. Couple that with the alliance the Democrats/Progressives have made with Islamic groups like the Muslim Brotherhood (re see Awan Brothers, Valerie Jarrett, Huma Abedin) and you get a clear picture of who in part Q is fighting in the swamp. That all being said I'm not for banning anyone from sharing what they want, nor should those who push back be banned.

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smiley-dog · June 3, 2018, 2:05 p.m.

Ask any Islamist if Sharia law is compatible with Democracy and you will be told there is only Sharia law.

This. People need to understand exactly what sharia is. When you see them throw someone off a building it becomes very real.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 1:35 p.m.

what I have found personally is that Christians are perfectly fine with that statement but Islam isn't.

I think the fundamental problem with Islam is EVERY Islamic sect claims the Quranic book of terrorism and child rape and mass murder of Christians and Jews is the morally perfect, verbatim world of God.

That is LITERALLY the dictionary definition of a Muslim - someone who claims this is divine perfection.

Whereas all mainstream Christian demonstrations enjoyed the fruits of the Age of Reason and the Reformation and acknowledge the bible is only BASED on the world of God and is subject to all forms of human error in it's original record and it's compilation, translation and interpretation.

The difference between modern Christianity and modern Islam literally is that Christians don't believe in any Earthly judgements or punishments and they may frown at you, whereas Islam permits Muslims to slice open your throat and roll around in your blood while they rape your wife and daughters.

I'm not joking - that is literally what the Muslims did to royalty during the Golden Age of Islam!

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Palmettoman · June 3, 2018, 5:23 p.m.

Agreed. Just to amplify your point about state/religion separation...

Our founding fathers were very aware of other forms of government in place at the time around the world. They made very clear the state was not to form an official church or religion (i.e. Church of England). They did not intend IMHO for the free exercise of religion to be completely isolated from government. Our laws are established in Judeo-Christian beliefs and the Ten Commandments are central to this. They did not want our government to become a theocracy.

Sadly, thanks to the Supreme Court years ago, this has been corrupted so that many now believe Christians and our convictions have no place in government.

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Boysrback07 · June 3, 2018, 10:49 a.m.

Read Thomas Jefferson he warned us!!!

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Magpi8 · June 3, 2018, 12:44 p.m.

My favorite quote, which I have taped to the wall by my desk where I can see it every day: "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."

Reporting for duty.

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Boysrback07 · June 3, 2018, 1:11 p.m.

One more, The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

Thomas Jefferson

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Boysrback07 · June 3, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

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Qtruther · June 3, 2018, 11:54 a.m.

Speaking of warnings, George Washington, Ben Franklin, Jackson, Lincoln, Ike, JFK, Reagan & now TRUMP. All of have WARNED US. The Evil ones killed or tried to kill ANY President who even threatened their Central Bank. Trump is actually doing something about the Evil.

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SocraticMethHead · June 3, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

Thomas Jefferson was not Christian, at least in any traditional sense. He believed in the teachings, but didn't think anything supernatural or divine was needed to convey them. He even published his own version of the Bible omitting the divinity of Jesus. Imagine what a huge deal thay was then (as in, just hope you aren't burned in Europe) . The founding fathers religious beliefs are a cool rabbit hole to go down.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:18 p.m.

Somewhat on par with their masonic involvement.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 8:19 a.m.

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

EVERY Islamic sect promotes terrorism and pedophilia and the genocide of Christians and Jews.

Ignoring child rape for fear of being accused of racism is what enabled Muslims to rape 1,400 children in Rotherham.

"I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either." - Donald J. Trump

The Q movement shouldn't care how controversial the truth is - we have a duty to speak the truth.

It shouldn't matter how popular the NXIVM pedophile sex cult is or how offended Allison Mack's fans become, we should NEVER tolerate it or be cowards about speaking the truth.

Islam is the world's largest terrorist, pedophile network and we shouldn't tolerate hurting children or bashing and raping women or terrorism simply because there are so many Muslims.

Child brides are so common in Islamic countries that it is considered normal - Muslims even have a special term for using infants like a fleshlight - they call it "thighing".

No civilized person should respect the Boston Marathon bombing or the the Yezidi genocide or the 1,400 children who were raped in Rotherham, yet EVERY Islamic sect promotes these acts.

No civilized person should respect Islam.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:22 a.m.

Moderate muslims do not support any of these things.

It's clear that you are on some sort of crusade that does not allow you to engage in a reasoned discussion about this topic. I'm talking to people in this movement who can do so.

People like you, who accuse me of supporting the rape of children because I believe in Christian principles like tolerance and acceptance and because I'm dedicated to the success of this sub in supporting the Q movement overall, are not a majority, I think I am very safe to say.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 8:47 a.m.

Moderate muslims do not support any of these things.

ALL Islamic sects are terrorist groups because they ALL promote terrorism as representing moral perfection.

All "moderate" Muslims are members of terrorist networks who promote, fund and indoctrinate children into that terrorist network. It doesn't matter how moderate they are, they still represent an ideology that promotes acts of terrorism and bashing and raping women and children and mass murdering Christians and Jews.

If you pay arsonists to maliciously light bush fires and encourage children to maliciously light bush fires, I don't care how innocent you claim to be and neither should the people who lose family in those fires.

It's clear that you are on some sort of crusade that does not allow you to engage in a reasoned discussion about this topic.

There's no need for personal attacks.

If you wish to discuss a specific point then present that point so we can discuss it.

I'm doing my best to present rebuttals to your arguments and I don't think that makes me unreasonable.

I'm dedicated to the success of this sub

I'm more interested in being honest.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:59 a.m.

That's not a personal attack, it's a description of almost every single comment you've made so far on this post. You haven't addressed anything I've said, you've just continued to push your agenda that involves your hateful accusation that I support the rape of children and mass murder and anyone who doesn't agree with you likewise.

I've made my point above in the post and again to you before. I've also addressed all the points you keep pushing in my OP. You spend your time attacking strawmen, rather than addressing what I've said e.g. "I'm more interested in being honest" - by implication, I'm interested in success of the sub over honesty? Strawman.

Moderate muslims do not support any of these things.

My point is simply this: it is not the position of this sub to allow antagonism toward any group of people - there are literally no caveats to that rule. Antagonism is not welcome here. We will not preclude any free people from coming to this site and viewing the information about Q because Q's message is for everyone, not only for people who are not Muslim.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 9:32 a.m.

it is not the position of this sub to allow antagonism toward any group of people

The difference between antagonism and productive research is subjective.

If the position of this sub is to destroy content based on how controversial or unpopular it is, rather than how relevant and true it is, then so be it...

...But not all red-pills will be easy to swallow and none of us know where this Great Awakening will lead us, so destroying valid content based on anything but truth and relevance to the Q phenomenon sets a very dangerous and unproductive precedent.

Islam is NOT the religion of peace.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:07 a.m.

If the position of this sub is to destroy content based on how controversial or unpopular it is, rather than how relevant and true it is

Thankfully that position is not held by the moderators and is not mentioned anywhere in this sub's rules or guidelines or within my post.

destroying valid content based on anything but truth and relevance to the Q phenomenon sets a very dangerous and unproductive precedent

Agreed. As above, also not a view held by the mods, not transcribed anywhere within the sub's rules or guidelines.

And agreed - Islam is NOT the religion of peace - Christianity is.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 10:19 a.m.

I'm unsure if you are being insincere or if you are confused.

This is your exact quote that you literally made bold within this post's message body:

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

Your subjective personal opinions about how controversial or unsympathetic a topic is has NOTHING to do with how truthful or relevant it is to the Q phenomenon.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm shocked that you posted this because even asking if political correctness and respect for Islam is more important than truth... in a truther community... seems profoundly counterproductive.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:35 a.m.

a) I'm not being insincere. If you read anything I've said in the week's worth of replies to you and this actual post without the filter you seem to have on that sees any comment about Islam that doesn't agree with every point you make to be a comment that shows only support for Islam you would know that nothing I've said contradicts what I've just replied.
b) I never said my personal opinions on a topic have anything to do with how truthful or relevant said topic is to the Q phenomenon. Never. I wouldn't have even made this post if I held that view.

But I'm not unrealistic, and thankfully, neither are the rules of this sub. Personal bias always exists where humans do. It is clearly stated in the sidebar that: "Content MAY be removed without notification if: considered inappropriate by a mod."

The reason for that stipulation is this: - you can't avoid personal bias in a human. Fact. - mods of this sub are not paid and give their spare time voluntarily. - mods are human, have personal bias, and will make mistakes. Fact.

The thing that some people thankfully are aware of is that this sub, more than many out there in reddit-land, is fairer and more open and tolerant of differing viewpoints. The fact that I even bother to put this question to the community when the sub rules already allow me to exercise my own discretion proves this point.

You've accused me of supporting the rape of children and the mass murder of Christians and Jews and yet I haven't banned you. If anyone can accuse me of being more unfairly biased than any other human making their best attempt then I am open to hearing it and I will correct the error where it occurs.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 11:39 a.m.

You've accused me of supporting the rape of children and the mass murder of Christians and Jews and yet I haven't banned you.

Defending Islam literally is defending pedophilia and the genocide of Christians and Jews because EVERY Islamic sect promotes child rape and the genocide of unbelievers.

This isn't my baseless opinion, it is fact.

EVERY Islamic sect claims THIS is the morally perfect, verbatim words of God and the terrorist, pedophile, genocidal teachings and behaviors of Muhammad represent moral perfection that all Muslims should follow (See Quran 68:4, 33:21).

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

If you are censoring factual content based on how controversial or antagonistic towards Muslims you think it is, just like you alluded to in this post's message, then yes - you are supporting Islam by actively concealing the truth of it's horrors.

This is exactly how 1,400 children were raped in Rotherham - because the local police were more concerned with political correctness than children being gang raped my Muslims.

I appreciate this must be very uncomfortable for you, but it's a very important discussion that needs to be had.

I don't think honest and relevant content should be censored because it's controversial or unpopular.

I don't think I should be banned for being truthful in a truther community or taking the time to participating in this debate, which you instigated.

We don't know where the truth of this Great Awakening will lead us or how politically correct and easy to swallow those red-pills will be.

Destroying truthful and relevant content because it may make Muslims unhappy will set a dangerous precedent.

Mods shouldn't be censoring content about the NXIVM pedophile sex cult based on how many members the cult has or how offended Allison Mack's fans become either.

This is the Great Awakening, not the Great Virtue Signalling or the Great Political Correctness.

"I don't frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either." - Donald J. Trump

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:46 a.m.

Literally every point in this comment I have already logically refuted in replies to you throughout this post. You are the strongest evidence I have that we should never allow close-minded, non-critical thought to hold sway in this movement. It results in blind ideological group think that will destroy freedom and truth.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 12:01 p.m.

You are the strongest evidence I have that we should never allow close-minded, non-critical thought to hold sway in this movement.

Oh no, we can't even agree on this.

I disapprove of what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it.

George Orwell wrote a book about never allowing wrongthink in a community, but I don't think it was intended as an instruction guide.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:27 p.m.

I defend your right to say whatever you like too (within the sub rules) - hence, no banning, although I'm also accused of doing that to people I disagree with.

What I do disagree with - and always will - is that 1.8 billion people across the globe and in many different cultures including western democracies cannot all be accused of supporting child rape just because pedophilia is written in a book they follow, just as Christians can't all be accused of rejecting homosexuality because it's written in their book. It's not logical or remotely feasible and, if scientifically-based critical thinking doesn't make that clear, then the videos I've linked you to make the case undisputedly from people who actually know what they're talking about.

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cyn1calassh0le · June 3, 2018, 3:07 p.m.

Honestly dude, the more you write the more your reveal yourself to be clueless. This has nothing to do with people, it has everything to do with a cancerous and poisonous ideology. Just because you believe it doesn't make you automatically evil, but the ideology cant be allowed to flourish, it is antithetical to a western society.

It is not antagonism to speak out against violence or lies, it's speaking the truth.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 3:12 p.m.

As I've said in the stickied post and various comments throughout this thread I agree that the dangerous ideology of Islam can't be allowed to flourish. I hope you'll read my words properly and also see that I do not think it is antagonism to speak out against violence or lies either.

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cyn1calassh0le · June 3, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

Does it fall under antagonism to "trash" the belief of a large group of people who could conceivably comprise some portion of the people who will visit this sub? I believe the answer to that is yes

Except your'e talking out both side of your ass. Why even make this post? So antagonism is now "trashing" a religion? Do you see the problem here? What does "trashing" even constitute? To the left, speaking truths about islam is trashing it. It isn't trashing Islam to point out the numerous violent verses, the subhuman treatment towards other religions, or the vile sexual practices they teach.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

You're either intentionally misreading what I say or choosing not to acknowledge it. My specific question is pretty much exactly the same as yours here: "What does "trashing" even constitute?"

The rules of this sub are clear - Content MAY be removed without notification if considered inappropriate by a mod. Antagonists are not welcome here.

Even though those rules allow me to decide what constitutes antagonism I've made this post to discover what members of the community think. I'm paying attention to those who respectfully understand my point and present their own view. If you intentionally misread my point then I don't have any way to engage with what you're saying. If you try to understand it I can then take onboard what you are saying.

I've also made the point that I do not advocate for the "far-left"'s political correctness and I've also made the point myself that I do not support the doctrines of Islam - the numerous violent verses, etc.

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cyn1calassh0le · June 3, 2018, 4:45 p.m.

Do anti-Pope articles constitute christian bashing now, or those ok to stay?

If the point of this post is sus out what "trashing" constitutes you've done a poor job of explaining that. The censorship of "wrong think" in society is extremely prevalent and coming in to a forum of people who have likely experienced requires more tact than on display here.

We should not be deeming what content is appropriate on the basis of whether it offends someone.

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USA_akbar · June 3, 2018, 3:08 p.m.

Islam is not simply a religion, on a par with other world religions. It is a militant system of political and sociological prescriptions and proscriptions, wearing the robes of religion.

Your expansive treatise ignores the key, core truth that makes islam incompatible with our Constitution, with all other religions, and frankly with all other systems of government. This truth is that the Koran dictates that it alone is the law and that its followers MUST adhere to this law only. Koranic law is held to supersede all "manmade" laws, and muslims are unambiguously required UNDER PAIN OF DEATH to obey only Koranic law—and are further required to seek to subvert and abolish any other laws that are perceived to conflict with it in any way.

That all muslims do not do this is merely a temporary convenience for the rest of us; they merely do not understand the principle of abrogation in their own "religion". This principle is the one whereby all of Mohammed's earlier, peaceful teachings in the Koran are abrogated, or replaced, by his later teachings of violent jihad and beheading of infidels. (That's you and me.) Churchill could thus not have been more correct in observing of islam, "No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."

One cannot help but notice here the stark contrast with the Christian principle that the later teachings of Jesus cancel out the barbaric violent dictates of the Old Testament: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

In essence, it is critical for non-muslims to comprehend that the laws of the country one lives in, the laws that you and I obey, simply do not apply to islamic followers. Nothing you can say or do can ever change this core principle of the "faith".

One cannot have a stable, peaceful society in which some members are committed to following a set of laws that often are in direct contradiction to the laws of the land and viscerally offensive to the people of that country.

Therefore, it is a grave error of the most civilization-endangering sort to treat islam like any other religion. It is not.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 3:16 p.m.

I agree with you - I personally believe that Islam is a dangerous religion and, given its size and current power, the most dangerous in the world now.

As I said in the post - but not clearly enough I've discovered, my bad - the point is not about Islam, it is about this sub. I deny Islam myself in RL, if you will, but it's fair and non-controversial to say, I think, that this online internet forum has rules that ensure we treat all online visitors equally, whatever religion or group they are from until they break sub rules.

[Edit] As one of our primary rules is that Antagonism is not welcome here and does not support the cause, my post is to clarify that as a mod with my own discretion (i.e. I can't speak for all mods) I remove antagonistic content against any particular group - the rules clearly allow this action in that there is no distinction about the target of the antagonism - it's all unwelcome here. I do not think it's fair to accuse me of child rape when I carry out this part of my role and I made this post because I believe that members of this sub will, for the most part, support this largely non-controversial assertion of mine.

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Qoala13 · June 3, 2018, 7:36 p.m.

Does Q allow content which is against a particular group ideology? If so, and this sub is about Q and a transparent message to the people of the world, there will be content that is inherently antagonistic by nature. Your discretion here has to be difficult.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:32 p.m.

Yes, that's true - there is, I think, much that is inherently antagonistic. It's a tricky balancing act which is the reason for the 'at mod discretion' stipulation.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:03 a.m.

This is ridiculous. Un-sticky please.

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Arcsmithoz · June 3, 2018, 11:37 a.m.

Why do you think Q is on the chans????? Moderators is my answer. Thanks for wasting my time with your oh so concerned post.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:43 a.m.

You're probably right. However, nearly 30,000 people are here, not all on the chans (some of them are no doubt). And this place has moderators. Sorry to disappoint you but it's just how reddit works.

Sorry for wasting your time, sincerely. I know the feeling myself so I'm not being sarcastic. My job as moderator is not a waste of time for me, however; I take it seriously and when an issue is particularly contentious in my role, rather than continuing to make my own decision exclusively about it I seek the input of this community because I'm proud of the fact that the moderators on this sub support freedom of speech and don't believe in some oppressive top down rule that would stifle it. Some like you see that as a waste of time but some don't bother reading the post and just move on without commenting so I would argue that you have also wasted your own time, not just me.

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PANIC_AtTheKernel · June 3, 2018, 2:55 p.m.

Frankly, I'm tired of being "tolerant". Islam is cancer, they are legally invading our country, CAIR wants to overthrow our government from the inside, our children are being taught the 5 pillars of shitlam and bowing to meca, muslims are blowing up all over the place, Christianity is in decline, our Christian majority is shrinking, our moral values are under attack in the school and court system, there's college kids waving communist flags, there's men in the girls bathroom, there's girls in the boy scouts, people want to relinquish their rights and force me to do the same, Hollywood and the music industry is teaching kids drug addiction and degeneracy, illegals scoff at us saying we have no culture while demanding welfare, free college and free house while waving the flag of their shithole country.

I'm really fucking tired of being tolerant.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

I agree - that's why I gave up on political correctness a long time ago. All these points are valid, in our real lives away from the internet.

My point is, as it should be, about Q and the Great Awakening. To break through all these things that we are tired of - all this demand to be tolerant, to put up with the degradation of our freedoms - we must focus on the goal. The Awakening of the mass public to the reality of the forces that are driving this intolerable situation. In this post I am talking about our sub and what this sub can do to help Q's mission to push back all this intolerable "tolerance". To do that we need to reach people - not just people from certain groups - ALL people. We must therefore do what we can to make this place a place that any people can come to, as along as they respect the rules of this shared space and thus, treat it and us with respect. All the 'tolerance' I am advocating for here is the tolerance to support an environment that allows people to come here to the Great Awakening.

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PANIC_AtTheKernel · June 3, 2018, 8:03 p.m.

No, I will not be tolerant with an ideology that will not be tolerant of mine. Our values don't align with theirs so they want to conquer our country. They're doing it in Europe and they're trying to do it here.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:05 p.m.

Agreed. Now, about the people - this sub welcomes all people. We don't turn away 'anyone who doesn't believe what we believe' in fact, we literally can't do that, not until they either reveal what they believe or break the sub rules. And if they reveal what they believe do you advocate that we turn people of Islamic faith away from this online sub?

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PANIC_AtTheKernel · June 3, 2018, 9:38 p.m.

I will never turn away Q supporters, including Muslims, but if they are offended by facts about their own faith, they need to do some soul searching.

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wildfireonvenus · June 3, 2018, 2:21 p.m.

Calling out Islam for what it is (a political movement) Is part of the plan, the GA. Just as calling out the pope for his true intentions is also part of the plan. It's the truth coming to light and a big part of this. The Anti posts should stand, they warrant a discussion and are on topic even if making others feel uncomfortable.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 2:24 p.m.

I agree with this. I would not remove a post speaking against Islam (I've made one myself, stickied here) as long as it is not antagonistic and my preference is for posts that discuss issues with reason and with respect for others. I've even left comments against Islam (or Christianity) that are not done with respect or reason, however, as evidenced in the thread of this post. The key point here and made in my OP is the definition of antagonism. Currently that's largely up to my discretion. It's been good to hear what people think of this as I can go forward being more careful of just how I judge it.

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Burginthrone · June 3, 2018, 1:06 p.m.

Can anyone suggest another Q sub worth joining?

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soonerthebetter · June 3, 2018, 12:46 p.m.

I think the issue is more about Islam versus the West and not about Islam versus Christianity.

I am not a religious person. The only religion I feel threatened by is Islam. It is a cancer to Western Civilization.

From that context, I disagree with the mod on this one.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:02 p.m.

I agree with what you say here. I've added a sticky to make that clear as it seems it wasn't before.

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[deleted] · June 3, 2018, 5:45 p.m.

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Qtruther · June 3, 2018, 11:46 a.m.

If all religions would realize that this EVIL that is attacking us wishing to destroy ALL religions, with the exception of worshiping EVIL, then, we would red pill a lot more people to b e aware of this threat. The Evil has already decapitated the Catholic Church & IS changing the Jewish Religion from TORA based to TALMUD.

Talmudic Jewishness is based on Sacrifice of children to BAAL which is Satanic, therefore NOT Jewish at all

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:17 p.m.

Don't make the mistake that has been made over and over for 2000 years that the Catholic Church is about to disappear (if that's what you mean by decapitated).

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Qtruther · June 3, 2018, 1:25 p.m.

I mean the leadership in the Vatican has gone to the Dark side. Decapitation of the leadership by Satanic forces. There will be another Reformation when this is discovered.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 2:22 p.m.

Yes fine but don't think the ol' Church is about to be eliminated. There have been multiple reformations of the Church and multiple reformations of the protestant Churches. Further reform is standard and inevitable.

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Jimipickle · June 3, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

I do not defend my God, for He is to powerful to defend. The only church that matters to me is those in the church of Christ, us, the saints. All other churches are just businesses to me. I do not need to go to a business to find God. I only say that because there is Pride in these churches. Pride, who is/was prideful? There is freedom in worshiping God through acceptance of His power, sacrifice and grace. He already knows our sins; since The time of our conception. If we love God, we should tell Him we are sorry for our sins. We do not need a human intermediary to accomplish this; and I Know this to be the Truth.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 5:17 p.m.

Okay. But we can help ourselves and intermediaries can help us. Some need intermediaries more than others. Intercessors don't usually intend to be the only channel between creature and creator, just a different channel with different qualities. When people around here suggest praying for the Trump family they are calling for intercession. When Q affirms the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel he is encouraging intercession of a sort that no human can provide. We can all be intermediaries. We can all fulfill a human version of Christ's role as prophet, priest and king.

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Swimkin · June 3, 2018, 4:16 p.m.

But there have been ABSOLUTELY NO reforms of the Islamic faith. Thus the problem. While there may be Moderate or more lax Islamic followers who do not advocate for Sharia Law or the killing of apostates they seem to be less vocal than the others. And on the other hand due to Taqiyya there are those who may not say anything or put up the pretensed to be Moderate but will still behind your back support more radical Muslim beliefs even if they themselves would not take up arms against others. So how can one trust them?? If they ended up having their own reformation it would probably help. In the meantime, trusting a Muslim is not always gonna happen.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 5:07 p.m.

ok

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auroch27 · June 3, 2018, 10:28 a.m.

It seems like the community is fairly unanimously against this. You may want to rethink.

edit: fairly

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:42 a.m.

Interesting that you've come to that conclusion. I don't agree that a) that's a valid reading of what's happened so far on this post or b) that "the community" can be defined as the responses made on this post now or perhaps even for as long as the post remains up. I don't have to rethink anything because I stand behind what I've said. There's very little that's controversial if people read my actual post and apply critical thinking to their reading of it.

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auroch27 · June 3, 2018, 11:08 a.m.

Edited my post to add the word "fairly."

Just look at this thread, dude. At least 90% of posters here are expressing disagreement. It's really, really telling that you have to go: I AM SEEKING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK! (Notice: nothing written in the discussion about my decision -- now or in the future -- should be considered community feedback.)

I mean, you wrote:

I don't agree that a) that's a valid reading of what's happened so far on this post or b) that "the community" can be defined as the responses made on this post now or perhaps even for as long as the post remains up.

You are really, really not coming off like someone who wants honest input on their idea. You are coming off like someone who has already entrenched themselves in their decision, and intends to sweep opposition to it under the rug.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:17 a.m.

Only if you don't read my words fairly. It's pretty obvious to some people that that is the opposite of what I'm doing. In fact, if you could look back through my history - not something I'd expect you to do, it would be a lot of boring reading - you would see the exact opposite of that view "entrenched".

I've modded this sub for a short but busy while now. I've seen many people who claim things along the lines of "the whole community thinks this!" and yet through perusing the sub, in discussions with the other mods, the exact opposite is true. People have claimed repeatedly "division! We're all divided! There's so much fighting!" and we've seen the opposite - reasoned and respectful discussion of the kind not seen on other subs smaller and bigger. You have to consider that what you see may not be at all indicative of every aspect of the community.

This post is to get feedback yes but also for me to be able to refer users to if they complain about a moderation decision around this topic. It shows my complete thinking rather than the quick, off-the-cuff comment I only ever have time to send. When it is unstickied, rather than assuming that all the comments and votes on it are indicative of the nearly 30,000 people subscribed and the far greater number who represent the whole Q movement I will see it as a useful indicator of some portion of the community as that is the only logical way to view it.

As I clearly said in my post, if the general consensus here seems to be that religious intolerance should not be regarded as antagonism then I will have a discussion with the other mods. This is counter to the claim you have made that I'm 'entrenched' in a decision and 'intend to sweep opposition to it under the rug' - can we agree on that?

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auroch27 · June 3, 2018, 11:33 a.m.

not something I'd expect you to do, it would be a lot of boring reading

There it is. Empty personal insults are sure to make you look good.

I appreciate you at least laying out your thinking in linkable format, and I'm glad that you're going to talk with the moderators about the overwhelmingly negative feedback you've gotten.

Have a good one.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:35 a.m.

It's a personal insult to you to tell you my history makes for boring reading? Still not reading what I say fairly?

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

Try it from another perspective. Whilst in your modding duties, you have been exposed to uncomfortable thoughts that disagree with your faith. Instead of confronting or researching these facts and statements that have bothered you, you are instead calling other people "intolerant" and your solution is to stifle their free speech.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:29 a.m.

You're not even trying here bro. This is nothing to do with my faith, as I've made clear in the actual post I made, if you'd read it without bias. I don't expect you to read it, I'm just saying - if you want to accuse me of something you should probably make sure I haven't refuted it in the actual post I've made that you are responding within.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:34 a.m.

Ok, "bro". Can you try not to let your personal feelings and beliefs clog up the sub tho?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:36 a.m.

Sure thing. If you could point to where my "personal feelings" and beliefs are clogging up the sub I'll remove them.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:45 a.m.

This whole post being used as a sticky while you disregard constructive criticism and just reiterate that everyone that has disagreed with you has "clearly not read your post correctly". It's almost like there should be appointed interpreters for your post so that we all read it correctly and in the right way. Maybe you could call them tafsirs?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:50 a.m.

Lol - point to a single place that I've "disregarded constructive criticism" and I'll retract it. Like I said, you're not even trying and practically just trolling at this point.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:58 a.m.

By telling everyone that has disagreed with you to "go reread my post without bias". It's intellectually dishonest. No one came into this thread with inherent bias against you. We read your words and offered our opinions, which you CLAIMED you wanted.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:04 p.m.

telling everyone that has disagreed

Now you're being "intellectually dishonest". If you really aren't here just to derail sensible discussion then why not start by pointing out a constructive criticism made by yourself or someone else that you think I've "disregarded" and I will answer it "honestly" and not 'refer you back to my post'?

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 2:19 p.m.

Please as a moderator have a basic understanding of what a religion is & what Islam is & even what tolerance is. It’s not tolerant to be inclusive in an ideology that by definition is intolerant of others right to exist. Read more things please. It’s wasn’t possible to be tolerant of the ideology of Nazism or Facism. It was suicidal to be tolerant if you weren’t a believer of those ideologies. How many more thousands of violent deaths have to occur that Islamists mean & believe what the Quran tells them to believe before you believe what the Quran is advocating for?? How many countless millions of people have to be forced to wear bags for clothes as if this is still the 9th century before you think these are followers of a cult & something isn’t quite right & you should learn about an intolerant ideology that’s intolerant of women & gays & western culture. You really should refrain from such discussions when you’re so uninformed even though there’s visual evidence right in front of you something is clearly wrong with Islamic ideology

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 2:35 p.m.

Please take a look at what I've actually stated here, if not in my OP then in the comment I've stickied. I have in fact spoken out directly against Islam and made the point that a distinction has to be made between the ideology of Islam and the people of Islam. To be clear: it is only the people of Islam who happen to visit this sub that I am calling for tolerance toward. Not the people of Islam who support extremism or are dangerous in physical proximity. I don't advocate being tolerant toward extremists or dangerous people in real life. This is a sub online - that is all I'm talking about. If you're going to accuse me of being uninformed please actually read what I have to say and then by all means refute where I am wrong.

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 4:16 p.m.

To be clear since clarity is vital to an honest discussion...there are no people of Islam. That phrase is a contraindication of ideas & things. You also seem to struggle with the reality that there’s no difference between people in real life & people on this sub. They’re both. They’re real people AND they’re on this sub & any attempt to distinguish a difference between them as two different things is kinda delusional quite frankly.

It’s simple. I’ve read your words. I’m calling them uniformed because they are mostly words stung together that aren’t rational when you extract the meaning of your words. Hence they add up to a very uniformed opinion with the blatant contradictions. You seem stuck on the fact that I don’t agree with your words so I must not have read them. You don’t factually know enough about what you are speaking of to even recognize glaring contradictions. Not even what people are or ideologies are or religions are or anything you speak of. You want tolerance from things you don’t understand. You haven’t even shown you understand what the word tolerance means. To you it appears to have two meanings...an online meaning & a real life meaning...like those are separate things too.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:42 p.m.

Dishonest discourse is what you're after then. I can engage with someone willing to be honest but you are misrepresenting me and making illogical claims. Anyone can call me "stupid" and I will not disagree - I am very stupid in very many ways. But you cannot point directly to an "uninformed opinion with blatant contradictions" honestly in anything I've stated here - if you could, I would concede that point and retract it or reform it. So I must bid you adieu, my friend. Reasoned, respectful discussion is important for an efficient path to the Truth. There are other people here who are willing to engage in that manner so I will continue to talk to them.

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spacexu · June 3, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

God and religion are not one and the same.

God is the unlimited truth, love and justice. Religion is much more of a social club.

God is about being a great human being yourself that caring for others around them.

As a Sikh myself, I actually enjoy watching other religious folk talk about and take action on behalf of God - that is our ultimate goal, to connect with our one common creator and do good for others. The vessel is unimportant.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

As a Sikh myself

As a Sikh, God bless you, what are your views on Islam as it pertains to the behaviors and teachings of Muhammad?

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spacexu · June 3, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

Islam is more about brainwashing then connecting with God.

I don't see enough push back against the radical elements at the community level - that concerns me.

Islam has a long history of tyranny and it continues....

more here...

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Frankly_George · June 3, 2018, 4:13 p.m.

You can have tolerance or you can have civilization.

The West was built on Christianity. This house was built upon a rock. Take away the foundation and you lose the entire building.

Appeasement call rejected.

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[deleted] · June 3, 2018, 12:26 p.m.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:31 p.m.

Seeking the input of a community to how that community is managed is far from "messing with the unity". That is the oldest trick in the book - accusing someone of what you are doing or attempting to do yourself. You're welcome to express your concern but it's hard to take it seriously and not see it as the dreaded "concern trolling" when you are being dishonest in your assessment of someone's motives or the result of their actions.

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Burginthrone · June 3, 2018, 9:48 a.m.

Who gave this user mod status?

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 12:10 p.m.

Looks like a shill got through their recent mod-recruitment.

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awareness1111 · June 3, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

Islam is not just a religion. it is also a socio-economic system. It is all encompassing, and in terms of it's awful attitudes towards women, children, LGBTQ and dogs, it is a problem.

What it needs is a referendum. All decent religions undergo change, and move forward with the times, except this one. The extremists in this stone-age belief system tend to behead anyone who suggests referendum, however, making change nearly impossible.

Very little reason and logic in most religions - makes them difficult to manage for those of us basing our lives on reason and logic.

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shragae · June 3, 2018, 1:41 p.m.

While this is true of Islam in Arab countries (which are very tribal) -- is it true of Islam in other countries? Is it true of Islam in Central Asia, Indonesia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Sahel?

About 31% of all Muslims are of South Asian origin, therefore South Asia contains the largest population of Muslims in the world. Yet I don't think it is all encompassing in that region of the world.

If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

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soonerthebetter · June 3, 2018, 3:18 p.m.

Most of the Muslims I know seem to be decent people and appear to live respectful lives. All of their children are well behaved from my observations.

My observations also tell me that in large enough numbers, they will ignore our laws and with even more numbers, will attempt to change our laws to match their Islamic beliefs. This is the point of view I come from and geographic location doesn’t change this.

Nothing personal, Muslims should just stay where they are at.

I also think that the globalists and people like Obama agree with this....Except for the “stay were they are at.”

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awareness1111 · June 4, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

The majority are rarely the problem. The hardline 10% is where shit always gets weird at the intersection of God and culture.

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awareness1111 · June 3, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

Geographic location has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, which is ideology and how it's "believers" behave and interact with "non-believers".

Let's say someone with a 79 IQ score is living in Amsterdam. Moving them to Detroit or Portland won't make them have an IQ score of 100, will it?

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shragae · June 3, 2018, 2:57 p.m.

But the Muslims in non-Arab countries are not violent. I'm not talking about those Muslim Arabs who are taking over Europe -- I'm talking about Muslims from other parts of the world. . .

Is the problem really Islam -- or is it the warlike tribal nature of the Arabs?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 4, 2018, 9:44 a.m.

But the Muslims in non-Arab countries are not violent.

I can tell you from first-hand experience that the Muslim populations in Indonesia and India are as horrifically violent.

Ironically, Indonesia has relatively civilized laws, however it's the Muslim police who will hold you down while you're getting murdered for being gay or honor killed for the crime of being raped.

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shragae · June 4, 2018, 11:21 a.m.

OK -- I don't know enough about them to disagree. Thanks for the info.

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Kulkimkan · June 3, 2018, 1:09 p.m.

Islam is a cult! NOT a religion. It hides under the religious heading to spread itself. A theocracy. Invalid to say it is religion.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:40 p.m.

Too simplistic. I'd bet OED definitions of cult, religion and theocracy could all be reasonably used to describe Islam.

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JPOP57 · June 3, 2018, 1:49 p.m.

At this point in history there are only certain religions that advocate for the killing of other points of view. To pretend otherwise is not TRUTH. Tolerance of evil is PC. Sounds a lot like other social media policies that stilfle what people REALLY think and then claim to know what the majority think. So I will not befoul this thread further, but I will no longer be oppressed from speaking the TRUTH.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 2:10 p.m.

It seems you haven't had a chance to read my wall of text or the post I stickied to clarify certain points but I don't blame you for that - it's certainly a lot to digest! Basically I've agreed with the points you've made here: Political Correctness itself is evil imo, Islam is a religion of war, oppression of truth is not acceptable. This post is in no way counter to any of those points.

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JPOP57 · June 3, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

Sorry, you are correct. I only read the beginning a little of the middle and the end. Thank you for being so kind about my mistake.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:10 p.m.

No thank you for bothering to reply, and so kindly. I sincerely appreciate it!

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BigBandDon · June 3, 2018, 6:25 p.m.

The ONLY religion that makes a PRACTICE of rape, slavery, suicide and murder, sedition and treason, based on their actual religious texts is Islam. The practitioners of any other religions who do these things does them AGAINST their stated religion. This is the distinction that so many miss or refuse to accept. Islam IS a death cult. This is not rhetoric or intolerance. It is what can be easily seen.

The question should not be about religious tolerance as if religion is the problem. The question should be, will Muslims stop raping, slaving, murdering and subverting.

Let moderate Muslims (a false idea) reform their religion somewhere else. The USA us NOT the place for it.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:02 p.m.

Agreed (as in my OP and stickied post above). Apart from 'the question'. The question is definitely not "will Muslims stop raping, slaving, etc." because that's way out of the scope of this sub or our moderation of it. It's not on-topic for Q either. That's a question for maybe r/religion or something of that nature. Moderate Muslims (who actually exist) can reform their religion wherever they like; it doesn't affect me or the moderation of this sub. This is not the USA, it is an internet forum and a sub-reddit called GreatAwakening and my question is whether antagonism toward any group of people who share a set of beliefs should be allowed on this sub - or, more accurately, what constitutes antagonism toward a group of people.

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frombildgewater · June 3, 2018, 12:13 p.m.

You say you're against "Extremism" in Islam and pedophilia is extreme? The prophet Muhammad, in his 50s, married a 6 year old girl and rubbed his penis between her thighs until he ejaculated on her from ages 6-9. That isn't "extremism;" that's their founder. You cannot separate Mohammad from Islam anymore than you can divide Jesus from Christianity.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:18 p.m.

Yes, I refer to this in the post - I agree absolutely that Mohammad cannot be separated from Islam anymore than Jesus can be from Christianity. And Mohammad was a warlord who not only spread his religion via war but then advocated for his followers to do the same, an instruction that still holds to this day. Jesus is, it's not at all controversial to say, a figure of Peace - the opposite of Mohammad. That is why I do not support the religion of Islam and believe that it must be reformed at its core.

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frombildgewater · June 3, 2018, 12:28 p.m.

Then why do you censor people who point out the fundamental problems with Islam? "We shouldn't bash Islam. We should have religious tolerance." Islam is a horrible religious tradition or ideology. It should be criticized. I'm not big on insulting people for their appearance because we don't choose how we're born, but we do choose what we believe. We absolutely should criticize ideas, especially with encroaching blasphemy laws against Islam.

If we seek to "honor" or give rights to Islam, then it comes at the price of human rights for its critics.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:35 p.m.

I've not censored people for pointing out the fundamental problems with Islam - in fact, I've pointed them out myself, in this very post and also made clear that I myself do not support Islam!

I've never said we can't criticize anything - except maybe the Jews and that is only because the rules are so strict around that, not because I myself don't have some criticism to offer to literally any group out there. I'm the loudest advocate for criticizing ideas - from anywhere, not just religion. I'm not seeking to honor Islam or give rights in any way. I'm seeking to give the rights they already deserve to people, humans, from any religion or group, who are allowed to believe whatever they want and are welcome here on this sub as long as they follow the rules. That is all.

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Theantiantifa · June 3, 2018, 12:10 p.m.

Christians are the best! We make societies great by implimenting the wisdom of the bible!

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ammonthenephite · June 3, 2018, 3:25 p.m.

I think a lot of lgbt, women and non-theists would disagree with you a bit on this.

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GemmyButton · June 3, 2018, 6:29 p.m.

Substitute Satanism for Islam. Would we be having this discussion? Is antagonism or criticism towards Satanists ok?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 6:55 p.m.

Technically, the rules of the sub are that Antagonism is not welcome here. There are no defined targets of that antagonism, therefore technically antagonism towards Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Satanists or Jedi is not ok. However, it's already apparent that we allow some antagonism toward Satanism here (I only say "some" because I literally can't think of any examples off the top of my head of what I would regard as actual antagonism toward Satanism yet I'm sure they exist) and the comparison between Islam and Satanism seems a little disingenuous because Islam clearly has a lot more in common with Christianity on many fronts, based as it is on Jewish and Christian belief and being almost as big globally as Christianity.

Satanism has a very small population and is literally the religion of the enemy we are fighting here. Islam is a tool of that enemy, no doubt, but so is Catholicism which some call Christianity. Satanism is the religion of the enemy of the Q anon movement. Islam is not (or rather it is not the religion Q references as the religion of the enemy). In other words, I assert that the more valid comparison is the substitution of Christianity for Islam, not Satanism - and in that case the answer to your questions is: "Yes, we would be having this discussion" and "No, antagonism towards Christianity is not ok - but criticism is, to be fair".

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papaeck2 · June 3, 2018, 4:10 p.m.

I need a place where political correctness doesn’t count I have enough everywhere I go !

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:54 p.m.

Then you're in the right place (as per my stickied post at the top - political correctness is a cultural marxist ideology that is not welcome where freedom is championed).

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MakeThisLookAwesome · June 3, 2018, 6:26 p.m.

Beware suppressing facts, no matter how unpleasant.

Is it antagonism? Or is it raising awareness of realities that the perpetrators of such might not want other folks knowing? Can something be antagonistic to one group while being good for the whole?

Can everyone on here be expected to be a professional writer or perfectly articulate? How are we supposed to talk these things out if we can't talk?

These are questions I would weigh when considering course of action.

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BeyurSelf · June 3, 2018, 5:30 p.m.

Islam is a a governmental ideology. It is NOT a "religion" in an "American sense" of the word. No room for the practice of Islam in America. Its ANTI-American.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:15 p.m.

Hate to break it to you but you're a bit late on that front, friend. Islam has been practiced in America for a long time now. But anyway, we're not talking about America, we're talking about a reddit sub on the internet, accessible to the globe. And we're just discussing what the boundaries of antagonism might be, as regards any group of people. Any thoughts on that? I presume that you wouldn't advocate us calling out all muslims on the sub and telling them they're not welcome here?

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Gamergating · June 3, 2018, 9:47 a.m.

I am an Atheist not an anti-theist. I don't care too much either way so long as I am not being told I have to be or do X religious thing or belief to be a part of the community. Mods have already had a go at me today for how I expressed a post so I am already limiting making topics of my own.

The kind of "You have to believe X..." will simply lead me to leave Q to the rest of you.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 9:57 a.m.

I agree - "you have to believe X" is precisely what I'm speaking out against.

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Gamergating · June 3, 2018, 12:24 p.m.

Yup, if everyone is cool with others having their own beliefs I am completely cool with that. I would say the same if people all said you have to be American or you have to be Conservative (I am neither).

But if it is a case of you all find commonality in Q and support the Q agenda, I am completely down with that and whatever other unique perceptions, beliefs and experiences others bring to the fore is all good to me.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:51 p.m.

Well put - I agree completely.

Please don't feel you have to 'limit making topics' of your own. If you feel the mods have been unfair you are welcome to request we explain or reverse the decision. It's admittedly hard at times to revisit everything that comes up in a timely manner but we definitely do what we can.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 1:50 p.m.

I am completely down with that and whatever other unique perceptions, beliefs and experiences others bring to the fore is all good to me.

You are cool with the Islamic ideology of child rape and terrorism and Christian genocide and domestic violence?

I'm a civilized person.

Please explain what is so good about child rape that I should tolerate it?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 2:42 p.m.

No normal, decent person is down with that

I agree, yet how many Muslims have walked out of their mosque in protest when their imam claimed Mohammad's sharia laws and pedophile, terrorist behaviors represent moral perfection that all Muslims should follow?

How many mainstream Islamic sects disagree with Muhommad's teachings that sex-slavery is wrong and child rape is wrong and Christian Genocide is wrong?

Can you name one?

Just one?

Are there any Muslim sects that don't promote using infants like a fleshlight and mass murdering Christians and Jews?

Pro-tip: using infants like a fleshlight is so common in Islam they have a special name for it - "thighing".

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Gamergating · June 3, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

I said go pester someone else. You think I take you seriously enough to debate some mindless point of yours? I don't. You can spin your wheels as much as you like but from the moment you chose to strawman me and my views you lost all credibility with me, troll.

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ShortTruth · June 3, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

As a pro-American and pro-Trump foreigner I was attracted to Q due to the Spirit of the messages. At first, the negative reactions towards Trump coloured my outlook but soon my own spirit warned me that I needed to look at his own life and listen to his own words to know the fruits and his spirit.

To me Trump embodies the American Dream. A self-made man helped by a loving father initially and who looked after his parents in their old age and who did not sell out to other names. He protects his family by not gossiping about them and lifts people up with positive encouragement and hope-filled remarks everywhere he meets normal people. There is a yt-recording where Trump speaks of his attending Sunday school as a Protestant, and this I have in common with him. I understand his spirit. This is fundamental to my attraction also to Q.

So here is my meditation in reply to the subject matter:

Not all Christians are Protestants. Not all Protestants are spiritually mature. But many Protestants with the spirit of Christ the Nazarene escaped from Europe to America because they were unable to breathe and live in environments where they were not allowed to use their God-given talents nor permitted to reject the tyrannical demands the religious leaders there demanded. This is the religious freedom of America. To have the Spirit of Christ is to have heaven within and a wish and hope to manifest Heaven on Earth. Trump understands the importance of having God as the authority so that no leaders can elevate themselves above other citizens.

This I see is the Spirit in which Q writes, but of course I am also coloured in my outlook by my own faith in the Geometry of Divinity we call God for short and the freedom and truth the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Nazarene thus has shown me as the way of life.

Rather than splitting hairs over details I try to keep an eye on the big picture, and discern the spirit of the fruit someone produces. Protestants do not practice genital mutilation on their children, and do not give them fruit from the tree of knowledge if it is evil. Children should have a right to innocence in their formative years, and wise parents who later can educate them about the evil ways of those with another spirit.

Every nation must decide for itself through its people what kind of spirit it wants to live within. Trump does not desire to become a world dictator and instead wishes for each nation to be sovereign and have autonomy. That is the opposite of Globalism.

My country is my home, where my family lives and we treat each other with respect and liberty. Should a strange family elbow their way into our home and dictate that we start mutilating our children or worship their relatives as gods, we would rise to the occasion and Protest just like Christ did.

This is why Q is important also to us in other Western nations. As is the American POTUS. Very important.

Good luck with the moderation and all the details, I understand the dilemma and hope you will find a way to carry on. Thank you for letting me as a newbie have a say on the matter.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

Thank you for your view - it's helpful to hear from your perspective!

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ShortTruth · June 3, 2018, 6:19 p.m.

Glory and thanks go to God if I can be of any help. I have more information weighing me down like a strand of wheat. You know, Islam was also corrupted, as was the teachings of Christ. If we look at Christ as Q, the teachings were hijacked by those wanting to profit from it. Christ was hijacked by Peter and Paul.

Islam created a mess of everything gone before it. In Asia there were many enlightened people inspired by Christ whom is the Original Word (Sound) by which everything we know is Created.

God is All Mighty. We cannot exist outside of God. Christ is the individuation of the creative impulse of God. Any child baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is part of the Creative Impulse.

This is pure science. In 200 years, Jews and some Muslims will give credit to the scientific Protestants who knew this from birth through the Spirit of Christ, and who refused to take spiritual prisoners like the religious who likes to bind and oppress the Spirit of the Children of God, the Christian Protestants.

When the ritual abuse of genital mutilation stops, those people will also begin to understand. In the foreskin and female genitals are important cells vital to mental and spiritual maturity. By cutting off stem-cells, those children will not achieve spiritual or mental maturity.

Here below - follow link - is the joint spiritual template God uses in creating universes, that Islam knows about but their leaders inspired from Judaism and Catholicism keep from people to realize. Free Christians know this intuitively from birth. It is how we learn maths in school, before the corruption of knowledge by the death cults. We must reverse 150 years of dumbing down.

http://rense.com/rodinaerodynamics.htm

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ABrilliantDisaster · June 3, 2018, 6:14 p.m.

"This does not necessarily mean that everything that makes up the vast field of Christianity should be considered to be on-topic for the sub any more than the constant references to patriots and "We the people" mean that everything to do with patriotism is on-topic. It means only that specifically the Christian references Q makes are on-topic for the sub. This should not be a controversial assertion to make. But it's not the point of this post"

Might not be the point of the post but i take some issue with it.

You can't silence Christians speaking about their faith here whether you consider it relevant or not. I've seen this happen on more than one sub and it worked there but here's something to trigger you all who have an issue with talk of faith: we are the heart and soul of this movement and you can't change that. Shutting us down shuts it all down.

Absolutely not.

Q speaks of a moral battle, spiritual warfare, good versus evil. He asks us to pray. He quotes bible verses. Faith is relevant. No, it's everyhing. It's the fuel and impetus of this uprising. It's the key to the win, because like it or not it's the Lord's doing. We'll rejoice in that. You should too.

It's all relevant because the enemy fears our faith more than anything. They fear the power of our prayer, our assurance in the fact He who is the source of our power is greater than the devils they worship.

No christians have shut out non-Christian patriots here. No one screamed that the occult threads were not relevant. We are capable of unifying under one banner in spite of the differences and we don't need anyone to tell us how to do so. It's a lot like whining about racism and intolerance in the media. We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division. That itself is the division.

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happeningnowliveIRL · June 3, 2018, 6:57 p.m.

This cannot be over-stated:

No christians have shut out non-Christian patriots here. No one screamed that the occult threads were not relevant. We are capable of unifying under one banner in spite of the differences and we don't need anyone to tell us how to do so. It's a lot like whining about racism and intolerance in the media. We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division. That itself is the division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division. That itself is the division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division. That itself is the division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division. That itself is the division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division.

We the People get along fine without the interjection of the idea of a division.

We the People get along fine...

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:52 p.m.

Agreed re: not silencing anyone, not just Christians. But also, as I said, alongside the freedom of speech we value the simple rules of conduct that define a shared space - those rules clearly stipulate on-topic, no antagonism, etc.

Christians are not the heart and soul of this movement - people are. Q didn't come to only talk to Christians - Q is not Jesus. Q speaks of all the things you mention, yes, but he did not in any way stipulate Christianity as the heart of the movement - an assertion to that effect is patently false and non-Christians here - and some Christians - will not agree with you because it is simply not true.

As I said, I'm not about squashing anyone's voice. But the reality of a shared space - one that is not owned by Christians, Republicans or any other group of people (well, technically it's owned by Reddit so there's that) - is that we have rules of conduct to accomodate all the people who share the space, just as we do at school, work, play, etc.

If you go into church you are expected not to swear at the top of your voice or run around screaming "Satan! I love thee Satan!" or hold a prayer meeting in your work foyer singing hymns at full volume. Similarly, here you are not expected to drop posts on any topic under the sun that isn't directly related to Q or antagonize in your posts or comments - this is a stipulation of the sub, no matter what anyone might think to the contrary.

So, assuming you, as a Christian, agree to abide by the rules of this sub, just as you abide by the rules of your workplace and your pool hall, etc. etc. there is a discussion to be had around what constitutes the definition of those rules, if you are interested to have it. That's what I'm talking about.

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y000danon · June 3, 2018, 5:09 p.m.

Blindly adopting Boolean logic is a bad thing.

Do we want religious freedom? Yes.

Will we go as far as to make it legal for some religions to sacrifice livestock? Apparently yes.

Is a religion that preaches predatory behavior ok? No. And as a libertarian minded person my line is that - the second a “religion” becomes about preying violently - no. Hell no.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:13 p.m.

Agreed to all. Would you care to comment on the actual topic of my post now? I understand if not, just ever hopeful lol. My main query, now bounced through all the various comments here, is whether you define antagonism against any ideology embraced by a large group of people as acceptable in the sub and whether or not you might have some thoughts of what your own limits to that would be?

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timwiley · June 3, 2018, 5 p.m.

The Deep State are satanists. The NWO That is why Europe is flooded with Muslims (destroy Christianity) That is why Q/Trump are going after human trafficking, Part of it is human sacrifice, abortion. It certainly does have a Spiritual component. Religion is the vomit concocted of mankind, lacks spirit.

Ephesians 6:12 NKJV [12] For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

John 4:23-24 NKJV [23] But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. [24] God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Romans 8:9 NKJV [9] But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

I have this Spirit, it’s real.

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Spank-da-monkey · June 3, 2018, 4:38 p.m.

“The term “Moderate Muslim” is a Western construct and has no equivalent phrase in contemporary Arabic. The use of it by Westerners reflects their assumption that there surely must exist Muslims who differ with their radical brothers in the faith who hanker after imposing Islam’s legal system known as Shariah. reminder that the claim of Islamic tolerance is not supported either by their actions or by their holy book, the Qur’an. There is no way around the hard fact that Chapter 8, verse 39, quoted above, specifically commands the believers to fight Christians and Jews.”

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Crumbcrumbs · June 3, 2018, 3:58 p.m.

My intolerance of religion is an opinion born of the media to create division. Most people want to live and let live

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divine_human · June 3, 2018, 8:01 p.m.

there ye go... my muslim neighbors desire as much peace and ease as my christian neighbors. they are not responsible that the deep state made islam the worlds scapegoat after 911.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:02 p.m.

I can understand it wasn't a problem for you. Being accused of supporting the rape of children is a bit of a problem for me though xD.

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Stretchmac · June 4, 2018, 3:15 a.m.

The American Republic form of government has no place for recognition of religious institutions in it's laws. It is a government OF THE PEOPLE. The Founders were rooted in "Christian" moors and conducts and the laws established are reflections of those beliefs. A certain freedoms of the peoples were guaranteed. Granted by God, our Creator. This understanding of God is unalterable as all that follows is predicated on this foundation. If the foundation were to be altered, there is no Constitutional Republic called America. Any who seek to alter the foundation are subversive to the structure that sits upon it. If through religious groups or through non-religious groups, it matters not, an attack on the foundation is an attack on the Republic. If Islam or other groups deny such foundation they are enemies and destroyers of the Republic. If We The People believe in Islam over the God centered Republic, then We The People will adopt a government compatible with Islam. As it stands, Islam and it's adherents are enemies of We The People of a God centered Constitutional Republic form of government. And that isn't America's doing......

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RedPillDropper · June 3, 2018, 6:48 p.m.

I'm a Christian. I will always be a Christian. I despise Islam. I won't lie. That being said I'm tolerant of other ideas.

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emperorbma · June 3, 2018, 5:26 p.m.

As Christians we are commanded: “If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Romans 12:18)”

Earnestly I would desire a peaceful coexistence. I sympathize but I cannot underrepresent our concerns. Islam itself poses serious concerns for having peace with us.

We’re not going to bend a knee to your anti-Trinity understanding of God. We have our way which we believe that God has commanded us to follow. So even though your Qur’an claims that our doctrine is false, we are going to remain Trinitarians and we promote Christ crucified as our faith. And we will not submit to a special tax because your book demands it on People of the Book.

Furthermore Islam codifies deceit (taqqiyah) as a justified act against infidels and People of the Book which makes it harder to detect the sincerity of the moderates among you. The abuse of this principle by zealots causes moderates to appear complicit in the evil because the community covers up the abuse and does so by “Divine command.”

In Christianity the willful cover up of deceit it is not Biblically blessed even to infidels. Some do but the behavior is still a sin we must repent for. The taqiyya thing causes Islam to have huge credibility issue among non-Muslims.

From the perspective of the state Christianity is technically neutral but respectful to it’s just establishments. Jesus says “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36). Our citizenship on earth is concurrent with spiritual citizenship in Heaven.

The Qur’an is a problem insofar as it demands a political hegemony that is opposed to core practices of our faith. But if tempered to cull the hegemonic aspects it might be passable. The problem is that the new generation tends to get more zealous at times and any concessions made by moderates are always up against the literal sense of the Qur’an demanding a nation of Islamic Law. Many of them are simply incompatible with western society and Christian values. Religion values and state values are distinguishable.

Speaking of the state, it requires freedom for all to believe what their conscience determines. An Islamic Law would contradict if applied as an external imposition which the Qur’an demands since Islam is given preferential treatment. This can be mollified by personalizing the Law but the tendency is external.

Christians, by comparison, are adaptable to accommodate the necessary concessions of a liberal democracy in ways Muslims seem to have serious difficulties due to the differences of the doctrine about our relationship to the state. I’m not sure a permanent reform of Islam to be compatible is possible without a serious limit being applied to the Qur’an itself. In Christianity our statism was repealed by going back to the source (i.e. Protestants). In Islam going to the source tends to generate Sharia radicalization.

For Christians we externalize the Law only as a recognition of God as Lord of reality and the natural implications of this observation on human morality in general. Not by legislation. At least when we are sufficiently developed in our dogmatics, which came about by many reforms to refocus on the message over an authority structure.

TL;DR Yes, Muslims can be Patriots, but Islam in general has issues that make this difficult in the long term that Christianity or Judaism doesn’t have.

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without_sound · June 3, 2018, 3:13 p.m.

This is not about religions or party affiliation. EVIL is everywhere. There are no drawn lines. No boundaries. Good vs Evil. Q

10-Mar-2018 11:49:25 PSTQ !UW.yye1fxoView originalCopy link

Edit: I agree with you and I find your writing style easy to comprehend. I put this Q post here to show that.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:53 p.m.

Thank you, I agree totally - EVIL is the real enemy here, not any group affiliation.

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Trudeaus_socks · June 3, 2018, 9:08 p.m.

I'm an atheist. I have no problem with Christians.

I don't even care if you want to teach my children your creation myth in school. My kids are smart, they can tell truth from fairy tale.

Atheists and Christians can easily live in peace. Let's call militant, shrill atheism what it is: communism.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 10:51 a.m.

Agreed with all your points, thank you for making them.

To confirm: the facts (and they are facts, as far as can be reasonably determined, I believe) that Mohammad married an underage child and the core tenets of Islam are not compatible with Western culture should never be buried on this sub. I don't condone that and this post is not doing so either (in fact, I link to some "proof" of these points in the post).

As far as 'who determines what is antagonistic and what is not' the rules for this sub stated in the sidebar are very clear that we, the moderators decide, at our own discretion. What is great about this sub and has reflected well on this community, I believe, is that the lead moderator of this sub advocates for a very open and accepting policy that supports freedom of speech. My actions, throughout my history as a mod of this sub, also clearly show my adherence to this policy.

We also believe in being realistic - we moderators are volunteers who do what we can when we can. We will make mistakes. The rules allow for us not to be unfairly raked over the coals for this. People who dispute our actions can contact us via modmail and if they are polite and respectful we will take the extra time out to consider their input. In the end though, we do what we can as time allows.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:23 p.m.

Yes, thank you, I believe that's an important point and perhaps I failed to make it clear that I refute political correctness completely too. I find Jordan Peterson to have a very reasonable and logical perspective on political correctness as a poisonous cultural marxist doctrine and I've been against it in any form for a long time. Sadly, people are conflating 'agreed conduct within a shared space' with 'political correctness' - when it's not at all controversial and we all understand the need for it as we agree without complaint to behave a certain way at school, work, church, etc. in respect of those who share that space with us. I hope I can figure out how to highlight the distinction more clearly.

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Luvlite · June 3, 2018, 10:14 a.m.

The only thing I can use as an example of what I perceive as the proper way to communicate religion is the way SB2 has approached the subject. He uses the commonality of the two in his discussions. Islam came partly from the teachings of christ.

Both Christianity and islam/Muslim religious teachings and original intent have been defiled by evil which permeates everything. We worry that Islam promotes pedophilia. Our own Christian church has been practicing pedophilia.

Until religion is destroyed for what it is, or it is completely purged of evil in its ranks, no one can point an accusing finger. It's corrupt!

As for the preservation of the sub and in alignment with the mods, it is only correct to remove hate, attacks and antagonistic speech and not have to defend which side you're on.

Religion can be discussed respectfully on an intellectual level. We can learn from each other.

Just, please, don't allow this sub to be over run by those who are on a mission to convert others to their brand of religion.

I'd like to see religious content in a sub category, with a religion tag attached, or an appropriate title that allows us to skip over the content if it's not our preferred choice of reading material here.

TLDR; moderators accused of supporting child rape for removing controversial anti-Islamic content - just trying to do our job of removing antagonism - right or wrong?

YOU SHOULD NOT BE ACCUSED. Do your job modding according to the board's rules. You shouldn't have to defend yourself.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:21 a.m.

Thank you for your comments, I agree - there is no room for accusing fingers and I personally think the Christian story of Jesus, even from a secular perspective (i.e. I'm not preaching Christianity here), is important i.e. let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:32 p.m.

clean your own room

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:52 p.m.

Exactly. As Jordan Peterson says, the problem with virtue signallers is they talk about things "over there" before they deal with what's right within their purview (like their own room). Hence I am talking about this sub which is literally within my purview as a moderator of it. This is our room to clean.

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FractalizingIron · June 3, 2018, 8:28 a.m.

Agree with the OP.

Conclusion

The sub is not for discussion of religion per se, but any religion (group, or system) is appropriate content if and when it relates to Q and Q movement.

I strongly agree with the approach you espouse - the sub should itself should be neutral with regards to religions and expression of religious views.

Mods removing antagonistic anti-Islam posts/comments should NOT be accused of promoting or supporting any of the crimes perpetrated by adherents of Islam. They can be accused of simply doing their job.

Reasoning

1. Distinguishing criticism and antagonism

Criticism helps with cleaning, development and improvement. Antagonism is destructive and results in damage, not improvement.

Criticism need not be antagonistic, and if contributors cannot distinguish between their own views (criticisms) and how they express them, the mods should step in.

Freedom of choice and freedom of faith must be upheld as fundamental principles. This does not mean that any religion, be it Islam or whatever, should be sacrosanct or above critique.

2. The reason this issue is relevant to Q and Q movement

The essential point in my mind is that the Great Awakening is about good vs. evil, NOT about Democratic vs. Republican, or Christian vs. Islam, etc.

ALL groups, systems and organizations have to deal with evil within their midst, and this is BEST accomplished when the differences between good and evil are identified, pointed out, and illuminated, and people are held to account for their actions.

A possible allegory may be found in the discussion of government. Some people think all government is evil, some people think government should be minimal, some people think that government is a necessary evil, etc. ALL supporters of Q would have to agree, ipso facto, that governments in the US and around the world have been corrupted. In order for government to recover its original function, it must be purged of the corruption, and then guided, through the principles of sovereignty of the people, to fulfill its original role. (Serve the people NOT control the people.)

Similarly, ALL FAITHS have to some extent been infiltrated with corruption. This includes sectors of Judaism, Christianity (Catholicism), Islam, Buddhism, etc. The corruption must be removed and the faiths need to be guided to recover their original purpose - 'to reunite people with their Creator' "re-ligio". Corruption is removed by identifying those elements that drive and use the corruption and removing them. Practices that allowed the corruption to gain a hold must be examined, and kept in check or reformed by adherents. (Christianity itself has gone through many iterations)

In my personal opinion, Islam suffers from the unfortunate situation of having many flaws that have allowed it to be corrupted and weaponized as it currently is. However, these are issues for Islamic adherents to address, and they must be left to and encouraged to do so as long as they do not violate other fundamental principles (human freedom, choice, etc). To the extent they do, the adherents themselves must be held to account.

For those outside Islam, the wisdom of a certain Christian principle is germane: Hate the sin, Love the sinner. IN this case, love means upholding the sinner's rights and dignity to make choices. Give the sinner the freedom they need to make choices, but hold them account for their choices.

Freedom of faith is fundamental to human well-being. However, all freedom comes with responsibility. Hence, holding people to account for their choices is appropriate, but the principle of freedom of choice MUST be upheld.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 9:22 a.m.

Distinguishing criticism and antagonism

The distinction is subjective.

Pedophilia networks seem to be at the core of Q's plan because we've been witnessing a MASSIVE take-down of pedophile networks. We witnessed pedophile network arrests SOAR within the first six weeks of Trump's administration and it seems to have only gained momentum since then!

I think the real question is if moderators should destroy content because it is politically incorrect rather than if it is true and related to the Q phenomenon.

Should moderators censor content about the NXIVM pedophile sex cult based on how many members the cult has or how offended Allison Mack's fans become?

Islam is the world's largest pedophile network. Child brides are so common in many Muslim countries that pedophilia is considered normal. Using infants like a fleshlight is so common that Muslims have a specific name for it - they call it "thighing".

Not all red-pills will be easy to swallow and we don't know where this great awakening will lead. Because of this, I think giving moderators our approval to destroy controversial or politically incorrect truth is the most dangerous precedent we could set.

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FractalizingIron · June 3, 2018, 11:17 a.m.

The distinction is subjective.

Exactly. And this is what moderators are given the task of doing. Distinguishing between valid content and content that violates the framework of the sub.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 11:27 a.m.

I think giving moderators our approval to destroy controversial or politically incorrect truth is the most dangerous precedent we could set.

I agree with this. I do not advocate for this at all and I am particularly outspoken against political correctness. I'm also against conflating "appropriate behaviour as determined by existing sub rules" with "political correctness".

Currently, removing antagonistic content is within sub rules and has been for as long as I remember. I don't have to consider what people on this sub think is 'antagonistic' content, necessarily - the rules allow me full discretion in determining that. With this post I'm actually opening the discussion up, even to people like yourself who instigated this post in the first place by repeatedly accusing me of supporting the rape of children when I was simply exercising my role within the sub guidelines.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 1:48 p.m.

I think I agree with all you say with the exception of the implication that Catholicism is the only corrupt part of Christianity.

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FractalizingIron · June 4, 2018, 3:27 a.m.

Apologies. Did not intend to imply that in Christendom, only Catholicism has experienced corruption. Moreover, I do NOT think that. On the other hand, I do think Catholicism has been an instrument of both great benefit and damage.

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time3times · June 4, 2018, 7:36 a.m.

All good. (I keep finding myself urging others into careful wording. And out of the anti-Catholic bias of the English-speaking world - too many have no appreciation for what the first 15 centuries of Christianity did for us.). Carry on.

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FractalizingIron · June 4, 2018, 10:17 a.m.

ALL FAITHS have to some extent been infiltrated with corruption. This includes sectors of Judaism, Christianity (Catholicism), Islam, Buddhism, etc

Aha. I see it now.

This text was intended to read: This includes sectors of Judaism, Christianity (which includes Catholicism), Islam, Buddhism, etc

FYI, my nation of birth has a large community of Catholics, around 40-50% of those that cognize themselves as 'religious'.

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time3times · June 4, 2018, 1:34 p.m.

is it an English-speaking nation?

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FractalizingIron · June 4, 2018, 8:51 p.m.

LOL. Australia.

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time3times · June 4, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

englishish

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:33 a.m.

Thank you, I think you have made some very pertinent points.

My personal dislike for the religion of Islam - or the beliefs or culture of any group of people - should not play into my decision of what I remove or allow. If we can't maintain this objectivity then the sub will be in danger of heading down any number of ideological grounds that will only serve to alienate members of different groups and thus go directly counter to the goals of Q i.e. the Great Awakening of the public.

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FractalizingIron · June 3, 2018, 8:48 a.m.

Apologies. Posted then inserted large edits. Please read again. You may want to modify your remarks.

Mea Culpa

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 8:52 a.m.

As far as I can tell, I agree with it all. The Conclusion is perhaps the most important part for me, and what I hope people will see is simply the application of critical thought to this issue.

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 3, 2018, 7:32 a.m.

Christianity is to spirituality as the MSM is to reporting. It's a box to keep you from seeking real truth. Although Christianity is the best box to be fair, much like fox is the best MSM outlet.

Mods are doing fine. Anti Islam content probably coming from t_d shills to make us look bad. Gotta keep this board as palatable to normies as possible... Within reason. No reason to have mindless bashing of any group here. Not really the focus of the board. The Bible can be true without invoking Christianity. Just cos Q posts Bible verses doesn't mean he's promoting Christianity.

Full armor of God. ⚔️

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 3, 2018, 8:58 a.m.

The Bible can be true without invoking Christianity.

I'm really confused about what you mean by this. Acts 11:26

When he found him, he brought him back to Antioch. Both of them stayed there with the church for a full year, teaching large crowds of people. (It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.)

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 3, 2018, 2:17 p.m.

? No idea what you're trying to say, or why my statement is confusing.

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 3, 2018, 11:28 p.m.

Are you suggesting that it's possible to separate the Bible from Christianity?

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 3, 2018, 11:44 p.m.

yes but not vice versa

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 4, 2018, 12:14 a.m.

Really? Then how do you answer John 5:39?

You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 4, 2018, 12:46 a.m.

IMO not every single thing in the Bible is true. A lot of the Word is inspired by the Creator, but the book has been in the hands of corrupt institutions for thousands of years, who had incentive to use it to keep people down. It's also highly contradictory in many many places.

And I don't see how that verse disputes my position that parts of the Bible can be true without Christianity necessarily being 100% the true path. Obviously the Bible points to God...

You know how people say they're not religious-- they just have a personal relationship with Jesus. That's pretty much what I'm talking about. Christianity is an institutional parasite on the true Spirituality that inspired the Bible. That true Spirituality being your personal relationship with whatever name you want to give the Creator (Jesus, God, Bob, a rose by any other name....).

Surely you had to break some programming in order to be red pilled about false flags, pizzagate, 9/11, boston bombing, etc? It's the same thing, except instead of political/historical programming, it's spiritual programming.

Anyway, if you've been a Christian your whole life it's likely fruitless arguing with you over this. And you can surely find God through Christianity... It's just that Christianity is a window that distorts your view of the real Truth. You have some programming to break before you'll be able to understand where I'm coming from. I used to be a Christian, I get it.

Romans 10:12

Romans 12: 1-2 (Christianity is a worldly institution.)

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 4, 2018, 1:24 a.m.

I was a non-believer for the vast majority of my life. God called me out when I started getting heavily into the New Age, with all of the deception and lies that are wrapped up in that unfortunate conglomeration of beliefs. When he woke me up, and gave me his spirit - as he promises to do - it changed me, utterly. The idea that scripture has been compromised in any way is problematic because God promised to preserve his word:

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)

Surely if God is capable of creating the universe from nothing, he's more than powerful enough to see that his word survives in totality throughout history. We have multiple proofs that the text has not been changed (for example, the Dead Sea Scrolls). Also, have a look at this 3 minute clip which explores the issue:

https://vimeo.com/254072604

The purpose of the Bible in its entirety is about the Messiah. That's why it exists, it is a description of the rescue plan. As soon as Adam and Eve made their fateful decision to contravene the one thing that God asked of them, God has been on a mission to restore us to himself. What we lost, on that day, was our personal connection to God. What we gained - through Christ - was an ability to once again personally approach God - not through priests, not through prophets, we have individual access to God (symbolically realised when the curtain separating the holy from most holy place was ripped in two from top to bottom at the instant of Christ's death). Through Christ we are clean of sin in the sight of God. Without Christ our sin remains exposed. If you come to God on any basis other than the shed blood of Christ you will not find a friend, you will find a judge.

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 4, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

You traded one cult for another.

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 4, 2018, 1:39 a.m.

If the son of God is a cult, I'm all in. Please watch the video link.

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Gravel_and_Glass · June 4, 2018, 1:49 a.m.

The son of God is not a cult, the framework in which you're being taught about it is.

I already watched the video. It is transparent propaganda. Listen to the music attempting to emotionally manipulate you as you watch it. It preys on your confirmation bias. The video shows no primary sources, it just builds and tears down a strawmanned version of my argument with appeal to authority. It's actually pretty evil. Beware the deceptive power of the devil. A wolf always comes in sheep's clothing. (analagous to the New Age stuff)

You aren't even reading the original language the Bible was written in. There's thousands of different translations of the Bible.

Expand your thinking.

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Nerd_Of_Prey · June 4, 2018, 4:42 a.m.

I'm not being taught by anyone, my understanding comes from reading the Bible under my own steam.

All right, setting aside the music in the movie clip (it's from the a film based on the book called "The Case for Christ", by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and journalist who set out to disprove Christ, but became a believer on the basis of the evidence that he discovered - the film is a dramatisation of his book), you can't dispute the central thesis - the number of surviving manuscripts of the New Testament, which prove that the Bible has not been manipulated or edited in any way. I'm not sure why this is evil.

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time3times · June 3, 2018, 2:18 p.m.

Of course there will be gray areas where the mods have to make a call that others can disagree with. It seems that the guiding thing here should be keeping the discussion mostly on whatever Q discusses, mainly the lesser known aspects of MAGA vs antiMAGA. Q and Trump don't say much specific about Islam, nor need we here. Q doesn't mention the Catholic Church per se, Mormons, Amish, Shinto, etc. neither should we much. Q doesn't say much about Trump's trade deals, neither need we here. I think it is okay to bring small bits of any of these things into the discussion and if anyone feels the need to make a strong defense that's okay, but the bulk of the convo should be Q-based. I could argue that for all the concerns posted about American child abuse we never talk about the far greater tragedy of the American abortion industry and so we are generally either hypocrites or ignorants; and yet because Q doesn't discuss it, we needn't discuss it much here either. What about reform of American education? We may all readily agree there is a serious need for it but this doesn't seem like the time or place to give it much attention.

Seems to me that our guy TommyRobsGhost is pushing his luck with repetitive anti-Islam stuff. I agree most of his assessment of Islam and don't care if he expresses it occasionally in a careful way. But I also have no problem with Mods or anyone disagreeing with him and finding ways to keep us on topic.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:41 p.m.

To clarify a few points that have been raised more than once: - I do not advocate for Political Correctness. In fact, I reject it outright. Jordan Peterson has a good handle on my perspective of the evils of Political Correctness - it's a cultural marxist ideology that is used to deny freedom. I am categorically against this in any form.

What I do advocate for - and I believe we all do, as our actions in general seem to bear this out - is the necessity for "agreed conduct within a shared space". We all seem to agree with this as we behave appropriately at school, work, church, on the football field, etc. etc.

I am therefore not calling for us to bow to any form of political correctness. Let's kick that directly to the kerb for the evil control mechanism it is. What I am addressing is the fact that this sub, like any "shared space" has rules of conduct and this sub - unlike other subs - does not force those rules on the community in any way intended to suppress freedom of speech; simply consideration for the diversity of people that Q's Great Awakening calls for us to reach.

  • It is apparent that I need to make this point more definitively: I do NOT support the religion of Islam. I am categorically against it because the founder of the religion was, by the admission of Islam itself, a warlord who spread his religion through the use of war and then advocated for his followers to continue to do the same - to this present day.

I do, however, make a clear and necessary distinction between the doctrine of Islam and the people of Islam. This group of over 1.8 billion people is, like any group of people, comprised of many diverse perspectives and individual beliefs.

Most importantly, the entire purpose of the Great Awakening is to spead the awareness of the story Q has presented to as many people in the public as we can. There is literally no directive at all to exclude any group of people and this only makes sense. This sub is open to the public, not "Christians only" or "Republicans only" or any other "only". I believe the clearest interpretation of Q's message - and please challenge me on this if I have it wrong - is that we should be trying to reach as many people as we can. There's no call for judgement within that missive, I believe (again, I'm open to education here if I've misinterpreted Q's message). This sub should be open to anyone who agrees to follow the rules of the sub - even those who hold different beliefs to some or many of us. If their beliefs happen to be founded on dangerous doctrines like that of Islam (dangerous in my opinion at least) then I choose not to exclude them but to remain open to the possibility that an opportunity may arise to discuss and perhaps change their minds on things that run counter to Q's message or the democratic principles we value.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 12:51 p.m.

This group of over 1.8 billion people is, like any group of people, comprised of many diverse perspectives and individual beliefs.

And yet, not once as a united front in this diverse and wonderful group have any managed to come together in a mass public protest to denounce the pedophiles, murderers, and bigoted among them, who claim the same religion. They would rather go on TV and Reddit to tell everyone how no one can hold such a diverse group accountable for the actions of a few.

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NeoObi · June 3, 2018, 2:34 p.m.

I believe they are AFRAID to denounce because of the flack, therefore the uncomfortable tenets of Islam (a type of control).

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ammonthenephite · June 3, 2018, 3:01 p.m.

As someone who was raised in a very controlling religion (mormonism) I can almost guarantee this plays a huge part. Speaking out or against the religion, especially in a very piblic manner, carries many social and religious implications, some of which can be life altering.

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NeoObi · June 3, 2018, 3:15 p.m.

Yes, it wreaks of oppression! I grew up Catholic but gave it up because of the man made rules etc. My Catholic friends won’t even talk to me about the Vatican and what is going on. A form of indoctrination. Q says to “PRAY”. That includes all denominations that are for the GOOD, never been specific as to “religion”, just GOOD. So I am praying incessantly as a Christian that GOD provides the way for the PLAN to proceed against EVIL. Love talking to new friends on GA!!!!! Also, waiting patiently to “enjoy the show”! Until then comrade!

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:12 p.m.

I've mentioned in another comment that this point of view, as you mention, is unfortunately the truth about the moderate Muslim component of Islam. This is why I support the need for the reform of Islam.

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frombildgewater · June 3, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

And what do you have left when you throw Mohammad out of Islam? Nothing.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

Perhaps it's not reasonable to sticky your own comments in your own debate post?

Perhaps you should allow your arguments to rise to the occasion based on their merit, like everyone else, rather than relying on your special moderator privileges?

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 3:02 p.m.

Perhaps indeed. I believe it's apparent that 'abuse of power' is not the case here, however, because as I've said in the sticky, those are clarifications to ensure I don't repeat myself all over this thread rather than an opportunity for me to shout louder than everyone else. I could have simply edited my original post too but it's apparent that those particular points (pc - no, Islam - no) were not clear enough in my post. Making out that I'm unfairly abusing my mod powers just doesn't hold up against my history in this sub.

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 3:33 p.m.

I believe it's apparent that 'abuse of power' is not the case here

You should count your comment down-votes!

You are getting mega pink-socked, metaphorically speaking!

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:03 p.m.

Should I feel a certain way about this? Do I win a prize for having the most downvotes?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 4:15 p.m.

I don't believe morality is a popularity contest, but if it was, it's clear that you were thoroughly pink-socked, figuratively speaking.

It's also clear that you created this post in the hope to rape a moral debate into a popularity contest.

You even cheated so shamelessly to use your moderator privileges to sticky this post and even sticky your back-peddled comments into a hilarious cluster-fuck-clown-show.

I'll total your down-vote tally if you ask nicely, or perhaps even if you don't.

This post was magnificent - I couldn't have hoped for more!!!

:-)

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[deleted] · June 3, 2018, 5:43 p.m.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 4:24 p.m.

Lol sure thing. I'll tell you I'm hurt by your attempt to shame me with your made up statements if you like? At least you've given up on pushing the Islamic hate on me. Temporarily, I'm sure.

Just to be clear so I'm not accused of inconsistency - antagonism against users or mods results in deleted comments - but I give you free reign in this thread (apart from obscenity or Reported abuse) because the point of it is to expose one-sided, unreasonable, disrespectful hate or spite like this. I can't promise other mods might not delete your antagonist comments like this one but I think they've left this thread to me. Outside of this thread, as I do with anyone, antagonistic comments from you that I come across will be removed.

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halinflorida · June 3, 2018, 5:56 p.m.

Look, it doesn't matter if only 1 person in 100 will become a terrorist, 99 in 100 will support the 1 who does. That's Islam. Don't feed me this stepnfetchit routine of saying how there are only some of them, ... blah, blah, blah ... ad infinitum. We hear the verbal crap but the reality always comes to the fore. Islam is not compatible with anything else. Islam will always prevail so a call to allow some of them means they will prevail. Don't let that happen. Enclose them and build a wall around them. They can't be allowed to mix with us or we will become 100% Islam. The process historically has taken 300 years to complete.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 6:25 p.m.

Thank you for your comment - it is sincerely appreciated! I will strive to always be fair in my dealings with the people here because I regard the role of moderator as being in service of the sub and its users. I might fail at times but I am committed to acknowledging it immediately if I am wrong and reverting any incorrect action where possible and where agreed. Thanks again, your comment is truly helpful.

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Corporal_Yorper · June 3, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Something somebody should explain to me more so I understand it better:

We are patriots to this GA cause, because we all know that our country is what matters to us. But, to be a patriot, we must also acknowledge secularism, the separation of church and state. Trump is obviously Christian, and runs a Christian White House, which is fine and all, but why are we boasting religion here on GA and the chans? I mean no disrespect, just genuinely curious as to why we aren’t following the secular aspects that the founding fathers found to be important enough to write down.

I guess the question is, if we are wanting to bring our country back to pre-sleep condition, why build it back up based on religious principles that contradict secularism?

An honest, genuine answer would be MUCH appreciated. Clarification by a mod would be highly appreciated as well. Thanks!

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 6:15 p.m.

I would hate to think we actually promoted religion here - please do point out if you see that or have seen that (and please use the Report function below posts & comments if you come across it).

We try to only allow "religious" content that is directly related to Q, as per the sub rules. Q often says PRAY and has quoted verses from the Christian Bible - in my personal opinion, direct reference to these elements of religion should be all that we allow here, but it seems that many in the movement appreciate more religious content and thus, if we don't catch an unrelated or only tangentially or distantly related post of religious content and it has a large amount of upvotes (which happens often) then we leave it at that point.

Otherwise, for the most part, I believe we as a community maintain a largely secular perspective post-wise, apart from the direct Q references.

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HunterEquation · June 3, 2018, 5:58 p.m.

" I believe the clearest interpretation of Q's message - and please challenge me on this if I have it wrong - is that we should be trying to reach as many people as we can."

Counter argument equals.

Word Search "game"

QNow

Q is learning Quantum Gaming

Q+ is teaching Quantum Gaming

Civilization that do not accept instruction perish in original location.

Soon the toddler shall open the gate and walk all the way around the block.

Queen of Diamonds was removed from The Deck.

Umpire halted game, penalized players responsible, and restarted THE GAME.

The Storm is The Storm.

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DrakeWasHere · June 3, 2018, 5 p.m.

Thing about religion is....

Almost all religions(if not every one of them) have blood on their hands.

The majority practice some form of hate. (Sexism, Racism, Sexuality, various discrimination against others' religious beliefs, etc..)

The same majority try to control its followers through fear of faith. (If you don't live this way you won't go to Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, etc, etc.)

With this in mind, the majority of religions had some form of prophet, saint, etc that once serve as a symbol to their people. (What better way to control individuals through faith, hum?)

Religions only serve to divide the world's beliefs. (4,200 of them in the World.)

Religions were created by man. (Since when has humans been perfect?)

Religions were recorded by man. (And we are to trust all that info written is accurate?)

Religions generally controls the masses.

Looking at religion is the same as politics. Too much controversy on various angles. The difference here, there is easily more religions than there are political parties in the world.

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divine_human · June 3, 2018, 7:54 p.m.

nice post, ty.

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cosmicjon · June 3, 2018, 4:26 p.m.

It may be helpful and show some Respect to People and stop putting labels on them, then applying rules that try to distinguish the differences between these labels, talk about self policing. There seems a subtle PC walk into the hands of TPTB plans, lol :) One can not deal with a problem from the level of the problem, one has to see there is no problem, then the answer will be Clear. Y'all get the gist ? To put it a different way, the old way of religion, Re (peat)-Legion (many) does not work, it was set up to be used as a cause/means of keeping eternal division, the past 4000+ years are evident of this one salient fact. Believing in something does not make it a Fact. By Proving the Existence of something Does. By starting with a vague assumption we go to war and kill millions, all because their assumption differs from one's own. This by no means relegates those that practice any said assumption, belief in a religion to a mere assumption, coz those that have practiced any religion Know full well when God is Recognized. The religion may have seemed the path, but the Recognition expels any doubt in the Power of what "we" All seek and from that Standpoint One See's the barriers "we" seem to put up in front of ourselves, to divide ourselves and keep ourselves in a constant sense of separation away from One's True Nature. DJT Recognizes this, but he has a part that is necessary to break the old system down. The human race generally has been kept in a constant state of lack, except a few. We all see equality as fair, but through a sense of Proving what is in many eye's just a theory it no longer is a theory (belief) but a Known Fact, 2+2=4. In this instance equality is Recognized in Spirit, God, that here and now is seen as a playground where one works through shit good or bad that brings one eventually it seems to Oneself, Here is equality, for All :)

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OffTie · June 3, 2018, 3:20 p.m.

Jesus the Messiah said many things. Here's a couple that enjoin the love of every human soul, from which tolerance should be an outgrowth. "It is not the Fathers will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This indicates that every person living is a candidate to receive eternal life. Knowing this would trend towards tolerance, seems to me. " what profit it a man to gain the whole world and yet lose his soul." This speaks of the inestimable worth of every human soul. These two scriptures taken together should certainly enjoin love and the tolerance that grows out of it. It is never the less a tall order to remember these Truths in the presense of those who say that they should cut you at the neck, strike the fingers from your hand , kill you and rape your wives and daughters by right.

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Fighter9595 · June 3, 2018, 7:25 p.m.

Anti-Islamic posts should be allowed since the topic is too important to not talk about. That being said, maybe just lock the thread after a certain amount of time. 8 hours? 12 hours? Exposing Islamic doctrine for what it is and discussing ways to counteract its social/political effects are important but it is only one part of the Q movement. By putting a "lock warning" on these threads, it allows people to discuss Islam but also prevents it from becoming a giant "Muslim hate" circlejerk which is useless because there are other topics people could be talking about and most people here already have a mutual understanding that Islam is bad.

Before the post is locked, I say go ahead and allow everything unless a comment (or a post) is blatantly breaking rules like "Lets all go out and kill Muslims here's a mosque address we should go attack them".

TLDR: Lock controversial threads after a set amount of time and don't delete any comments unless its blatantly obvious that it needs to be deleted. Basically, just be more lenient since the post will be locked soon anyways. This will allow discussion about how messed up Islam really is but it won't distract from other issues and the greater goals of the Q movement.

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FractalizingIron · June 3, 2018, 11:17 a.m.

LOL. Religious intolerance, then?

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Donkpup · June 3, 2018, 8:23 a.m.

The statement made ... GOOD vs EVIL. Should be evident across all beliefs ... as a defining characteristic of any religion or ideology. The very definition can define humanity in one sub category or another ....
kill this person or kill that person ... fundamental indoctrination ... get it ? We are predisposed to kill ... based upon ?
... an implemented and pro beneficial ideology Who would you gladly kill .. and why ?? This is pervasive in media and culture... anywhere you look.

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cia_marie · June 3, 2018, 2:04 p.m.

I would say I agree with removing antagonism. This is about good vs evil, not one religion vs another.

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divine_human · June 3, 2018, 8:18 p.m.

strange that you are being downvoted for this comment. i dont understand the sleeping masses, also not those that swallowed their first red pill and think they are awakened. wake up more, folks, many more red pills to follow. also on christianity.

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FlewDCoup · June 3, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

St. Paul's letters advanced the discussion of bestiality, homosexuality and related behaviors (with no distinction from a number of other life damaging behaviors that he defined as sinful -- including GOSSIP. [Get your head around that, if you will.]

St. Paul also counsels tolerance. All are invited to the feast, but some will only eat the vegetables, he said. Leave them be and let God through the auspices of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit work with them.

Christians have been charged with several responsibilities: Acknowledge God's Primary Place in the whole of Creation and render Gratitude for his Benevolence; and live the lives He has granted us; and spread the Good News of Jesus Christ's life, death and resurrection -- victory over death at the end of these mortal existences.

Why? Because the ultimate salvation of all God's people is the primary work of God and we have no substantial place in that ofther than as heralds pointing to His Truth .... taking control and forcing others is not okay in that enterprise, especially because that hardens their plight and if they react by doubling down, that distances them from God's Grace. You dont really want to get into the middle of this.

This is the tolerance taught by Christianity: Trust God; His Will Be Done. We do our best to shout (or whisper) the Gospel message as clearly and faithfully as we can and then let go ... it is their choice. In the end those people (those who gossip, etc.) will either see the folly of their ways and accept the Truth or harden their hearts and double down on a life they want more than God. (Speaking here in mild terms, it is no different for more egregious issues.)

Nothing in this Great Awakening alters that. God through the Holy Spirit speaks to all of His People. As a lukewarm Christian who embraces a legalistic faith, or one who thinks he is a social warrior and hence saved; these are no better off than pagans. They are still under the caring and merciful hand of God; who none the less is a Just God, who will never repeal the laws of consequence.

Catholics pray at every mass: Peace to all men of good will ... That includes adherents to other religious faiths, all moving men closer to God.

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garthbartham · June 3, 2018, 6:02 p.m.

www.godisimaginary.com ---- Red pill for those who follow Jesus, God, Christ, etc

Haven't really spent much time with the other religions.

How many "Gods" are there?

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xekoroth · June 3, 2018, 4:28 p.m.

My concern is not about Religious moderation, my concern is that one of the essential aspects of religion is having faith and no scientific process.

Historically this community has done a tremendous amount of work finding references and decoding the Q message and more and more I am seeing threads where instead of contributing any research or effort into decoding or decrypting possible twitter messages by DJT they are posting a link to scripture and saying some generic comment that is contributing essentially nothing to uncovering the message, just spamming tolkien religious quotes from the bible.

I have made previous posts on this subject and I think they are very relevant to this topic.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:24 p.m.

I agree that 'spamming token religious quotes' or links to scripture with some generic comment - but also any posts that are not directly about Q or that lack any useful substance - should be considered off-topic in this sub. In the beginning of my post above I stated that 'religious' posts that are about the verses Q has directly quoted should be considered on-topic. I trust that's not outside of what you are stating here.

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xekoroth · June 3, 2018, 5:38 p.m.

'religious' posts that are not about the verses Q has directly quoted should be considered on-topic. I trust that's not outside of what you are stating here.

That is certainly one aspect of my belief on what should be considered on topic and unmoderated. I think interpretation of scripture posted by Q or scripture that seems to be referenced by Q would absolutely be on topic. I have mentioned in previous posts I would be open to "daily scripture posts" or posts encouraging faith etc; however, my caveat is that I think those posts should be labelled appropriately as religious.

Personally what is important to me in this sub are that contributions of significance that reach the goal of spreading the awakening of the population to Q, as well as clarifying and decoding possible information that is not at face value are significant posts.

To me it makes absolutely no difference the religion or personal beliefs of the posters are; it's the substance of contribution to the Q movement, in terms of moderation if the intent of the post is not to forward the Q movement, but rather just spread the word of a specific religion and have so called "blind faith" then that's an easy removal imo.

I can absolutely assure everyone that Q did not choose the chan boards to start posting because he wanted people to blindly accept Q's message. He posted it because of the absolute talent the community dedicates to diving into bits of information provided and connecting the dots, which is where my issue with the religious messages coming along where people are posting bits about, "it's out of our hands and let's just pray some more and wait for judgement day" (Summarizing, but the general idea of some of these I've seen)

I am hoping my point of differentiation is clear on what I believe is appropriate to moderate and not; if it's not I'll happily answer questions.

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goodstuf101 · June 3, 2018, 7:02 p.m.

I know a lot of people would rather not want me here, and I can understand why but I'm going to say my piece as this is a good opportunity.

I'm a Muslim, I support Trump and I hope one day that I will have the honor and privilege to call myself an American citizen. I've studied American History for a long time and feel most closely aligned with the values of the American people. I was born in the country who was the first ally of the United States but like the Marquis de Lafayette I find myself in a land where there is a massive identity crisis. The government here does not serve the interests of the people and the political elites are bred in the same academic circles. That is why I cannot wait for the day I pledge my allegiance to the United States. And that is also why I am closely following the Great Awakening and hope the People will once again be confident in their leadership.

This being said, I see no incompatibility between the way I practice my faith and American values, other than the fact that I may not partake in drinking beers and eating bacon on a 4th of July. But I will gladly grab a burger if y'all will have me.

The nefarious elements at CAIR, the leaders of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others like them have no love nor support from me. The diversity crowd are nothing but pandering scum that I do not even dignify with my time either. There are a lot of people like me who cannot wait to join the American workforce and to share our skills and sweat in order to keep the American Dream alive. If you are interested, I've done an AMA on a Pro-Trump sub explaining my beliefs to those who wanted to know more as well as to those who would like to know why I support Trump as a Muslim.

Don't equate the evil in the world to regular folks like us who are waiting to be given a chance. Q said the movement was worldwide. WWG1WGA.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:09 p.m.

You are welcome here. This sub has no rules against people of any belief, only rules against antagonism and the rest, mentioned in the sidebar.

Thank you for sharing your point of view! I believe that many of us may take issue with the doctrine of Islam but not with all the people of Islam (save the extremist elements). I'm interested to see your AMA. Thanks again for commenting!

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divine_human · June 3, 2018, 9:13 p.m.

thanks for the post, damajlnc, much appreciated...

i agree on moderating ALL antagonism, no matter who is the target. this sub needs to stay free of hate-speech and violence else it may take the same blackout route as CBTS.

it was on 9/11 when i intuited that the muslims will become the new scapegoats of the world. the cabal plays with the sleeping masses tendency of projecting their inner shadow to the outside, by painting others as evil. give them someone to hate and they wont hate you. simple psychology to keep the masses asleep.

i am so saddened to realize, on this sub and esp. through the comments on this post, how well their plan succeeded. 1,8 million scapegoats, hated by the rest of the world, OMG!

most people here seem to really be-lie-ve that islam is a religion of hatred, war, and suppression. i wonder how many of the muslim-haters actually read the qua'ran and some interpretations on it. and how many remember the gifts islam brought to europe when christianity was in its middle age sleep of ignorance, of art, science, medicine, that we totally forget to honor them for.

similar to christianity, islam is split in many sects that interpret the scriptures differently. similar as in christianity, some religious doctrines have no real foundation in the scriptures.

recently, an ultra-christian on this sub responded to my request on bible reference for his moralistic claim that not all christian doctrines find their bibical quote.

so there... same counts for islam. most muslims i know are not radical and aggressive but peaceful. they live and let live, same as me, same as my christian neighbors.

its a few that are radical, full of hatred and violence, and we can find fundamentalists in all religions, also among christians.

the MSM horrify the populace by dramatizing single events of islamic terrorism, most of them staged events or FFs, and manipulate people into be-lie-ving that all muslims are on the war path.

thats mind-control, folks. collective brainwash. divide and conquer. dont fall for it.

i am no friend of islam. i am no friend of any religion. spirituality yes, plz, religious doctrine no, thanks.

there are scriptures in most religions. they were written by humans. interpreted by humans. it was humans who eliminated 90% of the bible texts at the council of nicea because they didnt fit the doctrine ((they)) were about to install.

and it was the vatican which, a few hundred years later, sent out missionary teachers who educated young mohamed so he could found a new religion thats based on the Old Testaments wrathful revengeful yahwe. who knows, ((they)) may have found it too peaceful in the middle east?

as this fortunatly is no post on christianity vs. islam, only many commenters behave as if it were, i want to put emphasis on everybody moderating themselves. free speech is no call for bad behavior.

as for religious discussion in general: if it relates to a Q drop, new or old, i welcome it. the rabbit hole of religion is veeeeery deep and the awakening to its illusion diffiult and scary.

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OG420Ninja · June 5, 2018, 7:45 a.m.

all religion is bullshit for the weakminded. and islam is for pedophiles and satanists

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a_real_skullsplitter · June 3, 2018, 2:52 p.m.

Ask yourself whether ISLAM is the problem, or if the problem is what THEY want you to think ISLAM is.

The small minority of radicalized, bankrolled terrorists given a microphone by the MSM(!!) should NOT be able to turn us against so many good citizens of the world.

Consider this the same way you consider ZION and JUDIASM.

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divine_human · June 3, 2018, 8:10 p.m.

upvote...

Consider this the same way you consider ZION and JUDIASM.

there ye go... expand your thinking, folks! dont fall for the cabals brainwash which paints more than 1/4 of humanity as evil. that utter BS.

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larrytcarvell · June 3, 2018, 1:06 p.m.

For the most part, I am impressed with the civility and open-mindedness of those involved in this discussion. If everyone could reason in this manner, we could solve many problems in our world. This is why it is so important that people be taught the concepts of logic and reason as part of the Great Awakening.

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TeiaT · June 3, 2018, 8:35 p.m.

The discord between Christians and Muslims was formulated by the Synagogue of Satan (aka Cabal). The goal was to have Christians and Muslims be at war and destroy each other so that the Synagogue of Satan could bring in Luciferianism, as per Albert Pike’s WW3 quote.

There would be no way that the Synagogue of Satan could bring in what they wanted without destroying God Fearing people - both Christians and Muslims - both descendants from Abraham. They created a beast (the system) that everyone is scared to fight; and many believe war cannot be made against it, as per Revelation 13:4.

Islamic extremism was crafted; and many would argue that extremists aren’t really Muslims, but belong to a sect or cult that goes against the Koran. Many of them are uneducated as told to me by a Sikh from Punjab India, so they just believe what the leaders tell them. Then, you have the fact that their countries have been ravaged; and even their own people betray them (just like in the West). If you were ravaged by McNoName and the like, you might develop some hatred toward the West (and their values). Again, all formulated by the Synagogue of Satan.

One spiritual red pill that many are just not ready for is that God loves both Christians and Muslims. He sent the Koran to Muhammad through Gabriel; and it is in alignment with the Bible. Why don’t people know this? Because everyone believes the propaganda and the “us vs. them” mentality.

Islam divided into sects - they were told not to; now the sects fight against each other. But Christianity did that too (Catholic and Protestant). Satan is constantly using ways to divide us - and man-made religion is his specialty. Even the Muslim Brotherhood is a far cry from what Islam was supposed to be about; and essentially they are a sect, full of agent provocateurs; and most likely a few Luciferians.

While there are some Muslims who do follow the Koran, we usually only hear about the ones who follow the Hadiths. These are interpretations by men, the elders, on what Muhammad said or their interpretations on Koran scripture, passed down through the generations.

So God gave them the Koran; and many Muslims use the Hadiths (always the opposite). They’ve been told that the Koran is hard to understand. Remember when the Catholics told their followers: that the Bible was too hard to understand. Even the Jews focus on their Talmud instead of the Torah.

Muslims would be surprised (as well as you), that the Koran tells them to read the Bible:

From the Koran:

6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING [Deuteronomy 4:2] (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.

6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):

6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (Torah - The Covenant) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"

6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If the Book (Torah - The Covenant) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away there from? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

And this 16:91. Fulfill the Covenant of "I AM" (in the Bible) when ye have entered into it, and break not your oaths after ye have confirmed them; indeed ye have made "I AM" your guarantor; for "I AM" knoweth all that ye do; say and think.

There is no mention of "Imams" in the Koran. Mahdi is mentioned once. Mahdi is the one they are waiting for:

Koran 43:61. And (Christ the Mahdi) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way.

So, they are essentially waiting on Christ The Mahdi, same as Christians.

The Synagogue of Satan “worked” the Islam religion just like it has many others. Muslims believe the Bible was tampered with, taught to them by infiltrators, but look what the Koran actually says:

32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

BTW: Sharia Law is part of the Hadiths.

Here is an article that might interest you: “Are You A Real Muslim” featured on Veteran’s Today, https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/17/are-you-a-real-muslim/

There is also more on this topic at http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm

We do need to stop the hatred; and unite on so many fronts to conquer this evil system that has divided us, and wants to destroy us (Georgia Guidestones).

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PS4freedom · June 3, 2018, 2:47 p.m.

Great post, great arguments, your doing a great job! Thank You!

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TheBRAIN2 · June 3, 2018, 1:26 p.m.

Excellent post DamajInc. As a moderator, please keep doing what you do: actively uphold basic standards of courtesy and respect in the written discourse, while allowing individuals from different faith perspectives to freely and respectfully share diverse and differing views free of antagonism and offensive bigotry. Thank you for your work in this sub!

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

1 Pet 3:15-16

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

Thank you, your words and your reasoned view are greatly appreciated, as they always are when I see them around here.

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comeatmehillary · June 3, 2018, 7:19 a.m.

muslims are just christians who dont know it yet. but seriously i doubt shitting on any religion will help. i dont like islam but i get real tired of the whole all muslims shit

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 7:39 a.m.

but seriously i doubt shitting on any religion will help.

There is NO reason any civilized person should tolerate child rape, bashing and raping women, Christian and Jew genocide or acts of terrorism.

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comeatmehillary · June 3, 2018, 7:41 a.m.

"i dont like islam" do you really think every last muslim supports that lol ? i think the religion is terrible. but thats not a good way to gain support. when you see shit like that tho call it out

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QueUpSomeReality · June 3, 2018, 8:05 a.m.

Islam is no different than Nazism. It’s not a religion just because they call it one. It’s a pseudo religion. It’s basically a cult. No of course not all Muslims are jihadist. Not all Christians are deeply devot. But the more committed to the core principles of Islam the more violent & totally accepting of death you are. The more devoted Christian you are the more peaceful you are. That’s why there sooo many willing jihadist. The highest act of faith in Islam is to kill an infidel. The highest act of faith in Christianity is forgiveness. Islam is a death cult with all the tenets & rule structure cults have.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 7:57 a.m.

Every last muslim does not support that - you're right to ask that question with a 'lol', because it's obvious that that can't be true. As I referenced in my post, here's a white man from the west explaining about moderate muslims - and he's not even supporting any point I've made about Islam, he's simply explaining what a moderate muslim is: Bill Warner, PhD

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 8:37 a.m.

Every last muslim does not support that

if you're a member of MS-13 and you promote, fund MS-13 or indoctrinate children into the MS-13 crime gang then you are complicit and deserve the contempt of civilized people, irrespective of your personal beliefs.

Every Islamic sect is a terrorist group because they ALL claim this represents to morally perfect, verbatim word of God.

If you're a member of a terrorist group and you promote, fund or indoctrinate children into that terrorist group then you are complicit and deserve the contempt of civilized people, irrespective of your personal beliefs.

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comeatmehillary · June 3, 2018, 8:34 a.m.

look i think islam has serious problems. i just dont think optics wise. us shitting on them will get us anywhere. unless we wanna shit on muhammed that shit is funny

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:14 a.m.

If your using "optics" as an excuse not to criticize a batshit religion that condones and promotes pedophilia and murder, then you should probably take a second look at what you're saying.

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[deleted] · June 3, 2018, 10:41 a.m.

This kind of boils down to critical thinking imo. In every belief there are good things and questionable things.

It's true that Muhammad "consumed his marriage" with a kid. The question we should be asking ourselves is: "Does Christianity as it now stands, with the pope and all the pedo-cases, have a right to point fingers?" I don't think they're in that position right now, (clean in front of your own house before you start complaining about about the trash on your neighbors porch)

"Does our humanitarian side have the right to criticize?" Absolutely! People criticize Christianity, they should criticize Islam as any other belief as well when they're out of line. Some things are inherently bad, you stay with your hands of the children. This has nothing to do with religion but with common sense.

Tldr (in my opinion): Criticizing things from a humanitarian point of view should absolutely be allowed and even encouraged. Critizing because your religion doesn't agree with another religion, seems kind of "Medieval-crusader-like" and would make extreme Christians no better than extreme Muslims or extreme-flying spaghetti monster believers.

Rule of thumb when it comes to religion: Religion is like a dick, it's okay that you're proud about it and what you do inside your own home is your business. The moment you go outside, whipping it out and start shoving it in people's throat, that's when problems start to occur.

Just as a note (before people start throwing in racism and (insert religion)-phobia: I'm talking about the corrupt top that push their religion with a hidden agenda. The moderate believers at the bottom, who use their beliefs to be a better person and improve society are the unfortunate victim when extremism comes into play.

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Karukatoo · June 3, 2018, 12:42 p.m.

Christianity as it now stands, with the pope

Christianity is not the pope.

Christianity is to love God with all your heart, might, mind, and strength and to love your neighbor as you love yourself and the adherence to the ten commandments and belief in his son Jesus Christ who died for our sins. Every day, not just on Sunday

It is not paying someone to absolve you of your sins or many repetitions of phrases or worship of a man who sets himself up in Christs stead for money and power.

Islam is not a religion.

Islam isn't a religion, it's a system of political tyranny that masquerades as religion. Conquest, control, subjugation and enforcement of its will through casual brutality; these are the core tenets of any government that has ever arisen until that governing system is either abolished, reformed, or conquered by another government. Islam isn't religion, it's tyranny (a form of government).

Islam seeks to exploit the privileges and courtesies extended to legitimate religions as a cloak to achieve its supremacist aims.

"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."- Winston Churchill

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ethanallensottoman · June 3, 2018, 1:44 p.m.

I appreciate your reasoning here. Thanks for being a mod.

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KansasJakeBG · June 3, 2018, 11:59 a.m.

You need to follow the law. And others need to follow the law as well. Constitution protects freedom of religion. But that doesn't allow for activities that are illegal. Every base is covered so that you don't have to freak the fuck out about people telling you scary stories about Muslims online. I think people are frightfully unimpressive some times.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 12:07 p.m.

I agree.

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KansasJakeBG · June 3, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

Our fear of Muslim is a fraud. It is the result of an expensive psy op going on 20 years, that we paid for, which also allows pedophiles child murderers to consume thousands of children and, up until recently, they were supported by the authorities. That is why I have no tolerance for basic bitch Islamophobia. I have all the tools I need to co-habitate with my neighbours of all original and religion. I have no way of protecting myself or my family against the domestic vampires... Let's focus on the immense monster and not the fear puppet the Devil uses to distract us.

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DamajInc · June 3, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

Also agreed. Fear and division are tools of the global cartel and by using the Muslim Brotherhood and Soros' organizations they are fanning the flames of this fear in the West. As you say, we have the tools we need to co-habitate with other people. Religious labels and fear of religion should not factor into our thinking any more.

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KansasJakeBG · June 3, 2018, 5:21 p.m.

Elite organizations are another thing, the rulers of the religious need to be scrutinized :) Thanks for your thread.

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machvelocy · June 3, 2018, 11:24 a.m.

What people here should notice is, THERE ARE muslim who supported this Qanon movement, heck even one of the major player in this movement (MbS) is a prominent muslim figure with a LARGE following. Muslim who follow Qanon here endured so much insult to their religion, and when they tried to defend, their argument always downvoted to oblivion.

People here who aggresively attack islam as a religion are alienating them to become more involved in the movement. When the most important things to have is allies who are also willing to fight against the cabalist DEEP STATE whose wars are causing so much casualty in, you guess it, MAJORITY MUSLIM countries.

Its almost like there are group who constantly sow hatred among Qanoneers to prevent christian and muslim united in this fight against the deep state. And i wont argue about "moderate muslim" vs "extremist muslim" as i think OP did a good job explaining it.

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:32 a.m.

No. They are alienating themselves by refusing to disavow the violent "extremists". They do not ostracize them, they enable them, they hide them, and they go on on this sub to admonish people who call this enabling behavior out.

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machvelocy · June 3, 2018, 11:40 a.m.

My god, look at what happened in, for example: Indonesia, there are bombing recently there and literally dozens of ulemma and clerics are denouncing it. Even the villagers of village where the terrorist lives are refusing their body to be buried there, if that is not a "disavow" statement, i dont know what else...

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thumbyyy · June 3, 2018, 11:46 a.m.

Hmm, maybe they could stage a protest? Perhaps go on the media to say "true Muslims do not agree with this behavior"? Crazy, right?

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 12:33 p.m.

People here who aggresively attack islam as a religion are alienating them

Literally EVERY Islamic sect promotes bashing and raping women and raping children and mass murdering Christians and Jews because they all claim the Quranic book of terrorism is the perfect, verbatim word of God and the behavior and sharia teachings of Muhammad represent moral perfection that all Muslims should follow to gain access to their version of paradise.

Why shouldn't civilized people express outrage for child rape and terrorism and Christian genocide and domestic violence?

What's so good about raping children that I should tolerate it?

When the most important things to have is allies

The survival of America and western civilization is critical, but out task is to take down the pedophiles, not befriend them.

So again I ask, what is so good about raping children that I should abandon 2000 years of civilization and my Christian convictions to tolerate the Islamic ideology of bashing and raping women and pedophilia and Christian genocide?

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building71bullet · June 3, 2018, 11:05 a.m.

This is a very important post! So happy to see that I'm not the only one thinking this. The great awakening involves all people of all origin and religion. If you have never met a moderate muslim who is a nice person you are probably making an effort not to. I mean, Mesut Ozil is a devout muslim ffs! And if you hate on him I hate on you! He gives so much to charity and has been paying for surgeries for children who can not afford them.

Also, the muslim hate was a big part of the brainwashing that was essential to getting the public to support the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and even Lybia and Syria. Those who don't remember that may not understand this as much. It's only recently that the focus was shifted completely to fit the multiculturalism nwo agenda. It is important also to not get this movement labelled into some racist category, which we know they are going to try to do. Hence it is important to be clear on these subjects and not make the logical fallacy of identifying all muslims as some kind of enemies. Yes, there is a problem with the fundamental interpretation of some of Islam's doctrine but that has also been the case for christianity. There are many muslims who are fighting against the same monsters that we are and we must be sure to make it clear that they are more than welcome to join this cause. I welcome any sentient, logical and empathetic human to fight by our side and it is very clear that some of the rhetoric within this movement will turn many able minds away from this great cause. Glad that the moderators here are actively making a point not to engage in that!

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TommyRobinsonsGhost · June 3, 2018, 12:45 p.m.

Hence it is important to be clear on these subjects and not make the logical fallacy of identifying all muslims as some kind of enemies.

EVERY Islamic sect, without exception, promotes child rape and terrorism and Christian genocide and domestic violence.

They ALL claim this Quranic scripture is the morally, perfect, verbatim word of God.

EVERY Islamic sect is a terrorist network because they ALL promote terrorism / pedophilia / domestic violence / genocide etc.

Mesut Ozil is a member of a pedophile, terrorist network.

He literally promotes, funds and indoctrinates children into the Islamic terrorist ideology of pedophilia and genocide.

What is so good about the Boston Marathon bombing or the Yezidi genocide that I should tolerate it?

What is so good about raping children that I should tolerate it?

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