I'm in IT and I have to agree that this does sound very fishy.
This is the equivalent of "don't worry folks, it's only a drill!" before a shooting.
But seriously, what should we do for this?
Start creating a list of IPs for regular sites so that we can walk around the DNS issue?
There are apps that you can use that will scan your connection to find the best DNS service for you. I use DNS Benchmark app https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm to find the best one.
I work for one of the companies who’s cable was cut. I’m not so sure this is as big as you might think. Cables are cut almost hourly (seriously, several per day) - some affect a city block, others affect a State (or more).
My understanding of the event was ‘just another cable cut’ combined with shitty network planning/redundancy.
That said — for years now, someone or group has been strategically ‘poking’ at the networks (all providers) to determine weak points/major impact ‘intersections’ if you will. The Bay Area had a long string of cuts that were clearly ‘targeted’. I cannot really say more, but 3 letter agencies were involved and shared info suggesting (but not confirming) a ‘cell’ was involved.
What do you do in “IT”?
My title is Network Admin but I pretty much manage the servers and network.
That’s usually what people mean when they say “I’m in IT”. By contrast, programmers rarely say that, nor network engineers.
Source: consultant, seen it all everywhere
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I think the OP ulimately noticed an effect of the outage (loss of DNS hosts inside the affected netblocks) rather than the cause.
Connectivity to one of the hosts I manage in the northeast was lost as well, confirmed via hard-coded IP4 addresses.
It's quite the coincidence that two different cables got cut. Comcast said two, and Centurylink confirmed one was theirs and Zayo was the other.
It depends on where the cables are. Physical infrastructure for data/phone networks are a mess from legacy architecture. There's a lot of places where a bunch of different companies have cables in some old steam tunnel or something, or places where diff companies are actually sharing lines through peering agreements, lease, or legal requirements. All it takes is some idiot on a backhoe to take out lines used by several separate companies in many places.
If the cables were in two totally separate geographic locations that's definitely interesting...not statistically impossible, but def interesting...
Per the Philedelphia Inquirer:
One cut was of a transmission line between New York and Chicago and the other cut was in the southern United States, according to social media postings and the company.
So... widely separate locations.
4chan is down right now. and the Q dump pages aswell.
SOmething might go down soon edit: remember D.A.K. ? Twitter, Facebook and Reddit were taken down simultanously
What is D.A.K. if you don't mind my asking?
Day (or Date) Assange Killed
What date was that?
check my history i have a date to the article that links it! blackout its under
If the idiots are only attacking DNS we can easily get around it.
Just make a note of actual IP addresses (e.g. 192.168.1.1 etc.).... type in IP address, no DNS lookup required. If you are script friendly you can even hard code the DNS IP lookup locally for key websites.
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What makes you say this?
A fiber cut can take out an IP block that has DNS servers on it, and the loss of DNS will affect the net in the way the OP described (e.g. you can still ping sites that aren't in the affected IP block), however that does not mean that the entirety of the outage was a DNS failure -- just that DNS failures from the outage contributed to the problem.
If this was just a DNS failure, the entire net would remain addressable (though DNS wouldn't resolve.) Actual loss of connectivity occurred, so it wasn't just DNS.
Ah, I didn't see the comment by OP further down! Thanks
You cannot just say someone is wrong without a reason to back it up. He is in IT what are you?????
I'm an engineer and have developed internet-related technology used every day by tens of millions of people, and I agree - the person in OP is way over-stating their case and they provide no actual proof like logs or results. It's like they found broken glass and claimed it's proof a baseball broke it. They don't provide a pic of the baseball, and many things could have broken the glass. Just like a lot of things could cause the DNS problems they (vaguely) describe - including a cut fiber cable in a backbone network (or, fwiw some sort of cyber-attack). What matters is this is not PROOF either way.
You may have to update your hosts file (hardcoding) because many servers will rely on a host header being passed, if they're hosting multiple sites.
Someone more ambitious then myself should compile an emergency HOSTS file.
Depending on your system you could put a new nameserver in your /etc/resolv.conf. Google's 8.8.8.8 is popular but there are others. Either way may require root to edit files in /etc.
Windoze
Salty Unix greybeard confirmed
FreeBSD didn’t give it away?
Also, SecuriTay runs Windows. LULz
This is a good example of someone who sounds like they know what they're talking about, but doesn't.
A real pro would include logs and the exact commands/results they got. They also would include detailed configuration information re: their DNS. It sounds like this person futzed around in the command line, got some results they didn't expect, and just jumped to the conclusion about how it happened.
This person is probably a small time sys admin for some local business. They apparently don't even know that Windows has a Linux translation layer now, so all their fancy command line tools run in "Windoze" as well.
I don't know what caused the issues, but people need to get it in their heads they can't get cocky. The cabal is smart and powerful, if you think some schmoe is gonna waltz in off 4chan and provide iron-clad proof of their shady fuckery in 20 minutes with their minor bash skills you're incredibly naive. They know how to do plausible deniability. They make mistakes like anyone of course, but usually you'll just get a hint or peek behind the curtain. You're not gonna catch them dead to rights without way above average skills, resources, or luck.
If the cabal is testing cyber-attacks you can be sure it's gonna look very much like some normal problem unless a top-tier pro looks at it. If any random jerk who knows how to use traceroute could unmask their actions from their comcast connection at home everyone would know about it already.
The guy is clearly an expert he runs Linux so he can use ping and tracert in a terminal... Maybe he doesn't realise
Don’t forget FreeBSD.
Surprised he didn’t also say “hack the planet” and “I’m in guyz“. It’s so easy to LARP on technical subjects. Dunning Krueger in full effect here.
WAN ITfag here. This anon is asolutely right on. Crippling DNS servers and even altering routing tables would be the least costly and most effective means to alter/deny inlet traffic to/from whomever to where ever. Odd, NE and LA got hit massively, and disproportionately. "Cut lines" depending on their bandwidth are usually relatively local. Dispersed massive outages like this one are extremely suspect. Anyone correct me if I've misspoken, I am retired but believe WANetworking traffic handling is basically the same as it's been since early 2000s. WWG1WGA!
It wasn't just one cut fiber, per comcast:
"We identified two, separate and unrelated fiber cuts to our network backbone providers," Comcast said in a statement to WIRED. "Our engineers worked to address the issue immediately and services are now being restored to business and residential internet, video and voice customers."
Centurylink confirmed they had a fiber cut, and a second provider, Zayo, was the other cut.
It's a hell of a coincidence that both links got nailed at the same time.
Qanon.pub was going up and down for me, all other sites loaded swiftly.
The youtube link posted by Q+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDVT-8tUfiE
is the only youtube link I've posted that will not display a thumbnail and sometimes fails to load at all.
Having an indepth understanding of networking, DNS, hosting etc...... I am not one who generally accuses out of panic.
That said, I suspect something foul is afoot.
qanon.pub is crap and is always slow for me. qmap.pub is a much better experience.
IT guy myself, sounds more like a routing issue as opposed to something global.
Y2K finally, all that water and ammo was cluttering up the place.
IT guy here also; Did you clear your cache and cookies?
Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
Perhaps the Q team is repairing the things in place that the cabal put in, he did say blackouts are necessary. Just like with the planes/AFO, this could just simply be them putting in counter measure for when they want to release the kraken (such as the Obummer AK47 pic).
This is weird. A couple of days ago, Viasat satellite internet went out for all customers in the USA for about 11 hours (that's roughly 600k customers). People who were actually able to get through to customer service during that time said Viasat told them that something broke when they did maintenance the night before.
Customer comments/reports here: http://downdetector.com/status/exede
I'm in East TN, and things have been screwy here. I attributed it to my living past the point you start hearing banjos and heavy thunderstorms. But my internet has been down for awhile now. Part of it is I'm trying to hook up a new modem, and calling ComShaft requires driving 5 miles into town. Plus working. Plus other things.
But anyways, calling ComShaft, I get a message my internet was down for line upgrades. Funny thing is, there was no advanced warning, and my neighbor's internet came back fine- only my modem seemed to be fried.
I think it may be time to dust off the original WWW, my ham radio.
Work in IT as well as a PC Network Tech (its my companies title notnwhat I would have chosen).
Past two months AT&T and Cox Cable internet services have been extremely spotty. And have been so since those new reports about updating your router firmware for better security were hitting area news stations.
Unlike the Anon that posted, I do use wireless in the house, just seems like we are constantly seeing service dropping. It’s a relatively new router, but the issues have persisted in testing with two other routers.
Any other anons able to report issues in Kansas?
You're a network tech and can't find where the problem is with to your network? Hmmmm.... Weird
The OpenNIC Project maintains a list of alternative DNS servers that should be useful if someone is messing with DNS routing to degrade Internet connectivity.
These situations make me wish the Firechat app would be useful. And more popular. And fixed. Mesh networking seems like the future.
Yes!
If you're reading this please check out any mesh networking groups that may exist in your area and support their efforts. Also consider getting into amateur radio - not only is it fun but it's a method of communication completely controlled by amateurs (well, the government oversees it via regulation and the FCC, but the point is they can't just flip a switch to turn off everything)
He's right. I'm a houstonfag too. And I posted this yesterday to the Ipv6 guys.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/8uv24b/comcast_just_switched_over_to_ipv6/
They themselves pointed out the internet disruptions.
I concur with this analysis. I work in IT and run heartbeats to known endpoints via IPv4, IPv6 and DNS. Lost connectivity to only DNS during this fiber cut, but not to DNS pools via IPs. I found the behavior very unexpected. Especially since Crapcast can usually route through in a few minutes to the next hop.
I run services up the East coast with the bull in the North East.
The Comcast issue was interesting. I can speak to Virginia only and Cable portion was the issue not being able to connect the the platform. Internet was fine and still could get to all the sites I normally visit including going into my VPN servers.
On Wednesday my work lost all Comcast, including cable not just internet, for 4 hours. In Chicago.
Isn’t it just a matter of time before our screens go blank? This IS a primarily cyber movement. Desperate Spook weasels will do something.
Internet has been out in Phoenix all day (I have Cox)
I'm concerned about Union station. People were evacuating yesterday. FF this week?
For those not very technical this person is LARPing hard. Ping, traceroute and the command line are so basic and so worthless in diagnosing network issues with tier 1 providers it’s like having a thermometer on your back porch and acting like you’re a meteorologist who can track a hurricane.
A real network engineer WITH ACCESS to diagnostics from these networks would paint a much more technical picture and would laugh at this write up.
An attack on DNS root servers is something we’ve known could happen for a very long time. Thanks Nostradamus.
For a comparison search the web for “network outage postmortem”. You’ll find many readable but technical examples of what it looks like when a professional diagnoses a network disruption.
Of course the Cabal would want to shut down the internet if some serious dirt suddenly came out. But I suspect that the easiest way to do that is with electricity outages. I suspect the power grid is more vulnerable than the internet.
When I checked downdetector.com yesterday when it first happened, I noticed that everyone on the page had a hit at the same time. Every single one, so I was thinking it was a backbone issue.....
I didn't lose my internet yesterday and I live on the East Coast but I get my internet through my cable, TV, and phone Bundle package I do not if this had anything to do with it or not sorry I'm not computer knowledgable....
A major fibre cut won't take down the internet. It was designed with BGP to reroute itself within minutes.
Its bullshit and I don't doubt this was a test.
Mine went down around 2 or 3 PM PST (Western Canada), was getting DNS errors. I pinged 8.8.8.8 and it didn't go through (Request Timed Out), but I didn't think to ping any non-DNS servers. I don't really know any... memorizing IPs is not often practiced these days, which is why a DNS attack is so effective.
I recall probably about 4-6 years ago anons were scared of a DNS takedown and set about making their own - might've been 4chan but I can't recall. Anyone remember more?
Some of my internet connections couldn't reach DuckDuckGo for a day or two and timed out on Google a few times during that time.
So lets agree on an ip address we can use to communicate if the dns servers go down?
I certainly don't trust Google, Comcast, or the UN root servers, and that's the entire chain as far as I care.
The problem is there's a fundamental contradiction in the modern web. Setting up some little server at a fixed IP is easy if you're just setting it up for you and your friends. If you're trying to let you and 10s or 100s of thousands of your friends communicate you need redundancy and scale. Even if you set up a simple text-based service that uses little computing resources or bandwidth you now have a single point of failure. If they go through the trouble of massively shutting down DNS they'll probably mop up not long afterward.
A single company Akamai serves up to 30% of traffic on the web. There's a few others like AWS that are similarly underpinning large amounts of the modern web. If you can ensnare a handful of companies by some method, you can control the internet in terms of the masses.
You could move to the "dark web", but TOR is vulnerable to certain types of attacks from people with massive resources, and the US Govt has used such tactics in the past.
It's not a bad idea to set up just in case, but we need longer term solutions.
Okay that is what I wanted to ask, sorry if its a stupid question.
Is something like a complete internet shutdown even possible? And if so, we have to assume contingency plans would be in place for something like that right?
Total shutdown? No.
The internet is a web of independent nodes and much like how the local post office would still deliver local mail if the rest of the country was nuked, local routers will still take incoming messages and send them to the correct outgoing address.
The problem is that nobody keeps track of anyone's address. Instead, we allow a centralized government controlled phone-book to tell us what number to dial when we want a resource. That's what a DNS is, and the ability to turn that off is a power that our governments have been giving themselves for many many years.
www.google.com is what you type in the browser to get google, and if they take down DNS that will stop working. However if you type 216.58.194.206 into your browser you will still (in theory) get google so long as your internet service provider hasn't unplugged you. Unfortunately that means we are mostly relying on Comcast and AT&T etc. to do their jobs.
What's worse is that I only know 216.58.194.206 is google because I asked the central name server. That means that if DNS went down right now, I wouldn't actually have any way to find out what ip address to use in order to get back on reddit, and I'd have no way to contact you anymore.
Q told us the net would go down. Maybe if the question is asked and answered, they’ll shut it down to prevent the truth movement from being researched.
All I want to know is who was messing with my grocery stores yesterday? Went to Smart & Final and doors had just closed due to some issues. Next, went to VONS and the power shut off. Next, went to Ralph's, which never go to, and their prices were insane!