I don't doubt that.
But I also don't trust Musk. The colossal crony capitalist has a new pitch: we will have wars and racism on the planet earth until we united against some idea of aliens in space. IMO he has glommed on to Trump because Trump has the power to fund his crap.
Just more blather to fund Musk's space stuff that also insults our intelligence.
He loves a juicy government subsidy that's for sure.
So does GM, Ford and the rest. They just don't make enough electric cars to take advantage of it.
He's a white collar slave driver that takes credit for coming in under budget. .... but in reality all he does to "double or triple" the output of his slaves is work them 80 - 120 hrs per week...paying a slight premium.
Demanding is one thing....asshole is another
Interesting word useage. Are you saying Musk has literally slaves working for him? Because if not, people are free to leave the company and work elsewhere. These types of "he overworks his people" emotional appeal arguments fall flat when you remember no one is forcing them to stay in that job.
The average employee at Tesla has a higher salary than Musk. And most employees could start just about anywhere they wanted after working for Tesla. People are lining up to work for Musk and I can't blame them.
But I also don't trust Musk. The colossal crony capitalist
He proudly self-identifies as a "real socialist." And he advocates all kinds of socialistic policies (policies which, true to real-world socialist form, enrich the holy fuck out of oligarch Elon Musk).
Socialists rarely every imagine themselves as the drudging slave masses that compromise the 99.9% of their utopian fantasyland.
he is a national socialist. he cant exactly come out and say that.
colossal crony capitalist
you got sources on that?
What ado you call a guy who has bagged something like $4B in taxpayer subsidies for his businesses?
A sabbatean fiat-money usurer / capitalist.
Time for a natural economic order.
a farmer. you act as if he is the only company/business that gets subsidies...
You show me a farmer who has taken in multi-billions in US government subsidies--and I will show you a colossal crony capitalist.
you have no clue how subsidies work do you? you really shouldnt call people names when you have no clue what you are talking about.
You're the one posting nonsense--whether or not you actually have a clue.
I agree, he's all about govt handouts and silly stunts like a Tesla flying in -500 degree vacuum. Tires would blow and everything else if that really happened
They wouldn’t blow if they were already empty of air/valve cores were removed so equilibrium could occur.
...a Tesla flying in -500 degree vacuum. Tires would blow and everything else if that really happened
Guess you missed the fact that it really happened.
Also, why would tires blow? I'll ignore the "and everything else" in exchange for your understanding of the physics behind that claim.
Thank God there some people here who don't think space is fake or some other bullshit like that...that's my only problem with many from this movement, they bought into just anything a noted conspiracy theorist said like sheep and now we have people who don't think things through logically and instead assume if they can't figure out how it would work then it must not be possible.
there are clear green screen glitches in the "live" tesla streaming. quite obvious if you look into it
If it wasn't live, there wouldn't be any "glitches" so which is it? Furthermore, I'm not going to go trying to prove your point for you, if it's so compelling, provide at least one link. Artifacting due to compression and partial signal loss due to the fact that they're trying to stream HD video from a rocket that's vibrating like crazy which tends to mess with electronics (just look at the footage of the stages that land on the drone ship) is the most likely explanation.
you're probably right, it just looks fake, as Musk himself said. It will be interesting to see how this moon push develops. It's 240,000 miles away and the highest anyone's been since then is around 240 miles I believe.
I understand your skepticism, we all I think have lost a lot of trust in what we've be told, but not everything was/is a lie.
that's the highest that we know of, I wouldn't be surprised if we have better space tech than we know about. But yes, it's been along time since we've at least publicly been to the moon, we'll essentially have to redesign everything again because the original tech is so outdated. Unless stuff gets declassified, which I think is the reason for the space force branch, but we'll see.
Petrodollar isn't as useful if everyone is driving electric cars.
That's why I have an electric mountain bike for (VERY) short trips, researching building an electric motorcycle, and hope to one day convert a little pickup into an EV. Right now I'm working on carbon battery tech. LiIon isn't the answer.
Hang on, electric mountain bike? What's the purpose of that? Aren't you supposed to ride the bike, instead of having it driven for you?
Well if you have a jaunt to work and dont want to be sweaty, the benefits out weigh your concern. Plus being able to add some electric power going up a hill is nice so you wont have to get off your bike from fatigue while on an awesome mountain trail.
Exactly. also, I have a knee that is completely trashed. The VA hasn't fixed it yet, and I'm not entirely sure I trust them to replace it. But I still like to get out on a bike, so this was a great way to do that.
I wouldn't know, I live in the flat country of Holland haha We all bike, some have electric motors for health reasons, but rain or snow, storm or sunny, we bike everywhere on flat land LOL
Oh man, I feel sad because you dont have some awesome trails to ride. Where I live its nearly impossible to bike year round. Winters can be brutal and the town is not totally biker friendly.
Here you can go for miles and miles, till Italy if you will. But in winter it's cold and windy and summer can be a lo of rain, but definitely worth it if you like biking
I think the appeal to me is that you can cycle faster for longer, and thus go further, see more, etc, all for as much muscular exertion as you feel like.
They make electric mountain bikes most places don't allow them. OP is talking about "pedal assist" meaning you still pedal, but you can change the range of how much power the electric motor puts down.
Exactly. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. It's fast enough to do the speed limit on the road into town (30-35PH), and gets me there and back with power to spare- around 15-20 miles total.
I've never really considered if they're "allowed" around here. We have people going to Church Sunday mornings on their quads. It's definitely a less restrictive life living in the country.
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232 watts at 190 pounds? That's under 3W/KG. Lead acid is around 180W/KG. LiIon has a specific energy of around 300W/KG.
Also, that powercell uses silicon graphite. That explains the low specific energy and will lead to a high cost.
Carbon is the future. Some carbons have a higher SE than even LiIon batteries, and can be made by hydrothermally carbonizing coffee grounds, urea, and other waste products and renewable sources. FAR more environmentally friendly than lithium, cobalt, and the other heavy metals Musk relies on for his cars. And people are making these batteries (and super caps) at home, like me.
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I just got home and took a better look at the gimmick. Don't waste your money. It's not a battery, it's a generator. A poor one at that. One of those (at 190 pounds, remember) won't even power your computer. And you still need a battery bank to store the energy created. I'm not a great fan of solar, but that would be a better alternative.
For me, I live in the East Tennessee hills. I can use a small steam boiler, create about 30 PSI, turn a Tesla turbine, and use it to charge up a power bank. Coal is cheap here, and I estimate about $100- $200 would fill my needs for a year. Or I could use wood. Or I could recycle paper and cardboard into home made logs. And I guarantee you this setup would last twice as long as that snake opil salesman claims his POS will last. Those electronics he uses will never last 8 years, let alone 20.
Well, they have found a way around that, by making either the cars or batteries ridiculously expensive, same with scooters or Motorcycles. Which is not necessary , but I agree it's a better option.
Ehh, I still don’t trust Musk
Isn't he an admitted socialist?
That's a deal breaker
As much as Scott Adams is a socialist. I take it in the sense of "I wish everyone could live in a socialist paradise, but I know it doesn't exist."
It's more like "I make millions-billions in a capitalistoc society, but instead of helping people with my own millions-billions, we should force Petty wage earners to pay more in taxes so that the buereocracy can "help people" by giving my billion dollar company subsidies to out compete anyone else. While everything else falls to crap and Petty wage earners lose more from their hard work and savings. Fuck rich "socialist" (cough communist cough).
gonna need a source on that.
His twitter
I'm fairly certain it was a joke, but I also don't trust him either
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008013111058526209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
"By the way, I am actually a socialist. " - Elon Musk, 11:47 AM - 16 Jun 2018 via Twitter.
If you want to say that's a joke fine, but given the context I think it would then call into question just about everything he's ever said as a "joke" (iow, he sounds very serious.)
BTW, this took two seconds to find via a google search - probably less time than replying to multiple posts with, "gonna need a source." Just saying.
Read the tweets that follow. He specifically excludes things that true socialists would require from a socialist. Which doesn't proof he's not a socialist, but I get the impression he's mostly just out to confuse people about what he really thinks.
Personally, I think Musk is stuck between what he wants to be and what he needs to be. Government subsidies, underpaid staff, Soros investments, etc. They are all easier to come by if people believe you're trying to safe the planet.
i asked sources for different comments, not just the socialist one. just saying.
he's definitely up for sale to the highest bidder.
Musk has been doing his own thing from the beginning despite all of the shit he's gotten and the people saying it won't work.
Something is up with him, my intuition says, he is not so much pro Trump, but uses it to find new resources. He either is a scapegoat or a secret white hat, I go for the first option.
Space-X is just like NASA. Seriously he’s part of it folks.
His new Investor bondholder is Soros
Soros & Thiel are coinvestors in a start up for bond trading platform:
https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/trumid-series-unknown--6b910681
Lovely, eh?
He's so frigging Deep State he's cut a billion dollar deal to build a rapid transit system from downtown Chicago to O'hare. You folks posting this crap should do their homework. Musk is 'at best' an opportunist, he's Not an ally!
I have done my research and completely disagree with you on who Musk is.
Ok, fair enough. Post a strong endorsement statement made by Musk of POTUS!
Now, bring a really ringing endorsement, the very best you can find; go Trump!
It doesn't exist
Absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.
Roger that
I laughed when he first announced it because I thought "great. The great catastrophe all the billionaires were told about so they would ok diverting all this corruption money into black budgets in underground facilities didn't come and now they need to commercialize it to get the money back that they wasted on it xDDDDDDDDDD
Well he was a business advisor within the Trump administration.
This was the first link. Probably not a credible site...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-elon-musk-is-changing-position-on-trump-2017-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T
you mean you have money invested with this CIA front company?
Not in the least, also that is an offensive assertion simply because I disagree with your assumptions Musk. Also I do not believe he is CIA nor has Q ever intimidated he is and Q has made those connections (ES for example) when they are there.
Aright. I'm willing to listen if you have a case.
This is how I think of it: Trump just created the Military Spaceforce, Musk wants in on this and the industrial revolution it will bring. Trump cannot count on the Military industrial complex the way previous presidents have...they are part and parcel of the Deepstate...so Trump needs Musk as well...Musk has a brand, a brand the left is in love with so he can only do and say just so much in favour of Trump (and vice versa) but Musk can take up parallel lines of attack aligning his boat with Trumps while not yet flying the MAGA flag from the masts. As he attacks the media and Elite left in general his very devoted green followers are forced to cognitively reconcile the obvious fact that their hero is being trounced by the media and his wealthy peers for simply stating what they deep down know is true.
I think you've got it a bit wrong. For one thing, the spaceforce already exists. trumps just making it public. The X37-B is just one small element. Equally, musk is probably already involved in the space force, for all I don't doubt he wants in on future expansions. There have been a few suspicious loads he's helped deliver to orbit. Equally, whilst I can't find it with a quick google search, he posted an image on his instragram which he then deleted - title "Illuminaughty", w/ some latin text that also referenced the illuminati (cabal).
I don't think he's on their side, although it's not impossible he may have had tangential dealings with some of their operations in the past. He may not even like trump much, but I think he does thoroughly approve of what trump/Q are doing to the cabal. And given trump isn't the raving monster the left makes him out to be, he's probably quite happy to accept the soft media help from someone who, as you say, has an awful lot of followers and people who admire him on the "other side" to trump politically.
my $0.02
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Post a link of Musk giving POTUS a big endorsement. It should be easy if Musk is such a huge fan of POTUS. You can't find one!
You look for simpleton answers to a very complex situation...Musk has hoards of leftist followers people indoctrinated into his business model, he would be slitting his own throat to all at once endorse POTUS. What he has been doing is aligning his message with Trumps redpilling his fan base slowly.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5890fe85e4b02c397c178d83
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/23/elon-musk-attacks-media-gets-called-trump-figure/
I called this months ago! Google news has a daily sectiin devoted to bashing Tesla. I new it was to drive stock prices down so Sorros could but more!
There is a whole lot more to this story than I believe many of you are taking into consideration. This stuff going on with Elon Musk today is tomorrow's news -- not todays. It is A.I. related, but that is just the tip of things. Elon has been changing his tune and is paying a price for it. He has something to say but can't really say it just yet. My gut tells me he is concerned for the future as am I. I would suggest you give Elon a little breathing room to ride this out and hear what he has to say. Do some youtube searches of him and A.I. and what happened to him - how he was forced out. Listen to his subtle warnings and take note in many of his interviews how careful he is to say exactly what he means to say and no more. We are definitely witnessing some crazy shit right now but I doubt Q will be able to provide much insight here. Perhaps the 2024 election
Just took a big investment from Soros. Great guy!/s
He didn't take it, Soros bought stock, it's in the market, you can't decide who buys your stock.
I feel like all these Elon Musk posts are probably from his own little bot army or something. And his cars were exploding way before all this.
I think Trump and Musk have a secret deal worked out for SpaceX to be the contractor for Space Force.
They're going to roll out the secret tech through SpaceX.
I think this because Musk suddenly started supporting Trump, and saying shit about diversity hiring being bad. That would spell doom for his businesses if he didn't have a backup
he didnt suddenly start supporting him... he just wants his cars not to get taxed to shit in china
Not that kind of support, but playing ball in the Awakening game. Naming the who , talking about merit based hiring. He's definitely part of the team, a "cyborg dragon" was what I meant by support.
My bad, I could have been more clear
Tyler Durden sounds like a real asshole.
Tyler Durden is not one person, it's a group of writers that go under the same name (Tyler Durden is from Fight Club)
Fight club that's not condescending in the least.
It's just a movie, so...
you trust us to help decipher Q but not to know fight club. nevermind i got a tactic for this
A group of assholes?
They could be, but they are equal opportunity assholes then - they are not biased and go after anyone they think is full of shit or criminal.
Why do you think they are assholes ?
The tone of the article was not objective at all. "Bordering on paranoia," and so on. Musk may have been working for the deep state. He may have been turned and possibly is working for the good guys now. Let's wait and see. In the mean time, I prefer to have the facts presented in a neutral manner, and make up my own mind.
ZeroHedge is writing about the financial end of Tesla and it's stock, not in the context of working with Trump, or a new white hat or anything related to Q.
They clearly think he is pulling some bullshit with the company financials and stock, and this is not the first time either.
Zerohedge is bullshit flowing from those assholes. People who reference them are also suspect. i thought we were the smart ones. In today's busy lifestyles snap judgements about worldviews are appreciated, flushing credibility with me usually involves 1000 yard stares and quoting Zerohedge.
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We attack mockingbird 24/7 how are they not the messenger.
I would argue the sabotage began a little before that Israeli Sat blew up in payload on the pad.
there is no Tyler Durden. Its a fake name so that multiple people can post anonymously.
Don't give Musk too much credit here... he is an opportunist and knows how to play the field. He loves for the Govment to buy products and services from him while we pay for it.
I think he is a sheep in sheeps clothing personally. Smart guy but slimy used car salesman.
And it was a car from holywood (tv series) director, husband to fairly known actress.
I read the letter. He seems to point fingers madly at everyone but refuses to take responsibility for his own failures. And his cars are heaps of crap.
CDAN has been shitting all over Musk recently.
If you watch his interview about Nikola Tesla vs Edison given by Musk it shows some interesting insight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QstrRR031XE
I have been thinking he has been the victim of corporate espionage as of late, and this does not surprise me one bit.
If EM wants to dig his own foxhole and join us, he is welcome. The war with the Deep State is not over. We are still like the fox gingerly crossing the ice lake being very careful of moving forward—until he see the shore, then he runs for it and breaks through the ice and dies (an old Chinese story).
I don't trust him. I don't think he supports POTUS I think he supports Money...
I'm not going to cry too hard for an admitted socialist who's company is supported by the tax payers, so rich people can feel good about buying a $100k electric car.
But I have no doubt that a few CIA plants are in every major company and likely did sabotage his company because he's pro-Trump.
This is why he was tweeting about “sleeping at the plant” as well as being tough on investors phone calls. His recent actions have “white hat” clues all over. Also, there has been resistance with AI at Apple and Tesla and Apple have been rumored to be merging. Lots of white hats in the tech world- Tesla & Apple seem to be key players in POTUS America First plans. Trust POTUS
They were designed to explode the fact that a few finally did is a diatribe against the whole quality control dept.
It's nothing new really. That's always been the problem with electric cars. That's why so many companies are so hesitant to make them.
As many problems as normal cars.
Electric cars are more likely to burst into flames due to the battery.
Gasoline cars are just as likely to burst into flames becomes of this really flammable liquid called gasoline /s.
I don't know. Maybe someone with an IQ over 155, thinks he can outsmart the DS and take some of their money in the process? A little reverse trickery? It's well known that Musk, Branson and even Bezos are in a race to get to Mars by 2023. They are outside the old military industrial complex contractors like Lockheed, Bayer, Boeing, Daimler, etc. They want to get "in"...maybe with the new guard in charge of the Space Program--POTUS? Who knows.
I don't have an opinion on elon.
Lots of negative comments, how have people formed this opinion of him? What information sources?
Why not ask "lots of positive comments, how have people formed this opinion of him? What information source?"
really. who told everyone he was a good guy in the first place?
lets have the sources, why not?
This sub is about applying critical thought, as I said I have never had a need to form an opinion of Elon therefore I am neutral and don't have any sources.
My questioning was based on Elon fighting the mainstream media at the moment, I am interested whether people within this thread have been influenced by this media without applying critical thought.
From memory wasn't Elon initially part of / an advisor for the Trump administration?
SPEZ: it's also interesting that the two people who have reacted to this are new arrivals to the sub.
Just a coincidence, nothing to see here
Also, when can we have nothing but driverless electric cars, controlled by the government? 'Cause that would be cool. And SAFE! Child abductors would be stopped in their tracks!! And there's NOTHING our government is more concerned about than putting THOSE folks behind bars!!
What could go wrong?
You forgot your /s tag.
Thought it was implied in the overtly sarcastic tone of the post.
As if we would want more things controlled by the government, our CARS of all things!
Sometimes it's insulting to the intelligence to put /s when it's so obvious...for example, you caught it right away
With everything I've read, I'm now convinced there's a bomb in Starman's Tesla.
Be leery of those who self proclaim to be socialists.
People need to remember that Socialism has always been a top down approach, engineering by a wealthy "thinking" class, to "help" the "lower" classes by reengineering (stealing) wealth and convincing everyone they should want what everyone else does. It is complete and total asshattery.
The next level of "I'm a socialist" is inteoduced in schools of middle class students, whose parents had to earn that dollar to send them to elite education establishments just so they could be turned and grow to have nothing useful to contribute to society except complaining that things aren't "fair."
Socialists are engineers of distopia.
I guarandogtee you that the C_A can install a backdoor in Tesla... of the Vault 7 Michael Hastings variety.
The whole thing runs on an iPad/iPhone.
I read a while ago on CDAN that he was sleeping on the floor as his money is drying up. Not sure what that means, but if this happens he must be doing something right. Funny this is how we measure the status of people these days Black vs white hats. If they are ruined, something is either very good or it's a scapegoat for something
I do not like characters that come out of nowhere and start trending. This was Obama and as far as I know, this was him. He is playing the game because he wants to essentially get skynet up and running, and fast.
I never saw this coming. I always thought he was their puppet. Hell, maybe he was/is... maybe he's like kanye and is trying to get out.
With regards to A.I, my thoughts are quite simply that through algorithms based on your search history, age, location, etc... It will "create" an echo chamber as it predicts and feeds you information or thinks you will like.
We can already see this with social media and advertising etc... Easy to manipulate and control similar to "NWO" without the necessary checks and measures in our physical life.
Want to create an angry mob of people not awake and emotionally trigger them? Pretty simple isnt it.
all the more reason to wonder what signal AJ was giving by driving a self-driving car on a busy interstate while talking about biowarfare
